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kaca
03-10-2016, 09:32 PM
I would like to know if passing Comprehensive Immigration Reform solves all our problems.

It looks like Donald Trump will be the republican candidate.

In the Democratic party both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have said they will start to push the Comprehensive Immigration Reform in the first 100 days.

Does it give us any hope that it will solve the legal Immigration issues while their main focus is illegal Immigration.

kaca
03-10-2016, 09:38 PM
HR 2131(not HR 213) was originally part of the CIR.

H.R. 2131, the SKILLS Visa Act:
Increase in employment-based immigrant visas: Raises the employment-based immigrant visa cap from 140,000 to 235,000 per year. Eliminates country-specific limits on employment-based visas, addressing severe backlogs for immigrants from certain countries. Specific allocations are made for graduates with advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) fields.

bpk
03-11-2016, 06:01 AM
Immigration Reform or some major change is the only option.

Options like:
1. Recapturing the lost Green Card numbers
2. Considering the count of only the primary applicant (and not the members of the family) while handing out green cards
3. Increasing green card limits
4. Exempting Ph.Ds and STEM graduates from green card count
5. Removing country wise limitations

We will only benefit from the above options. In my opinion (others might disagree), no I-140 EAD rule is going to change anything when it comes to backlog. We will still be stuck, at the same level, they will keep introducing the "Special circumstances" clauses. I think we are wasting time by lobbying/commenting/fighting for I-140 EADs, I think we should focus our efforts on the above options.

By my calculations (lol, I could be wrong), if you apply in EB-2 today, you will get your green card only after 12 years. EB-3 is close to 25 years.

Thank you for starting this conversation, hopefully others will notice and join too. Stop wasting time with issues that don't help the real cause, like I-140 EADs etc. I know it would be a slight relief, but not a true victory. We should focus on the real stuff like eliminating backlog.

If we don't fight for it, then they won't do anything. They don't care about your and my struggle, these backlogs have always been there. For some categories, backlog have been more that 20 years long, and they have just kept dragging it. Will continue to drag it until we do something.

Well Democrats will take up immigration reform only because they benefit from Latino votes, they are not going to fight for us. I will not be surprised, if they just give amnesty to all illegals and do nothing for the legals.

And, don't even get me started on Trump. If he wins, he is going to stop green cards for a few years. LOL. I think we should pack our bags and head back to where we came from, if he is the President.

Hoping for awareness and Hoping for the Best... Good Luck! :)

njboy
03-11-2016, 12:12 PM
Obama was supposed to tackle immigration immediately after taking office, now it is the end of his term, his second term.

njboy
03-11-2016, 12:13 PM
Please note that I am not taking sides of anyone, nor advocating anything.

spicy_guy
03-11-2016, 02:44 PM
Please note that I am not taking sides of anyone, nor advocating anything.

Don't worry. Even if your endorse in this forum, the candidate is not going to get any majority.. LOL.. Just kidding..

dipdowndust
03-11-2016, 03:40 PM
Please note that I am not taking sides of anyone, nor advocating anything.

None of the candidates democrat and republican will or can do anything about immigration as there is a major deadlock and we legal, tax paying, without any rights even after paying taxes, are held hostage. People who have filed EB3 in 2004 are still waiting and future generation will take couple of decades to get greencard, and after 7-8 yrs of experience they will start porting which will delay EB2 as well. Anybody who applies in EB2 right now, will take more then a decade, may be two decades to get greencard. I think this is the time to focus on motherland and stop flocking in USA. USA shutting door for legal immigrants is blessing in disguise for India as more educated people can stay back and help India and themselves prosper.

For now, EAD is the new GC.

bestoption
03-11-2016, 04:49 PM
As native Indians, we are all proud of living and working in India - which has its own problems, advantages and disadvantages. But keep in Mind that IV and its grassroots efforts have brought in positive changes already. For the ones, who are willing to fight the challenges that come with Immigration to US, stick with IV and be optimistic.

kaca
03-11-2016, 07:05 PM
At first it seemed like Obamacare would not get passed. Obama spent all his time and energy in 2009 to get it passed. This happened immediately after the 2008 economic crisis. They were able to get it passed however controversial it might have been.

He should have logically taken up Immigration as the next thing. But people were to angry and because of whatever political compulsions he did not do it.
Consider this about 4.5 million latinos are registering for Citizenship this year to stop Trump(Reference: Latinos line up to get naturalized and stop Donald Trump - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/latino-voters-naturalization-trump/index.html))

This time whoever is the president cannot afford to ignore fixing the broken immigration system.

moon_walker333
03-14-2016, 03:39 PM
If I recall correctly, during last Sunday's call Aman had mentioned that a new bill will be introduced in couple of days/few days which will also address few of the immigration issues being faced by us. Anyone know anything about that? IV Leads, do you want to share anything?

Also, I am noticing that in list of Latest Posts the Date & Time is not showing correctly or is it just me? Could the DST change have caused it?

vikidisi
03-14-2016, 06:44 PM
No updates to announce on that bill. As always, we will post an update whenever we are able to. This will be a good bill.

There has been some issue with the forum, not sure what caused it but will try to fix it when possible.

bpk
03-15-2016, 12:29 AM
What is the point in introducing the bill now. the session is about to end in a few months. And the speaker of the house will not let anything come to the floor, which is even remotely related to Immigration.

That bill is a waste of time, money and effort. And it is again to fool us, will not solve any purpose.

If there were anything that were to happen in Immigration, will happen only next year! :(

sg27
03-15-2016, 05:07 AM
What is the point in introducing the bill now. the session is about to end in a few months. And the speaker of the house will not let anything come to the floor, which is even remotely related to Immigration.

That bill is a waste of time, money and effort. And it is again to fool us, will not solve any purpose.

If there were anything that were to happen in Immigration, will happen only next year! :(

I concur. Also, it does not seems to be a possibility even after the general elections because apparently GOP has huge majority in house and they will most probably retain that majority creating a similar grid lock as it has been for the last 6 years. So as a result, bills will be killed as soon these are introduced.

kaca
03-15-2016, 05:39 PM
The entire Congress goes for reelection. I think 1/3rd of the Senate goes for reelection.

A total of 469 seats in the U.S. Congress (34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 8, 2016.

That opens a lot of possibilities.

sg27
03-15-2016, 07:16 PM
The entire Congress goes for reelection. I think 1/3rd of the Senate goes for reelection.

A total of 469 seats in the U.S. Congress (34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 8, 2016.

That opens a lot of possibilities.

Kaca - you are right that whole senate goes up for election but if you follow political pundits and analysts closely you'll know that chances of democrats gaining majority in house are second to none. Nearly 34 (if memory serves right) republican seats in the house will need to be won by democrats for them to get majority.

Senate on the other hand is a close call with couple (I think 4-6) seats that can cause majority to flip over to democrats.

Only with a miracle we can see Democrats in both houses. And with many republicans flip flopping over last several years, no one can predict how they are going to behave.

That being said - I am not saying nothing will happen or everything will happen but the political scene looks grim overall. Only right lobbying efforts with congress (which IV is now trying to do) can be somewhat helpful.

kaca
03-15-2016, 11:23 PM
All 34 Class 3 Senators are up for election in 2016; Class 3 currently consists of 10 Democrats and 24 Republicans. Of the Senators not up for election, 35 Senators are Democrats, 30 Senators are Republicans and one Senator is an independent who caucuses with the Senate Democrats.

Who gets majority in Congress is not something that we can predict now.
In 2008 Elections Democrats got the house majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress

I don't think Democrats in anyways care about the Legal Immigration. Their focus is mainly on the Hispanic vote. They want to fix the illegal immigration. We are just a side kick. We might get kicked out of the fix, God only knows.

Republicans on the other hand are interested in fixing the Legal Immigration. They don't want to grant amnesty to illegals which would be good for us. But I doubt Trump will win the Election.

sg27
03-16-2016, 07:38 PM
All 34 Class 3 Senators are up for election in 2016; Class 3 currently consists of 10 Democrats and 24 Republicans. Of the Senators not up for election, 35 Senators are Democrats, 30 Senators are Republicans and one Senator is an independent who caucuses with the Senate Democrats.

Who gets majority in Congress is not something that we can predict now.
In 2008 Elections Democrats got the house majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress

I don't think Democrats in anyways care about the Legal Immigration. Their focus is mainly on the Hispanic vote. They want to fix the illegal immigration. We are just a side kick. We might get kicked out of the fix, God only knows.

Republicans on the other hand are interested in fixing the Legal Immigration. They don't want to grant amnesty to illegals which would be good for us. But I doubt Trump will win the Election.

So I don't disagree with your math on Senate side and totally agree that given it's current seat division and seats up for election - it will totally be up for toss AND no one can predict which way senate will sway.

The problem is actually in House of Reps - where republicans have hold the majority historically. And their current lead itself is historic i.e. 246 republicans vs 188 democrats. Now if you know, majority of states today have Republican governors and as part of 2010 census or before some re-districting was done that stands to benefit republican candidates and it did in 2012 and 2014.

Again, you are right in articulating the conflict that two parties have on immigration reform. And that's why I think, that US or immigration community specifically will be benefit if single party controls both houses as well as executive branch i.e. president. It should be a slam dunk then to get immigration reform passed. Too bad obama didn't do during first two years of his first term when democrats controlled both houses.

kaca
03-16-2016, 10:58 PM
Refer to this article:

2016 electorate will be the most diverse in U.S. history

2016 electorate will be the most diverse in U.S. history | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/2016-electorate-will-be-the-most-diverse-in-u-s-history/)

Again I don't want to sound predictive. Unlike in India I'm sure Americans would vote differently for the House and in Presidential Elections. But tell me who the pissed off Latino voter is going to vote for? Immediately after the election results in 2008 in the right wing Fox News, Sean Hannity immediately conceded the importance of Latino voters and changed his position on them. If they thought it was a mistake to antagonize the Latinos in 2008 in 2016 when white votes have dropped by 2% and Latino/Asian Votes have increased I'm not sure what will be the outcome.

We will have to keep our fingers crossed till November.

sg27
03-17-2016, 12:08 AM
Refer to this article:

2016 electorate will be the most diverse in U.S. history

2016 electorate will be the most diverse in U.S. history | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/2016-electorate-will-be-the-most-diverse-in-u-s-history/)

Again I don't want to sound predictive. Unlike in India I'm sure Americans would vote differently for the House and in Presidential Elections. But tell me who the pissed off Latino voter is going to vote for? Immediately after the election results in 2008 in the right wing Fox News, Sean Hannity immediately conceded the importance of Latino voters and changed his position on them. If they thought it was a mistake to antagonize the Latinos in 2008 in 2016 when white votes have dropped by 2% and Latino/Asian Votes have increased I'm not sure what will be the outcome.

We will have to keep our fingers crossed till November.

Presidential elections are different from how house of reps are elected.

Latino or minority voters matters a lot in presidential elections because presidential elections are based on votes casted on national basis and/or popular votes. But what matters in house of reps election is that how and where these minorities and/or latinos are situated (read which districts they are in)...and based on the point I was making earlier around re-districting. Again, even if republicans lose the districts with large latino population, they are still better placed overall in lot of other districts and will very likely be in majority - Only a miracle (or a BS presidential candidate that pisses off hard core conservatives) can save house for democrats.

Again - I did not mean to say that said anything wrong but it is different how electoral system works in presidential vs house or senate. Also, this is my take on overall system and still thinks the best thing for country and immigration community is that a single party controls executive branch (president) and both houses.

kaca
03-28-2016, 04:37 PM
Hillary Clinton's Position on Immigration:

Candidate's View Position
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ :Strongly favors immigration

Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows :Strongly favors immigration

Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families :Favors immigration reform

Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic :Strongly favors immigration

Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens - Agrees

Hillary Clinton | 2016 Presidential Candidate (http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/40/Hillary-Clinton)

Bernie Sander's Position on Immigration:

Candidate's View Position
NO on building a fence along the Mexican border :Strongly favors immigration reform
NO on comprehensive immigration reform :Strongly opposes immigration reform
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government :Strongly favors immigration reform
NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers :Opposes immigration reform

Bernie Sanders | 2016 Presidential Candidate (http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/35/Bernie-Sanders)


Bernie Sanders would be bad for Skilled Immigration.