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Here are some examples of the type of logic you use:

A universal healthcare debate:
Person A: We should have universal healthcare.
Person B (senthil1): No, because only communists believe in universal healthcare and communist countries are typically poor, which we don't want to become.

Prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B(senthil1): No - any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.

Debate the real point, don't use red-herrings to distract and try to sound convincing.

No self-interest ? LOL. I have actually read your earliest posts on this site. Your posts started and then slowly transformed like this: Restrict new H1Bs, eliminate H1Bs given out to IBM, Accenture etc, BUT you supported provisions not to restrict consulting jobs when on H1B (as you were probably still on H1 in 2007), then you got your GC hence total restrictions on H1s, GC, EB etc. Nice. Very Nice.


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I also told that Indian government will try all possible ways to block the bill. But Indian government cannot do anything if the bill is passed and signed by President. They can do many things before that.

If the bill is passed the Indian companies will adjust themselves to hire more US citizens. But the bill is going no where atleast for now.
Boeing and nuclear Treaty are just examples I have mentioned and I know there are many things beyond that.

There is no self interest as I will not be impacted if GC is increased or H1b is increased. I also lost job in the economy but got a better job before the notice period ended. So I am well qualified and confident on my skills and I am not hesitant to change myself if needed.
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Default I agree

The relation of US with India now is not as strong as the Bush era. Bush was very close to india, and had seen india as a balancing factor for the rise of china.Since Obama took office, we are seeing a major shift towards china. As economist says, its G2 now, instead of G8 or G20.
The reason for the shift is mainly attributed to the increasing influence of china(both economic and military) around the world. Latin America and Africa are now close to china than never before. In Indian subcontinent , Chinese influence ( or arrogance as some call it) can be seen in the case of tibet,burma and Nepal. India is a powerful country with a lot of potential, but lately, we are moving away from bi-lateral relationships with several of these nations .Hopefully with the new administration and with capable people like Shashi Tharoor, India's relation with US and rest of the world will improve

As i see it, the TCS or azim premji or infosys has never raised their voice against the broken immigration system for EB category( or neither they will), which will benefit them by keeping their existing highly talented employees in US

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That is the immaturity that comes with inexperience for Mr Change.
Mr Change was smart enough to get advise from likes of Warren Buffet when he wanted to fix the economy. And it worked.

But when it came to his socialist agenda, he went by his instincts and old democratic line. I guess he will have to learn it the hard way.
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Here are some examples of the type of logic you use:

A universal healthcare debate:
Person A: We should have universal healthcare.
Person B (senthil1): No, because only communists believe in universal healthcare and communist countries are typically poor, which we don't want to become.

Prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B(senthil1): No - any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.

Debate the real point, don't use red-herrings to distract and try to sound convincing.

No self-interest ? LOL. I have actually read your earliest posts on this site. Your posts started and then slowly transformed like this: Restrict new H1Bs, eliminate H1Bs given out to IBM, Accenture etc, BUT you supported provisions not to restrict consulting jobs when on H1B (as you were probably still on H1 in 2007), then you got your GC hence total restrictions on H1s, GC, EB etc. Nice. Very Nice.

Oho....someone is busted!!!!!!!!.....
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ouch!!!
nice one, sleuth...

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Here are some examples of the type of logic you use:

A universal healthcare debate:
Person A: We should have universal healthcare.
Person B (senthil1): No, because only communists believe in universal healthcare and communist countries are typically poor, which we don't want to become.

Prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B(senthil1): No - any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.

Debate the real point, don't use red-herrings to distract and try to sound convincing.

No self-interest ? LOL. I have actually read your earliest posts on this site. Your posts started and then slowly transformed like this: Restrict new H1Bs, eliminate H1Bs given out to IBM, Accenture etc, BUT you supported provisions not to restrict consulting jobs when on H1B (as you were probably still on H1 in 2007), then you got your GC hence total restrictions on H1s, GC, EB etc. Nice. Very Nice.
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Senthil1 is trolling on IV for a few years now. He is an anti immigrant in disguise.
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What exactly is the status of the Durbin-Grassley bill. Is it scheduled for a Immigration subcommitee / Judiciary commmitee vote OR is there a hearing scheduled for it. The Senate Judicary calendar does not show anything.

I believe this bill was introduced in April. Has there been any new development on this bill - as it has got mention in businessweek and in infoweek in the last couple of days.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/
use keyword "Visa Reform Act", select Grassley and Durbin from senate members list and you will know what you want to know.

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What exactly is the status of the Durbin-Grassley bill. Is it scheduled for a Immigration subcommitee / Judiciary commmitee vote OR is there a hearing scheduled for it. The Senate Judicary calendar does not show anything.

I believe this bill was introduced in April. Has there been any new development on this bill - as it has got mention in businessweek and in infoweek in the last couple of days.
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What exactly is the status of the Durbin-Grassley bill. Is it scheduled for a Immigration subcommitee / Judiciary commmitee vote OR is there a hearing scheduled for it. The Senate Judicary calendar does not show anything.

I believe this bill was introduced in April. Has there been any new development on this bill - as it has got mention in businessweek and in infoweek in the last couple of days.
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Title: A bill to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for aliens working temporarily in the United States and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] (introduced 4/23/2009) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 4/23/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
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While I agree with Azim that "There is no way our government can take it lightly," says Premji. "It's a vital piece of the economy."

Sure US actions are Protectionist. It is no way a trade war.

His comment "Indian government would have no alternative but to strike back at the U.S. with costly and counterproductive trade sanctions of its own" is laughable.
I agree. Trying to counter with another negative approach only makes India no different. Instead should try to see ways by which India can take advantage of this situation by providing more friendlier business environment for MNC operations perticularly in software industry so corporates will consider increasing their involment there or even move their official headquaters to India. Just a thought.

Bottomline the spending happens here (USA) so we may not have all that control in this situation. But any negative approach like counterproductive trade sactions will only hurt us(India) more and should never be entertained.
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I agree. There will be more corporate lobbying than Indian govt. taking any adverse actions to cause a trade war. There will be a lot of empty threats though.

I wonder what the Indian corps. backup plan will be in case the 50-50 rule stays in. I'm assuming they will hire more citizens locally but will also increase the number of jobs being outsourced exponentially to stay profitable or maintain the same growth rate.
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History gives us some perspective on how this can play out....we need to refer the book "Estranged Democracies" to see how knee jerk reactions have played out in the past.

If the bill as stated is going to impact 25% of the indian economy there is no way any government in India can avoid a reaction. What is to be seen is how much the impact will really be if the bill is passed.

There is no harm in India positioning itself in at least notifying the US that what all measures are avaialable on the table to them in case they have to respond to something that will be seen primarily as an attack on 25% of its economy.

One measure the Indian government can take as of now looking at the current situation is put a freeze on letting any Indian student pursue education in the US for the forseeable future. The universities had howled on the OPT measure and gotten what they wanted. Indian students are a vital part of the economy and the prime source of talent in the univerities, research and industry(h1, GC) down the line.....even a 2 year freeze can send the message in money and patents lost down the line.

Extreme measures could be what happened to Coke and other US industries in India in the 60s.....but that was a different era and most probably the economy is going to recover in couple of months and the howling is going to stop soon.......

just my 2 cents.......
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History gives us some perspective on how this can play out....we need to refer the book "Estranged Democracies" to see how knee jerk reactions have played out in the past.

If the bill as stated is going to impact 25% of the indian economy there is no way any government in India can avoid a reaction. What is to be seen is how much the impact will really be if the bill is passed.

There is no harm in India positioning itself in at least notifying the US that what all measures are avaialable on the table to them in case they have to respond to something that will be seen primarily as an attack on 25% of its economy.

One measure the Indian government can take as of now looking at the current situation is put a freeze on letting any Indian student pursue education in the US for the forseeable future. The universities had howled on the OPT measure and gotten what they wanted. Indian students are a vital part of the economy and the prime source of talent in the univerities, research and industry(h1, GC) down the line.....even a 2 year freeze can send the message in money and patents lost down the line.

Extreme measures could be what happened to Coke and other US industries in India in the 60s.....but that was a different era and most probably the economy is going to recover in couple of months and the howling is going to stop soon.......

just my 2 cents.......

But what did the new generation did that they should be denied the option to pursue studies abroad? yes, we did get hurt. But do we need to hurt us more to prove the other side hurting hurts!?
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I agree. There will be more corporate lobbying than Indian govt. taking any adverse actions to cause a trade war. There will be a lot of empty threats though.

I wonder what the Indian corps. backup plan will be in case the 50-50 rule stays in. I'm assuming they will hire more citizens locally but will also increase the number of jobs being outsourced exponentially to stay profitable or maintain the same growth rate.
There will be demand for people on EAD/GC to get the numbers tally may be!!
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