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Default Sept Rally: What are we asking for?

Hello IV Core team.

I will be coming to rally coz I support IV.

However what exactly are we having this Rally for? The flower campaign had a definite meaning and a set of things we were asking for.

This time what are we asking for exactly? Are we going to ask for an increase in yearly quota? for removing per-country caps? for excluding dependants? all of the above?

I guess my question is, if a reporter asks one of us at the rally what is it for and what our demands are, we should all have the same answer. I have gone through all the pages of the rally related posts and I am still unclear on the EXACT motive for the rally at this juncture.

Please advice.

NOTE: I am NOT opposing the rally or pooh-poohing the idea. I just need a more clear definition of what we are asking for.
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Hello IV Core team.

I will be coming to rally coz I support IV.

However what exactly are we having this Rally for? The flower campaign had a definite meaning and a set of things we were asking for.

This time what are we asking for exactly? Are we going to ask for an increase in yearly quota? for removing per-country caps? for excluding dependants? all of the above?

I guess my question is, if a reporter asks one of us at the rally what is it for and what our demands are, we should all have the same answer. I have gone through all the pages of the rally related posts and I am still unclear on the EXACT motive for the rally at this juncture.

Please advice.

NOTE: I am NOT opposing the rally or pooh-poohing the idea. I just need a more clear definition of what we are asking for.
Though the bulletin was reversed, it does not solve our issues, we maybe in for more booby traps. The intent here is visibility. We are highly skilled workers and we do contribute. We have been invited here and are here because we have job offers and we must have a fair chance.

If we keep quiet and live in shadows, means we give up and fool ourselves and our careers.

The intent here is visibility and thats why numbers are important. The more we unite and have visibility the more it helps in lobbying efforts.
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The goal is simple: to End Retrogression
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I ahd put this in "rally discussion"...but no one bothered to responde. Since some has agan brouhgt up this topic i am pasting it with a hope that everyone will contribute...


Beat the iron when its hot..!!!!

Its a very good idea to have rally in Washington. I am sure someone /spokesperson could be asked to talk for TV news. whoever it is should be very clear in our demands and should communicate properly. I remember during flower campaign, someone was asked the reason behind sending flowers(don't want to say what he said). If i were him i would have said.."WE legal immigrants are being totally neglected while illegal immigrants have being given more importance( would have added more points on how we r contributing to US economy). We wanted to knock the doors of media and we thought this is one such good unique peaceful option. blah blah...".

All i could make out from the rally information is to demand for the recapturing of unused visa or come out with a new immigration rule for employement categories. Is this just enough....??? What about other issues like...

1. US degree holders having problems with getting H1B...??
2. What about the family based GC which is back logged for 5 years..???
3. Etc....

The bottom line of my post is..we need to come out with agenda before sep 13 so that we r clear in what we are asking. All though all demands may not be accepted/respected....we stand greater chance of expecting something working out when demands are more.

Any inputs...
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We need a more definitive goal and list of requests/demands dont we? Just ending retrogression is too broad and vague.
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1) Recapturing lost visas from past years
2) No per country cap for EB category GC
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4) Time line for FBI name check
and issues like BPEC, kids aging out.........
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Maybe we must wait to get it from the horse's mouth. But this is what I speculate.
IV corre along with patton Boggs have been instrumental in inflyencing law makers to add amendments to various bills like SKIL, STRIVE etc.. and are constaantly lobbying.

Rally helps us in getting visibility and helps in furthering ouyr cause. If we all sit at home and do small campaigns, offocurse we will be heard but in a smaller way, if we do sometthing big, our voice will be better heard and congress will start taking some interest and reintroduce these amendments

We have to keep trying, it is going to be a long battle before we can get atleast some relief.
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Janakp, no one has said we WONT give you green cards. Its a question of time. So if we are saying give us Green cards, there is no point in even holding a rally.
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Hello IV Core team.

I will be coming to rally coz I support IV.

However what exactly are we having this Rally for? The flower campaign had a definite meaning and a set of things we were asking for.

This time what are we asking for exactly? Are we going to ask for an increase in yearly quota? for removing per-country caps? for excluding dependants? all of the above?

I guess my question is, if a reporter asks one of us at the rally what is it for and what our demands are, we should all have the same answer. I have gone through all the pages of the rally related posts and I am still unclear on the EXACT motive for the rally at this juncture.

Please advice.

NOTE: I am NOT opposing the rally or pooh-poohing the idea. I just need a more clear definition of what we are asking for.
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1) Recapturing lost visas from past years
2) No per country cap for EB category GC
3) Not to include dependents in using visa numbers
4) Time line for FBI name check
and issues like BPEC, kids aging out.........
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eb3: You have a valid question and I like the idea about having a focussed message when talking with the media. We are working on that issue and drafting a talking point memo that condenses our message. On a more generic note, IV member, apb has rightly laid out the issues that need to be addressed for removal of visa retrogression and no IV member is stranger to those issues.
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eb3: You have a valid question and I like the idea about having a focussed message when talking with the media. We are working on that issue and drafting a talking point memo that condenses our message. On a more generic note, IV member, apb has rightly laid out the issues that need to be addressed for removal of visa retrogression and no IV member is stranger to those issues.

Thanks for the update gsc999. I am sure all the IV members will appreciate it. I know that WE as IV members know the issues, but my question was, What is the point that were are going to make at the rally? We need to send a very clear and succinct message to the people and lawmakers in such a way that they understand the exact problem.

For that purpose i am asking, what are we as IV members, asking for in this Rally?
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I think many of us go through these kind of tragedy. One of my friends got laid off last month and his employer did not give him the letter to file I-485. Now he is back to the line where he was way back in 2000. He has to start his whole immigration process all over again. This guy lost job twice just before he could adjust his status. He is in USA from over 10 years now and he holds nothing but a PD of 2002. There is nothing in US Immigration Law to protect folks like him. What a shame to the US Immigration system.

This may happen to many of us, not only on the job front, anywhere down the line, untill we get our Green Card. For example, what if USCIS reject our application at the end moment, or else what if USCIS deny our I-485 for a reason beyond our control; there are tons of reasons, our life is shaky until we get our green cards.

Would that be nice if we ask something to protect us just like AC 21? For several folks, even to get to the stage of AC21 is a big milestone. Is it not the time to ask congress to protect all H1-B holders who play by rules and who are here over 10 years, with something similar to AC21? When they can consider giving green cards for those undocumented who are here since only 2005, what we legals ask for; besides just play by the rules and stand in the line and leave everything at the mercy of the adjudicator?

There should be some protection for those who come under these unforeseen clutches of law, besides fighting for mere retrogression.



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We need a more definitive goal and list of requests/demands dont we? Just ending retrogression is too broad and vague.

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I think many of us go through these kind of tragedy. One of my friends got laid off last month and his employer did not give him the letter to file I-485. Now he is back to the line he was way back in 2000. He has to start the process all over again. This guy lost job twice just before he could adjust his status. He is in USA from over 10 years now and he holds nothing but a PD of 2002. What a shame to the US Immigration system.

This may happen to many of us, not only on the job front, anywhere down the line untill we get our Green Card. For example, what if USCIS reject our application at the end moment, or else what if USCIS deny our I-485 for a reason beyond our control, there are tons of reasons, our life is shaky until we get our gren cards.

Would that be nice if we ask something to protect us just like AC 21? For several folks, even to get to the stage of AC21 is a big milestone. Is it not the time to ask congress to protect all H1-B holder who play by rules and who are here over 10 years something similar to AC21? When they can consider giving green cards for those undocumented who are here since only 2005, what we legals ask for; besides just play by the rules and stand in the line and leave everything at the mercy of the adjudicator?

There should be some protection for those who come under these unforeseen clutches of law, besides fighting for mere retrogression.
Yup.
I spent several hours last night reading the SOP for I485 and related information. There are so many places where anything can go wrong in the application. Namechecks are another big blackhole. There is hardly one can do even to get status clear .Fingerprinting notices are taken every year. If for any reason you miss your first fingerprint notice and do not respond to second, your application can be denied. There is no way to find your status on that too.Your A# number can slightly match with someone. This may trigger a review and further delay the process. You can be called for an interview or asked for evidence at any stage.

So until you dont have a GC in hand, you have nothing. (or maybe just a receipt notice )

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Thanks for the update gsc999. I am sure all the IV members will appreciate it. I know that WE as IV members know the issues, but my question was, What is the point that were are going to make at the rally? We need to send a very clear and succinct message to the people and lawmakers in such a way that they understand the exact problem.

For that purpose i am asking, what are we as IV members, asking for in this Rally?
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IV is organizing the peaceful rally in Washington DC to ask the law makers to legislate and fix the system so that it works the way it was originally intended to work.

Why should legal immigrants, who play by the rules, suffer silently in a probationary limbo for 6 to 12 years.

If you think that this doesn't make sense than please tell us what would be a more focussed message in your opinion?
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