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Old 09-10-2010, 01:00 PM
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Default All EB3 people should unite now and fight for the change in spill over

I heard many times in this form that USCIS consider EB1,2 or 3 as one category i.e EB then why EB3 dont get any share in spill over share its so unfairness in part of USCIS.

The spill over should go to oldest PD's rather than for one category in EB if the game is played fair. I think we all need to fight for this, I know i am not a leader or a best person to handle this job but i can be a good supporter if some one is willing to lead.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:09 PM
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Default Fight for bigger cause

EB3 has such a big back log that, it will take decade to clear after spill over, if it happens.
Better option would be Visa recapture, Not counting derivatives for visa numbers etc.

I think we can win if we stand togeter not by dividing ourself into 2 and 3 category.

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Old 09-10-2010, 01:33 PM
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I doubt it Amitdon. We will be fighting to get that recapture and family counting till 2014 and EB2 will be current and getting their GCs in 2014 and EB3 will be in 2003 some where.

Atleast fight not to bring in another July 2007. Fight not to make EB2 and EB3 ROW current until the backlog is cleared for EB3 or until USCIS really clears all EB2 till JUL 2007 as per the country quota limits.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:19 PM
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Please pardon me from interrupting but here is what i think.

I thinkThis year will be good for EB3.
With 700 per queter going to EB2I and EB2C, this means that EB2I will go only upto few months by Jul-2011 before the spill kicks IN.
Once the spill over kicks in EB2 will move by atmost Jul-2007 (as there are won't be any 485 filed for India / China post 2007. Even if they are it is unlikely that they will be processed in 1 or 2 months). So I expect EB3 to use most of the spill over this year.

CATCH is: IF USCIS allows filing of 485 before July-2011 (till May 2011) for POST all those who missed 2007 or had thier Labor -I140 approved after that, then the above doesn't hold true.

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WE NEED COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY is NUMBER RIGHT upto all the cases per country per month per category for:
485s (pending and approved)
140s (pending and approved)
any other suggestions.
We need these numbers becuase its our ******** life is at stake here.

Also I think USCIS is not being starightforwad to us on the usage and the numebrs relased earlier.
We need to check check how many cases are pending in Jan-02, Feb02 (monthwise for India EB3), the approvals does not indicate that
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:32 PM
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Question is can USCIS stop taking new applications in EB2 once the all the July filers are allocated GC's. I dont think so they need new green bills flowing and any way they have a EB3 slaves whom they can milk ever year for EAD and AP. This is going to be never ending story EB2 getting all the spill over and EB3 filers watching for some left overs.

Guys we will never get those left overs, unless we fight for our share and get it or wait in Que for 30 years. Any way my PD is may 1st 2002 and i should be getting my GC at some point this year or worst case early next years quota and all i want to do is support my brothers waiting in Q and getting frustrated like me.
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:36 PM
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Question is can USCIS stop taking new applications in EB2 once the all the July filers are allocated GC's. I dont think so they need new green bills flowing and any way they have a EB3 slaves whom they can milk ever year for EAD and AP. This is going to be never ending story EB2 getting all the spill over and EB3 filers watching for some left overs.

Guys we will never get those left overs, unless we fight for our share and get it or wait in Que for 30 years. Any way my PD is may 1st 2002 and i should be getting my GC at some point this year or worst case early next years quota and all i want to do is support my brothers waiting in Q and getting frustrated like me.
I doubt this ...EB 2 will keep moving ..But there is a chance that spill over goes to EB3 once EB2 Becomes current ..But it will still be very minimum....EB3 People try to port to EB2 thats the only hope for now ...
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:06 PM
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I am in for any movement here.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:35 PM
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Question is can USCIS stop taking new applications in EB2 once the all the July filers are allocated GC's. I dont think so they need new green bills flowing and any way they have a EB3 slaves whom they can milk ever year for EAD and AP. This is going to be never ending story EB2 getting all the spill over and EB3 filers watching for some left overs.

Guys we will never get those left overs, unless we fight for our share and get it or wait in Que for 30 years. Any way my PD is may 1st 2002 and i should be getting my GC at some point this year or worst case early next years quota and all i want to do is support my brothers waiting in Q and getting frustrated like me.
Why and whats the basis for this...because you are suffering?
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:55 PM
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Default Help folks in general

More appropriate help would be to go and tell as many newcomers as possible not to file in EB3. For folks who are really serious about getting GC, you have 2 options,

1. Reapply in EB2

2. Work actively and organize people for a legal reform.

Just venting and lip service in blogs don't get green cards to anyone.

Unless things really change a lot,

EB2 I/C are destined to clear the backlog till 2007 by end of this year, when it happens, DoS by law will advance the dates and accept more applications next year.

EB3 ROW will advance to middle of 2006 this year and by end of 2012 they will advance beyond July 2007. Most likely EB3 China, Mexico follow ROW. This would leave India and Philippines.

CIS has more clarity on the inventory now than ever. So another fiasco may not happen.

Your recommendations are not in-line with INA, So I consider this as just a lip service and nothing more.


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Question is can USCIS stop taking new applications in EB2 once the all the July filers are allocated GC's. I dont think so they need new green bills flowing and any way they have a EB3 slaves whom they can milk ever year for EAD and AP. This is going to be never ending story EB2 getting all the spill over and EB3 filers watching for some left overs.

Guys we will never get those left overs, unless we fight for our share and get it or wait in Que for 30 years. Any way my PD is may 1st 2002 and i should be getting my GC at some point this year or worst case early next years quota and all i want to do is support my brothers waiting in Q and getting frustrated like me.
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Old 09-10-2010, 08:01 PM
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How will EB3 will move to 2006 by the end of year? Man don't do a managerial talk, you guys are scared that if we come fore a share you will get delayed. every day i hear so much white trash i dont need any more from you. sorry if i sound harsh
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EB2 guys writing on this blog are with PD2008, this people are scared how will they understand our frustration, most of us came here between 1998-2001 and applied GC and waiting in line for 8-10 years and now this guys come in 2006 and apply for GC in 2008, 9 or 10 and lecturer us. how USCIS should work and why EB2 is is privilege club. what is this s...t
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:27 PM
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How will EB3 will move to 2006 by the end of year? Man don't do a managerial talk, you guys are scared that if we come fore a share you will get delayed. every day i hear so much white trash i dont need any more from you. sorry if i sound harsh
I guess by EB3 he meant EB3 ROW. They have about 44K pending till July 2007. So with their 30K Quota (42K- 4*2800) they will move to 2006.
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There is understandably a lot of frustration for EB-3 folks. But the idea cannot be and should not be to fight between who gets spillover (EB2 or EB3). Visa recapture is the way to go and we should concentrate all our energy there.

They will never treat EB2 equal to EB1 and EB3 equal to EB2. There is a reason why these categories exist, and EB1 gets the highest priority followed by EB2 and then followed by EB3.
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Yayayaya we will fight for Visa recapturing and EB2 current filers + Future files and super future files will benefit from that because they hold the priority over eb3.
Current 30/40K filers + 2007-2010 app 70 or 80K filers this is just India think about china, mexico ... so who will get those recaptured visas?????

We fought in 2007 along with you and who gets the 5 course meal now again you are asking to join you for the 7 course meal. EB3 guys you need to understand one thing "That you are not the solder who fight the battle and eb2 kings share the glory. The day when you guys become a kings then only you can expect a share",

For example we see this stuff every day in office you manager come and say like this "Guys this is very critical project we need you help we need to fight this battle together within time and budget so that our team (Me) will be recognized by sr.management then we will work hard day and night and complete the project in time within the budget and what will be get a thanks email for the manager and what will the manager get a promotion and fat bonus" guys wake up fight for your self at-least now so far we fought for others not any more
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EB3 has such a big back log that, it will take decade to clear after spill over, if it happens.
Better option would be Visa recapture, Not counting derivatives for visa numbers etc.

I think we can win if we stand togeter not by dividing ourself into 2 and 3 category.
EB2 - India / China was never current since July 2007 VB fiasco. So many EB2 folks from India / China with PD July 07 or later (some might be even from early '07 due to delay in labor) are waiting to file AOS. Once the date reaches '07, the demand for Visa could reduce and VB could become current for EB2, but there are too many EB2 I/C's waiting to file 485 and dates could immediately retrogress and the current status most likely is temporary, and if that happens, no Spill over to EB3. Looking at the data, EB2 I/C could never become current for some time though things were slow in '08, '09 and 2010, still there will be more people. If EB2 is not current for all categories, then no spill over to EB3 (all countries including India / China). Only option that would give a relief is to recapture unused #'s or increase Visa #'s, but these are very difficult and has to happen through congress. But also EB3 people waiting from 2002/2003 etc is painful, when new EB2 folks from recent past getting approved. We can argue, EB2 skill are higher, etc.. but only a few, a lot are through EB2 labor cert, and not always it is the job or the skill, but the Attorney's make it happen especially if one is working for a consulting company (which is now not that easy now). In general, for any relief or assist, it should reach out to the most affected, in this case EB3, but the world or system is not fair to all and EB3 - only time will tell - what will happen.

I have been following IV since the time, it was formed both as a Donor and also as a non-Donor member, since I an not a recurring contributor, IV is done a lot, with few successes, but due to few reasons, not much success in getting anything done through congress. Things will change, only through CIR, if at all it happens. Else one fine day, few years from now, EB3 people might start seeing some progress. The wait at the moment, seems infinite.....

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