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Administrator2
01-08-2015, 11:29 PM
This is a major announcement. Tonight, Congressman Chaffetz has sponsored and introduced a bill in the House to eliminate per-country limits. The bill number is H.R. 213.

This means H.R.3012 is now H.R. 213

We WILL Win!

vikidisi
01-09-2015, 12:02 AM
Fantastic news! As always, heard first on ImmigrationVoice. Just the introduction of this bill is a huge win for IV.

Administrator2
01-09-2015, 12:05 AM
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abcdgc
01-09-2015, 12:10 AM
Thank you IV!

I can't find bill on Thomas.gov

Administrator2
01-09-2015, 12:12 AM
Thank you IV!

I can't find bill on Thomas.gov

The bill just got introduced tonight. It will take couple of days to show up on Thomas.gov Trust us, its will :)

abcdgc
01-09-2015, 12:13 AM
the bill just got introduced tonight. It will take couple of days to show up on thomas.gov trust us, its will :)

wow this is huge

abcdgc
01-09-2015, 01:02 AM
Hinckley Institute names Chaffetz as ‘politician of year’ 2014

Chaffetz consistently leads the Utah ticket for the Republican Party (he garnered a resounding 72 percent of the vote in the 2014 midterm election); however, his partisan popularity does not interfere with his pursuit of sound bipartisan governance. He introduced the bipartisan Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act, which sought to abolish per-country immigration quotas. Furthermore, he spearheaded a refreshing bipartisan dual-district tour with liberal Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings.


Hinckley Institute names Chaffetz as ‘politician of year’ | Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865617898/Chaffetz-named-6politician-of-year7.html?pg=all)

hil3182
01-09-2015, 06:18 AM
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr213

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01-09-2015, 12:31 PM
This is a major announcement. Tonight, Congressman Chaffetz has sponsored and introduced a bill in the House to eliminate per-country limits. The bill number is H.R. 213.

This means H.R.3012 is now H.R. 213

We WILL Win!

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Is this a parallel effort when compared to the EO? Are H4-EAD and I140-EAD still part of that EO? I ask because nothing concrete has been posted regarding the EO for legals so far.
And that is really disheartening....
I am excited about this new bill but feel like we have 'moved on' from the last effort (EO) without any conclusion.

Let me know if I am missing something.
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eastindia
01-09-2015, 01:49 PM
Is this a parallel effort when compared to the EO? Are H4-EAD and I140-EAD still part of that EO? I ask because nothing concrete has been posted regarding the EO for legals so far.
And that is really disheartening....
I am excited about this new bill but feel like we have 'moved on' from the last effort (EO) without any conclusion.

Let me know if I am missing something.
Thank you.

I remember seeing an update on EO few days ago on IV Facebook page. You should subscribe to that page too.

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greyhair
01-10-2015, 01:23 PM
Excellent development

Any chance you can share the contents of bill H.R.213

Administrator2
01-10-2015, 01:39 PM
Excellent development

Any chance you can share the contents of bill H.R.213

It is the same bill that passed the House with 389-15 votes on 29th November 2011. See this link to get the idea of the text:

Bill Text of H.R.3012 that passed the House on 11/29/2011 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/3012/text/15472?q={%22search%22:[%22H.R.3012%22]})

Both, Rs and Ds in the House voted for passing this bill overwhelmingly

greyhair
01-10-2015, 01:44 PM
It is the same bill that passed the House with 389-15 votes on 29th November 2011. See this link to get the idea of the text:

Bill Text of H.R.3012 that passed the House on 11/29/2011 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/3012/text/15472?q={%22search%22:[%22H.R.3012%22]})

Both, Rs and Ds in the House voted for passing this bill overwhelmingly

Excellent!

When will go into effect, if passed

Administrator2
01-10-2015, 01:49 PM
Excellent!

When will go into effect, if passed

Effective date will be 30-Sept-14 i.e. Starting FY 2015 of USCIS

Some say that this could mean that EB3-I could possibly move to 2009 (or even 2010) immediately when the bill becomes law. And EB-2 could be 2011.

Please wait for the bill text to be posted on Thomas.

braveone
01-10-2015, 01:54 PM
Effective date will be 30-Sept-14 i.e. Starting FY 2015 of USCIS

Some say that this could mean that EB3-I could possibly move to 2009 (or even 2010) immediately when the bill becomes law. And EB-2 could be 2011.

Please wait for the bill text to be posted on Thomas.

WOW that will be awesome. When will this bill pass. What else can we do?

A lawyer website posted this:

01/09/2015: Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah Quietly Reintroduced Former H.R. 3012 in New H.R. 213 Yesterday

Yesterday, the Congressman introduced in the House H.R. 213. "A bill to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes" which was forwarded to the Committee on the Judiciary. The bill was and is cosponsored by Demoratic Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California. It is also co-sponsored by Republican Rep. Labrador of Idaho. Rep. Lofgren previously agreed to co-sponsor the previous controversial bill of H.R. 3012 on compromise to provide increase of per country numerical limitation for family-based immigration system, which is a Democratic legislative platform. Readers may recall that this bill was successful to pass the House and reached the Senate where Irish immigration bill was added and Sen. Grassley opposed to the passage. After a struggle, the Senate had almost compromised with Sen. Grassley, but eventually never made into a legislation. Now the same bill is back, probably without the Irish E-3 visa proposal and as a 114th Congress' new bill of H.R. 213. The text has yet to be made available. As soon as it is available, we will post it at this site.

source: immigration-law.com

Administrator2
01-10-2015, 03:08 PM
We don't think that it matters what some immigration lawyer's website say. Different lawyer different opinions. Also, there is a difference between lawyer and lawmaker.

This opinion is only what is already available online, there is nothing new. But we disagree with this assertion that Ms. Lofgren is co-sponsoring the bill because it increases family based country limits to 15%. Congresswoman Lofgren championed removal of per country limits in EB category going back to 2008 when she sponsored a bill H.R.5921 in 2008.

Here is the text of that bill H.R.5921.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/5921/text

We were involved in this bill for removing per-country limits back in 2008 as well. Congresswoman Lofgren was sponsor of this bill H.R.5921 and it did not increase family based per-country quota to 15%. So it is not true that Congresswoman Lofgren only supports H.R.213 because it increases family based quota from 7% to 15%.

Nevertheless, we support increasing family based per-country quota to 15% because that will reduce the wait times for family based immigrants. However, we disagree that Ms. Lofgren is co-sponsoring this bill only because it increases family based quota. And anyone who says that needs to know better. Congresswoman Lofgren is a big champion of elimination of per country limits in EB category.

Regarding adding Irish E-3 visa bill to H.R.3012 - back in 2012 Sen. Grassley had a hold on our bill. At that time, in Feb/March-2012, a very expensive political consultant suggested that if somehow E-3 Irish visa bill was added to H.R.3012, then Senator for the State of Massachusetts, Sen. Scott Brown could help remove the hold on H.R.3012.

There are a lot of US voters who identify themselves with Irish heritage in the state of MA and NY. The thinking was that if Sen. Brown is able to get E-3 visas for Irish, then he might have a chance to win his senatorial election in Nov-2012. So Sen. Brown (MA) and Sen. Schumer (NY) together added E-3 Irish visa bill to H.R.3012. We were in all those discussions including meetings with Deputy Ambassador of Irish Embassy in Washington. Then Sen. Brown asked Senator Grassley to remove his hold as passage of E-3 Irish visas (in H.R.3012) might help his re-election. Sen. Grassley did not relent but if he did then it would have been a masterful stroke. But as an outcome of all that, somehow at that time E-3 Irish visa bill was added to H.R.3012.

Most people are unaware of this but the deal was that if E-3 Irish visas bill was unable to help remove Sen. Grassley's hold and if someone else puts hold on if E-3 Irish visas bill, then to prevent any overload, E-3 visas part will be stripped from the final H.R.3012 bill before passing it.

Later, in July-2012, Sen. Grassley added his amendment to check for fraud in H-1B system. IV believes that there is a lot of fraud in H-1B system and our members tell us that a lot of immigration lawyers are somehow part of that evil nexus of employer-immigration lawyer causing fraud and exploitation of immigrant employee. Which is why we fully agreed, and we continue to agree with Senator Grassley's amendment.

Senator Grassley decided to remove his hold in July-2012 after he added his amendment. So it is factually not true that Sen. Grassley's text was not added to the Senate version of the bill. It was. And we liked Sen. Grassley's amendment even when bunch of lawyers did not like it. Some employers (which we think are mostly unethical and unscrupulous) were against Sen. Grassley's amendment. And some lawyers (who usually tend to get business from these employers) were also against Sen. Grassley's amendment. But their influence could not stop the bill. In the end, Sen. Sessions had put a hold on H.R.3012, not because of E-3 Irish visas or Grassley Amendment or but for a totally different reason. Back in 2nd half of 2012, Sen. Sessions was not opposed to the concept of elimination of per-country limits but he was making a principled stand on a subject not related to elimination of per-country limits. And rest is history. This is only 50,000 feet view of what transpired behind the scene and if we have to detail out everything, it will be 1000 page epic.

The point is, some lawyers may post information what is already available online. We don't know their motivation. But we were in the middle of all the activity related to bill H.R.3012 in the last round, and we expect to be play a role this time. And what comes out in news is often totally different from what is actually happening behind the scene.

You are free to read whatever you like online. But try to filter out someone's opinion over facts. And the fact is this -

Although immigration lawyers post on their websites as if they know what is going on, Congressional offices in Senate and House of Representatives don't know these big name immigration lawyers who have websites. These big name immigration lawyers that most immigrants revere online, no one knows them and no one gives a jack shit about them in Congressional offices and policy making.

And more importantly, the fact is - EVERY Congressional office knows Immigration Voice. Not because we are better than anyone else, but because we are honest in presenting policy suggestions that are good for America.

There is a power in getting involved and speaking up when you see something wrong. That is the most American thing to do. That is why, even at the cost of repetition we ask everyone over and over again to meet with your Member of Congress in your city or participate in Advocacy event in Washington to share your story/experience with the backlogs. Because your experience and desire to share you human story is thousands of times more powerful than what some immigration lawyer thinks. And that is a fact.

Stop reading online opinions of different immigration lawyers because that doesn't add any value to the debate, rather get involved and speak up and setup meeting with the office of Member of Congress. Online petitions and online voting or petition on Change.org, none of that add any value at all. You can, everyone can make a real difference in the debate by participating in the real world (rather than reading some opinion in the virtual world). The only thing that is preventing you from participating in the real action is your own will to do meaningful action to change your life and the lives of your family members.

My hope is that you will reconsider how you spend your time and actively participate in real advocacy to make the change.

braveone
01-10-2015, 07:37 PM
This is very helpful explanation. I did not understand it full because of the Senators asking for different things. But I get the point.

Then why did you not bring back hr3012 bill in 2013 or 2014?

Administrator2
01-10-2015, 08:12 PM
This is very helpful explanation. I did not understand it full because of the Senators asking for different things. But I get the point.

Then why did you not bring back hr3012 bill in 2013 or 2014?

In 2013 and 2014, Congress was considering CIR bill and there was no room to do piecemeal bills. So there was no room to push for individual bills where large CIR was being debated and discussed. And elimination of per-country limits for EB category was part of CIR which passed the Senate. Our fix was also part of the bills that passed the House last year.

You have to understand that even when there is sufficient support for our fixes, it has to wait for the right climate and timing. I know immigrants waiting in backlogs don't want to hear this because for our community what could be more pressing than fixing green card backlogs. However, Congress is dealing with other pressing issues as well. And the only way to increase the priority of our fixes is when more and more people waiting in backlogs will do their share to meet with their member of congress.

This year, Congress plans to tackle issues in piecemeal manner. Which is why it makes sense to support and ask your member of Congress to pass H.R.213.

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We don't think that it matters what some immigration lawyer's website say. Different lawyer different opinions. Also, there is a difference between lawyer and lawmaker.

This opinion is only what is already available online, there is nothing new. But we disagree with this assertion that Ms. Lofgren is co-sponsoring the bill because it increases family based country limits to 15%. Congresswoman Lofgren championed removal of per country limits in EB category going back to 2008 when she sponsored a bill H.R.5921 in 2008.

Here is the text of that bill H.R.5921.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/5921/text

We were involved in this bill for removing per-country limits back in 2008 as well. Congresswoman Lofgren was sponsor of this bill H.R.5921 and it did not increase family based per-country quota to 15%. So it is not true that Congresswoman Lofgren only supports H.R.213 because it increases family based quota from 7% to 15%.

Nevertheless, we support increasing family based per-country quota to 15% because that will reduce the wait times for family based immigrants. However, we disagree that Ms. Lofgren is co-sponsoring this bill only because it increases family based quota. And anyone who says that needs to know better. Congresswoman Lofgren is a big champion of elimination of per country limits in EB category.

Regarding adding Irish E-3 visa bill to H.R.3012 - back in 2012 Sen. Grassley had a hold on our bill. At that time, in Feb/March-2012, a very expensive political consultant suggested that if somehow E-3 Irish visa bill was added to H.R.3012, then Senator for the State of Massachusetts, Sen. Scott Brown could help remove the hold on H.R.3012.

There are a lot of US voters who identify themselves with Irish heritage in the state of MA and NY. The thinking was that if Sen. Brown is able to get E-3 visas for Irish, then he might have a chance to win his senatorial election in Nov-2012. So Sen. Brown (MA) and Sen. Schumer (NY) together added E-3 Irish visa bill to H.R.3012. We were in all those discussions including meetings with Deputy Ambassador of Irish Embassy in Washington. Then Sen. Brown asked Senator Grassley to remove his hold as passage of E-3 Irish visas (in H.R.3012) might help his re-election. Sen. Grassley did not relent but if he did then it would have been a masterful stroke. But as an outcome of all that, somehow at that time E-3 Irish visa bill was added to H.R.3012.

Most people are unaware of this but the deal was that if E-3 Irish visas bill was unable to help remove Sen. Grassley's hold and if someone else puts hold on if E-3 Irish visas bill, then to prevent any overload, E-3 visas part will be stripped from the final H.R.3012 bill before passing it.

Later, in July-2012, Sen. Grassley added his amendment to check for fraud in H-1B system. IV believes that there is a lot of fraud in H-1B system and our members tell us that a lot of immigration lawyers are somehow part of that evil nexus of employer-immigration lawyer causing fraud and exploitation of immigrant employee. Which is why we fully agreed, and we continue to agree with Senator Grassley's amendment.

Senator Grassley decided to remove his hold in July-2012 after he added his amendment. So it is factually not true that Sen. Grassley's text was not added to the Senate version of the bill. It was. And we liked Sen. Grassley's amendment even when bunch of lawyers did not like it. Some employers (which we think are mostly unethical and unscrupulous) were against Sen. Grassley's amendment. And some lawyers (who usually tend to get business from these employers) were also against Sen. Grassley's amendment. But their influence could not stop the bill. In the end, Sen. Sessions had put a hold on H.R.3012, not because of E-3 Irish visas or Grassley Amendment or but for a totally different reason. Back in 2nd half of 2012, Sen. Sessions was not opposed to the concept of elimination of per-country limits but he was making a principled stand on a subject not related to elimination of per-country limits. And rest is history. This is only 50,000 feet view of what transpired behind the scene and if we have to detail out everything, it will be 1000 page epic.

The point is, some lawyers may post information what is already available online. We don't know their motivation. But we were in the middle of all the activity related to bill H.R.3012 in the last round, and we expect to be play a role this time. And what comes out in news is often totally different from what is actually happening behind the scene.

You are free to read whatever you like online. But try to filter out someone's opinion over facts. And the fact is this -

Although immigration lawyers post on their websites as if they know what is going on, Congressional offices in Senate and House of Representatives don't know these big name immigration lawyers who have websites. These big name immigration lawyers that most immigrants revere online, no one knows them and no one gives a jack shit about them in Congressional offices and policy making.

And more importantly, the fact is - EVERY Congressional office knows Immigration Voice. Not because we are better than anyone else, but because we are honest in presenting policy suggestions that are good for America.

There is a power in getting involved and speaking up when you see something wrong. That is the most American thing to do. That is why, even at the cost of repetition we ask everyone over and over again to meet with your Member of Congress in your city or participate in Advocacy event in Washington to share your story/experience with the backlogs. Because your experience and desire to share you human story is thousands of times more powerful than what some immigration lawyer thinks. And that is a fact.

Stop reading online opinions of different immigration lawyers because that doesn't add any value to the debate, rather get involved and speak up and setup meeting with the office of Member of Congress. Online petitions and online voting or petition on Change.org, none of that add any value at all. You can, everyone can make a real difference in the debate by participating in the real world (rather than reading some opinion in the virtual world). The only thing that is preventing you from participating in the real action is your own will to do meaningful action to change your life and the lives of your family members.

My hope is that you will reconsider how you spend your time and actively participate in real advocacy to make the change.

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01-12-2015, 08:50 PM
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01-12-2015, 09:42 PM
Please sign a petition for HR 213.

Please submit your petitions to Pass with a majority the - H.R.213 - To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and (http://www.petition2congress.com/17168/pass-with-majority-hr213-to-amend-immigration-nationality-act-to/?m)

There are only 295 petitions submitted and over 40k for animal cruelty. I even paid the 9 dollars to deliver the message to congress.

rupen
01-12-2015, 09:49 PM
Please sign a petition for HR 213.

Please submit your petitions to Pass with a majority the - H.R.213 - To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and (http://www.petition2congress.com/17168/pass-with-majority-hr213-to-amend-immigration-nationality-act-to/?m)

There are only 295 petitions submitted and over 40k for animal cruelty. I even paid the 9 dollars to deliver the message to congress.

We at ImmigrationVoice do not believe in petitions. It is almost impossible to get required number of signatures within the time frame and even if by magic if you do get numbers, it would only fetch generic response without any outcome. If you do want to do something, please attend advocacy event during Feb 8-10, make donation to ImmigrationVoice, meet your local congressional offices and talk to your friends to do the same. I know all this is difficult compared to signing a petition, but that's what it takes to see positive outcome.

Administrator2
01-12-2015, 09:57 PM
Please sign a petition for HR 213.

Please submit your petitions to Pass with a majority the - H.R.213 - To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and (http://www.petition2congress.com/17168/pass-with-majority-hr213-to-amend-immigration-nationality-act-to/?m)

There are only 295 petitions submitted and over 40k for animal cruelty. I even paid the 9 dollars to deliver the message to congress.

Some things just never change

Someone is such an idiot that even after repeated request they started this online petition. In a few days someone else will start another petition and then someone will start another petition. If you did not get the message then let us repeat again -

ONLINE PETITIONS LIKE THIS HAS ZERO VALUE
SUCH ONLINE PETITIONS HURT OUR CAUSE
YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND TIME OF EVERYONE WHO WILL CLICK BUTTON ON THIS PETITION

Can anything be more clear than this? This is insane behavior.

We are trying to get support for this bill and we are requesting you, rather we are pleading you to please not start such petitions or click button on such petitions. Such petitions mean jack shit in the real world.

STOP POSTING SUCH PETITIONS ON THIS WEBSITE

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01-13-2015, 11:33 AM
What I meant, as this time it has greater chances due to majority of republicans in both house and senate.

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01-13-2015, 12:27 PM
Been following IV for sometime, donated $100 today. Transaction ID: 6J91452909057105A. Keep up the good work!!

One confusion though. As per this: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr213 it has 3% chances of being enacted. I certainly don't believe that number for this bill as this time it has but can anybody tell how is that number derived?

- B

This question has been asked by many members so making an attempt to share what we think.

Numbers and relevant percentages matter. But please try to look for the source of the numbers, assumptions and method in which those numbers were calculated before considering them to be facts. If the assumptions are incorrect and method is not relevant, the numbers will not be relevant.

The link you posted is a private website (although the URL seem to give a wrong impression that it might be a government website) with its own method to to provide some data point. If you dig a little you can find how they are calculating the percentage of the numbers. Here is the link:
https://www.govtrack.us/about/analysis#prognosis

We don't believe that these numbers are relevant. 2015-2016 is not a repeat of 2011-2012. Those were different times and this is a different time. Facts, circumstances and environment is different.

Although we understand that many of us are from STEM background and we have a desire to analyze and draw probability to make intelligent guess, we believe that the assumptions for this % number is not complete and it is not considering hundreds of other factors that can (and will) contribute to how any bill (and this bill in particular) will progress.

We would recommend not reading too much into that % number.

udaychaka
01-13-2015, 07:47 PM
Paypal confirmation:
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I_Luv_GC
01-14-2015, 07:21 PM
Kudos to IV's efforts and a small token of appreciation - $100 contribution
I am sure We Will WIN this time.

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hil3182
01-14-2015, 07:59 PM
HR213 is gaining momentum. Compete America comes out in favor

Compete America Statement on Introduction of HR 213 | PressReleasePoint (http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/compete-america-statement-introduction-hr-213)

gap123
01-14-2015, 08:48 PM
Thank you IV for all the effort...my $100 donation for the cause

Transaction ID for this payment is: 90W734380J931425B

sdeshpan
01-14-2015, 09:31 PM
In 2013 and 2014, Congress was considering CIR bill and there was no room to do piecemeal bills. So there was no room to push for individual bills where large CIR was being debated and discussed. And elimination of per-country limits for EB category was part of CIR which passed the Senate. Our fix was also part of the bills that passed the House last year.

You have to understand that even when there is sufficient support for our fixes, it has to wait for the right climate and timing. I know immigrants waiting in backlogs don't want to hear this because for our community what could be more pressing than fixing green card backlogs. However, Congress is dealing with other pressing issues as well. And the only way to increase the priority of our fixes is when more and more people waiting in backlogs will do their share to meet with their member of congress.

This year, Congress plans to tackle issues in piecemeal manner. Which is why it makes sense to support and ask your member of Congress to pass H.R.213.

I agree with your assessment and the fact that both chambers are now controlled by Rs, it is a good time to breathe life back into this. Even if enough folks on both side of the aisle support this or some morphed form of this bill, do you really think the WH has any appetite for piecemeal legislation on immigration?

Also, looking at the current state of affairs in the House, I fear that loonies in there will try to hold this hostage unless Boehner concedes and adds language to repeal/defund te EO that the President signed. Anyway, what is IVs sense of the approach the Senate and WH will take, of the bill makes it out of the committees and the lower chamber?

pappu
01-15-2015, 10:50 AM
Bill text uploaded

advik20
01-15-2015, 12:39 PM
Bill text uploaded

seems like it will eliminate in phased manner

just like HR 3012 did

konerusai
01-15-2015, 01:10 PM
My donation 100$ in support of this bill. 3YD75484UF279900L.

ChaseMyDreams
01-15-2015, 02:33 PM
Bill text uploaded

Hello Admin,
This looks very promising and helps almost everyone in this forum. I have a specific question - How does the Effective date works here? It says "Effective Sep 30, 2014...".

For Example - I'm an Indian with PD in 2014 & have applied I-485 in November 2014 using my spouse's country charge-ability (she is UAE born). If this bill passes which would remove the country cap which will make the cross country charge-ability invalid. Will my 485 approval be pushed back? Or it will go in sequence it was submitted?

I would appreciate your response. Thanks!

rupen
01-15-2015, 02:56 PM
Hello Admin,
This looks very promising and helps almost everyone in this forum. I have a specific question - How does the Effective date works here? It says "Effective Sep 30, 2014...".

For Example - I'm an Indian with PD in 2014 & have applied I-485 in November 2014 using my spouse's country charge-ability (she is UAE born). If this bill passes which would remove the country cap which will make the cross country charge-ability invalid. Will my 485 approval be pushed back? Or it will go in sequence it was submitted?

I would appreciate your response. Thanks!

Effective date here means that from that effective date bill will be effective. It does not have to do with priority date but you will get green card faster because it would be first come first serve.

rupen
01-15-2015, 03:33 PM
GOP Retreat: Rep. Jeff Denham Says Party's Quietly Crafting Broad Immigration Bill - Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/15/gop-retreat-rep-jeff-denham-says-partys-quietly-crafting-broad-immigration-bill/)

ramappu
01-15-2015, 04:38 PM
Good news

Just donated USD 100.00
Transaction ID for this payment is: 4C746180TR791981P.

advik20
01-16-2015, 07:55 AM
Bill text uploaded

Will the elimination be immediate or in phased manner?

rupen
01-16-2015, 08:12 AM
Will the elimination be immediate or in phased manner?

This bill is exactly like 3012 which was to eliminate in phased manner.

advik20
01-16-2015, 08:27 AM
This bill is exactly like 3012 which was to eliminate in phased manner.

then how come the admin said in his previous post

that EB3 will move to 2009 and Eb2 to 2011?

rupen
01-16-2015, 08:28 AM
then how come the admin said in his previous post

that EB3 will move to 2009 and Eb2 to 2011?

Even in phased manner, it can move that far.

advik20
01-16-2015, 08:36 AM
Even in phased manner, it can move that far.

Aapke munh mein ghee shakkar. :-)

rupen
01-16-2015, 01:27 PM
At last, sensible immigration reform may have a chance in Washington - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2015/01/16/at-last-sensible-immigration-reform-may-have-a-chance-in-washington/)

nirvana_neo
01-16-2015, 03:29 PM
Just donated 100 $

Transaction ID is 0SC035192X4355527 .

hil3182
01-21-2015, 11:18 AM
upto 7 co-sponsors so far:

Labrador, Raúl [R-ID1]
(joined Jan 8, 2015)
Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA19]
(joined Jan 8, 2015)
Curbelo, Carlos [R-FL26]
(joined Jan 20, 2015)
Gabbard, Tulsi [D-HI2]
(joined Jan 20, 2015)
Miller, Candice [R-MI10]
(joined Jan 20, 2015)
Stefanik, Elise [R-NY21]
(joined Jan 20, 2015)
Valadao, David [R-CA21]
(joined Jan 20, 2015)

rexjamla
01-21-2015, 04:38 PM
Your receipt number for this payment is: 0781-9628-2400-2998.

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sena302
01-21-2015, 05:05 PM
contributed $100.
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 1R125288AW620805F.

Thank you!!

Desertfox
01-21-2015, 06:40 PM
You sent a payment of $100.00 USD to Immigration Voice.
Jan 21, 2015 14:43:24 PST
Transaction ID: 2D628225GR357351N

KiranKashi
01-21-2015, 07:33 PM
Here is my $100.00 Donation - Transaction ID for this payment is: 7SD71166SJ251550N

rupen
01-21-2015, 10:22 PM
Border bill coming next week

House taking up border bill next week - Seung Min Kim - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/border-security-bill-immigration-reform-house-114445.html)

dkshitij
01-22-2015, 03:25 PM
The Senate GOP is naming its two most anti-immigrant members to run its immigration subcommittee - Vox (http://www.vox.com/2015/1/22/7867941/sessions-vitter-immigration)

Sen. Jeff Sessions (as chair) and Sen. David Vitter (as vice-chair) head the subcommittee on immigration in the Senate Judiciary committee. Both are staunch legal immigration and high-skilled immigration opponents.

Is this Sen. Grassley stall of HR 3012 redux?

gc_check
01-23-2015, 06:32 AM
Yes, the same Grassley & Sessions. Since the bills in most case have to pass the committee prior to hitting the floor, if careful, planned effort are done and if the lobbyist get these Senators onboard, then it is possible they do not cause hurdles in the floor. Each Senator have their own responsibilities and commitments to the citizen. If they are presented with actual evidence for the issue at hand and explain the issue and show the pain, they might switch their positions if they believe. The new bill is still not mature to this point yet, however lots of work needed to get to that point. Somehow the immigration community that want solution for their issues is spread thin and many demands only address a certain portion of the problem of a specific group. Getting all onboard has its own challenge.
Folks stuck in retrogress, need Visa Recapture / Elimination of per country limit. Applicants on H1 want EAD for H4. Those will I-140 their first priority is to file I-485. If you talk to a H4 Professional who has compromised career for family, they just want EAD. The new tobe GRAD for longer OPT and want an assurance to get H1. Those got Greencard after so many year, wish if the 5 year wait can be waived. The small business need more H1B. The anti immigrants do not want any of these.

Will have to wait and see where this all takes. However this year looks promising than all of the past. Also hopefully Dems / POTUS does not use the Legal aspects as a bargaining chip for undocumented immigration reform.

Time will tell. You just need to do what you can do on your part.

waitinline
01-23-2015, 07:11 AM
I am about to donate but i have a few questions.

How will this bill help ?

1. It does not recapture unused greencards
2. It does not give EAD to approved I-140
3. It also says ...that
"Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country."

4.It does not remove dependents.

I really don't see HR 213 changing the situation much.

Am i wrong ?

Murthy
01-23-2015, 08:10 AM
I am about to donate but i have a few questions.

How will this bill help ?

1. It does not recapture unused greencards
2. It does not give EAD to approved I-140
3. It also says ...that
"Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country."

4.It does not remove dependents.

I really don't see HR 213 changing the situation much.

Am i wrong ?

My dear friend. If HR 213 becomes law, we just get removal of per country limits. All others you are talking about are in I-d Act of 2015 ie Senate bill S.153
Donot wait further. Just donate and do your part.

eastindia
01-23-2015, 08:56 AM
I am about to donate but i have a few questions.

How will this bill help ?

1. It does not recapture unused greencards
2. It does not give EAD to approved I-140
3. It also says ...that
"Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country."

4.It does not remove dependents.

I really don't see HR 213 changing the situation much.

Am i wrong ?

It depends on your immigration situation and what you want. No bill language is set in stone when introduced. The language changes a lot when it goes through several steps. Amendments that are good and bad are added. Advocacy is a process where first you have to get many people to cosponsor or support the bill. Then you have to protect it and add amendments to it. So if you donate and strengthen Immigrationvoice I am sure they may be able to add at least an amendment of one of the 4 things you have listed. They did that in the past to a bill and if the opportunity is right, there is no reason why they will not do it again. All 4 are part of IV agenda and they keep finding the opportunity to add in any bill that moves. That is how the lobby beast is.

KiranKashi
01-23-2015, 11:10 AM
Here is one more contribution from my friend Bhaskar Reddy - Transaction ID for this payment is: 10T85217F6229642Y.

rupen
01-23-2015, 09:57 PM
I am about to donate but i have a few questions.

How will this bill help ?

1. It does not recapture unused greencards
2. It does not give EAD to approved I-140
3. It also says ...that
"Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country."

4.It does not remove dependents.

I really don't see HR 213 changing the situation much.

Am i wrong ?

In the transition time, 85% will be FIFO and within 15%, not country can get more than 25%. So, India should get 85% in the first year.

rupen
01-23-2015, 10:50 PM
Check this IV facebook post today.
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/857820454284180

H4 EAD seems close. Please post your stories at
ImmigrationVoice.org - Your EAD for H-4 Story Form (http://YourStory.ImmigrationVoice.org)

konerusai
01-29-2015, 12:17 AM
Could Obama Increase Immigration By Not Counting Family Against Visa Caps? | Center for Immigration Studies (http://cis.org/increase-immigration-by-not-counting-family-against-visa-caps)

braveone
02-11-2015, 08:17 PM
Dear Admin,

People on the other forum are sending twitter messages to lawmakers. Is that a good idea?

braveone
02-11-2015, 08:20 PM
What I meant to ask is if that is helpful should we also start twitter advocacy?

rupen
02-11-2015, 09:01 PM
What I meant to ask is if that is helpful should we also start twitter advocacy?

No, we do not believe in those twitter campaigns. What we believe in, we just did last couple of days from Feb 8-10, advocacy event in DC

Administrator2
02-11-2015, 09:37 PM
First of all posting on Twitter is NEITHER advocacy nor a campaign. But it sure is waste of whole lot of time. If things would happen just by posting on twitter and FB then Washington DC would be a dead town, everyone would just sit at home to tweet and click FB like button. And no one would have to do anything else. So please don't get mired into false narrative by using phrases like "Twitter campaign" or "Facebook Advocacy", these are oxymorons.

Every tool has its relevance. The primary relevance of Twitter and FB is to create awareness for organizing grassroots to participate in REAL ADVOCACY. If you are unable to convert social media into real action then its waste of time. When social media engages in grassroots to participate in REAL ADVOCACY, go to Washington, find a champion for a cause, create a bi-partisan agreement, get support from other groups (which is hugely important), shop for cosponsors, do the same thing in the other chamber of Congress (Senate/House), get committee leadership onboard, get majority party onboard to bring the bill for vote, get the support of minority, then and only then the bill can pass. It will take time, because in any democratic process it takes time. But if people think an issue is important and thus they are able to endure the process, then eventually things will happen because the system actually works. There are no shortcuts and posting on twitter and clicking like button on FB might be easy, but it is the biggest waste of time if it cannot translate into real daily action on the ground.

Even when working on any idea with the administration, like any Admin Fix, it never ever happens in 1-2 meetings things start to roll. One has to go time and again, advocate for the position, presenting different arguments, responding to their questions, providing data to support your arguments. Creating some FB page, talking with each other, patting each others back but with no added real action on the ground, or, posting on twitter and re-tweeting over and over again, all that is waste of time if it is not timed and coordinated with frequent real action on the ground. That is the reason we keep requesting members to stop wasting time in online forums and call your local Senator/Congressman office to setup a meeting. Or, come to Washington to meet with your Members of Congress.

BTW, what twitter post are you talking about? Who is posting it, where?

gcharry
02-12-2015, 12:52 PM
Its going on here.

http://www..com/uk-discussion-forums/i765/740339151/ead-for-h4-visa-holders/page/last_page

konerusai
03-04-2015, 01:50 PM
H.R. 213: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2015

New Cosponsor: Rep. Kevin Cramer [R-ND0]

Administrator2
03-07-2015, 11:12 AM
The Senate GOP is naming its two most anti-immigrant members to run its immigration subcommittee - Vox (http://www.vox.com/2015/1/22/7867941/sessions-vitter-immigration)

Sen. Jeff Sessions (as chair) and Sen. David Vitter (as vice-chair) head the subcommittee on immigration in the Senate Judiciary committee. Both are staunch legal immigration and high-skilled immigration opponents.

Is this Sen. Grassley stall of HR 3012 redux?

It is easy to dismiss everything because someone or the other will always be opposing every bill. We have to keep working diligently to find ways in which the political climate is right to get our bill pass through Congress. None of these Senators have policy level opposition to removal of per-country limits. Their opposition was based on political view of overall immigration, their opposition was not over the policy matter on removal of per country limits. So it has to have a political solution and political landscape is dynamic as it keeps shifting. If we keep pushing for our bill, with shifting political landscape there is always a possibility that the window of opportunity could open. We just have to be ready and be on lookout for such opportunity. Who knows, maybe one of these Senators might decide to support or rather sponsor bill to remove per country limits.

One cannot overcome political hurdles with policy arguments. At the same time, one cannot sit back and wait for all the political problems in the world to resolve before starting to work on any bill. For if we do, then we might as well wait for 1000 years and will still not have political problems settle down by itself. Every issue or bill has political hurdles. We just have to find ways to overcome without having a fatalistic outlook. The chances of overcoming these hurdles increase each time we attempt to push for the bill. That’s just a statistical fact.

konerusai
03-17-2015, 03:16 PM
New Cosponsor: Rep. Jim McDermott [D-WA7]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Barbara Comstock [R-VA10]

mgmanoj
03-17-2015, 10:08 PM
How many co-sponsors on bill can force senate or house committee to bring that bill for vote or pass ?

dhruva12
03-28-2015, 09:06 PM
Admin ... Whats the most likely positive development in this direction? The most frustrating thing for me is that Mar 20th has passed, and there is no credible information on what USCIS has recommended for EO... I want to switch jobs but wary of the whole PERM process re-start ..

1.) USCIS starting the rule making process
2.) H.R 213 moving forward?
3.) I^2 moving forward..

Murthy
03-29-2015, 07:56 AM
Admin ... Whats the most likely positive development in this direction? The most frustrating thing for me is that Mar 20th has passed, and there is no credible information on what USCIS has recommended for EO... I want to switch jobs but wary of the whole PERM process re-start ..

1.) USCIS starting the rule making process
2.) H.R 213 moving forward?
3.) I^2 moving forward..
My dear Friend
Every one who stuck in backlogs are getting frustrated day by day for the past decade facing lot of family issues,travel issues, can not change job easily due to no rights etc Please read IV post at
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/893237120742513
Personally I have lot more.. I have college going daughter. I am sure you can not even imagine problems of people having college going kids without GC. Probably you will run away from US. Now things are coming one by one. Keep trust in IV. IV is working very hard... Please do not lose confidence. We will get GOOD days. I am fully relying on HR 213. If in case HR 213 wouldn't become law in this year probably Our family may have to leave US after my daughter completes education. In such case there will be no hope for any legal immigration in the future, but . I am very confident HR 213 will become law this year. Just timing.
FYI: I *2 Act will never become law as long as it contains H1B quota increase.

asaxena
03-29-2015, 10:58 AM
My dear Friend
Every one who stuck in backlogs are getting frustrated day by day for the past decade facing lot of family issues,travel issues, can not change job easily due to no rights etc Please read IV post at
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/893237120742513
Personally I have lot more.. I have college going daughter. I am sure you can not even imagine problems of people having college going kids without GC. Probably you will run away from US. Now things are coming one by one. Keep trust in IV. IV is working very hard... Please do not lose confidence. We will get GOOD days. I am fully relying on HR 213. If in case HR 213 wouldn't become law in this year probably Our family may have to leave US after my daughter completes education. In such case there will be no hope for any legal immigration in the future, but . I am very confident HR 213 will become law this year. Just timing.
FYI: I *2 Act will never become law as long as it contains H1B quota increase.
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If you are worried by your daughter getting out of status, does n't childhood status protection act takes care of that issue.

Murthy
03-29-2015, 11:29 AM
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If you are worried by your daughter getting out of status, does n't childhood status protection act takes care of that issue.

I believe Child Protection act will take care of only when I-485 is filed. Fortunately July 2007 incident made our family status AOS (filed I-485 ) . AOS is not sufficient to get Federal Aid for department of education. You need to be on PAROLEE during school year--Aug-June. In order to get PAROLEE, you must go out of US and re-enter with AP every year.Also you have to make sure PAROLEE status valid for school year (August-June). This is a punishment for immigrants on AOS without GC. Hope now you understand the problems.
Thats why every one wants HR213 to be PASSED and become law.

dhruva12
03-29-2015, 01:16 PM
My dear Friend
Every one who stuck in backlogs are getting frustrated day by day for the past decade facing lot of family issues,travel issues, can not change job easily due to no rights etc Please read IV post at
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/893237120742513
Personally I have lot more.. I have college going daughter. I am sure you can not even imagine problems of people having college going kids without GC. Probably you will run away from US. Now things are coming one by one. Keep trust in IV. IV is working very hard... Please do not lose confidence. We will get GOOD days. I am fully relying on HR 213. If in case HR 213 wouldn't become law in this year probably Our family may have to leave US after my daughter completes education. In such case there will be no hope for any legal immigration in the future, but . I am very confident HR 213 will become law this year. Just timing.
FYI: I *2 Act will never become law as long as it contains H1B quota increase.

Murthy .. First of all, appreciate the reply, and your confidence has made my sunday start better... That said, we all have our problems and depending on who you are where you are in your life, it might look like my mountain is bigger than yours .. It doesnt have to be a condescending that "other people cannot imagine problems or would have run away" and makes us look skirmish.

In the end, this is a wave and when it comes it will lift all boats ...

Cheer up. I hope you get your status ASAP.

Ramalingam
03-29-2015, 01:44 PM
My dear Friend
Every one who stuck in backlogs are getting frustrated day by day for the past decade facing lot of family issues,travel issues, can not change job easily due to no rights etc Please read IV post at
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/893237120742513
Personally I have lot more.. I have college going daughter. I am sure you can not even imagine problems of people having college going kids without GC. Probably you will run away from US. Now things are coming one by one. Keep trust in IV. IV is working very hard... Please do not lose confidence. We will get GOOD days. I am fully relying on HR 213. If in case HR 213 wouldn't become law in this year probably Our family may have to leave US after my daughter completes education. In such case there will be no hope for any legal immigration in the future, but . I am very confident HR 213 will become law this year. Just timing.
FYI: I *2 Act will never become law as long as it contains H1B quota increase.

It is ok to be optimistic about passing bills like Hr 213 but it may be difficult to plan based on that. If it is not passed this year there is a possibility for next year as the bill expires only 2016 december if no action is done. I*2 act also may have chance if the H1b numbers and GC numbers will be made reasonable and unlimited portion is removed in both H1b and GC. Basically higher the numbers more difficult to get neutral votes as they are critical for passing for any bill and you cannot change hardcore pro immigrants and anti immigrants

konerusai
03-29-2015, 08:44 PM
New Cosponsor: Rep. Blake Farenthold [R-TX27]

rsr_am
04-15-2015, 07:19 AM
Now total is - 23

new cosponsors:

Rep. Reichert, David G. [R-WA-8] 04/14/2015
Rep. Smith, Adam [D-WA-9] 04/14/2015
Rep. Honda, Michael M. [D-CA-17] 04/14/2015
Rep. Larsen, Rick [D-WA-2] 04/14/2015

spulugur
04-15-2015, 07:35 AM
Excellent!

Full list of cosponsors is at - https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213

Murthy
04-15-2015, 08:43 AM
This is possible just because of IV efforts. All three co-sponsors from WA are due to exclusive effort of Chitti a dedicated IV volunteer and other IV members from WA state. I am proud to be a part of IV having met Chitti during recent IV advocacy days in Feb 2015.
Now total is - 23

new cosponsors:

Rep. Reichert, David G. [R-WA-8] 04/14/2015
Rep. Smith, Adam [D-WA-9] 04/14/2015
Rep. Honda, Michael M. [D-CA-17] 04/14/2015
Rep. Larsen, Rick [D-WA-2] 04/14/2015

greenvisa
04-15-2015, 06:47 PM
What is the required number of cosponsors for a bill to get on to floor? How many cosponsors more required for this bill to make it to floor?

rupen
04-15-2015, 07:14 PM
What is the required number of cosponsors for a bill to get on to floor? How many cosponsors more required for this bill to make it to floor?

There is no predefined number. Idea is to add as many as we can and create enough momentum

Ramalingam
04-15-2015, 07:40 PM
There is no predefined number. Idea is to add as many as we can and create enough momentum

Usually any immigration bill comes and expires at the end of the period. Even if house is able to pass then Senate it is difficult. Basically Co-sponsoring will be used to gauge the support. But bringing a bill is on the hands of leadership. The leadership could bring a bill which may have only a few co-sponsors. At the same time there will be even majority of house is co-sponsor still leadership may not bring the bill for the debate. So if anyone is optimistic of passage of any immigration bill I will ask one question. Is this time different? The answer gives the chance of passage of bill. Or At least this time are you anything different for lobbying the bill?

rupen
04-15-2015, 08:39 PM
Usually any immigration bill comes and expires at the end of the period. Even if house is able to pass then Senate it is difficult. Basically Co-sponsoring will be used to gauge the support. But bringing a bill is on the hands of leadership. The leadership could bring a bill which may have only a few co-sponsors. At the same time there will be even majority of house is co-sponsor still leadership may not bring the bill for the debate. So if anyone is optimistic of passage of any immigration bill I will ask one question. Is this time different? The answer gives the chance of passage of bill. Or At least this time are you anything different for lobbying the bill?

It is easy to be suspicious and ask questions. If there was not a good chance for it, we would not be pushing for it. We are not paid money to push for it like lobbyists. There are other bills like startup act, i d act and so on but we are focusing energy here because this seems to have the best chance. To understand how it is different, you need to come to advocacy events or trust. If you do not do either of that you are not going to get answers.

maxpayne1
04-16-2015, 03:31 AM
Hi rupen,

Since I'm relatively new to this, how do I go about trying to convince my congressperson to co-sponsor this? He is currently not one of the co-sponsors. Is there a template somewhere that I could modify and use to email him? Thanks!

sengs
04-16-2015, 06:20 AM
Hi rupen,

Since I'm relatively new to this, how do I go about trying to convince my congressperson to co-sponsor this? He is currently not one of the co-sponsors. Is there a template somewhere that I could modify and use to email him? Thanks!

The most effective option is to get an appointment and meet with him/her personally at his/her local offcie and convince him/her to cosponsor this bill. They may or may not agree with you but they are very approachable because they want to hear from their constituents.

pappu
04-16-2015, 07:48 AM
Hi rupen,

Since I'm relatively new to this, how do I go about trying to convince my congressperson to co-sponsor this? He is currently not one of the co-sponsors. Is there a template somewhere that I could modify and use to email him? Thanks!

emails, tweets, online petitions, facebook posts etc do not really convince for sponsoring. One has to get involved with the office in person and set up regular meetings.
Read:
http://immigrationvoice.org/media/HowTo_Guide_MeetLawmakers.pdf

maxpayne1
04-17-2015, 10:07 AM
emails, tweets, online petitions, facebook posts etc do not really convince for sponsoring. One has to get involved with the office in person and set up regular meetings.
Read:
http://immigrationvoice.org/media/HowTo_Guide_MeetLawmakers.pdf

pappu,

Thank you for posting this.

konerusai
04-29-2015, 05:15 PM
New Cosponsor: Rep. Sam Graves [R-MO6]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Luke Messer [R-IN6]

stan1IV
04-29-2015, 06:19 PM
New Cosponsor: Rep. Sam Graves [R-MO6]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN1]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Luke Messer [R-IN6]

Hail hail..

Is there a safe number of sponsors which will ensure success of this bill?

stan1IV
04-29-2015, 08:25 PM
Read on another forum. If a Bill passes House & Senate it could take any of these numbers.

Average: 263.57 days
Median: 215 days

greyhair
04-29-2015, 09:52 PM
Read on another forum. If a Bill passes House & Senate it could take any of these numbers.

Average: 263.57 days
Median: 215 days

This is not statistical or mathematical problem. Some bills take many years worth of work and nothing happens. That means for those years, until just before that bill passes, statistically the chance of success is zero because that bill never passed before, that too for many years. But all of a sudden, one fine day the bill passes the Congress.

It just means one thing. Stats only apply to domains that are logical. There is no linear logic or pattern to law making or Congress. So the numbers that you posted, average/median/mode/mean/range none of these are relevant to this subject.

greyhair
04-29-2015, 09:55 PM
Read on another forum. If a Bill passes House & Senate it could take any of these numbers.

Average: 263.57 days
Median: 215 days

One more thing other forum is full of twisted people with lots of free time who have nothing better to do. They waste their time everyday day thinking they make the earth spin on its axis :rolleyes: Try not to waste your time there :D

stan1IV
04-30-2015, 09:54 AM
One more thing other forum is full of twisted people with lots of free time who have nothing better to do. They waste their time everyday day thinking they make the earth spin on its axis :rolleyes: Try not to waste your time there :D

It is not an immigration forum. General bill to Law forum with that stat.
:)

waitingnwaiting
04-30-2015, 10:31 AM
It is not an immigration forum. General bill to Law forum with that stat.
:)

Those websites are created so that people can crowdsource their opinion and rate bills. It is easy to pull in bill data and create such websites. Then they overlay online petitions on top of this. Then they try and collect your email ID at the very least. If not, then the website traffic is good for display advertising money.

You always need to read which company owns a website you browse. It does not take much time. I am surprised that this community is majority IT people and they still think these websites are genuine. :)

hil3182
05-01-2015, 09:20 AM
Looks like we have another co-sponsor, total of 29: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213/cosponsors

spicy_guy
05-01-2015, 10:27 AM
Looks like we have another co-sponsor, total of 29: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213/cosponsors

Keep it coming, Uncle Sam! :-)

hil3182
05-01-2015, 12:43 PM
Keep it coming, Uncle Sam! :-)

Actually, it was two new co-sponsors.

The big one is Cathy MacMoris Rogers who is the #4 Republican in the house.

She will probably be very influential in getting this bill a vote on the house.

IV has a link on the front page of their FB page thanking her for her support. People should like that post and add a line thanking her for her support. It will help the bill get a vote.

spicy_guy
05-01-2015, 01:41 PM
Actually, it was two new co-sponsors.

The big one is Cathy MacMoris Rogers who is the #4 Republican in the house.

She will probably be very influential in getting this bill a vote on the house.

IV has a link on the front page of their FB page thanking her for her support. People should like that post and add a line thanking her for her support. It will help the bill get a vote.

+10. Little things add up!

neodyn55
05-01-2015, 02:35 PM
The congressmen/women in the constituency around me have agreed to support this bill, but I was wondering what I could do to convince other politicians in other constituencies? (short of visiting them)?

Will a (physical) letter, or letters be taken seriously? I'm encouraging my friends to go visit as well.

hil3182
05-01-2015, 02:51 PM
The congressmen/women in the constituency around me have agreed to support this bill, but I was wondering what I could do to convince other politicians in other constituencies? (short of visiting them)?

Will a (physical) letter, or letters be taken seriously? I'm encouraging my friends to go visit as well.

What's your zip code?

neodyn55
05-01-2015, 09:08 PM
I'm in Santa Clara, CA.

hil3182
06-05-2015, 10:15 AM
Hello,

Congressman Chaffetz just did a short interview on HR.213 and the problems he is facing getting a vote on the same.

It would be very helpful if people liked the link to the interview on our FB page: https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/927949153937976

Thank you.

Viskon
06-05-2015, 11:44 AM
Probably also like the link on his FB too, in addition to the IV link.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=212373730233

hil3182
06-08-2015, 05:37 PM
For those of you who don't follow us on FB, Rep. Dan Newhouse and Rep Dave Trott have agreed to co-sponsor. Congress.gov will be updated in the forthcoming days.

The announcement on FB is here:
https://www.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/posts/930055033727388

The announcements on Twitter are below:
https://twitter.com/immivoice/status/608019348591153152
https://twitter.com/immivoice/status/608019096979054595
https://twitter.com/immivoice/status/608018172776710147



It would be helpful to our cause of you "liked" the FB post, and "quote" retweeted the tweets above.

Thank you.

waitinglongtime
06-08-2015, 06:33 PM
Everyone,

Please keep H.R.213 Bill in #1 position under Most-Viewed Bill web page. Now it is in 5th position.

https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/Most-Viewed+Bills

Please click following link and make it in your internet browser as home page.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213

Thanks..:):):)

uhsarp
06-09-2015, 11:34 AM
Why can't H.R.213 be merged into the EB5 extension bill? So that the chances off success of this will be immensely high.

hil3182
06-09-2015, 11:58 AM
Why can't H.R.213 be merged into the EB5 extension bill? So that the chances off success of this will be immensely high.

This is one way to solve the problem. However the Senate version of EB5 extension does NOT remove per-country caps for all EB's - just EB-5.

We have so many enemies that they took the trouble to just remove per-country cap for EB-5 and not all EB - even though the need to remove it for all EB has been widely acknowledged.

Here is the Senate EB-5: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1501is/pdf/BILLS-114s1501is.pdf

Our best shot to get per-country cap removed for all EB is to push for HR.213. Getting an obscene number of co-sponsors for HR.213 serves two purposes - firstly to get HR.213 its-self a vote and secondly to give us cover to add per-country removal to other "must pass" immigration bills.

Make no mistake, getting per-country cap removal to other "must pass" bills is no easier than HR.213 alone because the people who champion for other bills (like say EB-5) have their own priorities that might not necessarily coincide with our own.


If people are sitting on their butts thinking that this will happen by its-self with EB-5 extension (or any other "must pass" bill), and we are wasting our time with HR.213 - they are dead wrong. If anything gets done with EB-5, it will be because we pushed so hard for HR.213, and got so many co-sponsors that GOP leadership decided that EB-5 will get more votes because they added per-country cap removal.

Conversely, if per-country cap removal fails (either by it's self or as attached to another bill), it will be the fault of people who sat on their butts, prognosticating about EB-5, waiting for something to happen and did nothing to contribute to IV's efforts for HR.213.

uhsarp
06-09-2015, 12:01 PM
"Getting an obscene number of co-sponsoers".. What's the minimum number we are aiming for?

This is one way to solve the problem. However the Senate version of EB5 extension does NOT remove per-country caps for all EB's - just EB-5.

We have so many enemies that they took the trouble to just remove per-country cap for EB-5 and not all EB - even though the need to remove it for all EB has been widely acknowledged.

Here is the Senate EB-5: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1501is/pdf/BILLS-114s1501is.pdf

Our best shot to get per-country cap removed for all EB is to push for HR.213. Getting an obscene number of co-sponsors for HR.213 serves two purposes - firstly to get HR.213 its-self a vote and secondly to give us cover to add per-country removal to other "must pass" immigration bills.

Make no mistake, getting per-country cap removal to other "must pass" bills is no easier than HR.213 alone because the people who champion for other bills (like say EB-5) have their own priorities that might not necessarily coincide with our own.


If people are sitting on their butts thinking that this will happen by its-self with EB-5 extension (or any other "must pass" bill), and we are wasting our time with HR.213 - they are dead wrong. If anything gets done with EB-5, it will be because we pushed so hard for HR.213, and got so many co-sponsors that GOP leadership decided that EB-5 will get more votes because they added per-country cap removal.

Conversely, if per-country cap removal fails (either by it's self or as attached to another bill), it will be the fault of people who sat on their butts, prognosticating about EB-5, waiting for something to happen and did nothing to contribute to IV's efforts for HR.213.

hil3182
06-09-2015, 12:06 PM
"Getting an obscene number of co-sponsoers".. What's the minimum number we are aiming for?

There is no such thing. We need to keep the pressure going until they either bring it up for a vote or bundle it with something else (like EB-5).

Rep Chaffetz is pushing hard for a vote on HR.213. We will know we have enough when they vote on it: Chaffetz: GOP ‘missed opportunity’ on immigration reform | TheHill (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/244095-chaffetz-gop-missed-opportunity-on-immigration-reform)

uhsarp
06-09-2015, 12:07 PM
There is no such thing. We need to keep the pressure going until they either bring it up for a vote or bundle it with something else (like EB-5).

Rep Chaffetz is pushing hard for a vote on HR.213. We will know we have enough when they vote on it: Chaffetz: GOP ‘missed opportunity’ on immigration reform | TheHill (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/244095-chaffetz-gop-missed-opportunity-on-immigration-reform)

Thanks. I live in the district represented by Chaffetz. Maybe I should go meet him and thank him for what he's doing.

hil3182
06-09-2015, 12:08 PM
Thanks. I live in the district represented by Chaffetz. Maybe I should go meet him and thank him for what he's doing.

Yes you could.

You should also visit other R districts in Utah and ask them to co-sponsor with Chaffetz.

uhsarp
06-09-2015, 12:10 PM
Yes you could.

You should also visit other R districts in Utah and ask them to co-sponsor with Chaffetz.

Great. I will call their offices up and plan a trip. Might as well do a tiny bit to help the cause instead of complaining on the forums.

uhsarp
06-09-2015, 12:12 PM
Yes you could.

You should also visit other R districts in Utah and ask them to co-sponsor with Chaffetz.

So how does it work? Should I call in their offices and schedule an appointment to go meet them? Any pointers?

sengs
06-09-2015, 12:12 PM
Great. I will call their offices up and plan a trip. Might as well do a tiny bit to help the cause instead of complaining on the forums.

There you go. Congratulations!

hil3182
06-09-2015, 12:19 PM
Great. I will call their offices up and plan a trip. Might as well do a tiny bit to help the cause instead of complaining on the forums.

Thank you.

Keep in mind, the meeting is only the first step. At the meeting the staffer will usually tell you that they understand the problem, will explain the issue to their boss and will ask for a decision on co-sponsorship.

After the meeting, you will need to relentlessly (and politely) followup with the office 1-2 times a week, by phone and email to make sure that they don't forget to get to the point of asking their boss for a decision.

In our experience the followup is key. Most people make the mistake of doing a meeting and thinking the job is done - when infact it has just started.

Expect to followup for 4-6 weeks before you get a decision from the office. Persistence is key.

hil3182
06-09-2015, 12:22 PM
So how does it work? Should I call in their offices and schedule an appointment to go meet them? Any pointers?

PM me with your email address and phone number. We can do a short call and I will send your some background docs.

uhsarp
06-10-2015, 11:58 AM
PM me with your email address and phone number. We can do a short call and I will send your some background docs.

I've sent you a PM. Thanks!

uhsarp
06-11-2015, 04:38 PM
Guys, I was able to score a meeting with one of UT's congressman on July1. Any guidance/help is appreciated to make an effective meeting and to garner his support for the bill. Also I haven't represented Immigration Voice before. So I'll like to know if I need to be initiated or.....

hil3182
06-11-2015, 05:04 PM
Guys, I was able to score a meeting with one of UT's congressman on July1. Any guidance/help is appreciated to make an effective meeting and to garner his support for the bill. Also I haven't represented Immigration Voice before. So I'll like to know if I need to be initiated or.....

I sent you an email. We can talk this evening.

Thanks for the effort you are putting in.

hil3182
06-11-2015, 05:29 PM
Several people are asking what points they should make when callin their Reps asking for CO-SPONSORHIP:

Points to make are:
1. The extended backlog is creating a shadow workforce with ppl with less rights than Americans who are willing to trade compensation and benifits for job stability to protect their immigration status. This makes employers prefer employees from backlogged countries and puts American Workers at a disadvantage.
2. Contrary to what lobbyists are telling them, H1's cannot start jobs, innovate or contribute to the economy while stuck in backlog. HR.213 is an easy fix for this.
3. HR.213 does not add ANY Green Cards to the system.
4. IF THEY ASK about the impact on ROW, the impact on ROW is estimated to be a uniform 2-3 yr wait. This wait is reasonable and within the 6yrs of the H1.
5. Effects in your personal life.


The reason #1 and #2 are on top of the list because in our experience, framing our problems in terms that have the most impact on Americans delivers the best results. We have been doing this for way too long, so you will have to trust us on this.

IMNotACommonMan
06-12-2015, 09:32 AM
Several people are asking what points they should make when callin their Reps asking for CO-SPONSORHIP:

Points to make are:
1. The extended backlog is creating a shadow workforce with ppl with less rights than Americans who are willing to trade compensation and benifits for job stability to protect their immigration status. This makes employers prefer employees from backlogged countries and puts American Workers at a disadvantage.
2. Contrary to what lobbyists are telling them, H1's cannot start jobs, innovate or contribute to the economy while stuck in backlog. HR.213 is an easy fix for this.
3. HR.213 does not add ANY Green Cards to the system.
4. IF THEY ASK about the impact on ROW, the impact on ROW is estimated to be a uniform 2-3 yr wait. This wait is reasonable and within the 6yrs of the H1.
5. Effects in your personal life.


The reason #1 and #2 are on top of the list because in our experience, framing our problems in terms that have the most impact on Americans delivers the best results. We have been doing this for way too long, so you will have to trust us on this.

Excellent write up, the other day my friend called up his congressman Frank Pallone of NJ6 and these questions came up. They heard him patiently and assured him that they are going to forward his message to the congressman. I would like to thank both the Caller and the Staff member :) . Come on folks, every call matters.

uhsarp
06-12-2015, 12:04 PM
Several people are asking what points they should make when callin their Reps asking for CO-SPONSORHIP:

Points to make are:
1. The extended backlog is creating a shadow workforce with ppl with less rights than Americans who are willing to trade compensation and benifits for job stability to protect their immigration status. This makes employers prefer employees from backlogged countries and puts American Workers at a disadvantage.
2. Contrary to what lobbyists are telling them, H1's cannot start jobs, innovate or contribute to the economy while stuck in backlog. HR.213 is an easy fix for this.
3. HR.213 does not add ANY Green Cards to the system.
4. IF THEY ASK about the impact on ROW, the impact on ROW is estimated to be a uniform 2-3 yr wait. This wait is reasonable and within the 6yrs of the H1.
5. Effects in your personal life.


The reason #1 and #2 are on top of the list because in our experience, framing our problems in terms that have the most impact on Americans delivers the best results. We have been doing this for way too long, so you will have to trust us on this.

I have a question about #2 (Just playing a friendly devil's advocate). Without HR213, ROW guys who get GCs can still innovate? So doesn't that make #2 moot?

hil3182
06-12-2015, 12:55 PM
I have a question about #2 (Just playing a friendly devil's advocate). Without HR213, ROW guys who get GCs can still innovate? So doesn't that make #2 moot?

They are going to be stuck in backlog for 2-3 years. They still have time for innovation.

Some of us will get out GC's in our 50's and 60's which is not the age of innovation.

The ideal solution would involve no backlog and the only way to accomplish that is more EB GC's - which will not fly in the current political situation.

HR.213 creates a fair FIFO system where the costs of the backlog are spread evenly across all EB applicants and does so in a way that is not unreasonable.

arun_ramani
06-12-2015, 12:58 PM
Hi,

I just called John Kline's office (MN), spoke with immigration liaison and explained HR 213. She listened and mentioned that she would pass on to the congressman.

I have to add that she helped me with USCIS when my EAD was delayed. So I am hoping my relationship with the office would help in getting another sponsor.

Thanks

hil3182
06-12-2015, 01:07 PM
I have a question about #2 (Just playing a friendly devil's advocate). Without HR213, ROW guys who get GCs can still innovate? So doesn't that make #2 moot?

I don't think there is any need for me to call you. You seem to be a pretty sharp guy should be able to pickup any needed info from comments on this thread.

If you have specific questions, please post them here - so others could benefit from your efforts.

If you have time, do a post meeting write-up so we can learn from you.


Here are some tips off the top of my head:

Call and ask to talk to someone about immigration policy. If they say you have to call DC, say that you are happy to talk to an immigration caseworker and will rely on her to communicate your message to DC. The justification you can use is that the caseworker will probably have a pre-existing relationship with the staffer and will be more effective in communicating the message. The REAL reason is you are going through this is you want any excuse to be in the congressman's office since physical visits are taken much more seriously than phone calls. Since you are actually meeting your Congressman, this is moot to you - but others could benefit from this info.
People matter. The more people you can bring with you for your meeting, the better. That said, if you can't find people, don't be disheartened.
Read an internalize this post about following up: Immigration Voice - View Single Post - Major Announcement: Rep. Chaffetz introduced H.R.213 to eliminate per county limits (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/3587738-post151.html) . Followup 1-2 (or even 3 times a week) until you get a yes/no answer.

hil3182
06-12-2015, 01:12 PM
Hi,

I just called John Kline's office (MN), spoke with immigration liaison and explained HR 213. She listened and mentioned that she would pass on to the congressman.

I have to add that she helped me with USCIS when my EAD was delayed. So I am hoping my relationship with the office would help in getting another sponsor.

Thanks

Thank you. You now must follow up - relentlessly and politely.

uhsarp
07-01-2015, 01:24 PM
They are going to be stuck in backlog for 2-3 years. They still have time for innovation.

Some of us will get out GC's in our 50's and 60's which is not the age of innovation.

The ideal solution would involve no backlog and the only way to accomplish that is more EB GC's - which will not fly in the current political situation.

HR.213 creates a fair FIFO system where the costs of the backlog are spread evenly across all EB applicants and does so in a way that is not unreasonable.

I have the appt scheduled for later in the day on 7/1. My question about the ROW is that currently, ROW folks get their GCs faster. So they can innovate by starting companies (Even though we are still in the waiting line). From a Congressman's perspective, they don't care about the citizenship of these folks (If they are from India/china or ROW) and who gets the GCs faster??

Let me know if you would like me to rephrase my question.

hil3182
07-01-2015, 01:41 PM
I have the appt scheduled for later in the day on 7/1. My question about the ROW is that currently, ROW folks get their GCs faster. So they can innovate by starting companies (Even though we are still in the waiting line). From a Congressman's perspective, they don't care about the citizenship of these folks (If they are from India/china or ROW) and who gets the GCs faster??

Let me know if you would like me to rephrase my question.

Your argument is good.

Another way to phrase it is:

1. Companies and lobbyists are running around saying high skilled immigrants (i.e H1-B's ) create jobs and are a net positive to the U.S. economy.
2. 60% of H1-B's are from backlogged countries and they face lengthy delays for their GC's without which they cannot start companies and help the US economy.
3. With HR.213 everyone gets their GC in a reasonable period thus unleashing a lot of underused potential in the U.S. economy.

While the economic argument is powerful, please don't underestimate the impact of the personal argument. Please share your personal story with the staffer and talk about how the backlog has impacted you and your family.

The reason we emphathse the economic argument here is because people tend to talk only about their personal situation and not go into How the fix will benefit the broader society. Your personal story is what will motivate the staffer to talk to the congressman and the economic side is what he will talk to the congressman about - so both are important.

Thank you for doing your part.

waitingnwaiting
07-01-2015, 02:24 PM
Your argument is good.

Another way to phrase it is:

1. Companies and lobbyists are running around saying high skilled immigrants (i.e H1-B's ) create jobs and are a net positive to the U.S. economy.
2. 60% of H1-B's are from backlogged countries and they face lengthy delays for their GC's without which they cannot start companies and help the US economy.
3. With HR.213 everyone gets their GC in a reasonable period thus unleashing a lot of underused potential in the U.S. economy.

While the economic argument is powerful, please don't underestimate the impact of the personal argument. Please share your personal story with the staffer and talk about how the backlog has impacted you and your family.

The reason we emphathse the economic argument here is because people tend to talk only about their personal situation and not go into How the fix will benefit the broader society. Your personal story is what will motivate the staffer to talk to the congressman and the economic side is what he will talk to the congressman about - so both are important.

Thank you for doing your part.

economic argument is weak and needs to be reexamined in my opinion. There is no research with numbers to prove that. Most I have seen is anecdotal. Quoting a snapdeal founder or someone here and there cannot help make a generalized statement. Accept it that most H1Bs are low tiered H1Bs coming from unknown colleges and basically do grunt work. The top tiered H1Bs are the ones either coming out of top colleges around the world or in USA. They end up going to top companies and innovate. This does not mean low tiered H1Bs do not go to top companies. They do go there either directly or through a consultant but they only do low end work.

So when you want the Snapdeal founder to get a greencard, you have to look at his background. Is there any research to suggest that a low ranked college graduate doing low end H1B work has opened an attractive startup? or maybe this is simple: how many people in the queue after getting greencard start companies and employ more than 10 US citizens? Do we have a data on that? It is 10% or 50% or less than 1%? We do not know.

We should be working with some research organization to fund and conduct a study in this area so that we have better data to back us up. Why should so called experts like Ron Heros and wadhwanis be only doing research in this area. Why not immigrants who work in research fields actually take up this research and publish?

Likewise the emotional argument sounds like sobbing and asking for sympathy. The fact of life is just the opposite. The H1B immigrant's earning is much higher than average US citizen earning. They are more educated and live a better life. If there is a big emotional problem, why only 100 people out of 1 million showed up? Why IV does not have several million dollar budget to lobby? Why people cannot donate? The reality is that greencard issue lacks awareness and people have apathy.

In my opinion it is more of a fairness and justice issue that economic or emotional. By that I mean, workers need to be treated fairly and given equal wages as natives. There should be better protection laws and a system where workers are the real stakeholders and not lawyers and companies. The system needs to be equal to all. Currently there is discrimination against people from India and lets call it out clearly. ROW get unfair advantage. This was ok 30 years ago when Indians were not coming in large numbers so that laws were ok then. But with the shift with time, laws should also change.

The focus should be eliminating country limits and anti exploitation and protection laws for immigrants. Our community has slipped into their own personal ask lists based on their selfish needs and that has ruined a unified effort. Things like H4EAD, I140EAD, and other similar fixes are bullshit fixes because they do not fix the root cause and the real problem. This is why I said we people lack awareness and have no idea what to do when we sign an online petition or send a spam email.

waitingnwaiting
07-01-2015, 02:39 PM
More on why economic arguement is weak: Is there aresearch to suggest how US economy will perform if we stop H1B program or stop EB greencards? Maybe we just continue EB greencards for EB1 and EB2 and not EB3. Now let's make a case for EB3 and prove that EB3 is also engine for growth and they are best and the brightest.

So if we have proved that more H1Bs and EB greencards increase US economic growth, then does that mean, we double or triple H1Bs and greencards each year and then US economy will increase proportionally? if yes, then how about making it unlimited.

The family based immigration has the same problem. They hide behind the 'family ties' and 'family values' argument and increase people on government handouts every year. Nobody says that because any politician saying that will be seen against 'family values' but it is a known fact. So basically the burden of FB visa and H1B visa aka outsourcing visa brings down the EB visa issue. And that is a sad thing for all of us. Compound that problem with undocumented immigration and apathy among EB community and we have a real smelly and diseased diarrhea we are dealing with.

hil3182
07-01-2015, 02:49 PM
economic argument is weak and needs to be reexamined in my opinion. There is no research with numbers to prove that. Most I have seen is anecdotal. Quoting a snapdeal founder or someone here and there cannot help make a generalized statement. Accept it that most H1Bs are low tiered H1Bs coming from unknown colleges and basically do grunt work. The top tiered H1Bs are the ones either coming out of top colleges around the world or in USA. They end up going to top companies and innovate. This does not mean low tiered H1Bs do not go to top companies. They do go there either directly or through a consultant but they only do low end work.

Ok. Why don't you do the research and get it published in a respectable journal then?

So when you want the Snapdeal founder to get a greencard, you have to look at his background. Is there any research to suggest that a low ranked college graduate doing low end H1B work has opened an attractive startup? or maybe this is simple: how many people in the queue after getting greencard start companies and employ more than 10 US citizens? Do we have a data on that? It is 10% or 50% or less than 1%? We do not know.

Economic argument we use is great because lawmakers are being bombarded with the same argument from companies arguing for more H1's (with thick stacks of bullshit "research").

Our argument is simple - an "innovator" cannot perform upto their potential without complete job mobility and freedom to start a company if they so choose.

We do talk about H1-B abuse and about how getting paid low wages by abusive employers causes a large human and economic toll - by driving down wages for US workers. We do talk about how abusive employers prefer H1-B workers to Americans.

Note how our message above targets both the Human and Economic costs of the abusive system. Unlike you, we have had years to refine our message and know that it works.


We should be working with some research organization to fund and conduct a study in this area so that we have better data to back us up. Why should so called experts like Ron Heros and wadhwanis be only doing research in this area. Why not immigrants who work in research fields actually take up this research and publish?

Again, go ahead and publish. If you need support, please feel free to reach out. There is no shortage of people on the web who want to add to my (and my fellow volunteers) task list, but are unwilling to do anything themselves.

Likewise the emotional argument sounds like sobbing and asking for sympathy. The fact of life is just the opposite. The H1B immigrant's earning is much higher than average US citizen earning. They are more educated and live a better life. If there is a big emotional problem, why only 100 people out of 1 million showed up? Why IV does not have several million dollar budget to lobby? Why people cannot donate? The reality is that greencard issue lacks awareness and people have apathy.
By it's self the emotional argument is useless, that is why we pair it with the economic argument.

In my opinion it is more of a fairness and justice issue that economic or emotional. By that I mean, workers need to be treated fairly and given equal wages as natives. There should be better protection laws and a system where workers are the real stakeholders and not lawyers and companies. The system needs to be equal to all. Currently there is discrimination against people from India and lets call it out clearly. ROW get unfair advantage. This was ok 30 years ago when Indians were not coming in large numbers so that laws were ok then. But with the shift with time, laws should also change.
Ok. If you feel like you can articulate the argument - you should make the argument when you visit your lawmaker's office(s) like usharp is doing.

The focus should be eliminating country limits and anti exploitation and protection laws for immigrants. Our community has slipped into their own personal ask lists based on their selfish needs and that has ruined a unified effort. Things like H4EAD, I140EAD, and other similar fixes are bullshit fixes because they do not fix the root cause and the real problem. This is why I said we people lack awareness and have no idea what to do when we sign an online petition or send a spam email.

Indeed. Please feel free to do something about the situation like usharp is.

hil3182
07-01-2015, 02:53 PM
More on why economic arguement is weak: Is there aresearch to suggest how US economy will perform if we stop H1B program or stop EB greencards? Maybe we just continue EB greencards for EB1 and EB2 and not EB3. Now let's make a case for EB3 and prove that EB3 is also engine for growth and they are best and the brightest.

So if we have proved that more H1Bs and EB greencards increase US economic growth, then does that mean, we double or triple H1Bs and greencards each year and then US economy will increase proportionally? if yes, then how about making it unlimited.

The family based immigration has the same problem. They hide behind the 'family ties' and 'family values' argument and increase people on government handouts every year. Nobody says that because any politician saying that will be seen against 'family values' but it is a known fact. So basically the burden of FB visa and H1B visa aka outsourcing visa brings down the EB visa issue. And that is a sad thing for all of us. Compound that problem with undocumented immigration and apathy among EB community and we have a real smelly and diseased diarrhea we are dealing with.

Lawmakers and their offices are bombarded with research. The arguments we make are:

Simple and easy to make
Make the point that both us (backlogged H1's), the constituents and the economy will benifit from HR.213
True.


Also, we do talk about the fairness argument, but fairness in a vacuum will not work - there needs to be more to it.

Administrator2
07-01-2015, 02:54 PM
I have the appt scheduled for later in the day on 7/1. My question about the ROW is that currently, ROW folks get their GCs faster. So they can innovate by starting companies (Even though we are still in the waiting line). From a Congressman's perspective, they don't care about the citizenship of these folks (If they are from India/china or ROW) and who gets the GCs faster??

Let me know if you would like me to rephrase my question.



Your intent is good but your phrasing of the argument sounds more like a frog in a well that doesn't want others to do better than you. The way you have presented (see in bold above) it seems like saying others are getting ahead and they can contribute, and that is wrong.

Another way to say this would be to keeping it simple, which is consistent with the overall intent -


Right now some folks in the system get preferential treatment.
H.R.213 will ensure that everyone is treated equally on first come first serve basis, which is the most American concept.
EB green card system is based of the talent, skill, education, innovation etc. But under the system the EB green cards are allocated based on country of birth, as if country of birth is a skill.
We are not asking for handout or preferential treatment, we are asking for fairness


You want to utilize your face time with the lawmaker's office judiciously. Try to avoid mentioning anything about H-1B or L-1 visa system unless asked or specifically mentioned by the Staffer or Representative. But if they mention it, then we are never shy of being honest in attacking H1 and L1 system and calling it Federal Government funded bonded worker program. Congress created this system. We are victims, and so are US workers. Congress has the power to change the system. They can start with removing per-country limits. But overall, if in any system an employee to bound to an employer for long period of time then employer will have more control over those employees. That creates wrong incentive for bad employers to hire more immigrants on H1 visa over US workers."

Truth is the best defense in any argument. So always keep in mind that:
1.) You are not meeting with lawmaker to defend the flawed system
2.) You need to argue in favor of H1/L1 system
3.) You should not have to defend or explain Disney or Southern California.

If anytime H1 or L1 issues comes up, or if someone mentions Disney or Southern California, never ever be scared to attack H1 system by saying that Congress created that system and the current Congress is protecting that system by not reforming it. The truth is that we are the victim of the system, and that is why we are asking for this reform to remove per country limits. Also say that - you don't get up every morning saying that "today I want to be exploited or today I want to take someone's job or today I want to drive down wages. Congress created this system. You have the power to change it, lets start with this bill H.R.213"

If it comes to it, also say this -
In his book 'Wealth of Nations' Adam Smith said that - in a room full of people, if handful of people are less equal that others, that means no one is equal to anyone else.

This means - in a marketplace of 110 million workers if 1 million immigrant workers have less rights, then no one is equal to anyone else. And that is how the current H1 and L1 system ensure less rights for a million people bonded to the same employer for decades, which distorts the job market. And this is the real cause of Disney and Southern California issue, which is just the tip of the ice burg.

In a system when some people have less right (H1/L1/pending green card workers), then those people will be more attractive to employer because employers will have more control over them. But these people with less rights (H1/L1/pending green card workers) will be exploited. And as a by-product of such a system, the people with more rights (US workers) will be discriminated against - which is what you see at Disney and Southern CA.

Conventional wisdom will have it that in any system people with more rights will land more opportunities, so if immigrants have less rights, then somehow US workers will be at advantage. But in the real world, it is totally counter-intuitive where immigrants with less rights are more attractive to the employers, which is why they are more likely to land a job than US workers. That is why there were 233,000 H1 petitions filed within a week. If you extrapolate 233,000 in a week, it comes to 10 million jobs. Ask the staffer or Representative or Senator - Are there 10 million jobs in American waiting to be filled in? If not, then the 233,000 H1 petitions in a week only signify one thing - the greed of WORST kind of employers to profit from people with less rights. If that is what Congress wants, then lets increase H1 to 10 million and not care for green cards or rights of the people. But also, please don't forget that every time Congress increases H1 visas, you see only see the Disney and Southern CA as a side-effect where US workers are discriminated against.

In the end, the real issue is "RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS". RIGHTS and FREEDOM have always been at the heart if every struggle, and this is no different. People want green cards because green card ensure certain rights and freedom.

If anyone in truly interested to fix the system then please focus on giving immigrants the basic rights - including the right to change employer with as much ease as others in the marketplace. In the current system, these rights come only with a Green Card. But no where in the law it says that immigrants on H1/L1 can only change jobs with as much ease as others unless they have green cards.

That is why, as a first step, for fixing the system, we are asking you to please look at the facts and not get swayed by anti-facts spread by the well oiled machinery of tech companies and immigration lawyers.

This is not about immigrant workers v/s US workers. This is about handful of large tech businesses and everyone else including, US workers, immigrant workers, society, economy and potential small businesses that could be started by people who will start their companies after they get their green cards.

uhsarp
07-01-2015, 02:57 PM
Your argument is good.

Another way to phrase it is:

1. Companies and lobbyists are running around saying high skilled immigrants (i.e H1-B's ) create jobs and are a net positive to the U.S. economy.
2. 60% of H1-B's are from backlogged countries and they face lengthy delays for their GC's without which they cannot start companies and help the US economy.
3. With HR.213 everyone gets their GC in a reasonable period thus unleashing a lot of underused potential in the U.S. economy.

While the economic argument is powerful, please don't underestimate the impact of the personal argument. Please share your personal story with the staffer and talk about how the backlog has impacted you and your family.

The reason we emphathse the economic argument here is because people tend to talk only about their personal situation and not go into How the fix will benefit the broader society. Your personal story is what will motivate the staffer to talk to the congressman and the economic side is what he will talk to the congressman about - so both are important.

Thank you for doing your part.

Cool. Also the meeting is directly with Congressman Chris Stewart. Hopefully we will get him to become a co-sponsor.

GC2022
07-01-2015, 03:02 PM
"So when you want the Snapdeal founder to get a greencard, you have to look at his background. Is there any research to suggest that a low ranked college graduate doing low end H1B work has opened an attractive startup? or maybe this is simple: how many people in the queue after getting greencard start companies and employ more than 10 US citizens? Do we have a data on that? It is 10% or 50% or less than 1%? We do not know"

Snapdeals founder background is that he did some courses from U penn/Wharton. I donot think Snapdeal is an innovative company - in my opinion Snapdeal is lowend in the innovative spectrum.

I did my masters program from a university which you might consider low ranked - University of missouri - Rolla, I have been waiting for 4 years now to take ownership of the startup i started ( so far i had to request a friend who is a greencard holder who runs it).

Your assumption about "low end work" and "low ranked" universities is BS in this case. Specifically because out of 100 Jobs 90 wont apply to our situation, Even worse for smaller startups. If you are not even eligible to apply to 90% of the Jobs - how do you extrapolate the message about the abilities of the individual and in effect conclude that she/he does low end work?

hil3182
07-01-2015, 03:23 PM
Cool. Also the meeting is directly with Congressman Chris Stewart. Hopefully we will get him to become a co-sponsor.

As you can see above, there are many arguments you can make in favor of HR.213.

Please pick the ones you are most comfortable with for you initial pitch. Try to keep the interaction conversational. If you are successful, the arguments you missed in your initial pitch will come up naturally.

If it isn't too late I suggest you take a printout of the summary page and the co-sponsors of HR213 with you.

Good luck!!!

uhsarp
07-01-2015, 04:16 PM
As you can see above, there are many arguments you can make in favor of HR.213.

Please pick the ones you are most comfortable with for you initial pitch. Try to keep the interaction conversational. If you are successful, the arguments you missed in your initial pitch will come up naturally.

If it isn't too late I suggest you take a printout of the summary page and the co-sponsors of HR213 with you.

Good luck!!!

Thank you very much!! And I did print the HR213 bill page with the Co-sponsor list. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (the sponsor of this bill) knows Rep. Chris Stewart very well. In fact they represent bordering districts.

Also, Thanks Administrator2. This exercise of me meeting the Congressmen is a good thing not just to get his support for HR 213 but to establish a relationship with his office so that we can lend our voices on future issues instead of laying low like a couch potato and complaining that the system is broken. Also, I'll get to learn something about advocacy!

uhsarp
07-02-2015, 12:13 AM
Rep. Chris Stewart's agreed to support. But I think I have to follow up with him over the next couple of weeks to ensure that he signs up as a Co-sponsor.
I'm just curious. What's the process for a Rep. to Co-sponsor an existing bill?

hil3182
07-02-2015, 07:15 AM
Rep. Chris Stewart's agreed to support. But I think I have to follow up with him over the next couple of weeks to ensure that he signs up as a Co-sponsor.
I'm just curious. What's the process for a Rep. to Co-sponsor an existing bill?

Administrator2 is the real expert on the finer points of legislative procedure.

My recollection from Administrator2's discourse on the issue is the procedure is paper based. The congressman signs a piece of paper and sends it to Chaffetzs office. Chaffetz must then sign the same paper again and send it to another office.

Chaffetz can choose to not sign the piece of paper sent to him if he doesn't want that particular congressman's name on his bill. Chaffetz can also choose to delay signing the paper for other strategic reasons. However, the staffer will generally tell you when they sent the paper to Chaffetzs office.

Please continue to followup. Whether you succeed or fail to get the sponsorship, it is important that you tried. A certain percentage of congressmen will commit right away, a certain will commit after a few months of nagging and a certain percentage will never commit.

Thank you for your good work!!!

gopal008
07-02-2015, 02:36 PM
Below is what I got from my district congresswoman. I don't understand when she says not on the committee. Can senior members here decode it ?



Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 213, the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2015. I appreciate the time you have taken to inform me of your thoughts on this issue.

As you may know, H.R. 213 was introduced by Representative Jason Chaffetz from Utah on January 8, 2015, and was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. This bill would remove the caps placed on countries for employment-based immigration and would increase the caps placed on countries for family-based immigration, from seven percent to fifteen percent of the total number of family-sponsored visas. This bill would also implement per country distribution rules for EB-2 and EB-3 visas. High-skilled employees help spur economic development and create thousands of well-paying jobs for Americans across the country. Our current immigration policy is insufficient to meet the needs that prospective high-skilled immigrants fulfill and we are slowly losing entrepreneurs and innovators to competitors overseas. As Congress continues, I will look for ways to improve our visa programs in a manner that promotes job creation and bolsters the U.S. economy. While I am not on this committee, please know that I will certainly keep your thoughts in mind should this bill pass out of committee and come before the full House of Representatives for a vote.

Thank you again for contacting me. Your thoughts and opinions are of critical importance to me as I work to represent Indiana's 5th District in Congress. I sincerely appreciate your comments and look forward to hearing from you in the future.

gopal008
07-02-2015, 02:38 PM
This is response from Susan Brooks Indiana congresswoman.

hil3182
07-02-2015, 02:58 PM
Below is what I got from my district congresswoman. I don't understand when she says not on the committee. Can senior members here decode it ?

She is saying that she isn't on judiciary so there is nothing she can do.

A good response will cover the following points:

Thank the congressman for their reply
Mention that you are a constituent
Mention how this issue affects your and your family's life
Mention that you would appreciate her taking another look at the bill with a view to co-sponsoring it
Mention that the reason you are asking for co-sponsorship is you have been informed that getting co-sponsors is key to getting a vote for this bill.
If you have friends (and their dependents) in her district in the same situation, mention that you personally know "x" people in her district who are affected by this.
Tell her she can reach out to Congressman's Chaffetz's office about details of this bill if they have any questions (if she is a Republican - Lofgren's office if she is a Democrat).
Thank her again for her support even though she isn't on the appropriate committee.


If you want to post a draft response on this forum, we will be happy to review it for you. I am sure others could use your draft if they get similar responses from their congressman's office.

Viskon
07-02-2015, 06:37 PM
Below is what I got from my district congresswoman. I don't understand when she says not on the committee. Can senior members here decode it ?

I got the exact same, word-for-word, response from Congresswoman Brooks' office.

I assume you are in Indianapolis. I'll PM you and see if we can get together and go to her office, or to one of her open-houses, and try again.

Administrator2
07-02-2015, 10:59 PM
I got the exact same, word-for-word, response from Congresswoman Brooks' office.

I assume you are in Indianapolis. I'll PM you and see if we can get together and go to her office, or to one of her open-houses, and try again.

Yes, that is a good idea. Team up with gopal008 and pay a visit to the local office together. Tell them what hil3182 suggested. Build a relationship with the local staffers and then continue to follow-up with them till you get co sponsorship of the office. Persistent follow-up is going to be the key.

rupen
07-05-2015, 09:38 PM
Rubio’s ‘guest-worker’ bill would expand Disney-style layoffs (http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/07/rubio-guest-worker-bill-would-expand-disney-style-layoffs/)

rsr_am
07-06-2015, 11:46 AM
bumped into this today. John Boehner pledge: Immigration reform top of agenda (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/john-boehner-pledge-immigration-reform-top-of-agenda-1.2273040)

while we continue with our calls/followups/meets for co-sponsorship, coming straight from the speaker could mean something. perhaps the EB-5 ?? (last time around when 3012 was help up in senate, it was due to some irish related issue, no?)

rupen
07-06-2015, 12:20 PM
bumped into this today. John Boehner pledge: Immigration reform top of agenda (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/john-boehner-pledge-immigration-reform-top-of-agenda-1.2273040)

while we continue with our calls/followups/meets for co-sponsorship, coming straight from the speaker could mean something. perhaps the EB-5 ?? (last time around when 3012 was help up in senate, it was due to some irish related issue, no?)

He has history of saying that throughout 2013 and 2014. Our focus should continue to be on 213.

hil3182
07-06-2015, 12:51 PM
He has history of saying that throughout 2013 and 2014. Our focus should continue to be on 213.

That's exactly right.

The Republican's are under pressure to do something on immigration - especially high skilled immigration.

The question is, are they going to do an H1 bill or our bill?

Articles like the one you posted earlier (Rubio’s ‘guest-worker’ bill would expand Disney-style layoffs) (http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/07/rubio-guest-worker-bill-would-expand-disney-style-layoffs/) make HR.213 a much easier sell.

hil3182
07-06-2015, 01:06 PM
Rep. Chris Stewart's agreed to support. But I think I have to follow up with him over the next couple of weeks to ensure that he signs up as a Co-sponsor.
I'm just curious. What's the process for a Rep. to Co-sponsor an existing bill?

If you are still around and following this thread - now is a good time to send out a "thank you" letter to the Rep and ask him if he has been able to come to a decision on co-sponsoring.

gccommando
07-06-2015, 01:17 PM
what difference does this would make....some body will be ready to block it

hil3182
07-06-2015, 01:20 PM
what difference does this would make....some body will be ready to block it

Can you clarify your question?

gccommando
07-06-2015, 01:30 PM
iam just saying any fruitful bill to the EB community doesn't pass the house with out its share of hurdles and delays...passing both senate and house is a herculean task with out a bipartisan agreement. we been seeing this for ages..

gccommando
07-06-2015, 01:34 PM
just lobbying a few senators or congressmen from a party to present a bill wouldnt work.Coordinating the members of both house and senate from both parties to agree to this bill would do the job.Until then this is just a lamp of hope

hil3182
07-06-2015, 01:44 PM
iam just saying any fruitful bill to the EB community doesn't pass the house with out its share of hurdles and delays...passing both senate and house is a herculean task with out a bipartisan agreement. we been seeing this for ages..

Passing any bill is a huge pain in the ass - it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

HR.213 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213) is bi-partisan (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/213/cosponsors) - it has both Republican's and Democrats on there.

Things aren't as close to as hopeless as you imply - they are actually looking pretty good. HR.213 is bi-partisan, no H1 bill will get any Democratic co-sponsors - you can look at the SKILS (https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2131/cosponsors) visa act which died in the 113th congress as an example.

The ideal (and most probable) outcome for us, is this small bill doesn't even get looked at as an immigration bill (because it changes no visa numbers) and quietly gets a vote in the near future because of the sheer number of co-sponsors.

The fallback options include, the Republican's feeling the heat to pass something immigration related and HR.213 is something they can point to. There are other options that I do not want to go into at this time.

Either way, things look good for this bill - we just need more co-sponsors - which we are gathering (with your help).

hil3182
07-06-2015, 02:02 PM
just lobbying a few senators or congressmen from a party to present a bill wouldnt work.Coordinating the members of both house and senate from both parties to agree to this bill would do the job.Until then this is just a lamp of hope

Why thank you - thank you for your advice!

I am sure it comes from a deep insight gained from years of lobbying and many dozens of bills that have become law thanks to your good efforts.

We are truly honored to have experienced lobbyists like you on our August forums dispensing advice.

I am happy to tell you that we do have a strategy for the senate, however said strategy is predicated on getting the bill through the house. We aren't irresponsible clueless idiots who don't know how a bill becomes law. If you don't believe me, you should check this (https://m.facebook.com/ImmigrationVoice/photos/a.377932512272979.88535.243363639063201/934265563306335/?type=1&source=48&_ft_=top_level_post_id.934265563306335&__tn__=E) out.

greyhair
07-06-2015, 02:51 PM
just lobbying a few senators or congressmen from a party to present a bill wouldnt work.Coordinating the members of both house and senate from both parties to agree to this bill would do the job.Until then this is just a lamp of hope

When you were at school, did you pass from grade 1 to 12 on the same day? Or did you go step by step? And growing up along the way did it occur to you to give up schooling because you might not pass in 9th grade as your neighbor did not make it?

Exactly the same way, this is step by step exercise. Not all grades have to passed together or on the same day, because that would be a setup for failure. Just because you believe that someone will put a hold doesnt mean that IV needs to give up. You can continue to believe whatever you want. Only those achieve success who refuse to give up and the success is the result of repeated attempts.

You can continue to not do anything in life thinking someone else will destroy it, so whats the use. Clearly folks at IV seem to think otherwise

ManjeetKohli
07-06-2015, 02:52 PM
Either way, things look good for this bill - we just need more co-sponsors - which we are gathering (with your help).


How many more co-sponsors are needed?

Thanks

hil3182
07-06-2015, 03:08 PM
How many more co-sponsors are needed?

Thanks

Read my post here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/3587732-post145.html)

sengs
07-06-2015, 03:11 PM
How many more co-sponsors are needed?

Thanks

Number of cosponsors doesn't matter here. HR3012 went to the floor with only 11 cosponsors. Situation was different then than now. Right now we have 39 cosponsors with many more pledged. It will depend upon the sponsoring member (here Rep. Chaffetz) to take the call. Until then, we must call the members who are inclined to, yet unsure so that we can maximize the numbers. More the merrier, and lesser the chance of losing (which I think is already very low).

sengs
07-06-2015, 03:29 PM
There are no absolute numbers of cosponsors that would define the smooth passage of a bill. More cosponsors we can add to this bill, the stronger this bill will be before going to the floor. With the latest set of numbers we already have 10% or more of the house as cosponsors, imagine if we can get that share to 20% or more, then when this bill goes to the floor, it will be easier for their colleagues to vote for this bill.

ne9897
07-08-2015, 05:00 PM
So I am trying to do my share and called the congressman for districts 1-10. I was able to speak to Ted Poe since I am from his district and he assured me of his support on this and said that historically he has always supported such causes. He said he will think abotu co-sponsoring.
For meetings, is it better to meet the congressman of your own district or do they meet everyone?

hil3182
07-08-2015, 05:09 PM
So I am trying to do my share and called the congressman for districts 1-10. I was able to speak to Ted Poe since I am from his district and he assured me of his support on this and said that historically he has always supported such causes. He said he will think abotu co-sponsoring.
For meetings, is it better to meet the congressman of your own district or do they meet everyone?

Meet everyone you can - unless they explicitly tell you otherwise. The assumption is if you can make it down to the district office - you are from the district.

hil3182
07-08-2015, 05:10 PM
So I am trying to do my share and called the congressman for districts 1-10. I was able to speak to Ted Poe since I am from his district and he assured me of his support on this and said that historically he has always supported such causes. He said he will think abotu co-sponsoring.
For meetings, is it better to meet the congressman of your own district or do they meet everyone?

Also, thank you for reaching out to Ted Poe. You are making a difference - our presence in the Houston area is weak. Most IV ppl from TX are from the Dallas Metroplex.

greenappletx
07-08-2015, 10:10 PM
I have called up Rep.Marchant (TX-24) and spoke his office staff, he assured that he will convey my message of co-sponsor and support to HR213. I am asking my friends, local colleagues, traveling colleagues to do the same, hope with IV and others support, this would become into law.

hil3182
07-08-2015, 10:15 PM
I have called up Rep.Marchant (TX-24) and spoke his office staff, he assured that he will convey my message of co-sponsor and support to HR213. I am asking my friends, local colleagues, traveling colleagues to do the same, hope with IV and others support, this would become into law.

Thank you. Volume is good - but persistence is much more valuable.

Please followup regularly. If you don't get the desired results in a few weeks, feel free to drive up to the district office to find out whats going on (i.e. "see if there is anything you can do help the congressman come to a decision").

Thank you again for your good work.

rupen
07-08-2015, 10:55 PM
Microsoft Lays Off Thousands While Demanding More H1-B Visas | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-while-demanding-more-h1-b-visas/)

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ne9897
07-09-2015, 09:54 AM
Most of the time when I call, I speak to someone in the staff who pick up the call, asks for my concern/reason for the call and says they will pass on the message. They take my name and address. Sometimes they put me on hold to find out if they know the Congressman's take on HR213. They come back and say they dont know yet, decision has not been made but they will tell him my thoughts.
Help me formulate a follow up call after say 3 days or so to the same office. Very likely someone else would pick up the phone. What do I say? What can I say to continue from my last conversation that can help it steer in the right direction?

phoenixwings
07-09-2015, 10:19 AM
43 Sponsors for H.R 213 today!! :)

hil3182
07-09-2015, 10:29 AM
Most of the time when I call, I speak to someone in the staff who pick up the call, asks for my concern/reason for the call and says they will pass on the message. They take my name and address. Sometimes they put me on hold to find out if they know the Congressman's take on HR213. They come back and say they dont know yet, decision has not been made but they will tell him my thoughts.
Help me formulate a follow up call after say 3 days or so to the same office. Very likely someone else would pick up the phone. What do I say? What can I say to continue from my last conversation that can help it steer in the right direction?

The key is to always talk to the same staffer. As soon as you call in make sure you ask to speak to someone on immigration policy (when talking to DC office). When you call in again, ask for that guy by name.

It takes a long time to get sponsorship. We estimate 50-100 followups on average. If you want to escalate, you can visit the District office - ask them if there is anything you can do to clear any doubts the congressman might have - like say meet him.

ne9897
07-09-2015, 10:40 AM
The key is to always talk to the same staffer. As soon as you call in make sure you ask to speak to someone on immigration policy (when talking to DC office). When you call in again, ask for that guy by name.

It takes a long time to get sponsorship. We estimate 50-100 followups on average. If you want to escalate, you can visit the District office - ask them if there is anything you can do to clear any doubts the congressman might have - like say meet him.

Thanks. I knew I was missing something. Hopefully future calls will be more effective.

InLineForGC
07-09-2015, 03:45 PM
Not to undermine efforts by IV but just wanted to share and get some insight into what are the facts:

D.C.’s favorite time-wasting scam: Cosponsoring bills - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/02/congress_favorite_time_wasting_scam_co_sponsoring_ bills/)

skrovvidi
07-09-2015, 04:46 PM
If the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals does grant O the right to legalize up to 5 million illegals, would did rebuff our effort?

hil3182
07-09-2015, 05:23 PM
Not to undermine efforts by IV but just wanted to share and get some insight into what are the facts:

D.C.’s favorite time-wasting scam: Cosponsoring bills - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/02/congress_favorite_time_wasting_scam_co_sponsoring_ bills/)

Facts are:

That is an empirical study on bills that have NOT been voted on. This bill was voted on before. It is a lot easier second time around - once a bill has a history like HR.213, it is viewed as a "safe" bill by house leadership.
The author notes that most bills die because sponsors don't champion the bill. Chaffetz on the other hand, is a dedicated champion (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/244095-chaffetz-gop-missed-opportunity-on-immigration-reform) of the bill.
We wouldn't be wasting peoples (and our) time if co-sponsorship didn't matter

hil3182
07-09-2015, 05:25 PM
If the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals does grant O the right to legalize up to 5 million illegals, would did rebuff our effort?

No. It would help our effort. These lawsuits are a huge distraction.

phoenixwings
07-10-2015, 10:11 AM
HR 213 has 44 sponsors now.

penguin80
07-14-2015, 09:35 AM
HR213 has now 45 cosponsors. But it seems it has been sitting in Subcommittee for far too long. HR3012 was passed in the house within 2 months of introduction. This bill has been sitting for 7months now.
Are we concentrating too much time getting cosponsors? I think we should be concentrating on the member who introduced the bill and the cosponsors and members of the Judicial committee to markup the bill for debate and hearings. I think Rep. Chaffetz is the right person to force the subcommittee to move the bill along.

skrovvidi
07-14-2015, 09:46 AM
We should reach out and find out the status from the The Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security:

Rep. Trey Gowdy, Chairman; Rep. Raul Labrador, Vice-Chairman
Rep. Smith
Rep. Lofgren
Rep. King
Rep. Guiterrez
Rep. Buck
Rep. Jackson Lee
Rep. Ratcliffe
Rep. Pierluisi
Rep. Trott

advik20
07-14-2015, 09:50 AM
HR213 has now 45 cosponsors. But it seems it has been sitting in Subcommittee for far too long. HR3012 was passed in the house within 2 months of introduction. This bill has been sitting for 7months now.
Are we concentrating too much time getting cosponsors? I think we should be concentrating on the member who introduced the bill and the cosponsors and members of the Judicial committee to markup the bill for debate and hearings. I think Rep. Chaffetz is the right person to force the subcommittee to move the bill along.

I agree the more it sits with no action highly possible it will get lost in oblivion.

rupen
07-14-2015, 09:54 AM
HR213 has now 45 cosponsors. But it seems it has been sitting in Subcommittee for far too long. HR3012 was passed in the house within 2 months of introduction. This bill has been sitting for 7months now.
Are we concentrating too much time getting cosponsors? I think we should be concentrating on the member who introduced the bill and the cosponsors and members of the Judicial committee to markup the bill for debate and hearings. I think Rep. Chaffetz is the right person to force the subcommittee to move the bill along.

Your observations are correct but they are correct only as far as they can be from ourside. If you had been to DC, you would not be asking these questions. Do not you think we would have already thought about this ? HR 3012 was introduced in 2011 and at that time situation was different. We would not be concentrating on co sponsors if it did not matter. We are not doing this because we like it or we want to keep doing something. Be assured that co sponsor goal that we have in the short term is derived after all necessary thinking. If you want to be part of how we derived at that thinking, you have to come to DC, otherwise, you will have to trust IV and take part in action items

sengs
07-14-2015, 10:07 AM
Your observations are correct but they are correct only as far as they can be from ourside. If you had been to DC, you would not be asking these questions. Do not you think we would have already thought about this ? HR 3012 was introduced in 2011 and at that time situation was different. We would not be concentrating on co sponsors if it did not matter. We are not doing this because we like it or we want to keep doing something. Be assured that co sponsor goal that we have in the short term is derived after all necessary thinking. If you want to be part of how we derived at that thinking, you have to come to DC, otherwise, you will have to trust IV and take part in action items

+1 Million Rupen.

Although HR3102 and HR213 have the same language and essentially the same bill, the former was introduce in 112th Congress when the situation was quite different from the 114th Congress. While at DC, Rep. Chaffetz came to our reception and explained to us why he wants more cosponsors before pushing for the bill. Hope you understand the situation and please help us with your efforts in getting more cosponsors.

konerusai
07-14-2015, 10:10 AM
I attended the last advocacy and has no doubt how IV and volunteers work...:)

Your observations are correct but they are correct only as far as they can be from ourside. If you had been to DC, you would not be asking these questions. Do not you think we would have already thought about this ? HR 3012 was introduced in 2011 and at that time situation was different. We would not be concentrating on co sponsors if it did not matter. We are not doing this because we like it or we want to keep doing something. Be assured that co sponsor goal that we have in the short term is derived after all necessary thinking. If you want to be part of how we derived at that thinking, you have to come to DC, otherwise, you will have to trust IV and take part in action items

InLineForGC
07-14-2015, 10:47 AM
Your observations are correct but they are correct only as far as they can be from ourside. If you had been to DC, you would not be asking these questions. Do not you think we would have already thought about this ? HR 3012 was introduced in 2011 and at that time situation was different. We would not be concentrating on co sponsors if it did not matter. We are not doing this because we like it or we want to keep doing something. Be assured that co sponsor goal that we have in the short term is derived after all necessary thinking. If you want to be part of how we derived at that thinking, you have to come to DC, otherwise, you will have to trust IV and take part in action items

Rupen - Agreed that attending the event in DC would have given us more insight into things, however the more IV explains how things work at backend, more the trust develops by itself. Some information is confidential and we understand that IV will not share and understandably so, however more insight into political and administrative processes and transparency about IV's approach to get things done will help people coming together for common cause. Needless to say, we all appreciate what IV is doing for everyone's benefit. Thanks again !!

sengs
07-14-2015, 10:50 AM
Rupen - Agreed that attending the event in DC would have given us more insight into things, however the more IV explains how things work at backend, more the trust develops by itself. Some information is confidential and we understand that IV will not share and understandably so, however more insight into political and administrative processes and transparency about IV's approach to get things done will help people coming together for common cause. Needless to say, we all appreciate what IV is doing for everyone's benefit. Thanks again !!

I just gave you (the forum)-the maximum information we are allowed to give, why we are looking for more cosponsors. Believe me there are not much story above or below that.

rbusgc
07-14-2015, 11:04 AM
I just gave you (the forum)-the maximum information we are allowed to give, why we are looking for more cosponsors. Believe me there are not much story above or below that.

Do we know how many more cosponsors to reach the threshold? Also please let me know if we have an active IV group in Charlotte, NC... we have couple of republican congressmen whom we could target (like Robert Pittinger).

sengs
07-14-2015, 11:09 AM
Do we know how many more cosponsors to reach the threshold? Also please let me know if we have an active IV group in Charlotte, NC... we have couple of republican congressmen whom we could target (like Robert Pittinger).

There are no upper limit of cosponsors.

We do have a very active team in Charlotte, NC. If you can PM me or hil3182 your name and contact info, either one of us will pass it on to the Charlotte team. They are wonderful people to work with.

moon_walker333
07-14-2015, 11:12 AM
+1 Million Rupen.

Although HR3102 and HR213 have the same language and essentially the same bill, the former was introduce in 112th Congress when the situation was quite different from the 114th Congress. While at DC, Rep. Chaffetz came to our reception and explained to us why he wants more cosponsors before pushing for the bill. Hope you understand the situation and please help us with your efforts in getting more cosponsors.

There is no denying that IV and its lead supporters have everyone's best interest at heart and are doing the right thing.

Sengs, I will appreciate if you can share a little bit from Rep. Chaffetz's explanation on why getting more co-sponsors is important this time around. My concern is that Rep. Chaffetz's has introduced total 18 Bills so far including H.R 213, in 114th congress. He has his hands full and quite possibly could get deviated towards more attractive/famous bills. Is someone from IV in touch with Rep. Chaffetz on regular basis?

sengs
07-14-2015, 11:13 AM
There is no denying that IV and its lead supporters have everyone's best interest at heart and are doing the right thing.

Sengs, I will appreciate if you can share a little bit from Rep. Chaffetz's explanation on why getting more co-sponsors is important this time around. My concern is that Rep. Chaffetz's has introduced total 18 Bills so far including H.R 213, in 114th congress. He has his hands full and quite possibly could get deviated towards more attractive/famous bills. Is someone from IV in touch with Rep. Chaffetz on regular basis?

This is his landmark bill and his topmost priority.

sengs
07-14-2015, 11:21 AM
I think I have given enough information why IV is looking for more cosponsors. If you would really like to know how things are happening behind the scenes, please don't stay in front of the screens and join our (your) efforts, and come on the other side of the screen, which is active help. We are always short of man power. More of us can get involved, the more quickly we can achieve this freedom. We need lots of help, especially folks from Republican districts (I gave you another hint here).

Thanks for your interest, folks. It is just not mine or IVs, it is with all our efforts we can bring this nightmare to an end.

hil3182
07-14-2015, 11:34 AM
There is no denying that IV and its lead supporters have everyone's best interest at heart and are doing the right thing.

Sengs, I will appreciate if you can share a little bit from Rep. Chaffetz's explanation on why getting more co-sponsors is important this time around. My concern is that Rep. Chaffetz's has introduced total 18 Bills so far including H.R 213, in 114th congress. He has his hands full and quite possibly could get deviated towards more attractive/famous bills. Is someone from IV in touch with Rep. Chaffetz on regular basis?

Short answer is yes. We have an excellent relationship with Chaffetz's office.

rbusgc
07-14-2015, 11:43 AM
There are no upper limit of cosponsors.

We do have a very active team in Charlotte, NC. If you can PM me or hil3182 your name and contact info, either one of us will pass it on to the Charlotte team. They are wonderful people to work with.

Thanks and please check your PM.

moon_walker333
07-14-2015, 01:24 PM
Short answer is yes. We have an excellent relationship with Chaffetz's office.

Thanks hil3182 and sengs. I will keep following up with the reps' office.

devenssd
07-19-2015, 10:39 AM
Hi IV,

Thank You for all your Hard work and dedication to our cause. I am currently residing in Savannah, GA. I would like to contact congressmen and senators from GA and particularly from Savannah area. Also are there any active members in this area who I could join in this effort since I am new to this.

Thank you all once again.

hil3182
07-20-2015, 08:41 AM
Hi IV,

Thank You for all your Hard work and dedication to our cause. I am currently residing in Savannah, GA. I would like to contact congressmen and senators from GA and particularly from Savannah area. Also are there any active members in this area who I could join in this effort since I am new to this.

Thank you all once again.

Thank you. Please fill out this form. We are working to organize this in a better way. We will also speak with newcomers either in 1-1 or similar format. Thank you for stepping up.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VYGG8dmcq6qn02-R2Wrl4g7x7GsZU3OQ7r6rNpZOp7o/viewform?usp=send_form

abcdgc
07-20-2015, 08:39 PM
Some unknown website posted a message that immigrants should "make noise for EAD for I140". That website named a few websites to "work together".

What do IV suggest that we do about this?

hil3182
07-21-2015, 09:09 AM
Some unknown website posted a message that immigrants should "make noise for EAD for I140". That website named a few websites to "work together".

What do IV suggest that we do about this?

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I am sure you know, Administrator2 responded here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3096358-what-should-we-do-about-making-noise-on-ead-for-i140.html).

Meanwhile, I would like to point out that our position on this kind of nonsense is hardly a secret. Over the years in multiple posts we made our position and reasoning very clear.

If you see stuff like this on other forums, you should feel free to push-back on their nonsense and lies on their forums, even at the risk of getting "banned". Some people get too attached to their anonymous online handles - and think it is a "brand" of some sort, when the reality is - what you say on forums and tweeting/emailing/signing petitions without a ground game doesn't really matter in the real world.

Speaking of the real-world, I would like to thank all 17 of you who have signed up to help us push for HR.213. I will close the signup sheet for the week on Thursday and be in touch with you regarding next steps.

phoenixwings
07-21-2015, 11:58 AM
One more co-sponsor added!

TithoshThomas
07-21-2015, 12:36 PM
I want to personally thank IV for the new report.
Its such a great releif if we dont have to file for new I 140 every time we change jobs.
but i read this in one site.
each country is allocated 2802 visa's every year for each quota.

so EB1 for 2015- 40k
according to data demand for this number is 5k. lets assume it becomes 20 k.which is 3k more than last year.
the spill over for that is 20 k

So EB2 for 2015- is 40k +20 K
EB2 for all countries
1997-2006 =1652
2007=1392
2008=4012
2009=10629
2010=6397

from all other countries except India and china in 2015= 1096(we only need to look at this as they all are current)
so the numbers add up to
All countries EB2 inventory upto 2010= 24122
taking out 1096 from rest(as they are current , i assume there wont be any spill over from that category) =23026
so the demand is 23026 for Total EB2. the visa's available is 60k.

if this is true , why can't they give us visa? what is the delay that is causing everyone being current?? are they just playing with everyone?

waitingnwaiting
07-21-2015, 01:06 PM
I want to personally thank IV for the new report.
Its such a great releif if we dont have to file for new I 140 every time we change jobs.
but i read this in one site.
each country is allocated 2802 visa's every year for each quota.

so EB1 for 2015- 40k
according to data demand for this number is 5k. lets assume it becomes 20 k.which is 3k more than last year.
the spill over for that is 20 k

So EB2 for 2015- is 40k +20 K
EB2 for all countries
1997-2006 =1652
2007=1392
2008=4012
2009=10629
2010=6397

from all other countries except India and china in 2015= 1096(we only need to look at this as they all are current)
so the numbers add up to
All countries EB2 inventory upto 2010= 24122
taking out 1096 from rest(as they are current , i assume there wont be any spill over from that category) =23026
so the demand is 23026 for Total EB2. the visa's available is 60k.

if this is true , why can't they give us visa? what is the delay that is causing everyone being current?? are they just playing with everyone?
The data is wrong. It is incomplete. And there are many variables.
So calculations cannot be done accurately on the web. Even DOS does speculative visa bulletins.

But some websites want to make money from the calculations you have done above. They keep calculating and confusing people.

Its better not to waste time on calculations and focus on advocacy IMHO

Administrator2
07-21-2015, 01:06 PM
I want to personally thank IV for the new report.
Its such a great releif if we dont have to file for new I 140 every time we change jobs.
but i read this in one site.
each country is allocated 2802 visa's every year for each quota.

so EB1 for 2015- 40k
according to data demand for this number is 5k. lets assume it becomes 20 k.which is 3k more than last year.
the spill over for that is 20 k

So EB2 for 2015- is 40k +20 K
EB2 for all countries
1997-2006 =1652
2007=1392
2008=4012
2009=10629
2010=6397

from all other countries except India and china in 2015= 1096(we only need to look at this as they all are current)
so the numbers add up to
All countries EB2 inventory upto 2010= 24122
taking out 1096 from rest(as they are current , i assume there wont be any spill over from that category) =23026
so the demand is 23026 for Total EB2. the visa's available is 60k.

if this is true , why can't they give us visa? what is the delay that is causing everyone being current?? are they just playing with everyone?



Please stop saying that Administration is "playing with you". That is just not true. You cannot start from a position of suspicion when you want someone to do something for you. So starting off with attacking USCIS as if they are deliberately not moving dates or allocating visas is a unhealthy starting point.

Also, is it possible that your numbers are not complete and there may be more than what you know?

waitingnwaiting
07-21-2015, 02:26 PM
Please stop saying that Administration is "playing with you". That is just not true. You cannot start from a position of suspicion when you want someone to do something for you. So starting off with attacking USCIS as if they are deliberately not moving dates or allocating visas is a unhealthy starting point.

Also, is it possible that your numbers are not complete and there may be more than what you know?

He must have heard such words from a lawyer website or somewhere else on a website. Such words criticizing USCIS make the reader feels that the owner of the website sympathize with poor immigrants and all fault lies with authorities. It helps them win business and more people to the website.

I think people are being played by the websites and not by USCIS and they do not even know about it. What an irony.

H1Bindia1975
07-21-2015, 11:34 PM
Hello

I have filled up the form as well and i agree that non sense tweets and spam mails are not going to take us any where. I wanted to participate in your advocacy even earlier unfortunately i am in middle of Job change and moving from TX to NJ. I will be done with move and settling down by middle or end of August and you can count me in from that time.

If there is something i or my wife can contribute for e.g. making a phone call while i am moving, please let us know.

Thanks
MK

essell
07-22-2015, 09:57 AM
Hello
If there is something i or my wife can contribute for e.g. making a phone call while i am moving, please let us know.Thanks
MK

H1Bindia1975, If you want to participate please PM me your contact and we can discuss further details.

phoenixwings
07-22-2015, 10:16 AM
One more co-sponsor added yesterday - count is now 48.

sengs
07-22-2015, 10:27 AM
One more co-sponsor added yesterday - count is now 48.

We have 2 more confirmed. :D

phoenixwings
07-22-2015, 01:05 PM
That's great!! :) Appreciate all that IV does for legal immigrants

ne9897
07-22-2015, 01:43 PM
We have 2 more confirmed. :D

Yayy! that is great.

ne9897
07-22-2015, 02:17 PM
When is this coming up for voting? Any idea?

waitingnwaiting
07-22-2015, 02:27 PM
When is this coming up for voting? Any idea?

I have heard it is next month on August 15. And president signs at midnight.

jleo9
07-22-2015, 02:46 PM
IV/Admin,

I live in NYC and would like to join the IV freedom march on August 16th. The location on the FB post says Madison Avenue, could you please let me know where exactly on Madison Avenue? Which street crossing?

Thanks and see you on the 16th.

whatsthetrend
07-22-2015, 02:55 PM
I understand that since a lot of people are in it should be legal. I am pretty late into the game. But I wanted confirm if we can, as non-immigrants, campaign/fund a lobby group that is seeking to change the law. I know non-immigrants cannot fund or volunteer for election campaigns.

Thanks in advance.

whatsthetrend
07-22-2015, 02:58 PM
Is it legal to seek services or lobby congressmen even though we are US aliens?

IMNotACommonMan
07-22-2015, 03:18 PM
IV/Admin,

I live in NYC and would like to join the IV freedom march on August 16th. The location on the FB post says Madison Avenue, could you please let me know where exactly on Madison Avenue? Which street crossing?

Thanks and see you on the 16th.

Please PM me you details, I will try and get someone to contact you.

jleo9
07-22-2015, 03:34 PM
Thanks, just sent you a PM with my details.