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Administrator2
05-06-2014, 08:52 AM
Important change coming today at 10am. Please standby for official announcement.

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hello
05-06-2014, 10:06 AM
Thank You IV for all the hard work!

asaxena
05-06-2014, 10:08 AM
Waiting............................

greendream26
05-06-2014, 10:39 AM
announcement done?? link please??

The Alchemist
05-06-2014, 10:47 AM
DHS Announces Proposals to Attract and Retain Highly Skilled Immigrants | Homeland Security (http://www.dhs.gov/news/2014/05/06/dhs-announces-proposals-attract-and-retain-highly-skilled-immigrants)

devndev
05-06-2014, 10:55 AM
Any idea on when this proposal would become the law ?

StarSun
05-06-2014, 10:58 AM
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DHS Announces Proposals to Attract and Retain Highly Skilled Immigrants

Release Date: May 6, 2014
For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

WASHINGTON — As part of the Administration’s continuing commitment to attract and retain highly skilled immigrants, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) today announced the publication of two proposed rules, including a rule to extend employment authorization to spouses of certain H-1B workers, and a proposal to enhance opportunities for certain groups of highly-skilled workers by removing obstacles to their remaining in the United States.

Together these actions will help attract new businesses and new investment to the U.S. and ensure that the U.S. has the most skilled workforce in the world.

“The proposed rules announced today provide important support to U.S. businesses while also supporting economic growth here in the U.S.,” said Deputy Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. “These steps will help the U.S. maintain competitiveness with other countries in our efforts to attract the best and the brightest high-skilled workers from around the world to support companies here at home. Businesses continue to need these high-skilled workers, and these rules ensure we do not cede the upper hand to other countries competing for the same talent.”

“These two proposed rule changes are an integral part of the Administration’s efforts to strengthen entrepreneurship and innovation, and to help the United States attract and retain highly skilled immigrants,” said U.S. Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker. “The fact is, we must do more to retain and attract world-class talent to the United States and these regulations put us on a path to doing that. These actions promise to unleash more of the extraordinary contributions that immigrants have always made to America’s innovation economy.”

Both Notices of Proposed Rulemaking will soon publish in the Federal Register. DHS encourages the public to comment on the proposed rules through Regulations.gov (http://www.regulations.gov). All public comments will be considered before the final rules are published and go into effect.

Proposed Rule to Extend Employment Authorization to Spouses of Certain H-1B Workers

This proposed rule will amend existing regulations to allow H-4 dependent spouses of certain principal H-1B workers to request employment authorization.

U.S. businesses use the H-1B program to employ foreign workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as science, engineering or computer programming. Frequently, employers will petition for an immigrant visa for an H-1B worker, which enables individuals to become lawful permanent residents. Lawful permanent residents are generally eligible to become naturalized U.S. citizens after five years.

Under existing regulations, DHS does not extend employment authorization to dependents (also known as H-4 nonimmigrants) of H-1B nonimmigrant workers. The change proposed by DHS, would allow H-4 dependent spouses of certain H-1B nonimmigrant workers to request employment authorization, as long as the H-1B worker has already started the process of seeking lawful permanent residence through employment.

Eligible individuals would include H-4 dependent spouses of principal H-1B workers who:

Are the beneficiaries of an approved Form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker; or
Have been granted an extension of their authorized period of stay in the United States under the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 (AC21) as amended by the 21st Century Department of Justice Appropriations Authorization Act. AC21 permits H-1B workers seeking lawful permanent residence to work and remain in the United States beyond the six-year limit.
Proposal to Enhance Opportunities for Highly-Skilled Workers
This proposed regulatory change would enhance opportunities for certain groups of highly-skilled and transitional workers by removing obstacles to their remaining in the United States.

Specifically, the change to the regulation would regulation would:

Update the regulations to include nonimmigrant high-skilled specialty occupation professionals from Chile and Singapore (H-1B1) and from Australia (E-3) in the list of classes of aliens authorized for employment incident to status with a specific employer,
Clarify that H-1B1 and principal E-3 nonimmigrants are allowed to work without having to separately apply to DHS for employment authorization.
Allow E-3, H-1B1 and CW-1 nonimmigrant workers up to 240 days of continued work authorization beyond the expiration date noted on their Form I-94, Arrival/Departure Record, while the extension request is pending.
It would affect workers in specialty occupation nonimmigrant classifications for professionals from Chile and Singapore (H-1B1) and Australia (E-3), as well as Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Island (CNMI)-Only Transitional Workers (CW-1).

Under current regulations, employers of workers in E-3, H-1B1, or CW-1 status must generally file a petition requesting the extension of the employee’s status well before the initial authorized duration of status expires.

Finally, this proposal would also expand the current list of evidentiary criteria for employment-based first preference (EB-1) outstanding professors and researchers to allow the submission of evidence comparable to the other forms of evidence already listed in the regulations. This proposal would harmonize the regulations for EB-1 outstanding professors and researchers with other employment-based immigrant categories that already allow for submission of comparable evidence.

For more information, please visit Homeland Security (http://www.dhs.gov).

unluckydude
05-06-2014, 11:11 AM
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DHS Announces Proposals to Attract and Retain Highly Skilled Immigrants

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Eligible individuals would include H-4 dependent spouses of principal H-1B workers who:

Are the beneficiaries of an approved Form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker; or
Have been granted an extension of their authorized period of stay in the United States under the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 (AC21) as amended by the 21st Century Department of Justice Appropriations Authorization Act. AC21 permits H-1B workers seeking lawful permanent residence to work and remain in the United States beyond the six-year limit.
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For more information, please visit Homeland Security (http://www.dhs.gov).

It means it is only for the H4 dependent spouses or all H4 dependents including spouses? The words "would include H4 dependent spouses" is little confusing....

mightywait
05-06-2014, 11:21 AM
Can the experts kindly explain to us what are the steps moving forward including approximate timelines as well as road blocks and challenges that might come up before this proposal can become law?

AcuraTSX
05-06-2014, 01:03 PM
So what does this do to remove the EB backlogs?

greendream26
05-06-2014, 01:23 PM
So what does this do to remove the EB backlogs?

It does nothing to EB backlog. It only allows H4 spouse to work if you have approved I-140.

GCTorture
05-06-2014, 01:44 PM
If it doesn't do anything to remove backlogs, I dont give a damn to it. You may call me selfish, but I don't care. Its 10 years of waiting....

smuggymba
05-06-2014, 01:50 PM
Great job IV. Getting it to DHS's consideration itself is a big achievement. Hope this rule is approved soon.

asaxena
05-06-2014, 02:17 PM
If it doesn't do anything to remove backlogs, I dont give a damn to it. You may call me selfish, but I don't care. Its 10 years of waiting....

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There is nothing we can do ,except wait.
Has any 2004 eb 3 India folks received any RFEs ...?

Green06
05-06-2014, 02:23 PM
Great Job IV. Congrats to all the H4s who have been patiently waiting. Thanks to Aman, Puneet an all the people who worked on this. We are waiting from last 14 years and my wife is on cloud 9 today. Thank you!!

GCTorture
05-06-2014, 02:42 PM
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There is nothing we can do ,except wait.
Has any 2004 eb 3 India folks received any RFEs ...?

I am curious why whould any 2004 Eb3 folks receive any RFE? The dates are still in September 2013.

RNGC
05-06-2014, 04:40 PM
Are the beneficiaries of an approved Form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker; or
Have been granted an extension of their authorized period of stay in the United States under the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 (AC21) as amended by the 21st Century Department of Justice Appropriations Authorization Act. AC21 permits H-1B workers seeking lawful permanent residence to work and remain in the United States beyond the six-year limit.

This is a grey area! Me and my wife have both EADs, my I-140 has been revoked few years back by my previous employer and I responded to NOID. So, I am in AC21 ? Is there any documentation that I am in the AC21 category ? Should USCIS send that I am under AC21 category ?

AcuraTSX
05-06-2014, 10:02 PM
Any idea on when this proposal would become the law ?

This is just a proposal by DHS. They have done this so many times in the past.

Also, this is just a "band-aid" solution. It may stop the bleeding for a while but soon the same ppl who benefit from this will cry for green card. Short term solutions are of no use.

EAD Vs Green card - which is greater?

sundarpn
05-06-2014, 11:17 PM
Nice to hear but crafty band-aid to quieten/temporarily pacify people like us who want more tangible fixes.

With approved I-140 of the primary, they should allow for dependent I-485 to filed when PD is not current. This would have given dependents work auth and ability to travel without dependency on primary's H1 (besides revenue for them)

pappu
05-07-2014, 07:10 AM
When we are trying to push for other fixes and legislative solutions people used to ask for H4 rule all the time. Now an update is given by DHS and people do not want this rule and want greencard instead?
It is strange. Because when we asked people to focus on greencard I used to get messages asking to focus on 'low hanging fruit'. There was also a survey conducted few years ago I have heard of tech folks on what fix they wanted. Majority wanted H4 rule for their spouses instead of choosing a greencard. So it looks like this has been the most awaited and sought after fix.

bsbawa10
05-07-2014, 07:52 AM
I am curious why whould any 2004 Eb3 folks receive any RFE? The dates are still in September 2013.

Because there no logic in things that USCIS or DOL does. Why is finger printing needed for some people who file EAD and not for others ? Why is finger printing needed every year for some who have filed their green cards ? Why is medical needed again if it has already been done ? Why was my I485 case transferred to California and not my wife's or son's who are my dependents ?
Same with DOL.
Why does PERM which was originally done to speed up the process takes upto 2 years if you get to Audit and takes 8-9 months if you do not ? Why random audit to ask trivial things like who paid for the process ? Could these not have been asked during filing ? Is it just to drag the process to 2 years ?

I have all these questions but feel so helpless and really there are no answers.

greyhair
05-07-2014, 08:13 AM
Because there no logic in things that USCIS or DOL does. Why is finger printing needed for some people who file EAD and not for others ? Why is finger printing needed every year for some who have filed their green cards ? Why is medical needed again if it has already been done ? Why was my I485 case transferred to California and not my wife's or son's who are my dependents ?
Same with DOL.
Why does PERM which was originally done to speed up the process takes upto 2 years if you get to Audit and takes 8-9 months if you do not ? Why random audit to ask trivial things like who paid for the process ? Could these not have been asked during filing ? Is it just to drag the process to 2 years ?

I have all these questions but feel so helpless and really there are no answers.

We are being treated the way we deserve. If we are short sighted and only want our personal next immediate problem to be fixed (without taking larger picture into account), then we land in situations where we have to ask the type in questions you asked. As pappu said, in survey majority of people wanted H4 EAD over green card. How dumb can we get. We just want to be slaves our employers and we are happy if our godly employer will let us serve them. H4 EAD after 6 years is like throwing a bone to a dog. This administration is treating undocumented like citizens under DACA, but guess what they have done for us, H4 EAD after waiting for 6 years. And people are going ecstatic. GREAT GOING my fellow immigrants. Keep serving your master and may the god make you the best slave in your department, the most faithful puppy of your boss. NEVER EVER learn to live free because we don't know what freedom is. Because we are so cheap, for us the freedom is H4 EAD. Which is why all of us have questions like the once bsbawa10 asked, but we don't have the balls to ask these questions from our employer or immigration lawyer or local congressman. We just go about doing our daily slave jobs to please our master, but make sure not to ask these questions from our boss because he might get upset to see you ask for more. We got H4 EAD. Now we all should be really very happy.

bsbawa10, I am not saying this to you. This is directed at every immigrant waiting in backlog.

pappu
05-07-2014, 10:00 AM
Because there no logic in things that USCIS or DOL does. Why is finger printing needed for some people who file EAD and not for others ? Why is finger printing needed every year for some who have filed their green cards ? Why is medical needed again if it has already been done ? Why was my I485 case transferred to California and not my wife's or son's who are my dependents ?
Same with DOL.
Why does PERM which was originally done to speed up the process takes upto 2 years if you get to Audit and takes 8-9 months if you do not ? Why random audit to ask trivial things like who paid for the process ? Could these not have been asked during filing ? Is it just to drag the process to 2 years ?

I have all these questions but feel so helpless and really there are no answers.

Why don't you ask these questions to the lawyer you have paid so much money? And your HR should be worried more, and helping you since you would leave them if they cannot keep a bright talent like you.
He should be taking all the headache of questions instead of you. You should just wait for the green card to arrive in mail after paying so much money :)

I think it is time we ask these questions. People are scared to question the gatekeepers and put all the blame on the agencies who are doing a good job considering the amount of work they handle. There are more than 1 million immigrants given green cards each year. Many more get all kinds of visas. No other country in the world can match this efficiency. But still people blame the agency and not lift a finger on the people who handle the case or should be advocating in the interest of applicants more.

AcuraTSX
05-07-2014, 10:07 AM
Well all this shows how short sighted “legally entered, educated immigrants” are. People who came illegally are looking for a more permanent fix while we haggle over EADs. Way to go!!!

Let’s atleast hope that the wait times to get EADs renewed will not get longer as this will impact everyone – primary applicant and dependent applicant.

Now that the “low hanging fruit” is plucked, can we see an admin fix for clearing backlogs ever?

Finally, congratulations to everyone who gets EAD under this rule.

bsbawa10
05-07-2014, 10:24 AM
I think it is time we ask these questions. People are scared to question the gatekeepers and put all the blame on the agencies who are doing a good job considering the amount of work they handle. There are more than 1 million immigrants given green cards each year. Many more get all kinds of visas. No other country in the world can match this efficiency. But still people blame the agency and not lift a finger on the people who handle the case or should be advocating in the interest of applicants more.[/QUOTE]

Wow, what make you think that I did not ask these questions to my lawyer or HR or congressman or even DOL director ? I have already knocked these doors. DOL sent me a standard printed reply. "blah blah we process things in the queue ..on first cum first same bases". Congressman sent me a reply, "It is good that you brought this to my attention,...we are working for the reforms ..." again a generic reply. Lawyer is non responsive. and HR says that lawyer knows better. Posing on IV makes people reply like this. I just wanted to share my frustrations and nothing else.
Also "agencies who are doing a good job". If this is a good job, then I do not know what bad job is ?

imh1b
05-07-2014, 10:25 AM
Well all this shows how short sighted “legally entered, educated immigrants” are. People who came illegally are looking for a more permanent fix while we haggle over EADs. Way to go!!!

Let’s atleast hope that the wait times to get EADs renewed will not get longer as this will impact everyone – primary applicant and dependent applicant.

Now that the “low hanging fruit” is plucked, can we see an admin fix for clearing backlogs ever?

Finally, congratulations to everyone who gets EAD under this rule.

Actually you should stop expecting any more admin fixes now.
Some dumb awholes sent flowers to USC office to stop EB1 abuse by Indians. They have now effectively closed the door now for all others EB2 and EB3. We are now seen as fighting with each other trying to complain about each other.

Do they know each EB2 porter is also a suspect. There are many people who have posted on forums how people port and this is also an abuse . Do these who sent flowers know that these dumb EB2s and EB3s have earned a black name with very powerful anti immigrant groups who have stopped all their fixes till now. Things like faking resumes and experience, not being paid on bench, paying H1B fees to get H1B visa for their H4 spouse, changing job ad in perm to fit the applicant to that no American is hired are a small list of abuses these EB2 and EB3 do.

It is time we all join a strong anti immigrant group and ask their help to stop all abuse, review all pending applications........ and freeze all legal immigration until we fix the abuse. This is the only lesson to every awhole immigrant.

imh1b
05-07-2014, 10:35 AM
Also "agencies who are doing a good job". If this is a good job, then I do not know what bad job is ?

Bad job is what our Indian government does. Have you tried contacting any department to get any approval without corruption? You and I came to USA because we find the system to be better.

asaxena
05-07-2014, 10:59 AM
Because there no logic in things that USCIS or DOL does. Why is finger printing needed for some people who file EAD and not for others ? Why is finger printing needed every year for some who have filed their green cards ? Why is medical needed again if it has already been done ? Why was my I485 case transferred to California and not my wife's or son's who are my dependents ?
Same with DOL.
Why does PERM which was originally done to speed up the process takes upto 2 years if you get to Audit and takes 8-9 months if you do not ? Why random audit to ask trivial things like who paid for the process ? Could these not have been asked during filing ? Is it just to drag the process to 2 years ?

I have all these questions but feel so helpless and really there are no answers.

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My wife went for biometric first in 2007 ,than again in 2009 and 2011. I only went once.

Uscis ways are mysterious

But i am curious ,if any folks with EB 3 India ,2004 and 2005 priority dates,getting any notices or RFEs?

nrmarrivada9
05-07-2014, 10:59 AM
Thank you iv.

sac-r-ten
05-07-2014, 11:09 AM
This frog mentality is not going to get us anywhere. There's always some kind of useless, mud-slinging fight going on here rather than a fruitful discussion.
Work towards a cause if you agree to it, if you don't agree just mention that in a more humble way and move on. No need to show anybody down and this applies to admins as well.
Good luck to all.

bsbawa10
05-07-2014, 11:22 AM
Bad job is what our Indian government does. Have you tried contacting any department to get any approval without corruption? You and I came to USA because we find the system to be better.

Actually I have. I lived in india for 30 years of my life. But if that is the reason you think that DOL and USCIS are doing a good job then I do not know what to say. You cannot bribe to get your work done here but also your work is done too randomly and there could be infinite wait , undue rejection with insane reasons. You are comparing bad with the worse to make bad look good.

mugembo
05-07-2014, 01:30 PM
Appreciate all the time and efforts IV has invested in order to get this legislative fix done. A big THANK YOU from whole EB community :).

sky1929
05-07-2014, 01:43 PM
Thank you IV for pushing this legislative fix forward.:)

Given the stalemate in Congress and given President's willingness to do piecemeal fixes which are the other fixes we should be proposing to the Obama administration. My vote would be to let I140 approved employee's apply for I-485 even if there are no visa available. This will atleast make them eligible for AC21 and change jobs. What do you all think?

longwait4gc
05-07-2014, 04:20 PM
Thanks for all the people who worked on this. Are there any action items from IV to make this rule happen?

gk_2000
05-10-2014, 06:18 AM
When we are trying to push for other fixes and legislative solutions people used to ask for H4 rule all the time. Now an update is given by DHS and people do not want this rule and want greencard instead?
It is strange. Because when we asked people to focus on greencard I used to get messages asking to focus on 'low hanging fruit'. There was also a survey conducted few years ago I have heard of tech folks on what fix they wanted. Majority wanted H4 rule for their spouses instead of choosing a greencard. So it looks like this has been the most awaited and sought after fix.

Ah .. the crowd responsible for killing eb3 reform .. our own ppl ....

What will the ability to work do for people who have not worked since many years and now have 1-2 kids to boot? They will now be seen stuffing grocery bags in indian stores. low hangers. IV, you too have a choice whether or not to be a low hanger

bsbawa10
05-10-2014, 06:30 AM
Ah .. the crowd responsible for killing eb3 reform .. our own ppl ....
. IV, you too have a choice whether or not to be a low hanger
I agree, nobody cares for eb3.

Suva
05-10-2014, 07:54 AM
I don't agree with you. Even if 90% doesn't work still 10% want to work. They have every right to do this. They are waiting for long without job though many of them are well educated. I support IV on this.

But I don't support IV on holding a rally for EB2 guys only. One of the top IV guys mentioned this in .com just few days ago. It seems IV is always more concerned for EB2 than EB3 and that is the whole reason you see support from EB3 people for IV has waned over last few years.

Thanks

Ah .. the crowd responsible for killing eb3 reform .. our own ppl ....

What will the ability to work do for people who have not worked since many years and now have 1-2 kids to boot? They will now be seen stuffing grocery bags in indian stores. low hangers. IV, you too have a choice whether or not to be a low hanger

Administrator2
05-10-2014, 09:26 AM
Ah .. the crowd responsible for killing eb3 reform .. our own ppl ....

What will the ability to work do for people who have not worked since many years and now have 1-2 kids to boot? They will now be seen stuffing grocery bags in indian stores. low hangers. IV, you too have a choice whether or not to be a low hanger

There are so many opinions in online forums across the internet that its not worth the time to respond to the wackos. The reason being, there is no end to these opinions. But I cannot help but respond to this EB2 v/s EB3 ghost.

There is a difference between tragedy and conspiracy. Wait times in EB3 category is a tragedy. But some seem to imply that EB3 wait times is a conspiracy. Not only that, rather some seem to imply that its IV's conspiracy. If you know how things work on the ground, you would not formulate these opinions which are out of lack of knowledge, instead of first had experience of how things really work on the ground.

While some folks read forums to formulate their opinion, there is a real work that happens out of these forums. If you ever attended a lobby day, you would have known that we have advocated for fixes that help all categories in the same way. So you cannot be further from truth when you or anyone try to even remotely imply that IV only supports EB2. You are seeing ghosts when you imply that there is a conspiracy underway or somehow IV wants to hurt EB3. And when you see ghosts around you, there is nothing that one can do to remedy your thinking.

When working on Administrative and Legislative fixes we do not distinguish between EB1/2/3. While some people see the world through the prism of monthly visa bulletin, IV has never considered this dichotomy of EB/1/2/3 when advocating fixes. IV has always advocated for legislative and administrative fixes that will help all categories equally and fairly. And although we do not have time or the inclination to respond to outrageous theories, you can go around seeing ghosts for as long as you want.

Administrator2
05-10-2014, 09:48 AM
I don't agree with you. Even if 90% doesn't work still 10% want to work. They have every right to do this. They are waiting for long without job though many of them are well educated. I support IV on this.

But I don't support IV on holding a rally for EB2 guys only. One of the top IV guys mentioned this in .com just few days ago. It seems IV is always more concerned for EB2 than EB3 and that is the whole reason you see support from EB3 people for IV has waned over last few years.

Thanks

But I don't support IV on holding a rally for EB2 guys only

You have got to be kidding me. Where did to read that IV is holding rally for Eb2? Look, please use your intelligence when you read something on the "internet" where anyone can post anything that anyone wants. Try not to subscribe to this ideology of "I saw it on the internet so it HAS to be true"

This is news to me that IV is holding a rally for EB2, and I think I'm pretty much aware of what IV is doing. And who is this "one of the top IV guy" because I would like to meet this person. Like everyone else, you are free to do what you believe is best for you. But try not to look for wild conspiracy theories that are just not true. As I said earlier posts, there is a difference between tragedy and conspiracy.

But I am not going to argue or convince you about this EB2 v/s Eb3 ghosts. So keep doing whatever makes you happy.

Romeo
05-10-2014, 03:19 PM
Every one of us are going to get greened at some point.Legislative fix is far fetched dream.since administration is actively pursuing for administrative fixes why don't we all unite for the common good of everyone and request USCIS to consider some proposals to relive us from backlogs. I will wait for others to chime in.

Romeo
05-10-2014, 04:26 PM
IMHO administration is testing waters with relatively no controversial fixes. If nothing materializes by august pressure will be on Our president to do some thing for illegal immigrants.We just need to grab this opportunity and work towards fulfilling our goals. Can administrator of this forum shed some light on what else can we propose for presidential review if legislation fails to pass by this fall? It's now or never from what I understand through media.While we work towards legislative fixes what is our back- up plan? As some one posted earlier a simple fix like concurrent filing of I140 &485 in absence of visa numbers may help a lot of people waiting in line and future EB community.On surface it appears simple but who knows how difficult it is to convince USCIS even asking them to consider. Can IV share what are the administrative fixes we can work on without getting backlash from our own community ?

Suva
05-10-2014, 11:20 PM
Aman, I have sent you a private message where I have mentioned about the web link on this rally.

Thanks

You have got to be kidding me. Where did to read that IV is holding rally for Eb2? Look, please use your intelligence when you read something on the "internet" where anyone can post anything that anyone wants. Try not to subscribe to this ideology of "I saw it on the internet so it HAS to be true"

This is news to me that IV is holding a rally for EB2, and I think I'm pretty much aware of what IV is doing. And who is this "one of the top IV guy" because I would like to meet this person. Like everyone else, you are free to do what you believe is best for you. But try not to look for wild conspiracy theories that are just not true. As I said earlier posts, there is a difference between tragedy and conspiracy.

But I am not going to argue or convince you about this EB2 v/s Eb3 ghosts. So keep doing whatever makes you happy.

imh1b
05-11-2014, 07:38 AM
IMHO administration is testing waters with relatively no controversial fixes. If nothing materializes by august pressure will be on Our president to do some thing for illegal immigrants.We just need to grab this opportunity and work towards fulfilling our goals. Can administrator of this forum shed some light on what else can we propose for presidential review if legislation fails to pass by this fall? It's now or never from what I understand through media.While we work towards legislative fixes what is our back- up plan? As some one posted earlier a simple fix like concurrent filing of I140 &485 in absence of visa numbers may help a lot of people waiting in line and future EB community.On surface it appears simple but who knows how difficult it is to convince USCIS even asking them to consider. Can IV share what are the administrative fixes we can work on without getting backlash from our own community ?

I think there is no admin fix that will have no backlash from our own community. There are supporters and opposers for everything, people cannot unite for anything.

Murthy
05-11-2014, 07:38 AM
Forget for a moment about these administrative fixes for backlogs.
Wastage of Visas--This does not need any fix or new legislative law. Just implement existing rules.Why IV is keeping quite when existing rule is not implementing properly by DHS/DOS.
Why IV not paying attention about wastage of EB3 visas while DallaBlue and others crying for some collective action on this. We must collectively stop wastage of EB visas.
Need some guidance from IV gurus how to proceed on this.

IMHO administration is testing waters with relatively no controversial fixes. If nothing materializes by august pressure will be on Our president to do some thing for illegal immigrants.We just need to grab this opportunity and work towards fulfilling our goals. Can administrator of this forum shed some light on what else can we propose for presidential review if legislation fails to pass by this fall? It's now or never from what I understand through media.While we work towards legislative fixes what is our back- up plan? As some one posted earlier a simple fix like concurrent filing of I140 &485 in absence of visa numbers may help a lot of people waiting in line and future EB community.On surface it appears simple but who knows how difficult it is to convince USCIS even asking them to consider. Can IV share what are the administrative fixes we can work on without getting backlash from our own community ?

imh1b
05-11-2014, 07:43 AM
Suva dude you are fanning conspiracy theories only. You have some motive. Why did you send a private message and not post for everyone?

You think a senior member on a website is more credible than a junior member and you use it as evidence. Do you know a senior member is one that has made more posts. So this person could have just posted random things. It does not mean he is someone knowledgable. You should have at least known that since you are an IV member for many years. But how would you know that? You have never been part of any IV activity other than spending time on conspiracy theories and blaming everyone else around you because you do not have a greencard yet.

imh1b
05-11-2014, 07:48 AM
Forget for a moment about these administrative fixes for backlogs.
Wastage of Visas--This does not need any fix or new legislative law. Just implement existing rules.Why IV is keeping quite when existing rule is not implementing properly by DHS/DOS.
Why IV not paying attention about wastage of EB3 visas while DallaBlue and others crying for some collective action on this. We must collectively stop wastage of EB visas.
Need some guidance from IV gurus how to proceed on this.

What do you mean by collective. It's a good word to say. But in reality no one is actually willing to do anything. We all want to write and ask someone else to do it. We can only write because it is free and is hardly any effort. So yes I also think we should collectively put pressure and do something. I think we should vote and figure out what one thing we wil collectively work on. Then figure out how we can collectively work on It so that there is no money involved and we can simply sign a petition and send it.

Can someone become the election commissioner and take a vote on all ideas and find one idea we can collectively work on through a petition we can all sign?

Romeo
05-11-2014, 08:27 AM
After years of lobbying and advocacy events those efforts are finally getting paid off however small it may be. At least recognition by administration for h4 spouses ordeals is a big achievement. Infighting and finger pointing will lead us nowhere.I whole heartedly appreciate the group that met the WH officials and their efforts that lead us at least to begin this journey. I am sure you will find dime a dozen who are armchair critics and just try to argue with everything with those who actually do.I wonder how many people of us sincerely believe that posting on boards and creating petition will help to pass a rule. Initially it may help to draw attention but with out follow up efforts and lobbying it's not going to go anywhere.There is no magic wand that's going to vanish our problems overnight.My request to IV if is lay out the proposals for administrative fixes and the budget required for follow up efforts that experts think can be achievable.Seek a poll on it and raise the funds and be transparent about it.May be IV did all this before and don't have interest to start fresh but that's how you lead. I am not from IT and relatively a newcomer on board and don't have much experience how this works. I made one small time donation during HR 3012 lobby and disappointed with how it didn't fruitify. People posting on the board should realize that your success is groups success and that's how everybody benefits. Please stop bickering about EB1/2/3 quotas and unite for the common good of every one.

indianguy220
05-11-2014, 09:02 AM
There are so many opinions in online forums across the internet that its not worth the time to respond to the wackos. The reason being, there is no end to these opinions. But I cannot help but respond to this EB2 v/s EB3 ghost.

Please do not assume from a few who whine about everything. I thank you very much and I am sure there are a lot like me who feel the same but are just silent readers who wanted the work permits for their H4 spouses then anything else.

Green card is good, but work permit for H4 is what I really really wanted which will have a huge impact on my personal life and my wifes professional carrier. Thank you again!! I hope this gets through.

The public inspection details
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/05/12/2014-10734/employment-authorization-for-certain-h-4-dependent-spouses

Suva
05-11-2014, 09:24 AM
I just want to bring this to IV's notice on how we (may not be all EB3-I) feel.

On the other note please don't blame others without know the fact. I have participated 2010 DC advocacy event for 3 days. Additionally I have donated few hundred bucks over last few years. It might be very small compared to IV donors but still I think I did more than 90 percent of IV members with ZERO activity.

Thanks

Suva dude you are fanning conspiracy theories only. You have some motive. Why did you send a private message and not post for everyone?

You think a senior member on a website is more credible than a junior member and you use it as evidence. Do you know a senior member is one that has made more posts. So this person could have just posted random things. It does not mean he is someone knowledgable. You should have at least known that since you are an IV member for many years. But how would you know that? You have never been part of any IV activity other than spending time on conspiracy theories and blaming everyone else around you because you do not have a greencard yet.

Administrator2
05-11-2014, 12:24 PM
Forget for a moment about these administrative fixes for backlogs.
Wastage of Visas--This does not need any fix or new legislative law. Just implement existing rules.Why IV is keeping quite when existing rule is not implementing properly by DHS/DOS.
Why IV not paying attention about wastage of EB3 visas while DallaBlue and others crying for some collective action on this. We must collectively stop wastage of EB visas.
Need some guidance from IV gurus how to proceed on this.

Always a good idea not to waste visas. But how did you conclude that we are already not working on this. In this one post you suggested that the this is an issue, then you implied that you are one of the few who cares for this issue, then you said IV is quite on visa wastage and IV is not doing anything. And to top it all, you are angry with something.

Look, try to bring back sanity to the discussion. Try not to live in an echo chamber where the only voice you hear is your own. To make echo chamber to work, you have to block every information that could reach you from outside. And only you can prevent outside information from reaching you. Its your choice. And if you have chosen the block information or tools accessible to you, and if you have chosen to listen to yourself, then obviously you will reach the conclusion that "IV not paying attention about wastage of EB3 visas". Which is fine if that is what makes you happy. But if you choose to get engaged and actively participate rather than venting on online forums, you will find out ways to get engaged to participate constructively. Its not rocket science.

greyhair
05-11-2014, 12:44 PM
After years of lobbying and advocacy events those efforts are finally getting paid off however small it may be. At least recognition by administration for h4 spouses ordeals is a big achievement. Infighting and finger pointing will lead us nowhere.I whole heartedly appreciate the group that met the WH officials and their efforts that lead us at least to begin this journey. I am sure you will find dime a dozen who are armchair critics and just try to argue with everything with those who actually do.I wonder how many people of us sincerely believe that posting on boards and creating petition will help to pass a rule. Initially it may help to draw attention but with out follow up efforts and lobbying it's not going to go anywhere.There is no magic wand that's going to vanish our problems overnight.My request to IV if is lay out the proposals for administrative fixes and the budget required for follow up efforts that experts think can be achievable.Seek a poll on it and raise the funds and be transparent about it.May be IV did all this before and don't have interest to start fresh but that's how you lead. I am not from IT and relatively a newcomer on board and don't have much experience how this works. I made one small time donation during HR 3012 lobby and disappointed with how it didn't fruitify. People posting on the board should realize that your success is groups success and that's how everybody benefits. Please stop bickering about EB1/2/3 quotas and unite for the common good of every one.

IT projects work with specific timeline, man-hours and budget. And you will expect results when timeline is complete, man-hours exhausted and budget spent. Lobbying doesn't work like IT Project because there is large uncontrollable variable called politics.

I attended lobbying days event in Washington for 3 days 2 months back. There was a lot of snow in Washington. But IV explained why it is risky to post everything online which can sound odd for Facebook generation that is posting online picture when taking a bath or eating neighbor's cat. IV explained that the effort of HR3012 did not fail. The Senate immigration bill in 2013 or House immigration bill, both bills have provision to remove country limits in EB. In March I attended 14 meetings in the House of Representatives. In all the meetings everyone acknowledge awareness for removing country limits and agreed. Ashwin explained at the training that this is all a process and not an event. HR3012 was an event but effort to remove country limits. But this process has been underway since 2006. HR3012 was one (major) step to create awareness before the actual fix can happen. I was also disappointed when the bill did not pass in the Senate in 2012. But it made sense when Ashwin explained how the process works.

Romeo
05-11-2014, 01:53 PM
Undoubtedly this legislation needs some heavy lifting . While 4/10 are doing the legwork and volunteering their time rest of us are watching from sidelines. Together we can be successful but how can we unite everybody for the common cause and move forward. All of us have the Innate curiosity to know what's going on and keep coming to boards for updates.How about this group start a paid membership drive that whoever on a monthly basis contributes are going to get monthly newsletter with updates?I can't think of people subscribing to paid membership just to spit venom or ruin the cause?May be I am being naïeve I am not sure.

xs2sharad
05-12-2014, 09:59 AM
You guys are awesome. I know people ask for more. But these things take time and patience and also to be on top of the issue always.

AcuraTSX
05-12-2014, 10:38 AM
Too bad.. one thing is certain…. All these breed class warfare among the so called educated, skilled workforce. EB1 does not care about EB2, EB2 does not care about EB3 and so on….
Fortunately, the undocumented have no such segregation. No wonder they are out in full force highlighting their issues.
I'm sure the undocumented will prevail in their fight to freedom, while the educated and skilled can just wait, wait and wait....................

Ablor
05-14-2014, 08:50 PM
Does anyone know what the second proposed provision means? Especially the last paragraph about changes in evidentiary criteria for EB1. I can't seem to find any details about this or a comment page similar to the first proposal on regulations dot gov.

gk_2000
05-21-2014, 12:15 PM
There are so many opinions in online forums across the internet that its not worth the time to respond to the wackos. The reason being, there is no end to these opinions. But I cannot help but respond to this EB2 v/s EB3 ghost.

There is a difference between tragedy and conspiracy. Wait times in EB3 category is a tragedy. But some seem to imply that EB3 wait times is a conspiracy. Not only that, rather some seem to imply that its IV's conspiracy. If you know how things work on the ground, you would not formulate these opinions which are out of lack of knowledge, instead of first had experience of how things really work on the ground.

While some folks read forums to formulate their opinion, there is a real work that happens out of these forums. If you ever attended a lobby day, you would have known that we have advocated for fixes that help all categories in the same way. So you cannot be further from truth when you or anyone try to even remotely imply that IV only supports EB2. You are seeing ghosts when you imply that there is a conspiracy underway or somehow IV wants to hurt EB3. And when you see ghosts around you, there is nothing that one can do to remedy your thinking.

When working on Administrative and Legislative fixes we do not distinguish between EB1/2/3. While some people see the world through the prism of monthly visa bulletin, IV has never considered this dichotomy of EB/1/2/3 when advocating fixes. IV has always advocated for legislative and administrative fixes that will help all categories equally and fairly. And although we do not have time or the inclination to respond to outrageous theories, you can go around seeing ghosts for as long as you want.

With all respect, my post was in response to Pappu's, who said that people were not with IV for GC reform and they were asking for H4 EAD. My opinion/logic was just about the utility of H4's given EAD's, that too after i140 approval. How many of such people exist -- only the people with PD's maximum 2008. And such old PD's will mean that the spouse has not worked a number of years and they will be hard pressed to go back to what their big degrees will qualify them for. Therefore the grocery bag remark.
No ghosts, sir. Just logic.

gk_2000
05-21-2014, 12:21 PM
With all respect, my post was in response to Pappu's, who said that people were not with IV for GC reform and they were asking for H4 EAD. My opinion/logic was just about the utility of H4's given EAD's, that too after i140 approval. How many of such people exist -- only the people with PD's maximum 2008. And such old PD's will mean that the spouse has not worked a number of years and they will be hard pressed to go back to what their big degrees will qualify them for. Therefore the grocery bag remark.
No ghosts, sir. Just logic.

edit: "that too after i140 approval" AND H1b beyond 6 years. As they say, "thoo"

ksvreg
05-21-2014, 08:28 PM
I was wondering how easily H4 EAD proposal came into limelight dodging every other proposals like EB2/EB3 visas, STEM etc. Is this initiative from IV or some other organizations? The reason I am asking, why can not we move the other proposals in the same way as H4 EAD Proposal? For some reason I feel like If we fought hard on something, it might will not be considered. But the ones which we did fight for or fought little, gets approved very easily. Interesting..

gcharry
05-21-2014, 10:25 PM
"Employment Authorization for Certain H–4 Dependent Spouses" is open for comment, but there is no discussion in this thread.

Please put your comments.

Regulations.gov (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2010-0017-0001)

bsbawa10
05-22-2014, 04:30 AM
I was wondering how easily H4 EAD proposal came into limelight dodging every other proposals like EB2/EB3 visas, STEM etc. Is this initiative from IV or some other organizations? The reason I am asking, why can not we move the other proposals in the same way as H4 EAD Proposal? For some reason I feel like If we fought hard on something, it might will not be considered. But the ones which we did fight for or fought little, gets approved very easily. Interesting..

I wonder about the same thing. Much more important things have been totally ignored and this get priority ? There were other low hanging fruits too.

pappu
05-22-2014, 06:44 AM
What is important and what is less important is very subjective. When people's labor used to be stuck for many years in Backlog many years ago, getting labor cleared was #1 item for many. When BEC came into being and labor began clearing Namecheck issue became #1 issue for people whose I485 was stuck in background checks. There used to be fights between people who wanted namecheck to be a priority and people whose namecheck was cleared and did not care about it. For most people H4 EAD was the most important thing in the survey a couple of years ago. Let's feel happy with the success and use it as a motivation to get something next.

unluckydude
05-22-2014, 10:21 AM
What is important and what is less important is very subjective. When people's labor used to be stuck for many years in Backlog many years ago, getting labor cleared was #1 item for many. When BEC came into being and labor began clearing Namecheck issue became #1 issue for people whose I485 was stuck in background checks. There used to be fights between people who wanted namecheck to be a priority and people whose namecheck was cleared and did not care about it. For most people H4 EAD was the most important thing in the survey a couple of years ago. Let's feel happy with the success and use it as a motivation to get something next.

It is a commendable job and appreciate everyone who is involved to bring improvements in the immigration matters.

There are many ideas and suggestions floating around. Folks are free in commenting we could do this and we could do that and it is a low hanging fruit.....etc. Yes, there are many low hanging fruits around but those commenting are sitting inside the car and ordering someone to get that fruit for them to eat and be happy.

Human nature is never satisfied with anything that is available to them. You get them H4 spouse EAD, they ask for EAD for all of the H4. You give them that, they ask for EAD+AP. Once they get that, they ask for GC and once IV fight for a change in some rule.....they ask for something else.......you get the point now. There is never an end and they will continue to ask IV until they get their ashes immersed in a holy river for free in their home country or a free casket and burial.

Thanks IV for working hard.

krupa
05-28-2014, 12:40 AM
Medical report in form I-693 filed earlier, during July 2007, by "EB-485 Waiters" as heard from some other immigration related sites, will expire on 5/31/2014.

Is any information as to extending expiration date , by USCIS, so that we need not file fresh medical report ? or do we need to file fresh medical report.

gk_2000
05-28-2014, 05:40 PM
edit: "that too after i140 approval" AND H1b beyond 6 years. As they say, "thoo"

Again, I correct myself. It is good for people with approved i-140 even without 6 year h1 limit.

I owe you all apology for my misunderstanding. This will, it seems, help ppl who have PD after 2008. Good for the present and future crop.

sac-r-ten
05-29-2014, 09:42 AM
"Employment Authorization for Certain H–4 Dependent Spouses" is open for comment, but there is no discussion in this thread.

Please put your comments.

Regulations.gov (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2010-0017-0001)

Please leave your comments on govs regulations site, if you believe in this cause. Lets take small steps at a time.

cheers.

neodyn55
06-12-2014, 04:11 PM
I'm happy that this change looks like it's going somewhere, but I have to ask. Was there any push for EAD if I140 + 6 years for the primary H1B dependent? Wouldn't that have been better to push for, because that would automatically mean that the spouse would get a EAD too?

Right now, this doesn't really improve anything for the primary H1B holder because any sort of job loss still threatens the spouse, as his/her EAD is nullified (correct me if I'm wrong)

If that's not been pushed, I'd like to see if we can push it this year. Looks like CIR is not going anywhere, so the admin might work on fixes. It would be a travesty if illegal immigrants got EADs, but legal workers on the queue had to rely on H1B visas. As we all know, H1B visas prevent job mobility while EADs improve on that regard.

bracelet80
06-12-2014, 04:54 PM
Great Job IV. Congrats to all the H4s who have been patiently waiting. Thanks to Aman, Puneet an all the people who worked on this. We are waiting from last 14 years and my wife is on cloud 9 today. Thank you!!

Yes any loss of job for primary H1b holder will void the EAD of H4. It is just like L1B today.

So there is no really any improvement for H1b.

And my doubt is, currently for both H1b holders (husband,wife) it would be better spouse stay on H1 than going for EAD.
if she loses EAD, she will also lose her H1b.