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Fortunately, it is not you who makes the decidions.

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They are not clear to you, because, may be you are here, not for them.
Having sparred with you on different occasions, it is my opinion that you have your own agenda (clubbing Legal and Illegal immigration together, there by legitimizing Illegal immigration).
A lot of people might propose so many things here, but finally IV core is the decision making authority.
As members, we follow the guidelines of IV (the organization) and not the guidelines of any one individual.
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There is no misunderstanding there. I was just trying to clarify that each individual post in the forum need not reflect IVs position.
Sorry if my post was misleasing.
As for joining the state chapter, please give me some time to decide on how well I can fit in and be productive in a state chapter.


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Hi Luther - IV core does recognize State Chapter activities, these are carried out from core's directive though a lot of stuff is decided by the chapter members.

IV State chapter's primary activities include
(1) Spreading the message
(2) Meeting the lawmakers
(3) Conducting various events

Please join your State chapter and you will understand how things are
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Atleast I am where (IV) my heart is (Legal high skilled immigration).
You don't deserve anymore of my time.
So, go ahead continue with your blabber.

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Fortunately, it is not you who makes the decidions.
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There is no misunderstanding there. I was just trying to clarify that each individual post in the forum need not reflect IVs position.
Sorry if my post was misleasing.
As for joining the state chapter, please give me some time to decide on how well I can fit in and be productive in a state chapter.
U can use your skills in any possible way. Law maker meets, talking points, local events, flyer distributions etc...... so many things - anyone would qualify for the State Chapters - all you need is a willing to do something attitude

IVs strength is its members and all members must channelize their positive energy in the best possible way towards the cause. State chapter is a localized effort to mobilize people to channelize energies in the most productive manner
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Default Live and let live!

Folks we are getting too carried away with the illegals issue!

The fact is that, in general, while the Republicans oppose amnesty (or whatever) for illegals and think that we take away jobs, the Democrats (although they do think that the US economy needs people like us) don't want to do anything for us without also handling the illegal issue.

So, we have no support from any side. It may seem like it is good to associate ourselves with the illegals from this point. However, IV should neither oppose nor support the illegal issue: Even if it means fighting an uphill battle.

The reason is that IV was formed to fix the broken "Employment Based" immigration system. Again I stress on the words "Employment Based". It may be a narrow goal but that is all that IV is fighting for.

We cannot support the illegals because we are not illegals. If we do support the illegals, it will be because they are a larger group with more political might. That is just not right! As for opposing illegals-- why? They are people just like us. They do not harm us!

The illegal issue is something that the lawmakers have to decide. If they decide to forgive them then that will be their decision - it is their country. Along the same lines, if they decide that they do not want to help us with our issues then it is their choice and it is their right to make that decision. However, it is also our right to ask them for a solution - Not Demand but Request! Whether they listen to our request or not is their choice and their right.

My advice to everyone-

1. Forget the illegals issue (do not oppose and do not support - live and let live).

2. Do your part- join your local chapters, join the lobby team Meet your lawmakers, talk to them (Hopefully some will listen). Join any other activity that will help our cause or help us be heard.

3. Set yourself a time table - say that if there is nothing done by a certain date then I\we will leave.

4. If nothing is done by your time table. Leave! There are other destinations out there! How long can you live in limbo? If you did meet your lawmakers, at least you tried before giving up!

Remember if nothing is done during this session of congress, nothing will be done for another 2 years. So it is imperative that we meet the lawmakers ASAP.
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Atleast I am where (IV) my heart is (Legal high skilled immigration).
You don't deserve anymore of my time.
So, go ahead continue with your blabber.
Thanks for being such a caring, generous, and polite individual. Best of luck to you.
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I'm trying to "join MI chapter" for quite sometime now! After several futile attempts, the question remains - WHERE IS MI (MY) CHAPTER DUDE?

Being orphaned by the lack of a committed group, I may have to stick to following IV national level politics for the time being.
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I'm trying to "join MI chapter" for quite sometime now! After several futile attempts, the question remains - WHERE IS MI (MY) CHAPTER DUDE?

Being orphaned by the lack of a committed group, I may have to stick to following IV national level politics for the time being.
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It seems MI guy is MIA (missing in action)

We in Nor. Cal. can take you in if you feel left out.
Anyways, let me get back to you on this.
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IS IN ACTION AGAIN - NorCal IV can take any orphaned members
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Yes, finally caught up with work.

One of those memories are etched in my brains forever. The look of shock on your face when I requested you to escort one of the lawmakers at the reception dinner
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One of those memories are etched in my brains forever. The look of shock on your face when I requested you to escort one of the lawmakers at the reception dinner
man, I'm still catching up at work...
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Folks we are getting too carried away with the illegals issue!

The fact is that, in general, while the Republicans oppose amnesty (or whatever) for illegals and think that we take away jobs, the Democrats (although they do think that the US economy needs people like us) don't want to do anything for us without also handling the illegal issue.

So, we have no support from any side. It may seem like it is good to associate ourselves with the illegals from this point. However, IV should neither oppose nor support the illegal issue: Even if it means fighting an uphill battle.

The reason is that IV was formed to fix the broken "Employment Based" immigration system. Again I stress on the words "Employment Based". It may be a narrow goal but that is all that IV is fighting for.

We cannot support the illegals because we are not illegals. If we do support the illegals, it will be because they are a larger group with more political might. That is just not right! As for opposing illegals-- why? They are people just like us. They do not harm us!

The illegal issue is something that the lawmakers have to decide. If they decide to forgive them then that will be their decision - it is their country. Along the same lines, if they decide that they do not want to help us with our issues then it is their choice and it is their right to make that decision. However, it is also our right to ask them for a solution - Not Demand but Request! Whether they listen to our request or not is their choice and their right.

My advice to everyone-

1. Forget the illegals issue (do not oppose and do not support - live and let live).

2. Do your part- join your local chapters, join the lobby team Meet your lawmakers, talk to them (Hopefully some will listen). Join any other activity that will help our cause or help us be heard.

3. Set yourself a time table - say that if there is nothing done by a certain date then I\we will leave.

4. If nothing is done by your time table. Leave! There are other destinations out there! How long can you live in limbo? If you did meet your lawmakers, at least you tried before giving up!

Remember if nothing is done during this session of congress, nothing will be done for another 2 years. So it is imperative that we meet the lawmakers ASAP.
If this is IV's point of view then its really sad. Obviously IV's mission is to reform the EB system - and it makes sense to just stick to that given the resource constraints it faces and considering the nature of its members/participants. But to openly state that it's members 'forget' the illegals and neither support nor oppose them on top of deleting threads that may touch on that issue smacks of fascism! How a couple of threads discussing that harm IV's cause or burden its system is beyond me - it's plain silly. Was the rose campaign merely borrowed as a tactic with no faith otherwise in his ideals?
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I started the thread to make our forum readers on how stories make an impact and if there are any stories (not necessarily the ones that go on CNN top news), I want to get such news to our community's notice.

Few respondents did not read the news. The moment they read a hispanic name, they presumed that it must be illegal immigrant( or undocumented worker to be politically correct).

And with all due respects, one patriotic member started posting about joining state chapter. In what way my thread is related to that? And that spun a big argument about IV agenda.

IV State Chapter plan of action is not clear for me. I am one of the most eager IV volunteers. After the rally, I did not get any clarity on next steps. If there is lots of underground work happening, I really appreciate that. Now and then I am seeing few mails.

Gopal and Maccaca, thanks for some sensible replies.

All, please be cool when replying to others. It will keep the forums more conductive to ideas. Just because you are a longer visitor/ you are an active member, doesn't give any extra right to look down upon others/ reply harshly. There are always better ways to make IV forums more friendly/ inviting. This is a humble request to all seniors.

Again, my intention is not to hurt anyone/ to make myself a hero. On the contrary, I apologize in advance if I did this unintentionally.
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How will bringing down undocumented workers bring up our issues?
I don't think we should be opposing illegals in any way. Neither should we support them.

You have asked "How will bringing down undocumented workers bring up our issues?". But how is supporting them bring up our issues? And do they care about our issues? Did you find many illegals rallying along with us in DC on Sept 18th?

Now, many people in this forum thinks we should be supporting illegals due to humanitarian considerations. If you want to help marginalized humans, then donate some money to poor hungry people in India or Africa. Or send some money to the poor people in Mexico. After all, the living conditions in Mexico should be even worse than the situation of illegals living in America. Otherwise they would not have risked their lives and crossed the border illegally.

I am not trying to say, we should ask the legal status of a person before helping him/her in any way. But the illegals here as a group do not deserve our sympathy over poor people in our home countries.
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Well, vamsi, you are lucky your thread did not go into the great nowhere like the thread about a worker who lost his life's savings to US customs. That one was apparently very inappropriate to discuss - oh, horror, he was undocumented, and did not pay taxes. Like that justifies what happened to him... oh well, we'd better not talk about the elephant, or we will be taken down for acknowleging its existence.
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