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Old 03-30-2009, 03:57 AM
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Hello everyone, this is my first post here I'm happy to see such a big immigration community here.

Little about me....I came to this country as a 13yr old kid on H4 visa. My parents had filed for employment based GC. Unfortunately, due to our application being sent to some backlog center and other visa delays, I turned 21 and just aged out in a matter of days. I do not qualify under CSPA even after age-freeze calculations. Ever since that, my life has become rough I had to save myself by switching to F1 visa and pay huge international fees to continue my Bachelors degree....next, who will hire a bachelors degree student with no experience + h1b sponsorship etc. What if I was say....a non-engineering student (like Social Science/Biology etc majors) where H1B jobs are very limited to none. Many aged-out kids can't even go back to their country as many of us have our family here and no one there. We have been raised here and have our life + friends are here. Many of us will be forced to apply for graduate programs and pay more international fees.

Anyways, I posted this thread to ask you guys to help me and other aged out kids.

For a couple years now, I have closely been following a bill called "Dream Act" which helps undocumented aliens who were brought here before the age of 16, to get permanent residency because they came here without their consent and are now leading a horrible life. The full text of this can be found here - http://immigration-law.com/Temporary%20II.html


The problem is that this bill is most likely meant for illegal immigrant children only but I don't know for sure because the bill does not state it directly. Couple of them on a different forum have told me that, us aged-out kids will qualify while couple other pointed out the phrase "inadmissible or deportable" in the text of the bill.

This bill finally got re-introduced this week and will soon get voted upon. I have been calling/emailing/faxing senators to help cover the legal students as well in this bill. I feel like I am fighting a loosing battle because there are only a few of us who are in this situation and we can't make a big noise like how other illegal immigrants do...I am sure there are a few other here who are in this situation or have kids who are about to age out or have already aged out. Others who are not in this situation probably understand our pain....so please help me in contacting our senators....It's a common and simple systematic process that a lot of people do when a bill is about to get voted on. Here is the list of senators and their contact addresses. http://dreamact.info/senators

Calling is the most effective method. But many of you will be hesitant to talk on the phone. Many of you wont have the time. In that case, please contact them through letters, email, or fax.

Send FAX online: http://americasvoiceonline.org/page/...ut/DaretoDream

Send Letter online: http://www.change.org/ideas/932/view..._the_dream_act


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Old 03-30-2009, 09:38 AM
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I am sorry to hear you aged out. I understand more than you think though as I am the parent of a child just like you. We have no idea what road he will be able to take and in which country.

The DREAM act will not cover you. I have checked and double checked the wording on the different versions. You and your family have done things legally and will get nothing from this legislation.

I also wish this forum would take note of this problem but do not hold your breath, I always get accused of hijacking things whenever aging out gets mentioned. Sadly I think there are just not enough families suffering for anyone to actually care, except those it affects.

My local senator is one of the co sponsors and I am attempting to get him to take my plight on board and realize that rewarding those who came here illegally and ignoring those who have followed the rules is simply morally wrong on so many levels.

Try contacting your local senators too and feel free to send me a private message via IV and maybe at least two families can be in touch and see what can be started.
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Old 03-30-2009, 09:57 AM
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Please dont loose hope. I know it is a very painful and troubling situation. Concenterate on your studies. I know other parents with kids having or about to face similar problem and I have tried to post about this issue few times in the last couple of days. Unfortunately the thread always drowns down amidst all the rest. I asume most of the visitors on this site are Indians and generally unless the issue directly pertains to me, I tend not to act/respond. Many, I am sure feel sad when they read your post but since it directly doesn't affect them, why would they take the trouble? I read a post about a guy with 3 kids who got his 485 denied after 9 years!! If that doesn't trouble you, then nothing else will. One response when I posted about this issue was "the situation of the ilegal kids is worse and needs to be addressed with more priority". When you see that kind of responses, all you can think is "may everybody be affected by the crisis whether it be aged out/back log/rejections/increased scrutiny/recession/depression or whatever, so that we all realize that only when we try to help others are we really helping ourselves". I have penned a few words by visiting the websites of various senators but let us hope others do to. Dream act if it is passed should also include the issue of legal kids who face aged out crisis!!!!
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:02 AM
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I just wanted to promise you that I will respond as you requested by sending fax/phoning later today. I will do it immediately after work time. Please continue putting out your position so that others respond too. Every body has a good heart and I am sure will realize your position and speak out for you. We all have the blood of the great Mahatma running in us. Dont worry IV will wake up for you.
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:49 AM
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I sincerely hope that this problem does eventually get noticed. I have no problem with the dream act but if you are going to give an almost free pass to the children of parents who came here illegally it seem seem plain fair to give the same opportunity to those who have followed the rules and stil got screwed.

The reaction you got on this forum is business as usual. As you rightly say if it does not benefit individuals they do not care. However, if the plight of the aged out kids could gain some momentum it would in turn highlight how long people have to wait and maybe the retrogression and backlogs could get some air time too.

Thank you for taking the time to submit your comments to senators etc. If enough people would do so I have to believe it could make a difference.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:00 AM
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Sent a fax, this is what I wrote:

Hello,

While I definitely support the DREAM ACT but I think it is not comprehensive enough to cover the plight of all children who are suffering because of their status in this country. I request you to please include children of legal immigrants in this bill. While their parents have done everything legally and are waiting for PR (which you may know is taking close to 10 years for some countries) for the family these poor children get aged out and have to get some status on their own to be legal in US or leave the country. I hope you would agree with me and include some provision in your bill to include these kids for their and USA's better future.
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This is a genuine cause.

It must be an easy/possible task for IV to take up this issue and add Legal Kids to the Act.

I do know some kids who are about to age out and this could be a great relief for them.

IV Core - Your opinions?
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[quote=indianabacklog;330731]I am sorry to hear you aged out. I understand more than you think though as I am the parent of a child just like you. We have no idea what road he will be able to take and in which country.

The DREAM act will not cover you. I have checked and double checked the wording on the different versions. You and your family have done things legally and will get nothing from this legislation.
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I had to move my son to Canada, fortunately, We had a PR Card and I could foresee this problem coming. He had lost 2 years of college education and fees because in Canada, they did not give him all the credits he earned here in US. My 2nd son is also getting there and he will be 21 in June 10. I am sure he should be fine as we have filed his I 485. I feel bad about all the kids going through this situation and will send the faxes as suggested today and hope for a positive outcome of this bill..

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I am sorry to hear you aged out. I understand more than you think though as I am the parent of a child just like you. We have no idea what road he will be able to take and in which country.

The DREAM act will not cover you. I have checked and double checked the wording on the different versions. You and your family have done things legally and will get nothing from this legislation.
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I had to move my son to Canada, fortunately, We had a PR Card and I could foresee this problem coming. He had lost 2 years of college education and fees because in Canada, they did not give him all the credits he earned here in US. My 2nd son is also getting there and he will be 21 in June 10. I am sure he should be fine as we have filed his I 485. I feel bad about all the kids going through this situation and will send the faxes as suggested today and hope for a positive outcome of this bill..

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Rameshvaid, you are right the Dream act (as it is now) will not cover the legal kids. However, what we are trying to do is raise awareness and get people to gather together in support for including a provision for the legal kids into the bill as an amendment. It could be anything like "also to include children who are beneficiaries of an EB based GC application and have been waiting for more than 5 years and have fullfilled all requirements that are stated for the illegally present kids to be considered for a GC".
But for that to happen, we need to get enough number of people here (particularly people like you who have experienced/ experiencing this problem) and then as a BIG GROUP take action.

Individually calling/faxing might/might not make any effect as Pappu mentioned.

Please let us first gather more people.

to all who post/visit this thread try to also make small comments (without disturbing the discussion) in other threads too about this issue. Not in genuinely serious issues but threads like "who will be the Next Indian PM, what will be CIR be like, What is May bulletin going to look like" etc. These are threads intended to release pent up frustation and primarily for chatting with other people. We could insert comments about this issue in those very politely (Never be rude!! please).
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Rameshvaid, you are right the Dream act (as it is now) will not cover the legal kids. However, what we are trying to do is raise awareness and get people to gather together in support for including a provision for the legal kids into the bill as an amendment. It could be anything like "also to include children who are beneficiaries of an EB based GC application and have been waiting for more than 5 years and have fullfilled all requirements that are stated for the illegally present kids to be considered for a GC".
But for that to happen, we need to get enough number of people here (particularly people like you who have experienced/ experiencing this problem) and then as a BIG GROUP take action.

Individually calling/faxing might/might not make any effect as Pappu mentioned.

Please let us first gather more people.

to all who post/visit this thread try to also make small comments (without disturbing the discussion) in other threads too about this issue. Not in genuinely serious issues but threads like "who will be the Next Indian PM, what will be CIR be like, What is May bulletin going to look like" etc. These are threads intended to release pent up frustation and primarily for chatting with other people. We could insert comments about this issue in those very politely (Never be rude!! please).
Count me in and let me know if I could be of any help any hsape and form..

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Count me in and let me know if I could be of any help any hsape and form..

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Thanks for the support. Slowly but surely the number is growing. Before we proceed we need clarification from seniors/core/experts who have dealt directly with EB issues, that our effort will not and is not in anyway contradicting / harming the general IV agenda. We are pretty sure that is not the case, particularly since we had some administrative level encouraging comments for this movement. Once we have this thread really energized and moving we can with mutual discussion and consultation with core decide upon the effective course to take. That might involve calling a particular senator or group of senators along with contacting media. This might involve donations (particularly to get core support to the max) from those of us who have not contributed much so far. Whatever the option, the initial goal is to get more of us into this thread and action NOW!!
LET THE EB KIDS CONCENTERATE ON STUDIES/SCHOOLING, WE THEIR BROTHERS/SISTERS/PARENTS WILL FIGHT FOR THEM.
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We are in touch with a local TV station in Indiana via a client of my husband's. We are hoping to have then run a short story in the very near future.

We are also personal friends with a state senator who we are hoping will point us in the right direction to get this message out.

On both fronts I will update as soon as I have any news.
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We are in touch with a local TV station in Indiana via a client of my husband's. We are hoping to have then run a short story in the very near future.

We are also personal friends with a state senator who we are hoping will point us in the right direction to get this message out.

On both fronts I will update as soon as I have any news.
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We are in touch with a local TV station in Indiana via a client of my husband's. We are hoping to have then run a short story in the very near future.

We are also personal friends with a state senator who we are hoping will point us in the right direction to get this message out.

On both fronts I will update as soon as I have any news.
It is wonderful to hear about your initiatives. Please also involve as many others who are experiencing the same / similar situation (for eg:- I_aged_out, Rego and others), while putting the story on the news and also while contacting the senator.
Or I would suggest I_aged_out, Rego and others contact their respective senators (only if you / IV suggests that they would be friendly and receptive to this argument). If not I would suggest contact nearby senators who would be helpful.
But when Indianabacklog contacts media/senator, if few others were also involved atleast on paper (Personal experiences with signatures) that might be helpful too. (just a suggestion).
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