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Old 04-28-2009, 02:26 PM
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Default BIG news: Arlen spector became democrat this morning. Democrats have 60 votes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090428/...specter_switch

Arlen spector became democrat this morning. With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats and one seat short of a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority. Sen. Spector led the Immigration Bill in 2006 and this is a good sign for upcoming bills from democrats. Democrat Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster. This news has lot of implications for our community and the success of pro-immigration efforts.


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WASHINGTON – Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania disclosed plans Tuesday to switch parties, a move intended to boost his chances of winning re-election next year that also will push Democrats within one seat of a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans," Specter said in a statement posted on a Web site devoted to Pennsylvania politics and confirmed by his office. Several Senate officials said a formal announcement was expected later in the day or Wednesday.

President Barack Obama called Specter almost immediately after he was informed of the decision to say the Democratic Party was "thrilled to have you," according to a White House official.

Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said secret talks that preceded his decision reached into the White House, involving both Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden, a longtime colleague in the Senate. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell as well as Democratic leaders in Congress also were involved, added the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details.

With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Democrat Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster.

Specter faced an extraordinarily difficult re-election challenge in his home state in 2010, having first to confront a challenge from his right in the Republican primary before pivoting to a general election campaign against a Democrat in a state that has trended increasingly Democratic in recent elections.

He has publicly acknowledged in recent months that in order to win a sixth term, he would need the support of thousands of Pennsylvania Republicans who sided with Obama in last fall's presidential election.

"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.

Asked by a reporter what he had to say to his constituents, Specter replied with a smile, "I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me."

In Pennsylvania, the chairman of the state Republican Party, Rob Gleason, said that Specter should offer a refund to Republicans who have helped fatten his war chest, which totaled $5.8 million at the end of 2008. "He should give them the option," Gleason said.

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said in a statement: "Some in the Republican Party are happy about this. I am not. Let's be honest: Senator Specter didn't leave the GOP based on principles of any kind. He left to further his personal political interests because he knew that he was going to lose a Republican primary due to his left-wing voting record. Republicans look forward to beating Sen. Specter in 2010, assuming the Democrats don't do it first."

Specter has long been one of the most durable politicians of either party in Pennsylvania. In recent years, he has battled Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymphatic system, but maintains a busy schedule that includes daily games of squash.

As one of the most senior Republicans in the Senate, Specter held powerful positions on the Judiciary and Appropriations committees. It was not clear how Democrats would calculate his seniority in assigning committee perches.

Specter has long been an independent Republican, and he proved it most recently when he became one of only three members of the GOP in Congress to vote for Obama's economic stimulus legislation.

As recently as late winter, he was asked by a reporter why he had not taken Democrats up on past offers to switch parties.

"Because I am a Republican," he said at the time.

"I welcome Sen. Specter and his moderate voice to our diverse caucus," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement.

A senior White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no announcement has yet been made, said at 10:25 a.m. EDT Tuesday President Barack Obama was handed a note while in the Oval Office during his daily economic briefing. The note said: "Specter is announcing he is changing parties." At 10:32, Obama reached Specter by phone and told him "you have my full support" and that the Democratic Party is "thrilled to have you."

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Associated Press Writers Julie Davis, Laurie Kellman and Liz Sidoti contributed to this story from Washington. Peter Jackson contributed from Harrisburg, Pa.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:38 PM
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He is a brave person fighting his health issue and also being an informed and active Senator. There should be more such people in the government.
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Dick Durbin is also a Dem. It is my understanding that Dems favor our friends from south here illegally while Reps favor none. We are in no man's land...
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Sorry for being critical here - but how is this going to help us? It is very rare that all 60 members take the same stance and vote the same way. Even for earlier bills, if i remember it correctly, there have always been ppl taking the stand against their party's and voting against our bills, and ofcourse, at the same time, ppl from the opposite party going against their party's stand and voting for us...
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:07 PM
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I know how this is a good thing for the Democrats in general, but is it really a good thing for US? I mean Sen Specter has always been pro-immigrant but as far as we have seen so far, the Obama administration has been **ANYTHING BUT helpful** to the Legal Immigration Community. Cases in point the bill to limit H1Bs, the No H1B TARP restriction etc. That being said, is this filibuster-proof move a good thing or a bad thing for us? The anti-H1B TARP measures were passed in the blink of an eye by a landslide majority. That, in general, tells me that we literally have no "real" friends in DC.
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This is all well and good. Sen. Spector has been a friend to the Immigrant community. He is pragmatic.
HOwever who will be the flag bearer on the Republican side for the "bipartisan" title. I don't think any party will do such a controversial issue without atleast some token bipartisanship.
McCain may do it, Graham may, but I see noone else. McCain will not want to be seen to be going back and forth too much. He may not lead the effort. He is also in a sense Post Political.
Also without some counter balance to the Democrats, will this not mean a lurch in legal immigration policy toward the Durbin/Menendez/Feinstein direction, they have not been particularly friendly to legal immigration from what I can tell. Will this just move everything toward a benefit to the illegals at the expense of everyone else?
All in all the political landscape has shifted dramatically in the last year in favor of CIR. However the economic and general protectionist climate has gone the other way. All this counterbalanced, I think we might see a stab at CIR this fall, and a better than evens shot at something going through. I am not sure what that will end up meaning for us. How ironic would it be that the Visa recapture provision which was held hostage to the legalisation debate for the past 4 yrs ends up being left out.
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Big NO NO for legal immigration - if they do get a fillibuster majority, USA is going to become a 3rd world country. These are socialist democrats who want to take our tax money and give it to the illegals, for food stamps and healthcare and schooling of their million-kids-a-year families.. This will flood America with Illegals. Very bad development for people who are sensible and really care about the USA more than just getting their GC.
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you sound just like the dems. the voices that differ with you, you want to shut it. vivek was right in his opinion. I too feel this is not going to help our cause in any way. the dems will keep iimigration as a burning issue without ever solving it. they just want to keep the support of the illegals for as long as possible. if you think they cared about the legals you are wrong. legals like us hardly register as a vote bank...and they don't really care if we contribute to the economy or not.
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Grow up pappu you've been doing this for years now. We have been watching all this drama in US congress for atleast 3 years now, until CIR is passed & signed(with relief for Legal immigrants in), nothing is news, everthing is "HOAX"...
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you sound just like the dems. the voices that differ with you, you want to shut it. vivek was right in his opinion. I too feel this is not going to help our cause in any way. the dems will keep iimigration as a burning issue without ever solving it. they just want to keep the support of the illegals for as long as possible. if you think they cared about the legals you are wrong. legals like us hardly register as a vote bank...and they don't really care if we contribute to the economy or not.
Well said, New Horizon. I agree with you and Vivek!
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Big NO NO for legal immigration - if they do get a fillibuster majority, USA is going to become a 3rd world country. These are socialist democrats who want to take our tax money and give it to the illegals, for food stamps and healthcare and schooling of their million-kids-a-year families.. This will flood America with Illegals. Very bad development for people who are sensible and really care about the USA more than just getting their GC.
Finally..Finally.....thank God somebody is thinking straight. THANKS dude Vivek...you are the man..for laying it out the way it is.
I have been saying this since long and I have been called a "racist" (imagine..me a desi racist..:-)), a capitalist pig and what not...
The Democrat party of today is a far cry from the Kennedy Democrats...these are radical Marxist-Leninist people, who what control over everything you do.
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