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hil3182
07-13-2016, 06:47 PM
Details to follow.

Greenleaf
07-13-2016, 11:08 PM
Thanks much for the update. I look forward to the details and the call.

hil3182
07-14-2016, 12:01 PM
Call details are up (http://newsletters.getresponse.com/archive/ivnewsletter/325644805.html).


#CatchUp

Dear Friend,

The leadership team of Immigration Voice will share key updates and cover appropriate action items that need to be completed over the next few weeks.

If you or someone you know is impacted by the decades long green card backlogs, we encourage you to join this call.

Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016
Time: 4:00 PM EASTERN TIME

Dial-in: 712.770.4010
Code: 400533
-- OR --
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Code: 826780

RSVP at facebook.com/events/1114489048611413/


Thank you,
IV Core Team
Immigration Voice


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Limmig
07-17-2016, 07:05 PM
Hi,
This is a request to IV members- I could not participate in today's call due to some unavoidable reasons. Can a member please let me know what were the main discussion points? Thanks!

hil3182
07-17-2016, 09:52 PM
Hi,
This is a request to IV members- I could not participate in today's call due to some unavoidable reasons. Can a member please let me know what were the main discussion points? Thanks!

Hi Limming,

We will be putting out a newsletter in the next few days regarding upcoming action items.

That said, the main takeaway is the next 50 days Congress is out of session and it is considered a constituent service period. Your house rep is running for reelection and now is the best time to reach out to push for our agenda.

This fall will bring in an opportunity to get per-country done (either standalone or part of another bill) - but only IF we can add more sponsors for HR.213. All steps towards getting more sponsors for HR.213 is here (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)

The call was long (almost 2.5 hours) and many other things were covered including popular misconceptions in our community like petitions, Recapture (both legislatively and administratively), dependent exemption (both legislatively and administratively), possibility of lawsuits towards the administration and many other things.

Also, I-140 EAD doesn't look good. So, the long and short of it is we are left with a decent opportunity to get per-country done in either the September or lame-duck sessions of Congress, but everybody is going to have to step up and do their share (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)

Thanks for your interest and support.

Limmig
07-17-2016, 10:36 PM
Hi hil3182,
Thanks for the reply- much appreciated. I will get in touch with my state chapter of IV.

hil3182
07-18-2016, 11:18 AM
Hi hil3182,
Thanks for the reply- much appreciated. I will get in touch with my state chapter of IV.

Thank you for your maturity Limmig.

The hi-jacking of the I140-EAD rule is heartbreaking to us who spent so much time on this. I only joined IV a couple of years ago, but Aman and his generation of people have been pushing it since the last year of the Bush administration - around 2007. It got derailed when the economy tanked with the financial crisis.


But unfortunately, people on the web seem fixated on it. It is time to move on to what is possible in the next few months. If we stay fixated on things that are impossibilities (like I140-EAD through Executive Action in this Administration, Recapture/Dependent exemption both legislatively and administratively) - the backlog is so bad, we won't just spend decades in the backlog, we will actually die in it. H4-dependent children that are not citizens will also most likely die in the backlog.


I wish I were exaggerating, I am not.


For our efforts to be effective, we need the messaging to be very targeted and simple - that is why when you do meetings with your Representative's office, please just talk about per-country cap and the talking points mentioned in the guide we published (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide).


Also, please don't just join a State Chapter and wait for meetings to happen. Set up a meeting on your own and invite people to join you. Don't do a poll asking your fellow members in the State Chapter for when it is convenient (or what offices and so on) - if people are genuinely interested in getting out of this backlog, they will find a way to join you in your meeting. A lot of people think joining a State Chapter - in its-self helps. The reality is if you aren't doing meetings with lawmakers, joining a State Chapter is just as useless as signing a petition.

RandomizedPrecision
07-18-2016, 05:52 PM
I've been trying to convince some folks who follow me on Twitter to call their congressmen. Here is one conversation I got into with one person (who I'll keep anonymous) who continues to tweet about 140-EAD.

I'm just posting it here so that folks realize that we're becoming our own enemies here by letting our egos get into the mix. It is also evident how little we all know about the bill or general Legislative lobbying. So hopefully this will get some folks who are on the fence to jump in.

We should not be making it difficult for each other to have conversations over matters so important as this - No wonder IV takes the tone it takes because our community doesn't seem to be mature enough for a long grind (which this will take)

People who want to "Do it all" never bother to include Calling their Congressman in the "Doing it all" part.

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(((Me))) It doesn't look like the 140-EAD rule is going to be fixed. So, please spare some time and meet with your Congressman over the next few weeks asking for co-sponsorship for HR213. I met with mine already and it was incredibly easy to set up (just one phone call did it). Just focus on HR213 and that's it - it becomes quite a straightforward conversation. Please let me know if you already have the meeting and need talking points - I can send over some info. Time to take the matter in your own hands!
(((IV Skeptic))) Why not ask him/her to send a letter to USCIS supporting our points in RIN1615-AC05 and ask to release it for the immediate benefit for us
(((Me))) You could do that too. But chances are that the message will get muddled and what is likely will not even happen. Politics is all about horse-trading. So HR213 is the best shot. And typically you don't want to ask for anything that might sound controversial (like Admin Fixes) without knowing about the entire political jockeying your congressman\senator might be doing.

(((IV Skeptic))) There are so many people who dont want to wait for years to get HR213 out, its a very long process. we need to fight for this rule right now is what i think
((((Me)))) The rule is dead my friend. It won't happen - I'm pissed about it but that is the truth. HR213 has a real chance and if we can get more co-sponsors it will become the law by Dec.. much faster than any administrative fix.


(((IV Skeptic))) There won't be any laws passed until new president is in office, which is jan and then daca dapa is priority. how's dec timline possible?
((((Me)))) No one wants to wait for a single day more. Not just you. We need to realize the extent of the problem and place our bets on what has the best shot. The Admin fixes have been derailed. Legislative Fixes are our best shot. Please go talk to your Congressman. There is a whole lame duck session from Sep through Nov. This is where they pass all the must-pass Bills including Appropriations.. For once, trust someone else and spend some time talking to your Congressman. If I'm wrong you haven't lost anything but a few hours. There is a good chance that a bill like HR213 can be attached to some other must-pass Bill and it will hvae to be signed by Nov .. before Congress ends. So This is REALLY Possible. But we all have to stop moving in differnt directions and face the same side. I wouldn't spend so much time trying to convince you (a stranger on Twitter)if I didn't believe it was a possibility.

(((IV Skeptic))) We have to try for both, what's wrong in that? why should we choose one over the other? Leave no stone unturned. I will work on all possibilities. Agree?
((((Me)))) I would suggest otherwise. I have dealt with these public agencies and officials for a long time now. They will NOT give you their attention if you complicate the message. You have to pick ONE topic and stick to it. Trust me that is how it works. You will do all the hard work and then find out that nothing got done. The latino community is successful despite being illegals because they have a simple message... Don't break families apart. Our message HAS to be No Per Country Limits. Plain and Simple. It will Fix everything you want fixed. Most of these officials are not aware of the issue.. you will spend a lot of time educating them.. Trust me on that! So when you do that.. you want your messgae to be simple and not get into explaining what 140 is, admin fixes, USCIS etc. etc. HR213 is about first come first serve allocation of visas without discrimination based on country of birth. When you are dealing with a sophisticated machinery like American Politics.. "trying all options" can cause unseen damage.. You are better off turning only the cards you know are winners.

((((Me)))) Part of the problem with our community is that we just cannot come together on even simple ideas.. and are our own worst enemies. So we end up getting the treatment we really deserve. Everybody (lawyers, companies, politicains) exploit us for that. So, please please please.. Call your Congressman and setup some face time. Take your friends, family or just go alone and ask them to co-sponsor HR213. You will lose NOTHING by doing that..Ping me if you have any questions on what to talk, how to setup a meeting etc. Let's get this done!!!


(((IV Skeptic))) I did some research. The House is getting out in november, and also the president. If the regulation was not even introduced in almost two years, its very ambitious to even think they will introduce and pass it now by december. I think you are placing your hopes on the wrong thing here.
(((Me))) Alright. Feel free to sit on ur butt and do nothing. You're willing to place ur hopes on 140 EAD that ain't happening (you'll see in a few months) but not looking at the big picture. If you do some more research you'll see that most immigration bills have passed in lame duck sessions just like this one. If u are too lazy or scared to pick up the phone, call ur Congressman and fight for ur family and their rights then good luck to us all.


(((IV Skeptic))) look dude, this is the thing with you IV people, there is no sane discussion with you fellows. its either what they preach is final or others are sitting on butt. shut up and gtfo my face.
(((Me))) I'm not IV and I don't speak for them. But we're on the same side you and me - the issues that affect you affect me too. I never did anything until recently. But when I saw how systematically everything has been derailed and watered down (Visa Bulletin, 140-EAD) I thought to myself why not just meet with the Congressman. If IV is wrong I've just lost a few hours. But if they're right then I've done something for my own cause. So all I'm asking u to do is talk to ur Congressman about HR213.. you can still do anything else you want to do.. but also do this while your Congressman is in ur district. You'll not get that opportunity again after a few weeks. What do you have to lose?

(((IV Skeptic))) I will look into meeting people, i am not saying I won't.
(((IV Skeptic))) how many have you met?
(((IV Skeptic))) who are the important people?
(((IV Skeptic))) who will bring it to vote?
(((IV Skeptic))) how many cosponsors we need to make sure it comes to vote

(((Me))) Good. That's all I'm asking. Most folks never do anything other than tweeting and FBing.. if we have to do all of it.. we really have to do all of it. Not just the social media part. We have 69 already.. I think a 100+ will help. I've met with all of mine; It was incredibly easy.. I was surprised myself.


(((IV Skeptic))) what's your id on t.r.a.c.k.i.t.t
(((Me))) I'm not on t.r.a.c.k.i.t.t
(((IV Skeptic))) How come? Everyone is discussing many things there and giving each other support
((((Me))) It is really all speculation and no real action. I'm fed up of doing forums. I used to read those but all I ended up with is getting more frustrated and angry. So I decided to bother the fuck out of these politicians

(((IV Skeptic))) With hr213 how quick the backlog will be resolved and till then what is the short term relief. I am not arguing i am discussing
((((Me))) Take a read at the bill please - it is all very self explanatory.

(((IV Skeptic))) Have you done anything or want to do anything for EAD rule? or just given up based on IVs statement you are campaigning for it so you should already have read it, so asking. Its says remove country cap but whats you estimate to see benefits

((((Me))) I've done some: sent flowers, attended DhS calls, tweeted, commented, contributed 1000s of $s.. all that stuff but now I decided to do the one thing I never did - face to face conversations with politicians. U can continue to play hard to get and think you're smart by doing that or u can do some homework and we can have a real conversation. Making it hard for me and not calling it Congressman hurts all of us

(((IV Skeptic))) I will decide on what i need to do. thanks for the info. bye

((((Me))) Ok. Thanks. Good luck of u decide to talk to them. Feel free to ping if I can help anyway.

Limmig
07-19-2016, 08:45 AM
Hil3182-that makes sense. The guide is really useful- it's clear and concise and covers all bases.

hil3182
07-20-2016, 10:15 AM
I've been trying to convince some folks who follow me on Twitter to call their congressmen. Here is one conversation I got into with one person (who I'll keep anonymous) who continues to tweet about 140-EAD.
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Great post. I showed it to Aman and he agreed.

Most people don't understand - we aren't against I140-EAD - it is our idea. It just isn't possible right now.

In 2014, we were telling people that administrative Recapture and Dependent exemption is not possible under the law and I140-EAD is the only possibility - and we took a lot of abuse for it. [You can read more about it here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3096036-possible-administrative-fixes-filtering-facts-from-fiction-2.html). Note how we kept warning people about what lawyers and companies were doing behind the scenes - and no one took us seriously]. We know that administrative Recapture and Dependent exemption is not possible under the law, because we asked the administration and they told us. Getting a million signatures on a petition will not change this simple truth.

Unfortunately, our people will always be behind - when I140-EAD was possible, they wasted time talking about Recapture and Dependent exemption (which is a trap set by lawyers and employer groups - but that is a different story), when HR.213 is possible and I140-EAD has been totally derailed (by those same lawyers & employer groups) - people will fixate on tweeting and petitioning for I140-EAD (not that it is going to do any good - even if it were still possible).

Next year, people will be talking about per-country cap, but it will be too late.

We have a 50 day window to put pressure on Congress to get HR.213 done and end this nightmare. Instead people want to sign petitions, tweet about petitions, make video's and fliers about petitions (Is that the best way to spend your time - seriously?).

We are our own worst enemies here. Until our people learn to filter out the truth from the bullshit, we will all be stuck in this miserable backlog.

Please visit your Representative, nothing else matters. Schedule a meeting, join a state chapter (http://statechapters.immigrationvoice.org) and find someone to join you. It isn't rocket science, we have clear instructions (bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide) on how to do it.

bpk
07-21-2016, 01:45 AM
I am a follower of IV as well as this group which has started the petition.

We all know that this petition is something that may not yield any results. We also know that this HR.213 bill will not yield any results either. Because of the deadlock between republicans and democrats. That will not change.

We are trying our efforts here as well and there as well. Signing this petition does not take more than a minute, let us do that. And let us continue to try to contact our local representatives, and we will try to work on this front as well. Just because IV believes in their effort does not mean that they should not believe in their effort.

We will get more visibility, if not anything. Please sign.

Please sign there and fight here as well. Good luck!

RandomizedPrecision
07-21-2016, 02:10 AM
I am a follower of IV as well as this group which has started the petition.

We all know that this petition is something that may not yield any results. We also know that this HR.213 bill will not yield any results either. Because of the deadlock between republicans and democrats. That will not change.

We are trying our efforts here as well and there as well. Signing this petition does not take more than a minute, let us do that. And let us continue to try to contact our local representatives, and we will try to work on this front as well. Just because IV believes in their effort does not mean that they should not believe in their effort.

We will get more visibility, if not anything. Please sign.

Please sign there and fight here as well. Good luck!

Alas! Only if that were true. I bet that not a single soul from the 50k+ petition signers have placed a single phone call. Instead they are busy working on powerpoints, videos, images, strip-shows and poledances just to get people to sign up. In the time that it took you to write your comment above, you could have made 5 phone calls to your Congressmen but I bet you haven't done that and there is a good chance that you don't even know who your Congressman is!

Watch this if you really want to know why IV talks about real face to face advocacy vs petitions. https://t.co/Rl8KAF7gWK

Pay specific attention to the first minute and a half to see what exactly your petitioning and tweeting will accomplish. Also pay attention to where he says that real humanoid Congressmen make decisions based on how many god-damn calls they receive. Not based on a goddamn petition!

If you need more evidence, just click a little more and look at the Graveyard of "Successful" Petitions here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/responses#petitionswithupdates

Click on any of these and you will notice the boiler-plate bullshit that you get as a response. The results that you have are exactly proportional to the effort that you put in i.e. ZERO!

It is unfortunate that we all expect an easy fix to a problem that has been fermenting since decades now. It is NOT easy so any solution that you pick that looks easy isn't going to be effective.

Btw, Calling my Congressman's local and DC offices took me less time than typing this fucking note! So wake up and please do that too! Better yet if you can convince the 50k folks who signed the petition to do that, then we'd be having a vote on HR213 by September!

bpk
07-21-2016, 06:29 AM
I just woke up and saw this. So, you would rather crib about their pole dances, and not sign a simple petition, which would not even take 10 seconds. You would write here not to follow them and do your pole dances for 10 mins (I am just re-quoting you, as you mentioned that the fight for green cards and legal immigration is a pole dance), and not spend 10 seconds. You can talk all you want about your agenda, but don't discourage people from signing that petition. It will only take 10 seconds. At least it will get us the visibility, and keep calling your congressman and continue to follow up on our issues.

P. S.: Before you say that I am troll from there, let me assure you, that I am not. I just joined that group pretty recently, and I have posted more comments here, than I have posted over there.

Anyways, at the end of the day it is your call. And Good Luck!

RandomizedPrecision
07-21-2016, 09:24 AM
I just woke up and saw this. So, you would rather crib about their pole dances, and not sign a simple petition, which would not even take 10 seconds. You would write here not to follow them and do your pole dances for 10 mins (I am just re-quoting you, as you mentioned that the fight for green cards and legal immigration is a pole dance), and not spend 10 seconds. You can talk all you want about your agenda, but don't discourage people from signing that petition. It will only take 10 seconds. At least it will get us the visibility, and keep calling your congressman and continue to follow up on our issues.

P. S.: Before you say that I am troll from there, let me assure you, that I am not. I just joined that group pretty recently, and I have posted more comments here, than I have posted over there.

Anyways, at the end of the day it is your call. And Good Luck!

Nah. You haven't "woken up" yet. Coz if you had you'd have watched the video, looked at the Petition Graveyard, realized how futile those actions are and begun making those phone calls pronto like your livelihood depended on it (coz it really does)

Also, your comments or mine (or anyone else's) on this forum (or any other) are utterly useless. Lawmakers don't care how much commentary you (or I) have barfed up anywhere. They are motivated only by what they hear from their constituents.

I never understood the IV stand against petitions until recently. But when you see that thousands of so called "highly-skilled" individuals spending time on forums on useless blather, drawing up petitions and drumming up support for them while NONE of them will place a phone call to their Representative then you have to conclude that we're just idiots who tend to think that we've done our job by petitioning and tweeting about it. The reality is that there was zero impact of any of those actions!

Have you seen the undocumented launch petitions? Have you seen the NRA draw up petitions? Have you seen the Immigration Lawyers, Silicon Valley, FWD.us, US Chamber, Koch Brothers... or any fucking real advocacy group draw up petitions? The answer is a resounding NO - coz they are toothless and the responses you'll get (if you do get any) will be worthless.

So.. my friend...please, please, please with a cherry on top realize the futility of your actions before you ask more people to join the petition club. And if you are really one of those "Do it all" campers then please act as you say.. and Advocate for making Phone calls as well.. Rather have people make the phone calls first and then sign on whatever the heck you want to sign..

You can launch a petition anytime.. but we have just 50 days to convince Congressmen to co-sponsor the bill while they are in their districts on recess. Don't waste this time and please make those phone calls.

hil3182
07-21-2016, 10:12 AM
Made some corrections to your post:

We all know that this petition is something that WILL not yield any results. We also know that this HR.213 bill MAY not yield any results either. Because of the deadlock between republicans and democrats. That will not change.

We are not stupid. I don't want to get into details about why we think you are wrong, but we would not be wasting our lives flogging HR.213 if it had no chance. Similarly, we will spend time prevent 100,000's of others from wasting time on Petitions when they can be doing things to help instead.

RandomizedPrecision is spot-on in his criticism of this petition nonsense - including people pole-dancing to attract attention for a useless cause.

It would be much more valuable if people picked up the phone and made an appointment with their Rep's office.

Every signature on a petition is another nail in our collective coffin.

bpk
07-21-2016, 11:25 AM
Lol! Sure, good luck to all of us...

Rocket001
07-22-2016, 12:48 PM
Let me know if anybody is working in Jacksonville, Florida to get appointment with congress man for HR 213.

hil3182
07-22-2016, 01:31 PM
Let me know if anybody is working in Jacksonville, Florida to get appointment with congress man for HR 213.

Thanks for your interest. If you haven't already, I suggest you do the following:

Read the advocacy guide here (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)
Setup a meeting with your Rep
Join the appropriate state chapter (statechapters.immigrationvoice.org), create an event in the state chapter and invite the WHOLE chapter to the event - that way it will show up whenever someone logs into Facebook. Post meeting details in other forums & groups - including this one.
Do the meeting, by yourself if you have to.
Followup, followup, followup


We have seen so many times, people say "anyone from ..." And nothing happens after. The need for the hour is for leaders and not followers. Hope you can lead and make this meeting happen.

Rocket001
07-22-2016, 03:15 PM
Thank you. I will go through the details you provided and will work on as guided in details.

Rocket001
07-22-2016, 05:05 PM
Updates are below:
I called the congress man's local District Office to schedule a meeting with him. The staff told me to contact Washington, DC Office. I called Washington, DC Office and the staff gave me an email address who schedule meeting for congress man. He also asked me if I want to leave a voice message for the meeting scheduler. I left the voice message. I am gonna call meeting scheduler coming Monday and Tuesday and if I don't get hold on her then I will email her to schedule a meeting with congress man. So far I have 6 office co-worker who are willing to join with me meeting with the congress man.

Thanks again for providing the details.

hil3182
07-26-2016, 10:24 AM
Updates are below:
I called the congress man's local District Office to schedule a meeting with him. The staff told me to contact Washington, DC Office. I called Washington, DC Office and the staff gave me an email address who schedule meeting for congress man. He also asked me if I want to leave a voice message for the meeting scheduler. I left the voice message. I am gonna call meeting scheduler coming Monday and Tuesday and if I don't get hold on her then I will email her to schedule a meeting with congress man. So far I have 6 office co-worker who are willing to join with me meeting with the congress man.

Thanks again for providing the details.

Any luck getting the meeting with the Rep?

Rocket001
07-26-2016, 12:10 PM
I called them(DC office) yesterday to talk to meeting scheduler. They told me the meeting scheduler is in vacation and she will be back this week. I asked them if anyone is backup for her while she is in vacation but the answer was no. I will call them this Thursday and see if meeting scheduler is back from vacation if not then I will be calling next Monday.
I called the local office again but the answer was same DC office can only schedule the meeting.

bob4gc
07-26-2016, 09:39 PM
IV team,

At this critical juncture for HR213, I think a call each week to help and motivate people to talk/visit their congress person and also q&a with suggestions would be really appreciable.

amerineni
07-27-2016, 11:47 AM
Hi Limming,

We will be putting out a newsletter in the next few days regarding upcoming action items.

That said, the main takeaway is the next 50 days Congress is out of session and it is considered a constituent service period. Your house rep is running for reelection and now is the best time to reach out to push for our agenda.

This fall will bring in an opportunity to get per-country done (either standalone or part of another bill) - but only IF we can add more sponsors for HR.213. All steps towards getting more sponsors for HR.213 is here (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)

The call was long (almost 2.5 hours) and many other things were covered including popular misconceptions in our community like petitions, Recapture (both legislatively and administratively), dependent exemption (both legislatively and administratively), possibility of lawsuits towards the administration and many other things.

Also, I-140 EAD doesn't look good. So, the long and short of it is we are left with a decent opportunity to get per-country done in either the September or lame-duck sessions of Congress, but everybody is going to have to step up and do their share (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)

Thanks for your interest and support.


Hello, I was not able to attend both the meetings you guys scheduled in march and last month as well. I have few questions and i appreciate if you can answer them straight forward.

1) Why I-140 dosen't look good ? What happened to the lobbying effort?
2) Why are you guys focusing on HR213 now again? If you guys think this is the best way, why didn't you do this right from the beginning?
3) Why are you asking everyone to call the Reps? What can't you use the money collected to do the lobbying on HR213?
4) Do you guys really think making calls and sponsoring the bill will be enough? Just to remind you that many immigration bills turned down during voting.

I fell like you guys didn't figured out whom to approach or how to approach to get it done.
If anyone asks questions, you guys go offensive way. There is a reason why the political parties are not addressing these legal immigration issues. Unless someone way above in these parties decide, nothing will happen. Congress is not reacting on gun legislation where people are dying bcz of it. Our issues are nothing to them. Keep in mind that awareness is not the one that is stopping our immigration bills. Simply they don't want to do it.

Lot of people contribute lot of money thinking you guys know what you are doing. I am not against you and i believed you guys and contributed 600$ in January. After waiting six months, i am doubting my belief.

Please keep in mind that some people are taking these immigration efforts emotionally. Don't exaggerate the issues.

hil3182
07-27-2016, 12:11 PM
Hello, I was not able to attend both the meetings you guys scheduled in march and last month as well. I have few questions and i appreciate if you can answer them straight forward.

1) Why I-140 dosen't look good ? What happened to the lobbying effort?

We believe I140-EAD rule was hijacked by the top industry lobbyist. We don't think the rule can be fixed and there isn't enough time remaining in the Obama administration to start a new rule.


2) Why are you guys focusing on HR213 now again? If you guys think this is the best way, why didn't you do this right from the beginning?

We have always been working on HR213. We did two lobby days on HR213 and our members have been advocating for HR213 for the last year and a half. Do you think that the 69 co-sponsors on the bill happened by it's-self? Do you think it was easy to get those co-sponsors?

3) Why are you asking everyone to call the Reps?
To get HR.213 done in this session of congress. We aren't just asking people to call their Rep's we are asking people to make an effort and meet with their offices and ask for HR.213 co-sponsorship. If you are interested in pitching in, clear and concise instructions are here bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)

What can't you use the money collected to do the lobbying on HR213?
We will never be able to compete with the companies at a purely financial level. The money we raise in a year, is a small fraction of the money that changes hands at the dozens of fund-raisers that happen every day. We can however compete with our grass-roots. Companies are not paying for outcome (that is illegal), they are paying for face-time and access so they can convince lawmakers to view the world through the lenses of the companies needs.

As a constituent, you get the face-time and access for free. So we ask our members to use the access to appeal to the better nature of their Reps to educate them about how the true nature of the backlog, the harm it is causing US workers (because employers have come to prefer hiring backlogged workers) and the need for lawmakers to address the issue by passing HR.213.

When we feel the the payoff is justified we will spend money lobbying for HR.213, but as I said above, the primary tool for getting it done is the grass-roots.

4) Do you guys really think making calls and sponsoring the bill will be enough? Just to remind you that many immigration bills turned down during voting. yes, that is ultimately how things get done on the Hill.

Lot of people contribute lot of money thinking you guys know what you are doing. I am not against you and i believed you guys and contributed 600$ in January. After waiting six months, i am doubting my belief.

Please keep in mind that some people are taking these immigration efforts emotionally. Don't exaggerate the issues. Thank you for your support, but please remember that writing a check is the smallest part of solving this problem. Money is a critical ingredient of what we do, but our main strength is in our grassroots.

If you feel that you are being cheated, please you PM me your name and address, I will write you a $600 personal check.

Also, please make it a point to dial into our calls to understand our current thinking, the nature of what you are up against and what it will take to get out of it. As in real-life, things change and we have to adapt accordingly. During these calls we go in-depth into explaining the direction we are moving in.

freedom101
07-27-2016, 12:32 PM
Very well said Hill.

To me it looks like we ourselves are acting like our enemies.

Just imagine what will happen if we all unite together and fight it.

Let us all be together on this and do our part. Let us all call our respective reps and ask them to support HR213.

Freedom is not free, we have to fight for fit.

amerineni
07-27-2016, 12:49 PM
We believe I140-EAD rule was hijacked by the top industry lobbyist. We don't think the rule can be fixed and there isn't enough time remaining in the Obama administration to start a new rule.


We have always been working on HR213. We did two lobby days on HR213 and our members have been advocating for HR213 for the last year and a half. Do you think that the 69 co-sponsors on the bill happened by it's-self? Do you think it was easy to get those co-sponsors?


To get HR.213 done in this session of congress. We aren't just asking people to call their Rep's we are asking people to make an effort and meet with their offices and ask for HR.213 co-sponsorship. If you are interested in pitching in, clear and concise instructions are here bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide (http://bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide)


We will never be able to compete with the companies at a purely financial level. The money we raise in a year, is a small fraction of the money that changes hands at the dozens of fund-raisers that happen every day. We can however compete with our grass-roots. Companies are not paying for outcome (that is illegal), they are paying for face-time and access so they can convince lawmakers to view the world through the lenses of the companies needs.

As a constituent, you get the face-time and access for free. So we ask our members to use the access to appeal to the better nature of their Reps to educate them about how the true nature of the backlog, the harm it is causing US workers (because employers have come to prefer hiring backlogged workers) and the need for lawmakers to address the issue by passing HR.213.

When we feel the the payoff is justified we will spend money lobbying for HR.213, but as I said above, the primary tool for getting it done is the grass-roots.

yes, that is ultimately how things get done on the Hill.

Thank you for your support, but please remember that writing a check is the smallest part of solving this problem. Money is a critical ingredient of what we do, but our main strength is in our grassroots.

If you feel that you are being cheated, please you PM me your name and address, I will write you a $600 personal check.

Also, please make it a point to dial into our calls to understand our current thinking, the nature of what you are up against and what it will take to get out of it. As in real-life things change and we have to adapt accordingly. During these calls we go in-depth into explaining the direction we are moving in.

Thanks for the reply. I am reiterating that i am not against you guys and appreciate the efforts you guys are putting. My only concern is that we may need to figure out the right way to solve the problem instead of jumping here and there. For example you said that its hard to fix the existing draft rule is difficult to change where it is purely under President control who is in favor of us. If that is the case, how come in this small time frame a bill which is rejected before gets introduced into congress and pass both senate, house and then signed by obama. Making sense to you guys?

You are bragging about the 69 co sponsors. Most of them simply vote on party lines. If you convince the party or the key persons in the party, these reps don't matter. Plz think in that way.

We don't have number, we don't have money. All we have is smart people. Think twice and come up with a strategy. Plz start thinking differently, bcz we know that the way we are thinking from past decade didn't yield any results.

amerineni
07-27-2016, 12:51 PM
Very well said Hill.

To me it looks like we ourselves are acting like our enemies.

Just imagine what will happen if we all unite together and fight it.

Let us all be together on this and do our part. Let us all call our respective reps and ask them to support HR213.

Freedom is not free, we have to fight for fit.

Dude, person will not become a enemy if they question. Please change your thinking and try to understand what anyone is saying. I am waiting for EAD or GC from 9 years. I know the pain. Lets be smart, not stupid.

Rocket001
07-27-2016, 01:20 PM
Today I could talk to the meeting scheduler. She is back from vacation.
She asked me to email all of the details, purpose of the meeting and who are going to participate in the meeting. She said end of the month of august the congressman can meet with us but she also said she can not promise anything. She said we can meet with the local congressman staff too and let them know our agenda/issue and the staff can update congressman later. I insist her meeting with the congressman. I didn't say her we don't want to meet local congressman staff.

If you guys have any email template for the meeting Scheduler please provide to me.

Thank you

hil3182
07-27-2016, 02:58 PM
Today I could talk to the meeting scheduler. She is back from vacation.
She asked me to email all of the details, purpose of the meeting and who are going to participate in the meeting. She said end of the month of august the congressman can meet with us but she also said she can not promise anything. She said we can meet with the local congressman staff too and let them know our agenda/issue and the staff can update congressman later. I insist her meeting with the congressman. I didn't say her we don't want to meet local congressman staff.

If you guys have any email template for the meeting Scheduler please provide to me.

Thank you

Who is your Rep? Let me know, I will sen you an email you could use.

Rocket001
07-27-2016, 03:10 PM
My Rep is Ander Crenshaw.
He represents Florida’s Fourth Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives.

thankstooptx
07-27-2016, 03:53 PM
Admins/Senior Members, Is there any way to contact representative outside our district? The rep in my district is already a co-sponsor. I would like to reach out to Debbie Dingell
Democrat Michigan District 12. Any Ideas??

hil3182
07-27-2016, 04:07 PM
My Rep is Ander Crenshaw.
He represents Florida’s Fourth Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Notes:
1. You are asking the Congressman for his Leadership. Always remember that. He is the leader, you the follower. So always be humble. Also, don't ask him for "support" - that is the wrong terminology to use.
2. Attach the HR.213 summary sheet to the email. There is a link to the summary sheet in the guide at bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide


Dear xxxx,

Thank you for considering our request to meet with the Congressman.

We would like to meet the Congressman to ask for his co-sponsorship of HR.213 - The Fairness for Highly Skilled Immigrants Bill. The bill has already been co-sponsored by a diverse array of Republicans like Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Jason Chaffetz and Raul Labrador [Note for Democratic offices, do not use Republican's as flagship co-sponsors, instead say "The bill has already been co-sponsored by leaders on immigration like Zoe Lofgren and Luis Gutiérrez"].

The bill addresses a key issue facing both US workers and Guest workers in the US, and it does so without increasing immigration into the United States by a single Visa. Currently, over a million legal high-skilled immigrants already in the United States are facing decade long waits before we can become permanent Residents. During this wait for our Green Cards, we face numerous issues such as being unable to change jobs without risking our immigration status. Additionally, during these waits, employers have a lot of leverage over us because if they fire us, we have to uproot our families and leave the country.

This affects US workers, because bad employers have come to know about these issues we face and have come to prefer hiring candidates from backlogged countries over US Citizens - because they know that we will work for less and longer than a comparable US Citizen.

The root cause of this issue is the per-country cap on employment based Green-Cards. Our country of birth isn't a factor when applying for the work visa's that lead to Employment based green cards (like J visa's for Doctors and H or L visa's for highly skilled professionals), but when it comes time to transition from the same work visa's to get an Employment based Green Card, the law requires us to wait 50-70 years for our Green Cards - solely for being born in the wrong country. This bill we are asking the Congressmen to co-sponsor, is a minor technical fix that essentially eliminates the subtle disconnect between requirements behind employment visa's and employment based Green Cards by removing the per-country cap on Employment Based Green Cards.

The net effect of this bill will be that people like me will be able to transition to Green Cards in 3-5 years instead of the current 50-70 years. The reduction in the wait times will dramatically reduce the potential for employer abuse of immigrant workers and the consequential discrimination against American's in the job market.

Over the years, Congress has made several attempts to fix this issue, the last one being an identical bill - HR.3012 in the 112th Congress which passed the House 389-15 (including the Congressman's vote) - before getting stuck in the Senate. We believe with the Congressman's leadership, getting this bill done is possible in this session of Congress.

I have attached details of the current bill (HR.213) to this email. I hope we get an opportunity to present the issue to the Congressman to ask him for his leadership and co-sponsorship in resolving this issue.

Best,
Your Name
Immigration Voice - FL Chapter.
Your Phone Number
Your Email address

stuckinline
07-27-2016, 04:29 PM
Admins/Senior Members, Is there any way to contact representative outside our district? The rep in my district is already a co-sponsor. I would like to reach out to Debbie Dingell
Democrat Michigan District 12. Any Ideas??

Try to find someone in the District. You could always look up apartment buildings and have an address from over there ready and memorized.

I have done 2 or 3 meetings this year and In my experience, they usually don't ask for anything. If you physically show up for a meeting, they assume you are in the district.

Rocket001
07-29-2016, 09:37 AM
Thank you Hill for the email draft.
Wednesday I had sent email to the Congressman's meeting scheduler.
Today morning I called her and asked if she has gotten my email.
She confirmed she got the email and she also said I am on the list. She said she will reply me as soon as she get Congressman time.
I hope we will get some time soon to meet with the Congressman.
I will keep you posted.


Notes:
1. You are asking the Congressman for his Leadership. Always remember that. He is the leader, you the follower. So always be humble. Also, don't ask him for "support" - that is the wrong terminology to use.
2. Attach the HR.213 summary sheet to the email. There is a link to the summary sheet in the guide at bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide


Dear xxxx,

Thank you for considering our request to meet with the Congressman.

We would like to meet the Congressman to ask for his co-sponsorship of HR.213 - The Fairness for Highly Skilled Immigrants Bill. The bill has already been co-sponsored by a diverse array of Republicans like Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Jason Chaffetz and Raul Labrador [Note for Democratic offices, do not use Republican's as flagship co-sponsors, instead say "The bill has already been co-sponsored by leaders on immigration like Zoe Lofgren and Luis Gutiérrez"].

The bill addresses a key issue facing both US workers and Guest workers in the US, and it does so without increasing immigration into the United States by a single Visa. Currently, over a million legal high-skilled immigrants already in the United States are facing decade long waits before we can become permanent Residents. During this wait for our Green Cards, we face numerous issues such as being unable to change jobs without risking our immigration status. Additionally, during these waits, employers have a lot of leverage over us because if they fire us, we have to uproot our families and leave the country.

This affects US workers, because bad employers have come to know about these issues we face and have come to prefer hiring candidates from backlogged countries over US Citizens - because they know that we will work for less and longer than a comparable US Citizen.

The root cause of this issue is the per-country cap on employment based Green-Cards. Our country of birth isn't a factor when applying for the work visa's that lead to Employment based green cards (like J visa's for Doctors and H or L visa's for highly skilled professionals), but when it comes time to transition from the same work visa's to get an Employment based Green Card, the law requires us to wait 50-70 years for our Green Cards - solely for being born in the wrong country. This bill we are asking the Congressmen to co-sponsor, is a minor technical fix that essentially eliminates the subtle disconnect between requirements behind employment visa's and employment based Green Cards by removing the per-country cap on Employment Based Green Cards.

The net effect of this bill will be that people like me will be able to transition to Green Cards in 3-5 years instead of the current 50-70 years. The reduction in the wait times will dramatically reduce the potential for employer abuse of immigrant workers and the consequential discrimination against American's in the job market.

Over the years, Congress has made several attempts to fix this issue, the last one being an identical bill - HR.3012 in the 112th Congress which passed the House 389-15 (including the Congressman's vote) - before getting stuck in the Senate. We believe with the Congressman's leadership, getting this bill done is possible in this session of Congress.

I have attached details of the current bill (HR.213) to this email. I hope we get an opportunity to present the issue to the Congressman to ask him for his leadership and co-sponsorship in resolving this issue.

Best,
Your Name
Immigration Voice - FL Chapter.
Your Phone Number
Your Email address

advik20
07-29-2016, 10:28 PM
Notes:
1. You are asking the Congressman for his Leadership. Always remember that. He is the leader, you the follower. So always be humble. Also, don't ask him for "support" - that is the wrong terminology to use.
2. Attach the HR.213 summary sheet to the email. There is a link to the summary sheet in the guide at bit.ly/iv-advocacy-guide


Dear xxxx,

Thank you for considering our request to meet with the Congressman.

We would like to meet the Congressman to ask for his co-sponsorship of HR.213 - The Fairness for Highly Skilled Immigrants Bill. The bill has already been co-sponsored by a diverse array of Republicans like Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Jason Chaffetz and Raul Labrador [Note for Democratic offices, do not use Republican's as flagship co-sponsors, instead say "The bill has already been co-sponsored by leaders on immigration like Zoe Lofgren and Luis Gutiérrez"].

The bill addresses a key issue facing both US workers and Guest workers in the US, and it does so without increasing immigration into the United States by a single Visa. Currently, over a million legal high-skilled immigrants already in the United States are facing decade long waits before we can become permanent Residents. During this wait for our Green Cards, we face numerous issues such as being unable to change jobs without risking our immigration status. Additionally, during these waits, employers have a lot of leverage over us because if they fire us, we have to uproot our families and leave the country.

This affects US workers, because bad employers have come to know about these issues we face and have come to prefer hiring candidates from backlogged countries over US Citizens - because they know that we will work for less and longer than a comparable US Citizen.

The root cause of this issue is the per-country cap on employment based Green-Cards. Our country of birth isn't a factor when applying for the work visa's that lead to Employment based green cards (like J visa's for Doctors and H or L visa's for highly skilled professionals), but when it comes time to transition from the same work visa's to get an Employment based Green Card, the law requires us to wait 50-70 years for our Green Cards - solely for being born in the wrong country. This bill we are asking the Congressmen to co-sponsor, is a minor technical fix that essentially eliminates the subtle disconnect between requirements behind employment visa's and employment based Green Cards by removing the per-country cap on Employment Based Green Cards.

The net effect of this bill will be that people like me will be able to transition to Green Cards in 3-5 years instead of the current 50-70 years. The reduction in the wait times will dramatically reduce the potential for employer abuse of immigrant workers and the consequential discrimination against American's in the job market.

Over the years, Congress has made several attempts to fix this issue, the last one being an identical bill - HR.3012 in the 112th Congress which passed the House 389-15 (including the Congressman's vote) - before getting stuck in the Senate. We believe with the Congressman's leadership, getting this bill done is possible in this session of Congress.

I have attached details of the current bill (HR.213) to this email. I hope we get an opportunity to present the issue to the Congressman to ask him for his leadership and co-sponsorship in resolving this issue.

Best,
Your Name
Immigration Voice - FL Chapter.
Your Phone Number
Your Email address

I have sent this to my Rep Tom Rooney

Have left a message requesting a meeting.

Dumb question how will increasing per cap limit to 15% instead on 7% help us?

hil3182
07-29-2016, 10:53 PM
I have sent this to my Rep Tom Rooney

Have left a message requesting a meeting.

Dumb question how will increasing per cap limit to 15% instead on 7% help us?

Long answer is here (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_Summary.pdf). You should read it backwards and forwards if you are going to be advocating for the bill since it might come up.

Short answer is it will halve the time for FB immigrants with the longest backlog (D's like this, so you might want to bring it up in a D meeting).

There is other stuff - like CSPA provisions in the bill that you need to bone up on. It should all be in the summary (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_Summary.pdf).

hil3182
07-29-2016, 11:05 PM
One thing I forgot to mention. These long emails I am writing for you guys should only be used when the staffer asks for more detail.

If the form/staffer asks you why you want to meet, try to keep it high level. Something like, "seeking the Rep's leadership and co-sponsorship on a bill that affects many of his constituents". If they reply with "ok, send me the details" - only then send them the long detailed emails.

Don't just blast them with long detailed emails out of no-where. 99% of the time they will go unread.

Many people make the mistake, but in hindsight - when you think about it, the course of action I suggest above makes sense.

advik20
07-29-2016, 11:08 PM
Long answer is here (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_Summary.pdf). You should read it backwards and forwards if you are going to be advocating for the bill since it might come up.

Short answer is it will halve the time for FB immigrants with the longest backlog (D's like this, so you might want to bring it up in a D meeting).

There is other stuff - like CSPA provisions in the bill that you need to bone up on. It should all be in the summary (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_Summary.pdf).

its clear now

however one more quick Q 2015 is over so will it be effective 2016?

hil3182
07-29-2016, 11:10 PM
its clear now

however one more quick Q 2015 is over so will it be effective 2016?

Most probably yes (unless they are sloppy and bill goes through with the drafting error).

advik20
07-29-2016, 11:22 PM
Most probably yes (unless they are sloppy and bill goes through with the drafting error).
Thanks for taking the LEAD

lets put in everything we have to get this DONE!!

hil3182
08-01-2016, 01:33 PM
We released excerpts (https://soundcloud.com/immivoice/sets/ivcalljuly2016) of the July 17th call.

Hope people find it informative and decide to meet with their Rep to get HR.213 done. Instructions on how to do so are here (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_District_Advocacy_Guide_House_Edition.pdf).

nid15
08-02-2016, 09:04 AM
Last time when I had called Frank Pauline (D-NJ) office for visa bulletin, the first thing they asked me was if I was affected by the roll back and based on my answer routed me to a different person. Any advice if that comes up again. Obviously I am affected.

hil3182
08-02-2016, 09:36 AM
Last time when I had called Frank Pauline (D-NJ) office for visa bulletin, the first thing they asked me was if I was affected by the roll back and based on my answer routed me to a different person. Any advice if that comes up again. Obviously I am affected.

If it comes up - thank him for the interest in the subject and gently tell him you are calling to talk to him about HR.213.

Whenever you talk to these people, you want to ask for one thing and one thing only. If you ask for more than one thing - you will get nothing.

hil3182
08-02-2016, 09:57 AM
Last time when I had called Frank Pauline (D-NJ) office for visa bulletin, the first thing they asked me was if I was affected by the roll back and based on my answer routed me to a different person. Any advice if that comes up again. Obviously I am affected.

Thought I should add, when you call, say that you are calling about an immigration policy issue - that way you will always be routed correctly.

stuckinline
08-02-2016, 10:03 AM
There is a good place to find townhalls (https://www.numbersusa.com/pages/2016-summer-recess-map) :D.

Bhishma
08-02-2016, 12:50 PM
Town Hall Do’s and Don’ts (from Legistorm.com)

Before the Town Hall---

Do a little research on your member of Congress. Know their personal background and history. Pay special attention to that Member's stance on the topic or issue you want to discuss. Research the district staff at LegiStorm.com to know who you might get a chance to meet.
Organize your argument. Have a general idea of what you want to say during the town hall. Use stats, facts, and examples to beef up your argument.
If possible, go in a group. There's power in numbers. It will be harder for a member of Congress to ignore a unified and vocal group of people. Make sure that every member of your group is prepared.

During the Town Hall---
Do's

Do show up early.
Do be polite and respectful to your member of Congress and to fellow attendees.
Do find and talk to staff members. At in-person town halls, they will always be there. Introduce yourself, talk to them, tell them your story.
Do find and talk to the media covering the event. Broadcast your message.
Do be aware of the town hall's format. Pay attention to how much time you are allotted to speak.
Do be passionate about what you are discussing.
Do tell a personal story to connect emotionally with the member of Congress.
Do use specific numbers and facts. Opinions are only as strong as their factual underpinnings.
Do bring written copies of your statement as well as business cards to leave with staff members.
Do introduce yourself before asking your question.

Don'ts

Don’t fail to show up if this is a scheduled one-on-one meeting. Provide prior notification if you are running late.
Don’t interrupt the member of Congress, staff member, or audience member when they are speaking.
Don’t be discouraged if the Congress member disagrees with you.
Don’t underestimate your importance. As an informed voter, you have the power to influence your member of Congress as well as others in your community.
Don’t make your message confusing by trying to say too much at once. This is where preparation—knowing what you will say beforehand—helps immensely.
Don’t expect to be heard if you are not a constituent. Members don’t want outsiders taking advantage of their town halls. If you are an outside organizer, get one of your local members to talk.

After the Town Hall---

Follow up. Send a thank-you note, e-mail or phone call to the member’s office. If you were able to connect with a staffer, follow-up with them specifically.
Follow through on any promise you made to the member of Congress or staff.
Be consistent and persistent. Keep showing up to town hall meetings and contacting the member's offices.

hil3182
08-03-2016, 12:38 PM
So, some IV people and I were talking today about some of what we consider to be company "front organizations" - FWD, Partnership for a New American Economy - those guys. We were wondering, what it would take for these people to prioritize our issues over more H1?

The best answer we came up with, is we think they will switch their focus to our issues, when things get so bad, that people will not want to come here on H1's - which will most likely be long after we are dead.


People don't seem to understand the seriousness of the situation - they are signing petitions, making videos about petitions, tweeting about petitions, tweeting about videos about petitions, writing blog posts, tweeting about blog posts, tweeting about writing blog posts - in short doing everything except the one thing that will get them out of this mess - which is to do meetings. Doing meetings is harder than all the online "echo chamber" activity - but honestly its not that hard.


In the last 2 weeks, I have been very busy. I have been driving around and have met 3 Rep's - we got new 1 co-sponsorship in my state thanks to the hard-work of a guy who is driving his 9 month pregnant wife 1+ hours for these meetings. A guy in my state Chapter drove all the way to DC from CT to meet the immigration staffer in his District. So far, I have spent around 12 hours, just driving to these things. I am going to meet another one on Saturday morning. I see all these people joining our state chapters and not doing meetings. What is the point in joining a state chapter and not doing meetings? If your Rep hasn't co-sponsored and someone has asked before, it doesn't matter - ask again. Every-time someone from the District join's a State Chapter or decides they have had enough and wants to do something, they should just go meet their Rep's office - regardless of if the Rep has been asked before. Keep asking until they see reason and co-sponsor.

Instead, I see people join and say "anybody from ...", "any event in ...", "...I am free to join..." - and that's the last you hear from them. Do meetings. If you join a state chapter, please do so with the intention to lead. You are most likely the only person - or one of the very few people - in your district who is motivated enough to do something about this issue. If you come in, come in with the mentality that you are a leader, you want to take charge of your destiny and do what ever is necessary to make meetings happen. I honestly believe, that this problem will not be solved until a critical mass of people understand what I am saying. The only way to truly "understand" what I am saying is to experience it. It is very easy to examine leadership in the abstract - but actually doing it is an entirely different experience - and only then will you understand.

There are so many other Facebook Group's out there were you can do meaningless petitioning, blogging, video viewing, giving each other "likes" for great posts and on and on. In our view life is too short for this kind of bullshit - please don't join ours to do the same thing.


PS: To the "bloggers" out there, would you rather have someone sit down and explain something to you, or have to read some blog and figure it out on your own? Why should a staffer or a Congressman be any different? There is also the small matter of them finding the blog, which deals with an issue they probably don't give a shit about.

hil3182
08-04-2016, 10:18 AM
Somebody on Facebook pointed out that the advocacy guide (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_District_Advocacy_Guide_House_Edition.pdf) has material in there for people to gather signatures - something we don't want you to do at this time, since it can take months to gather these things - and we don't have months - we have weeks. So last night we updated it. Here are the highlights:

Process, Important Documents and Resources

STEP-0
Read the advocacy guide (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_District_Advocacy_Guide_House_Edition.pdf).

STEP-1
Register as Constituent (https://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113) – This allows us to reach out to you if we have a specific need to influence your Representative from the District.

STEP-2
Find your Representative (http://www.house.gov/representatives/) – Locate the Member of Congress from your district and check if your Representative has Cosponsored H.R.213. Here (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213/cosponsors) is the link to the list of current Cosponsors for H.R.213

STEP-3
Join your State Chapter (statechapters.immigrationvoice.org/) and look for people to join you when you visit your Representative. If you hear that your Representative has been visited before by someone else and the response was not positive, that just means enough people haven’t visited yet. So take into account the information about the office from others that have been there before you and try again. There is no need to let your Rep’s office know that you are aware of someone else being there before you.

STEP-4
H.R.213 Summary (https://immigrationvoice.org/media/HR213_Summary.pdf) – Schedule a meeting with the office your Member of Congress from your district. This document will be useful when you go to any meeting regarding H.R.213. Print copies of H.R.213 bill summary document and share these with the staffers.

STEP-5
After the meeting, Fill out the feedback form at http://feedback.immigrationvoice.org, so our people in DC can reference your meeting when we need to work with that office. Also, post the Name, Phone Number and email address of the staffer who spoke to you in the State Chapter and ask your fellow members to join you in following up while referencing your meeting. Follow-ups need to be polite and respectful. We generally recommend following up twice a week, but use your good judgement. For example, if the staffer says, they will have a decision in a week; calling them before then is just harassment – so use your intuition and judgement.

RandomizedPrecision
08-04-2016, 03:01 PM
It is unbelievable the amount of time\energy people have spent in the Peition nonsense. I 100% Guarantee the response this petition is going to get in 90 days: "DHS is working on this as we speak - It is going to issue regulations soon - so please wait. We're very supportive and the President has always advocated for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Congress has to Act - so Call your Fucking Congressman - You Numbnuts!"

If these worked then USChamber, FWD_US or any of these immigrant-moochers would not need to spend millions lobbying. They don't because these are useless and ineffective.

So the net accomplishment would be that DHS would go about and issue the same usless regulation that does nothing to provide EAD\AP and the Legal Immigrant community would have lost crucial 30 days patting themselves on the back for filling out an online form while they could have done what any other sensible person would do - Meet with their Congressperson when he\she is in their district!!!

Ok. Now that I am done venting - I thought of also chronicling how easy it was to get my Congressperson to sponsor HR213.

Step 1: Day 1: I went to his website and got some details. It had a form to fill for a meeting and it also gave me phone numbers for his local and DC office. I filled the form - asked for a meeting about HR213. I also called his DC office AND his Local office and asked for the same thing: To Meet with him to discuss immigration policy and HR213.
Time Spent: 60 minutes

Step 2: Day 3-4: They got back to me in a few days with options. The Congressman could not meet in person but they deferred me to a legislative assistant in his local office. She was very quick to respond with me over email. A couple emails later both she and I settled on a meeting date \ time at his local office for the week after.
Time Spent: 30 minutes

Step 3: Day 5-8: I was going to go alone but just for the heck of it, I posted a note on the IV FB page for the State Chapter and asked if anyone was interested in joining me. 4 people responded yes immeditely but only 1 followed through. I also looked through old posts on the IV Chapter page to see if others had shown any interest in the past. I pestered a few to join me but only one agreed. So I finally had a group of 3 with me included to be there in person.
Time Spent: 60 minutes

Step 4: Day 9: (The day before the meeting) I read up the IV Advocacy Packet. I made a few copies and in one copy I highlighted with a Marker all the main items I wanted to discuss with the Staff. I also spent some time researching the Staff Assistant's background (LinkedIn). How the Congressman voted for HR3012 in 2011 and who else from the state had already co-sponsored HR213
Time Spent: 90 minutes.

Step 5: Day 10:(The Day Of the meeting). We met with the Staffer - shared our key talking points. She intently listened, asked some basic questions and said that she will send it to DC and I should hear more in about a week to 10 days. I left the higlighted packet behind so that they have something handy to refer back to.
Time Spent: 120 minutes (Including Drive Time back and Forth)

Step 6: Day 11: I followed up with an email to both the DC Office and the Local Office thanking them for meeting with me, Attached some of the Advocacy material just so they had a soft copy to share around if needed. Asked them to reach out to me for any questions.
Time Spent: 20 minutes

Step 7: Day 11-15. I noted the numbers\names of the DC and Local office staffers and asked as many people as I could to call the Congressman's Local AND DC Offices. I sent many private message to folks on Twitter, FB, IV forum etc. - just tryng to get them to call the Congressman to show his leadership and co-sponsor HR213.
Time Spent: 120 minutes

Step 8: Day 16-20: Almost a week had passed since the face to face meeting. So I decided to start calling them every day asking for an update. I called both the DC and Local Offices at differnt times during the day. Most times I went to the voicemail but I left a message EVERYTIME! By now the receptionist at both the offices started to recognize my voice and would route me directly to the main person responsible for immigration. None of these calls lasted more than a few minutes.
Time Spent: 60 minutes.

Step 9: Day 21: I get a call from an unrecognized local number - so I don't pick it up. It was the Congressman himself calling me. He left me the following Voicemail: "Hi, I was calling for XXXXX. This is Congressman, XXXXX giving you a call. Just wanted to follow up. I know you had a chance to meet with XXXXX on my staff and so I'm just connecting now to let you know that I have taken a good hard look at the legislation that you had come in to meet about and I got an update on it, and I'm going to sign on to the bill when we get back in September. So let me know if you have any other questions. You can follow up with me anytime obviously at (XXX)-XXX-XXXX and thanks again. I just I really appreciate if you could let the other folks know you were with about that I signed on as well. That'd be great. Thanks. Bye. Bye."

I listen to the Voicemail and immediate call the number back. I asked for the Staffer but the receptionist (who by now knows my name) routes me directly to the Congressman. I speak with the Congressman - thank him for his leadership and request him to ask his leadership to bring this bill to a vote as well.
Time Spent : 20 minutes.

Total Time: 580 minutes (~10 hours)

So now if you consider that I was able to go from not knowing anything to getting my Congressman to sponsor in just 10 fucking hours - you'll realize how supportive and non-controversial this bill is. Also, now I have a relationship with my District Congressman and his staffers just in case I need to work with them on any other issue in the future. Compare that with the time folks are spending in the petition shit-show.

This is what a participatory Democracy looks like - not sitting behind social media sites and clicking the mouse in your pajamas!

You don't need any support or a go-ahead from anyone. You don't need anyone to join you - go alone if you can't find anyone else. Read the IV Advocacy Material - it is fantastic and to the point. So, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - do your bit, get out in the real world and call your congressmen. It is really easy - certainly easier than making corny videos and flyers about a petition!

Bhishma
08-04-2016, 03:42 PM
Very nicely put. Thank you for the details and the breakdown.
I encourage everyone to ask questions, request guidance if needed. This is the time to act responsibly. Find time to educate your family and friends about HR213, this is much easier and better approach than begging people to sign a stupid and useless petition.

Bhishma
08-04-2016, 03:48 PM
Hil,

I am falling short of words for the great act done by the person you mentioned. It moved me when a 9 month pregnant wife readily joined her Husband to solve an issue faced by thousands of families. Kudos to the couple. These are the people we should look up to and not the ones who click websites, create petitions and distractions and waste valuable time.

I am glad that we are backed by a couple who is committed to getting it done. This gives me confidence like never before and I hope it inspires others to do the right thing. And lastly thanks to you for your work and patiently dealing with ignorance and stupidity on a daily basis for a greater cause

hil3182
08-05-2016, 12:33 PM
September 2016 Advocacy day has been announced (http://http://app.getresponse.com/view.html?x=a62b&m=WeDBL&mc=JF&s=yb0gL9&u=BYcd&y=d&).