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Old 04-03-2009, 05:54 PM
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Default White House says U.S. needs H-1B visas to avoid 'competitive disadvantage'

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Obama administration defends H-1B rule in lawsuit challenging 2008 Bush ruling on visas
By Patrick Thibodeau



April 3, 2009 (Computerworld) President Barack Obama has so far reversed a number of actions taken by President George W. Bush -- on embryonic stem cell research, species protection and medical research -- but his administration has so far shown no interest in reversing a Bush-approved rule that has drawn the ire of H-1B opponents.

The Bush administration's move to increase the amount of time foreign nationals with engineering, science and other technical degrees can work in the U.S. on student visas from one year to 29 months prompted a lawsuit that was filed last May by the Programmers Guild, the American Engineering Association Inc., Bright Future Jobs, and a number of technology workers.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Newark, N.J., argued that the ruling was in fact a backdoor increase in the cap on H-1B visas. The lower court rejected the case, which the group is now appealing before the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia.

In a filing with the appeals court late last month, the Obama administration offered a defense of the H-1B visa program while repeating many of the same arguments used by the Bush administration in defending the ruling in the initial case. "The inability of U.S. employers, particularly in the fields of science, technology, engineering and mathematics, to obtain H-1B status for highly skilled foreign students and foreign nonimmigrant workers has adversely affected the ability of U.S employers to recruit and retain skilled worker and creates a competitive disadvantage for U.S. companies," the government argued.

The filing is the first public statement by the Obama administration about the controversial H-1B visa program. "All we have seen from Obama about looking out for the interest of U.S. workers is talk -- [we're] still waiting for the change," said John Miano, founder of the Summit, N.J.-based Programmers Guild.

The Programmers Guild lawsuit contends that the student visa extension would exacerbate problems already created by the H-1B visa for U.S. workers in the science, technical and engineering fields -- including job losses and wage pressures through "a rule that creates more direct competitors for them by increasing the number of foreign workers" competing for jobs.

New Jersey U.S. District Court Judge Faith Hochberg, who heard the initial case, did not rule on the merits of the H-1B program, but instead argued that the opponents of the Bush action couldn't legally challenge the case because they weren't directly affected by the rule change. Oral arguments on the appeal may be heard as early as May.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, is arguing the case for the U.S. The new secretary of the DHS, former Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, has been a supporter of the H-1B visa.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:58 PM
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http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9131045


Obama administration defends H-1B rule in lawsuit challenging 2008 Bush ruling on visas
By Patrick Thibodeau



April 3, 2009 (Computerworld) President Barack Obama has so far reversed a number of actions taken by President George W. Bush -- on embryonic stem cell research, species protection and medical research -- but his administration has so far shown no interest in reversing a Bush-approved rule that has drawn the ire of H-1B opponents.

The Bush administration's move to increase the amount of time foreign nationals with engineering, science and other technical degrees can work in the U.S. on student visas from one year to 29 months prompted a lawsuit that was filed last May by the Programmers Guild, the American Engineering Association Inc., Bright Future Jobs, and a number of technology workers.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Newark, N.J., argued that the ruling was in fact a backdoor increase in the cap on H-1B visas. The lower court rejected the case, which the group is now appealing before the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia.

In a filing with the appeals court late last month, the Obama administration offered a defense of the H-1B visa program while repeating many of the same arguments used by the Bush administration in defending the ruling in the initial case. "The inability of U.S. employers, particularly in the fields of science, technology, engineering and mathematics, to obtain H-1B status for highly skilled foreign students and foreign nonimmigrant workers has adversely affected the ability of U.S employers to recruit and retain skilled worker and creates a competitive disadvantage for U.S. companies," the government argued.

The filing is the first public statement by the Obama administration about the controversial H-1B visa program. "All we have seen from Obama about looking out for the interest of U.S. workers is talk -- [we're] still waiting for the change," said John Miano, founder of the Summit, N.J.-based Programmers Guild.

The Programmers Guild lawsuit contends that the student visa extension would exacerbate problems already created by the H-1B visa for U.S. workers in the science, technical and engineering fields -- including job losses and wage pressures through "a rule that creates more direct competitors for them by increasing the number of foreign workers" competing for jobs.

New Jersey U.S. District Court Judge Faith Hochberg, who heard the initial case, did not rule on the merits of the H-1B program, but instead argued that the opponents of the Bush action couldn't legally challenge the case because they weren't directly affected by the rule change. Oral arguments on the appeal may be heard as early as May.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, is arguing the case for the U.S. The new secretary of the DHS, former Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, has been a supporter of the H-1B visa.
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Computer World response to my following reply post to above article

Wake up people!!! Remember you are employees..not employers..this is corporate america..capitalism..what you are asking for is socialism...
capitalists survive, innovate, evolve and become successful
socialists complain, look for help, want favoritism.
look at all the successful companies/people, they took charge of their life, fought against all odds and evolved with the world.
If you are looking to win against millions of indians/chinese/philippines or any other country where the wages are low, only way to success is evolve, learn skills others can not take from you..
globalisation will only stop when the wages across the world have no more differences, until then the same employers you work for will constantly be looking for ways to cut costs by shifting jobs

remember the same companies you work for do business with india/china and crush the competition there..ever heard of any indian/chinese/russian car?? american and european companies took over the automobile industry in these countries..and that is just one example..
globalisation can not be one-way...

outsourcing, cheap labor are all intrgral part of capitalism, companies look for competitive advantage

staying competitive and making yourself irreplacable will help you, peace and be positive!
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Old 04-04-2009, 09:58 AM
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yea..right they want H1B for competitive advantage...but they dont want these H1bs to get Green card..
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Computer World response to my following reply post to above article

Wake up people!!! Remember you are employees..not employers..this is corporate america..capitalism..what you are asking for is socialism...
capitalists survive, innovate, evolve and become successful
socialists complain, look for help, want favoritism.
look at all the successful companies/people, they took charge of their life, fought against all odds and evolved with the world.
If you are looking to win against millions of indians/chinese/philippines or any other country where the wages are low, only way to success is evolve, learn skills others can not take from you..
globalisation will only stop when the wages across the world have no more differences, until then the same employers you work for will constantly be looking for ways to cut costs by shifting jobs

remember the same companies you work for do business with india/china and crush the competition there..ever heard of any indian/chinese/russian car?? american and european companies took over the automobile industry in these countries..and that is just one example..
globalisation can not be one-way...

outsourcing, cheap labor are all intrgral part of capitalism, companies look for competitive advantage

staying competitive and making yourself irreplacable will help you, peace and be positive!
Capitalism? in America? If you have been observing whats going on in US, you would be surprised. AIG, BofA, Citi, GM...to name a few that went into protectionist covers of taxpayers. Heck, they were even generous enough to bailout a private company (Chrysler) with taxpayers' money. (Oh dont forget the new private-public partnership deal, where taxpayer takes biggest risk, to save some wagering banks). If there were true capitalism, these companies would have been asked to retire/file bankruptcy/deal with their problems. With the total bailouts approaching 7 trillion USD, US is now biggest socialist country - and guess what? All this was done without any voice/votes from citizens.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new law which would ban all H1/Immigration in near future, while providing amnesty to millions of illegals..

Oh btw, I would recommend everyone to read 'Capitalism' by Ayn Rand..

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Capitalism? in America? If you have been observing whats going on in US, you would be surprised. AIG, BofA, Citi, GM...to name a few that went into protectionist covers of taxpayers. Heck, they were even generous enough to bailout a private company (Chrysler) with taxpayers' money. (Oh dont forget the new private-public partnership deal, where taxpayer takes biggest risk, to save some wagering banks). If there were true capitalism, these companies would have been asked to retire/file bankruptcy/deal with their problems. With the total bailouts approaching 7 trillion USD, US is now biggest socialist country - and guess what? All this was done without any voice/votes from citizens.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new law which would ban all H1/Immigration in near future, while providing amnesty to millions of illegals..

Oh btw, I would recommend everyone to read 'Capitalism' by Ayn Rand..
Interesting link by Ayn Rand

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...m_buy_american

The patriotic advocates of buying American would be shocked to learn that the economic theory underlying their viewpoint is Marxism. In describing the influx of Japanese products and investment, they don't use the Marxist terminology of "imperialism" and "exploitation," but the basic idea is the same: capitalistic acts are destructive and free markets will impoverish you. It's the same anti-capitalist nonsense whether it is used by leftists to attack the United States for its commerce with Latin America or by supposed patriots to attack Japan for its commerce with the United States.
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Capitalism? in America? If you have been observing whats going on in US, you would be surprised. AIG, BofA, Citi, GM...to name a few that went into protectionist covers of taxpayers. Heck, they were even generous enough to bailout a private company (Chrysler) with taxpayers' money. (Oh dont forget the new private-public partnership deal, where taxpayer takes biggest risk, to save some wagering banks). If there were true capitalism, these companies would have been asked to retire/file bankruptcy/deal with their problems. With the total bailouts approaching 7 trillion USD, US is now biggest socialist country - and guess what? All this was done without any voice/votes from citizens.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new law which would ban all H1/Immigration in near future, while providing amnesty to millions of illegals..

Oh btw, I would recommend everyone to read 'Capitalism' by Ayn Rand..
Good one.

And to get the real feel of how the capitalism works read her another classic of all times.

The Fountain Head and The Atlas Shrugged.

Her quote from Atlas Shrugged on capitalism:

Capitalism demands the best of every man his rationality and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him.
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Good one.

And to get the real feel of how the capitalism works read her another classic of all times.

The Fountain Head and The Atlas Shrugged.

Her quote from Atlas Shrugged on capitalism:

Capitalism demands the best of every man – his rationality – and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him.
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I like Ayn Rand and they way she thinks when she writes. That is the extent of my affection: Books. In the real world, no matter which way you cut or slice or dice, all humans are NOT created equal. In an utopian Ayn Rand'ish world, 'self-governance' is one of the key elements. Where did it get us ? Look around the world, 'self-governance' aka greed, brought all the countries over the last many decades, to their knees.
When battle between, Communism (not socialism) Vs Capitalism was at its peak, Ayn Rand's message seemed to ring very well with the American Society. Times have changed. Communism has been almost wiped out. There is no real 'enemy' to capitalism but itself.

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Capitalism? in America? If you have been observing whats going on in US, you would be surprised. AIG, BofA, Citi, GM...to name a few that went into protectionist covers of taxpayers. .....
If there were true capitalism, these companies would have been asked to retire/file bankruptcy/deal with their problems.
The reason they have been bailed out: Nobody knows, including AIG, BOFA, CITI etc to extent of their exposure to bad loans. They have been dealing with castles in the air which have been valued on their balance sheets. The air castles have been mortgaged, loaned, re-mortgaged with 'special' sophisticated labels, multiple times. That is what self-governance/de-regulation has given us.
Failure of one of these players can cause a domino affect, will it really ? who knows, but do you want our leaders to take the risk?

If we lived in a small society, not a global village, with barter as the main trade mechanism then Ayn Rand's philosophies will work.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see a new law which would ban all H1/Immigration in near future, while providing amnesty to millions of illegals..
We need to hang on tight, make sure crazy bills are not passed which cause harm not only us to us but America as well. Populism will be at its peak in troubled times. Again, a strong platform for advocacy is the key.

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