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Administrator2
06-23-2013, 09:21 PM
Dear Friends,

Once in a lifetime we all get an opportunity to make a difference in our lives and the lives of the entire generation. Starting Monday (24th June), Senate plans to move to the final stage of the immigration reform bill. However, as Senators deliberate and vote on the immigration reform, it’s our turn to do our share and make the difference.

I know it feels like there is no end in sight to the ordeal and painful waits. But there is light at the long tunnel, and we are now closer than ever before, to get our fixes done by Congress.

Immigration Reform has many of our provisions. And, we are pleased to share that Senator Warren has introduced the amendment #1532 to fix four (4) of the key issues already not already addressed in the bill. We applaud Senator Warren for her leadership. Here is the summary of Warren Amendment #1532 -

a.) Requiring employers to sharing green card, H1 & L1 visa paperwork and approvals with employees – This will help prevent abuses in the system as immigrant employees will not be beholden to the employer.

b.) Fix for removal of per country effective date

c.) Clarify job mobility for immigrants after filing adjustment of status - This will allow some job mobility to free up skilled immigrant labor force

d.) Fix for STEM definition to include backlogged applicants, increasing from current limit of 5 years in the bill to 10 years. This will allow backlogged STEM applicants not to be left out.

[Click here (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/Senator_Warren_Amendment_1532_Immigration_Voice_Am endment.pdf) for more information]

We want Congress to take action on Warren Amendment #1532. This will be possible only if you call Senate offices registering your support for Warren Amendment #1532.

ACTION ITEMS:

1.) Please send Message to your Senator supporting Warren Amendment #1532 – Click here (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=61557191)

2.) Contribute to Immigration Voice at – Click here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/misc.php?do=donate)

3.) Tell your friends (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/taf/) and request them to participate and do their share in supporting Warren Amendment

4.) Call each Senate office every day of this week -

After making each phone call (as per instructions below), complete this Phone Call AI Feedback Form (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHZtMnhYWWtuWkJPOVE0UzlOSlRLRmc6M Q) to help us keep track of progress.

For maximum affect, when you call, here is the message you need to relay to the Senate offices. When you call, ask to speak with someone who deals with judiciary and immigration issues and give them the following message. If you are unable to speak with immigration staff, just deliver the message to the person who picks up the phone.


• Hi, my name is ________ and I’m a member of Immigration Voice. I live in _________.
• I am calling in to Thank the Senator for supporting Immigration bill.
• I want to request the Senator to support and vote for Senator Warren’s amendment #1532 which provides relief to high-skilled immigrants. Thank you.
• Do you know what Senator’s position is on this amendment?
• I would really appreciate Senator to support Warren Amendment #1532, please tell this to the Senator.


If asked, what is Amendment #1532, you could say that -


• Senator Warren's Amendment #1532 provide immigrants with access to their immigration paperwork.
• Currently, all other categories of immigrants have access to their immigration paperwork. Without access to immigration paperwork, skilled immigrants cannot get driver's license, sign lease of mortgage, get car loan, admit child to school or even change jobs.
• Patriot Act requires skilled immigrants to carry their immigration paperwork, how can people carry their paperwork if they don't have it.
• Which is why Warren Amendment #1532 is a common sense fix


In case you are told to call Senator of your State, based on which State you are calling, you could say that –

• I’ve many close friends in ______ State
• And Immigration is a national issue and Senator _________'s vote will be of national significance, which is why I am calling to request the Senator to support this bill and Senator Warren’s amendment #1532



It will take -1-2 minutes of your time to make each phone call every day this week. Here are the phone numbers of all Senate offices per State. Please call each Senate office every day of this week –

(Take a Print out of this list and keep it handy with you)
SENATE NAME (PARTY - STATE) PHONE

Sen. Mark Begich (DEM - AK) 202-224-3004
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (REP - AK) 202-224-6665
Sen. John Boozman (REP - AR) 202-224-4843
Sen. Jeff Flake (REP - AZ) 202-224-4521
Sen. John McCain (REP - AZ) 202-224-2235
Sen. Barbara Boxer (DEM - CA) 202-224-3553
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (DEM - CA) 202-224-3841
Sen. Michael Bennet (DEM - CO) 202-224-5852
Sen. Mark Udall (DEM - CO) 202-224-5941
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (DEM - CT) 202-224-2823
Sen. Christopher Murphy (DEM - CT) 202-224-4041
Sen. Thomas Carper (DEM - DE) 202-224-2441
Sen. Chris Coons (DEM - DE) 202-224-5042
Sen. Bill Nelson (DEM - FL) 202-224-5274
Sen. Marco Rubio (REP - FL) 202-224-3041
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (REP - GA) 202-224-3521
Sen. Mazie Hirono (DEM - HI) 202-224-6361
Sen. Michael Crapo (REP - ID) 202-224-6142
Sen. Jim Risch (REP - ID) 202-224-2752
Sen. Richard Durbin (DEM - IL) 202-224-2152
Sen. Mark Kirk (REP - IL) 202-224-2854
Sen. Jerry Moran (REP - KS) 202-224-6521
Sen. Mitch McConnell (REP - KY) 202-224-2541
Sen. Rand Paul (REP - KY) 202-224-4343
Sen. Mary Landrieu (DEM - LA) 202-224-5824
Sen. William Cowan (DEM - MA) 202-224-2742
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (DEM - MA) 202-224-4543
Sen. Benjamin Cardin (DEM - MD) 202-224-4524
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (DEM - MD) 202-224-4654
Sen. Susan Collins (REP - ME) 202-224-2523
Sen. Angus King (IND - ME) 202-224-3825
Sen. Carl Levin (DEM - MI) 202-224-6221
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (DEM - MI) 202-224-4822
Sen. Al Franken (DEM - MN) 202-224-5641
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (DEM - MN) 202-224-3244
Sen. Roy Blunt (REP - MO) 202-224-5721
Sen. Claire McCaskill (DEM - MO) 202-224-6154
Sen. Roger Wicker (REP - MS) 202-224-6253
Sen. Max Baucus (DEM - MT) 202-224-2651
Sen. Jon Tester (DEM - MT) 202-224-2644
Sen. Richard Burr (REP - NC) 202-224-3154
Sen. Kay Hagan (DEM - NC) 202-224-6342
Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (DEM - ND) 202-224-2043
Sen. John Hoeven (REP - ND) 202-224-2551
Sen. Deb Fischer (REP - NE) 202-224-6551
Sen. Mike Johanns (REP - NE) 202-224-4224
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (REP - NH) 202-224-3324
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (DEM - NH) 202-224-2841
Sen. Jeff Chiesa (REP - NJ) 202-224-3224
Sen. Robert Menendez (DEM - NJ) 202-224-4744
Sen. Tom Udall (DEM - NM) 202-224-6621
Sen. Dean Heller (REP - NV) 202-224-6244
Sen. Harry Reid (DEM - NV) 202-224-3542
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (DEM - NY) 202-224-4451
Sen. Charles Schumer (DEM - NY) 202-224-6542
Sen. Sherrod Brown (DEM - OH) 202-224-2315
Sen. Rob Portman (REP - OH) 202-224-3353
Sen. Tom Coburn (REP - OK) 202-224-5754
Sen. James Inhofe (REP - OK) 202-224-4721
Sen. Jeff Merkley (DEM - OR) 202-224-3753
Sen. Ron Wyden (DEM - OR) 202-224-5244
Sen. Bob Casey (DEM - PA) 202-224-6324
Sen. Patrick Toomey (REP - PA) 202-224-4254
Sen. Jack Reed (DEM - RI) 202-224-4642
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (DEM - RI) 202-224-2921
Sen. Lindsey Graham (REP - SC) 202-224-5972
Sen. Tim Scott (REP - SC) 202-224-6121
Sen. Tim Johnson (DEM - SD) 202-224-5842
Sen. Lamar Alexander (REP - TN) 202-224-4944
Sen. Bob Corker (REP - TN) 202-224-3344
Sen. John Cornyn (REP - TX) 202-224-2934
Sen. Ted Cruz (REP - TX) 202-224-5922
Sen. Orrin Hatch (REP - UT) 202-224-5251
Sen. Mike Lee (REP - UT) 202-224-5444
Sen. Tim Kaine (DEM - VA) 202-224-4024
Sen. Mark Warner (DEM - VA) 202-224-2023
Sen. Patrick Leahy (DEM - VT) 202-224-4242
Sen. Maria Cantwell (DEM - WA) 202-224-3441
Sen. Patty Murray (DEM - WA) 202-224-2621
Sen. Tammy Baldwin (DEM - WI) 202-224-5653
Sen. Ron Johnson (REP - WI) 202-224-5323
Sen. Joe Manchin (DEM - WV) 202-224-3954
Sen. Michael Enzi (REP - WY) 202-224-3424


Thank you for your active participation. We are now very close!

looivy
06-23-2013, 11:11 PM
pl push this thread on homepage...I had to traverse 3 pages to get here

Suva
06-23-2013, 11:34 PM
Sent emails to NJ Senators.

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 09:45 AM
I have printed physical mails to my state Senator's, and dropped them in the mailbox.
Will be calling them each day from today.

As well made a one-time contribution of $100. ($525 so far)
PayPal transaction number: 81990855UF439080L

All the best everyone, please do your part.

The Alchemist
06-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Please make sure that you call all Senator offices listed in the AI list, irrespective of what state you are a resident of, as instructed in the original post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3095282-action-item-seeking-support-for-warren-amendment-1532-a.html#post3573936)
I have printed physical mails to my state Senator's, and dropped them in the mailbox.
Will be calling them each day from today.

As well made a one-time contribution of $100. ($525 so far)
PayPal transaction number: 81990855UF439080L

All the best everyone, please do your part.

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 10:47 AM
Please make sure that you call all Senator offices listed in the AI list, irrespective of what state you are a resident of, as instructed in the original post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/3095282-action-item-seeking-support-for-warren-amendment-1532-a.html#post3573936)

Oh right, misread it in a frenzy.. So all 83 Senators by Friday. Shall pound as much as I can.

shortduck
06-24-2013, 10:55 AM
Hello

I am thinking that we should target senators who are generally saying Nos to the most amendments. My guess is mostly all Dem will agree, we should be more focused on GOPs.

Also, admin, moderator like someone suggested, please put action item on the homepage

Thanks

shortduck
06-24-2013, 11:38 AM
I am thinking the snail mail will reach after the amendment is voted ?

I have printed physical mails to my state Senator's, and dropped them in the mailbox.
Will be calling them each day from today.

As well made a one-time contribution of $100. ($525 so far)
PayPal transaction number: 81990855UF439080L

All the best everyone, please do your part.

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 11:42 AM
I am thinking the snail mail will reach after the amendment is voted ?

Might be, I have sent the email as well, firing up all my engines.

shortduck
06-24-2013, 11:56 AM
I also did it anyways.. Highlighted the subject too.

shortduck
06-24-2013, 12:26 PM
is this true ? This is from Trackiit

Please support Warren Amendments
to GangOf8:

Too late. Amendment process is over or lets say Harry Reid closed it via Parliamentary maneuvers.

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 12:35 PM
Right now, there is a vote going on in the Senate Floor, on a particular amendment.
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Floor Webcast (http://www.senate.gov/floor/index.htm)

Administrator2
06-24-2013, 01:14 PM
is this true ? This is from Trackiit

Please support Warren Amendments
to GangOf8:

Too late. Amendment process is over or lets say Harry Reid closed it via Parliamentary maneuvers.


Guys,

You got to trust us. We are going to get it done if everyone is doing their share. There is lot of negotiation going on in the back-end. Please stick to the plan, do your share, others (people you don't know) are doing their share, and we are confident that it will all fit in the end. Only small set of information is available in public domain. And we cannot share all information in the public domain without violating the trust of our friends, which we cannot afford. It is possible that Warren amendment may not be voted separately, but is included in another amendment. So You have nothing to lose, please trust the action item and do your share.

Please continue making phone calls and sending messages. We will WIN!

Thank You!

GCOP
06-24-2013, 01:38 PM
Action item completed for today.

bpratap
06-24-2013, 01:40 PM
Lets do our share of calling Senators, after all its helping ourselves.,

we are winning, We WILL.

vijay_aswani
06-24-2013, 01:44 PM
Done... I don't know why... but I think this time we will get IT! Great going IV. :)

gcbikari
06-24-2013, 02:41 PM
1,2 and 3 completed. Will call senators this week.

keyurpatel80
06-24-2013, 04:23 PM
when is the vote on this?

it is on 4:30 CST

WhyThisOnePostDi
06-24-2013, 05:07 PM
Done ...
Guys,
...
Thank You!

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 06:07 PM
The amendment that is on roll vote call right now is the border security one, not the hi-skilled one we are looking forward too.

sg27
06-24-2013, 06:15 PM
The amendment that is on roll vote call right now is the border security one, not the hi-skilled one we are looking forward too.

I think we should be looking forward to any amendment that can help get this bill passed in House and this "Border Security" or "Corker-Hoeven" could be key. Not sure if IV's main agenda is to just focus on getting our issues or amendments in the bill. Just my opinion, no offenses meant.

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 06:16 PM
Voting is on...please visit senate.gov to watch the senate session live

Flyingcrow
06-24-2013, 06:22 PM
I think we should be looking forward to any amendment that can help get this bill passed in House and this "Border Security" or "Corker-Hoeven" could be key. Not sure if IV's main agenda is to just focus on getting our issues or amendments in the bill. Just my opinion, no offenses meant.

By looking forward to I meant in a relative context - that we are directly interested in - for which the action item was requested by IV on this thread - the amendment about which nobody else other than the folks in hi-skilled segment will worry about :). Hope it explains.

kevin08
06-24-2013, 06:30 PM
Done!

Guys,

You got to trust us. We are going to get it done if everyone is doing their share. There is lot of negotiation going on in the back-end. Please stick to the plan, do your share, others (people you don't know) are doing their share, and we are confident that it will all fit in the end. Only small set of information is available in public domain. And we cannot share all information in the public domain without violating the trust of our friends, which we cannot afford. It is possible that Warren amendment may not be voted separately, but is included in another amendment. So You have nothing to lose, please trust the action item and do your share.

Please continue making phone calls and sending messages. We will WIN!

Thank You!

praskar
06-24-2013, 07:49 PM
Action items done! Also please ask your friends who are naturalised citizens to call up Senators!

shortduck
06-25-2013, 09:57 AM
I see the the voting yesterday looks like they passed a big hurdle. my question do we still call the senators for both the amendments and the bill ?

Thanks

Administrator2
06-25-2013, 10:58 AM
I see the the voting yesterday looks like they passed a big hurdle. my question do we still call the senators for both the amendments and the bill ?

Thanks

Yes it is.

WE ARE AT A VERY IMPORTANT PHASE.

PLEASE PLEASE CONSIDER THIS ACTION ITEM AS MOST URGENT.

KEEP CALLING AND KEEP SENDING MESSAGES.

LglImi
06-25-2013, 11:03 AM
Yes it is.

WE ARE AT A VERY IMPORTANT PHASE.

PLEASE PLEASE CONSIDER THIS ACTION ITEM AS MOST URGENT.

KEEP CALLING AND KEEP SENDING MESSAGES.

I am following the action item and asking people around me to do so.

Question: Will all the amendments taken up for consideration? I heard that since the border security amendment is passed, they might just rush to vote on bill without considering other amendments...I hope that is wrong..

Again, calling and emailing senators right now...

imh1b
06-25-2013, 11:44 AM
I am following the action item and asking people around me to do so.

Question: Will all the amendments taken up for consideration? I heard that since the border security amendment is passed, they might just rush to vote on bill without considering other amendments...I hope that is wrong..

Again, calling and emailing senators right now...

Did you hear it from another anonymous member from another forum? Let's not fall for rumors and do what we are told to do.

imh1b
06-25-2013, 11:46 AM
is this true ?

Please support Warren Amendments
to GangOf8:

Too late. Amendment process is over or lets say Harry Reid closed it via Parliamentary maneuvers.


Did you hear it from another anonymous member from another forum? Let's not fall for rumors they try to spread and just do what we are told to do. Every other person likes to become an fake expert and post their fake opinion. And some innocent people become victims.

shortduck
06-25-2013, 12:03 PM
like.
Indiana: Coats (R-IN)

I see more. So Mr. Coats, like others, was not it the favor of the bill. Shouldn't we be calling them too ?

GCOP
06-25-2013, 02:49 PM
Called Senators' offices today, also.

greyhair
06-25-2013, 04:10 PM
Did you hear it from another anonymous member from another forum? Let's not fall for rumors and do what we are told to do.

People want to make phone calls if you tell them that its done. If you tell us that there is less chance so just call Senators, then people don't respond well which is ironic. People want guarantees that if they call, the bill will pass :rolleyes:

I called all offices second day in the row. I left voice message for 18 Senators. Please tell me what more can be done.

dts
06-25-2013, 04:51 PM
Called few Senators.. Still we need to get momentum. Keep words spreading and get friends on board.

abcdgc
06-25-2013, 04:55 PM
Called all offices. I did not leave messages wherever no one picked up. Approximately 60 senators office picked up. Mostly they asked for zip code. Noted my name, appear to type something to note down my information and said they will relay the message. It was quick.

Do you want me to call tomorrow also?

ronhira
06-25-2013, 05:14 PM
sen reid just said on the senate floor that they are working on a deal on all pending amendments......

AC123
06-25-2013, 06:31 PM
Called about 20 Republican senators' office. Most noted down the name, zip code and issue I was calling about while just one of them wouldn't take my message and would rather have me call my state senators' (IN) office. I didn't leave any message where they didn't pick up the phone which may be about 5 or 6 of them. Incidentally, I don't see IN senators' phone number in this list.

indiantexan
06-25-2013, 07:48 PM
I have been going to senators website and contacting them..... I click on contact senator link and sending the draft as below.... did it for 40+ senators....

Hello Senator ________,

My name is __________ and I’m a member of Immigration Voice. I live in _______.

I am calling in to thank the Senator for supporting Immigration bill CIR S.744.

I want to request the Senator to support and vote for Senator Warren’s amendment #1532 which provides relief to high-skilled immigrants. I’ve many close friends and family members in _____ State and Immigration is a national issue and Senator _______'s vote will be of national significance, which is why I am emailing to request the Senator to support this bill and Senator Warren’s amendment #1532.

I would really appreciate Senator to support Warren Amendment #1532. Thank you.

____________


What is Amendment #1532?
Quote:
• Senator Warren's Amendment #1532 provides immigrants with access to their immigration paperwork.
• Currently, all other categories of immigrants have access to their immigration paperwork. Without access to immigration paperwork, skilled immigrants cannot get driver's license, sign lease of mortgage, get car loan, admit child to school or even change jobs.
• Patriot Act requires skilled immigrants to carry their immigration paperwork, how can people carry their paperwork if they don't have it.
• Which is why Warren Amendment #1532 is a common sense fix?

whiteStallion
06-25-2013, 08:21 PM
Sent emails.

heartbeat
06-25-2013, 09:18 PM
As per IV leadership persons calling have more effect on garnering support than sending emails.

jetflyer
06-26-2013, 08:02 AM
IV we neeed your direction and strategy for the abobe development if its truem

Dear friend, this is just the beginning. Rand Paul said it is already dead in House, because it is designed to fail by both parties.

Any ways I made calls to the senators and hoping for the best.

Jet

vinod14
06-26-2013, 10:16 AM
Called CT, NY and TX senators and left a message at their office.

Sen. John Cornyn (REP - TX): 202-224-2934 is apparently not in favor of the Warren Amendment.

Regards,
Vinod

shortduck
06-26-2013, 11:41 AM
Called CT, NY and TX senators and left a message at their office.

Sen. John Cornyn (REP - TX): 202-224-2934 is apparently not in favor of the Warren Amendment.

Regards,
Vinod

Thanks for the info., I will call him too.

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 12:22 PM
IV we neeed your direction and strategy for the abobe development if its truem

Please try to be realistic and not jump the gun on every news article. Its not possible to have boilerplate strategies lying around. There will be hundreds of articles saying all sorts of things. We request you to stick to the plan and keep making phone call and please keep sending messages to the Senate offices.

Since 2007 bill, we have come a long way. This bill has a lot of things we have advocated for long time -

* Per country elimination
* Dependents exemptions
* STEM exemptions
* Recapture

So please just stick to the plan and not worry about the noise.

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 12:24 PM
Called CT, NY and TX senators and left a message at their office.

Sen. John Cornyn (REP - TX): 202-224-2934 is apparently not in favor of the Warren Amendment.

Regards,
Vinod

Not true. We had a conversation with Sen. Cornyn ofc earlier today. Cornyn ofc is NO on the entire bill. They are undecided on Warren amendment. But it won't matter. So we are in good shape. The staffer who picked up your phone just meant that Senator is opposed to immigration bill, which everybody already knows.

Just stick the plan and keep making phone calls.

jetflyer
06-26-2013, 12:50 PM
Not true. We had a conversation with Sen. Cornyn ofc earlier today. Cornyn ofc is NO on the entire bill. They are undecided on Warren amendment. But it won't matter. So we are in good shape. The staffer who picked up your phone just meant that Senator is opposed to immigration bill, which everybody already knows.

Just stick the plan and keep making phone calls.

you mean if Our amendment passes and whole bill fails. it is going to be helpful for us?

Jet

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 01:40 PM
you mean if Our amendment passes and whole bill fails. it is going to be helpful for us?

Jet

You know better than that. It is public knowledge that Sen. Cornyn is expected to vote against the bill. There are 99 other Senators, out of which 65-70 are expected to vote for the bill. I am unable to see a point you are trying to make. Are you saying that because Senator Cornyn will vote against the bill that it will not pass the Senate?

ebizash
06-26-2013, 01:41 PM
you mean if Our amendment passes and whole bill fails. it is going to be helpful for us?

Jet

I think he means that we are not counting on his vote for the entire bill and the bill can pass even without his vote. However, sen is not decided on the amendment vote and our repeated calls may be able to sway him our way - for the amendment.

jetflyer
06-26-2013, 02:39 PM
Boehner: We Will Not Hold a Vote on the Senate Immigration Bill - Guy Benson (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/06/26/boehner-nope-im-not-going-to-hold-a-vote-on-the-senate-immigration-bill-n1628250)

pankajkchhabra
06-26-2013, 03:37 PM
called Barbara Boxer, Ted Cruz.

Phone lines for John Cornyn (tx), Dianne Feinstein (CA) is busy.

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 03:44 PM
Boehner: We Will Not Hold a Vote on the Senate Immigration Bill - Guy Benson (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/06/26/boehner-nope-im-not-going-to-hold-a-vote-on-the-senate-immigration-bill-n1628250)

You probably doesn't know what this means, nothing wrong with that. Allow me to explain. "Boehner not going to hold a vote on the Senate immigration bill" means that Speaker of the House will not bring the exact Senate version of the immigration bill in the Senate. But it also doesn't mean that he cannot bring House version of the immigration bill. Look for H.R.2131 - One of the House version of immigration reform.

If you follow the legislative process, you will see that large bills are almost always different in Senate and House. After the bills passes the two chambers of Congress, the two different bills go for reconciliation process so they can agree on the final version of the bill. That is a standard process.

jetflyer
06-26-2013, 03:55 PM
You probably doesn't know what this means, nothing wrong with that. Allow me to explain. "Boehner not going to hold a vote on the Senate immigration bill" means that Speaker of the House will not bring the exact Senate version of the immigration bill in the Senate. But it also doesn't mean that he cannot bring House version of the immigration bill. Look for H.R.2131 - One of the House version of immigration reform.

If you follow the legislative process, you will see that large bills are almost always different in Senate and House. After the bills passes the two chambers of Congress, the two different bills go for reconciliation process so they can agree on the final version of the bill. That is a standard process.

You are correct. I thought it means there will no bill in house. thank you for explaining. hoping for the best.

Amig
06-26-2013, 06:06 PM
Called senators and also contributed $100 to support IV.

Receipt ID
3265-3970-7592-7917

devasuresh
06-26-2013, 07:46 PM
Lets do our share of calling Senators, after all its helping ourselves.,

we are winning, We WILL.

Hi Guys,

As below Cruz ammendment supported by Hatch is going to be on floor.

It has all our wishes may be more than Wayne ammendment. May be should call all senetors to support Cruz S1586 (support of HATCH)

LglImi
06-26-2013, 08:24 PM
This would be ridiculous if they dont allow other amendments to be presented for vote... it's all about damn illegals....BUT WE SHOULD STILL KEEP TRYING.

Senate takes another step toward passing immigration reform - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/politics/senate-immigration/index.html?hpt=po_c2)

"The 69-29 vote set up a procedural motion immediately afterward to limit debate on the roughly 1,200-page bill, which would provide an eventual path to citizenship for millions of immigrants living illegally in the country.

While some further amendments still could be considered, the measure appeared headed to a final Senate vote by the end of the week after the procedural motion passed in a 67-31 vote."

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 09:04 PM
Hi Guys,

As below Cruz ammendment supported by Hatch is going to be on floor.

It has all our wishes may be more than Wayne ammendment. May be should call all senetors to support Cruz S1586 (support of HATCH)

We will stick to the current plan of gathering support for Warren Amendment. Sen. Cruz is not supporting the bill, which is why most likely his amendment will be defeated, it doesn't matter what he is offering. That is how the system works.

ikass
06-26-2013, 10:02 PM
Made calls to the Senators today... will do more tomorrow.

Thanks

devasuresh
06-26-2013, 10:30 PM
pl push this thread on homepage...I had to traverse 3 pages to get here

Hi and Administrators,

Cruz #1586 (co-sponspesed by Hatch) will voted tomorrow i.e. June 27th 2013 on senate floor as per below link.

Grassley objects to consideration of managers package and votes on series of bipartisan list of amendments to Immigration bill | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2013/06/26/grassley-objects-to-consideration-of-managers-package-and-votes-on-series-of-bipartisan-list-of-amendments-to-immigration-bill/)

It has all fixes we wished like

1. More EB visas
2. No STEM 5 year degree limit
3. No Country Limit etc..


And I think many more in our wish list... Some body can volunteer to find them and it is mainly for leagal and immigration visas.

I do not know when will be warren ammendment will be on senate floor.but Cruz ammendment will be there on senate floor.

Can we please call senator offices to vote in support of it?

Administrator2
06-26-2013, 11:07 PM
Hi and Administrators,

Cruz #1586 (co-sponspesed by Hatch) will voted tomorrow i.e. June 27th 2013 on senate floor as per below link.

Grassley objects to consideration of managers package and votes on series of bipartisan list of amendments to Immigration bill | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2013/06/26/grassley-objects-to-consideration-of-managers-package-and-votes-on-series-of-bipartisan-list-of-amendments-to-immigration-bill/)

It has all fixes we wished like

1. More EB visas
2. No STEM 5 year degree limit
3. No Country Limit etc..


And I think many more in our wish list... Some body can volunteer to find them and it is mainly for leagal and immigration visas.

I do not know when will be warren ammendment will be on senate floor.but Cruz ammendment will be there on senate floor.

Can we please call senator offices to vote in support of it?

This amendment was defeated in Judiciary committee. This amendment has zero chance of passing.

devasuresh
06-27-2013, 12:16 AM
This amendment was defeated in Judiciary committee. This amendment has zero chance of passing.

Hi Administrator,

I did not see your earlier comment... before posting another reply

And posted reply on Cruz ammendment.

Yes it was defeated in Judieciery comment.

Please delete my quotes and thread if you think they are not needed...

Just some hopes that some wonder will happen may 1586 would passed of course it is very unlikely as u mentioned.

legalimmi11
06-27-2013, 07:57 AM
Emailed and called Senators and contributed $100 to support IV.

Your receipt number for this payment is: 5288-5893-6190-1873.

The Alchemist
06-27-2013, 09:44 AM
Important Update on Immigration Reform (http://www.getresponse.com/archive/ivnewsletter/Important-Update-on-Immigration-Reform-11586978.html)

LglImi
06-27-2013, 10:19 AM
Democrats want to leave our best amendment 1532 out.....Team, keep calling and keep the pressure... Hope some respect for legals law followers arise in the hearts of a few...everybody(especially Democrat leadership) want to make sure there is a "sure shot" path to citizenship for illegals, but all kind of loopholes for legal law followers like us..

Senator Reid asked unanimous consent that a manager’s package of amendments, which is at the desk, be in order and considered, en bloc; that the Senate proceed to vote on adoption of the amendments in this package, en bloc; that upon disposition of the manager’s package, the following amendments be in order to be called up and the clerks be authorized to modify the instruction lines to fit the committee-reported amendment, as amended, where necessary:

- Sessions #1334;

- Hirono #1718;

- Fischer #1594;

- Blumenthal #1636;

- Vitter #1445;

- Brown #1311;

- Toomey #1599;

- Hagan #1386;

- Coats #1563;

- McCaskill #1457;

- Johnson (WI) #1380;

- Boxer #1260;

- Cruz #1580;

- Feinstein #1250;

- Lee #1214;

- Udall (NM) #1218;

- Vitter #1577;

- Tester #1459;

- Vitter #1474;

- Heitkamp #1593;

- Lee #1207;

- Whitehouse #1419;

- Cruz #1579;

- Udall (NM) #1691;

- Cruz #1583;

- Heinrich #1342;

- Cruz #1585;

- Reed (RI) #1608;

- Cruz #1586;

- Nelson-Wicker #1253;

- McCain-Cardin #1469; and

- Portman-Tester #1634.



That at 9am, Thursday, June 27th, the Senate proceed to votes in relation to the amendments in the order listed; that the amendments be subject to a 60 affirmative vote threshold; that there be two minutes equally divided prior to each vote; and all after the first vote be ten minute votes; that upon disposition of the Portman-Tester amendment #1634, the pending amendments to the underlying bill be withdrawn; the Majority Leader then be recognized for the purpose of raising points of order against the remaining pending amendments to the substitute amendment; that after the amendments fall, the substitute amendment, as amended, be agreed to; the cloture motion with respect to the S.744 be withdrawn; the bill, as amended, be read a third time, and the Senate proceed to vote on passage of the bill, as amended.

Administrator2
06-27-2013, 11:03 AM
Final vote on the bill in Senate at 4pm today

LglImi
06-27-2013, 12:16 PM
Final vote on the bill in Senate at 4pm today

Its all about illegals for Democratic leadership. As soon as they get a clear path to citizenship - who care about skilled immigrants who followed law: Just vote it ahead.

For me now, without Warren amendment - better this bill fail in House, irrespective of the (incomplete) goodies it is bringing and the unfairness legals are being treated with. EAD ASAP to all illegals, but legals - sorry please...wait until your employer goes bankrupt and start the process again.

GCOP
06-27-2013, 12:18 PM
I have been calling the offices of Senators everyday including Senate Majority leader's office. Even called today also. It is really disappointing that Warren amendment 1532 is not considered in the amendment package for voting.
I feel that at least voice vote should have been considered for Warren amendment 1532 which is non controversial and will easily pass with bipartisan support, if it is given chance.

keyurpatel80
06-27-2013, 12:32 PM
I have been calling the offices of Senators everyday including Senate Majority leader's office. Even called today also. It is really disappointing that Warren amendment 1532 is not considered in the amendment package for voting.
I feel that at least voice vote should have been considered for Warren amendment 1532 which is non controversial and will easily pass with bipartisan support, if it is given chance.

Is not the amendment by Hatch was approved where we can file adjustment of status (I 485) if our I-140 is cleared ??

Amig
06-27-2013, 12:40 PM
Guys

Don't loose hope yet. The senator for Louisiana, requested a consent by both parties to a list of amendments that she think are agreeable to all. What amendments are part of it, i don't know.

It will be all clear by 4 pm and later in day when we get more details. Keep calling....

LglImi
06-27-2013, 01:34 PM
Its all about illegals for Democratic leadership. As soon as they get a clear path to citizenship - who care about skilled immigrants who followed law: Just vote it ahead.

For me now, without Warren amendment - better this bill fail in House, irrespective of the (incomplete) goodies it is bringing and the unfairness legals are being treated with. EAD ASAP to all illegals, but legals - sorry please...wait until your employer goes bankrupt and start the process again.

Thanks IV for all the effort and we should keep trying(calling, emailing, contributing) even though Democrat Leadership don't care about us..

bpratap
06-27-2013, 02:20 PM
Lets make our last effort before senate starts voting on the bill.

Lets Jam the phone lines of Senators office with our calls for Warren Amendment 1532.

Keep calling !!!

shortduck
06-27-2013, 02:21 PM
how about Warren Amendment.

I have been calling the offices all they say is we are undecided.

This is which office? I will call them too right away.

PC2013
06-27-2013, 02:25 PM
I sent email to support warren amendment #1532. Also donated $100. Appreciate IV efforts in getting CIR passed.

bpratap
06-27-2013, 02:30 PM
phone calls is the need of the hour ! Please make phone calls to senator's office !

I sent email to support warren amendment #1532. Also donated $100. Appreciate IV efforts in getting CIR passed.

LglImi
06-27-2013, 02:50 PM
phone calls is the need of the hour ! Please make phone calls to senator's office !

Called 6 Senators, 3 Rep, 3 Dems

Dem response - Dems dont give a damn to their own democratic Senator Warren's amendment - they want to vote Yes on citizenship to illegals, and they are eager to vote on that at 4pm today.

Republican response - Very positive "We will pass onto the Senator to support this amendment and we support skilled legal immigrants"

shortduck
06-27-2013, 02:57 PM
Hey,
To all the office that I have called, they are saying since the closure motion is already done they wont be discussing any more amendments.

Admin: please let us the current stand on this.

Meanwhile I am calling. ohh btw,
Sen. Roger Wicker (REP - MS) 202-224-6253 - He is voting against the bill, members please call this office. esp ppl from Mississippi.

Thanks

Flyingcrow
06-27-2013, 04:02 PM
And the voting starts..

LglImi
06-27-2013, 04:08 PM
And the voting starts..

Voting on bill or amendment?

gcbikari
06-27-2013, 04:09 PM
on bill, looks like 67 or 68 aye (Yes)
Voting on bill or amendment?

Flyingcrow
06-27-2013, 04:11 PM
68/32

LglImi
06-27-2013, 04:12 PM
Voting on bill or amendment?
68-32.. it passes, without the amendment...

agopal
06-27-2013, 04:12 PM
Bill as amended is passed

Very disappointed that Mr. Toomey (PA) said Nay in spite of having called him many times!

LglImi
06-27-2013, 04:14 PM
Bill as amended is passed

Very disappointed that Mr. Toomey (PA) said Nay in spite of having called him many times!

What you mean as bill as amended....did the warren amendment make it?

Flyingcrow
06-27-2013, 04:27 PM
Bill as amended - amended with other ammendments. Warren's did not make it even to the floor.

iamgsprabhu
06-27-2013, 04:28 PM
Can someone summarize what amendment is voted ?

1. How will it effect us i.e. EB3 whose priority date on or before 2005 ?
2. How soon will it be in effective ?

Thanks
Prabhu

shortduck
06-27-2013, 04:32 PM
I was hoping for 70 atleast.

Lets roll our sleeves for the roadblock ahead.

Flyingcrow
06-27-2013, 04:34 PM
The final bill was voted, not ammendment. So nothing will happen until October 2014, I believe that we can't file for AOS to get EADs until October 2014.

imh1b
06-27-2013, 04:40 PM
The final bill was voted, not ammendment. So nothing will happen until October 2014, I believe that we can't file for AOS to get EADs until October 2014.

It can all positively change in House and then later. Even effective date can be changed. There are many opportunities if we try hard.

At least first step is cleared. Time to focus on next one. Thank you IV.

Flyingcrow
06-27-2013, 04:43 PM
Guys, I was just answering the below question from the passed senate bill perspective.

Can someone summarize what amendment is voted ?

1. How will it effect us i.e. EB3 whose priority date on or before 2005 ?
2. How soon will it be in effective ?

Thanks
Prabhu

jetflyer
06-27-2013, 05:28 PM
IV,

Thanks for the great Work.

it passes 68-32.

Lets party tonite until we start a new battle from Tommorrow!

Friends,

I dont understand why we are happy and wants to have party. we all know that it is not going to pass in house. i am not being negative,

now everyone will start saying bad to me because they just want to hear what they want to hear. in reality we all know the situation in house. even all news channels are saying that in house it is not going to go through.

Jet

LglImi
06-27-2013, 05:35 PM
Friends,

I dont understand why we are happy and wants to have party. we all know that it is not going to pass in house. i am not being negative,

now everyone will start saying bad to me because they just want to hear what they want to hear. in reality we all know the situation in house. even all news channels are saying that in house it is not going to go through.

Jet

I dont mind if this bill fails. Without 5yr clause removal - no help for me and many other IVians who are in 6th year of H1B and were getting PERM waiver with Warren's 10yr amendment.

But THANKS!! to IV team for what we have...Good luck to all..

jetflyer
06-27-2013, 05:47 PM
I dont mind if this bill fails. Without 5yr clause removal - no help for me and many other IVians who are in 6th year of H1B and were getting PERM waiver with Warren's 10yr amendment.

But THANKS!! to IV team for what we have...Good luck to all..

First time my friend you gave a good response. Thanks to IVians and people like you who were trying to make this thing happen. we all knew that it is going to pass senate with majority (not surprising). main thing is house and you know the situation. John boehner again said just now, that may be even he will not even take this bill.

what do you think about House prospects?

Jet

Administrator2
06-27-2013, 06:00 PM
I dont mind if this bill fails. Without 5yr clause removal - no help for me and many other IVians who are in 6th year of H1B and were getting PERM waiver with Warren's 10yr amendment.

But THANKS!! to IV team for what we have...Good luck to all..

Please allow me to clarify. The bill has many good provisions that we have advocated for the last decade. Infact some of the provisions in the bill were championed by us, long before anyone knew that such changes are necessary. In that sense, we got a lot out of the bill. Yes, we did not get everything that we wanted. That's why there is House bill, and then conference committee. We all just need to continue to keep the pressure if you want to see more positive changes to be added to the bill. It may be difficult for many folks to understand but the most consequential will be Conference committee. That is where most of these changes/fixes will be added. We just need to bring in more energy into the system if we really want to see these changes.

As far as STEM 5 yr provision is concerned, we got four of our key provisions:
1.) Removal of per-country limits
2.) Exemption for dependents
3.) Recapture of unused green cards from previous years
4.) STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count

These together will be able to resolve good part of the backlog. Sure, it would have been great to get 5 yr STEM provision extended to 10 yrs, but with that you will still get the benefit from other provisions in the bill, which will probably have the same affect. If are waiting for long then you probably already have approved labor certification. So you would have not benefited as much from not having to file for labor cert. You could have benefited from numerical exemption from visa number, but then there will be ample of visas if these four provisions from Senate bill can survive the conference.

Guys, please, we know we did not get everything we wanted. But nobody got everything that they wanted. We have to get over the things we could not get in the Senate, and work to get those provisions in the House bill and Conference. Look at the bright side. Senate bill is a Great bill to address backlogs. The good provisions in the Senate bill will help reduce backlogs.

Murthy
06-27-2013, 06:16 PM
Please allow me to clarify. The bill has many good provisions that we have advocated for the last decade. Infact some of the provisions in the bill were championed by us, long before anyone knew that such changes are necessary. In that sense, we got a lot out of the bill. Yes, we did not get everything that we wanted. That's why there is House bill, and then conference committee. We all just need to continue to keep the pressure if you want to see more positive changes to be added to the bill. It may be difficult for many folks to understand but the most consequential will be Conference committee. That is where most of these changes/fixes will be added. We just need to bring in more energy into the system if we really want to see these changes.

As far as STEM 5 yr provision is concerned, we got four of our key provisions:
1.) Removal of per-country limits
2.) Exemption for dependents
3.) Recapture of unused green cards from previous years
4.) STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count

These together will be able to resolve good part of the backlog. Sure, it would have been great to get 5 yr STEM provision extended to 10 yrs, but with that you will still get the benefit from other provisions in the bill, which will probably have the same affect. If are waiting for long then you probably already have approved labor certification. So you would have not benefited as much from not having to file for labor cert. You could have benefited from numerical exemption from visa number, but then there will be ample of visas if these four provisions from Senate bill can survive the conference.

Guys, please, we know we did not get everything we wanted. But nobody got everything that they wanted. We have to get over the things we could not get in the Senate, and work to get those provisions in the House bill and Conference. Look at the bright side. Senate bill is a Great bill to address backlogs. The good provisions in the Senate bill will help reduce backlogs.

Aman: As long as these 4 important items are preserved until it becomes law,we should be happy and satisfied.I believe it is almost certain we are not getting Warren's 1532 amendment .Still we should not get disappointed and loose energy. As Aman has informed we must preserve our 4 important achievements and work with more energy.

jetflyer
06-27-2013, 06:29 PM
Factbox: Scenarios for immigration legislation (http://news.yahoo.com/factbox-scenarios-immigration-legislation-220556273.html)

LglImi
06-27-2013, 08:30 PM
Please allow me to clarify. The bill has many good provisions that we have advocated for the last decade. Infact some of the provisions in the bill were championed by us, long before anyone knew that such changes are necessary. In that sense, we got a lot out of the bill. Yes, we did not get everything that we wanted. That's why there is House bill, and then conference committee. We all just need to continue to keep the pressure if you want to see more positive changes to be added to the bill. It may be difficult for many folks to understand but the most consequential will be Conference committee. That is where most of these changes/fixes will be added. We just need to bring in more energy into the system if we really want to see these changes.

As far as STEM 5 yr provision is concerned, we got four of our key provisions:
1.) Removal of per-country limits
2.) Exemption for dependents
3.) Recapture of unused green cards from previous years
4.) STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count

These together will be able to resolve good part of the backlog. Sure, it would have been great to get 5 yr STEM provision extended to 10 yrs, but with that you will still get the benefit from other provisions in the bill, which will probably have the same affect. If are waiting for long then you probably already have approved labor certification. So you would have not benefited as much from not having to file for labor cert. You could have benefited from numerical exemption from visa number, but then there will be ample of visas if these four provisions from Senate bill can survive the conference.

Guys, please, we know we did not get everything we wanted. But nobody got everything that they wanted. We have to get over the things we could not get in the Senate, and work to get those provisions in the House bill and Conference. Look at the bright side. Senate bill is a Great bill to address backlogs. The good provisions in the Senate bill will help reduce backlogs.

Aman - agreed and again awesome job. Thanks! We were calling senators not just for 5yr amendment, but bill in general. Waiting for next action items...

On other hand, can you please clarify your 4th point listed above: Is all STEM from US university exempt from PERM labor certification or only STEM in last 5yrs...

Also, is there a plan to push Warren type amendment with some congressman in House?

ramap
06-27-2013, 08:53 PM
Thanks IV
Another $200 donated
Transaction ID: 3E398793XA153691H

cyrilg
06-27-2013, 09:01 PM
We've made progress. Thanks a lot for IV's hard work and every members support.
Lets continue the good work and see the bill becomes law such that it favors us.
:D

devasuresh
06-27-2013, 10:32 PM
It seems house is following Peace-Meal approach on immigration reform.

HR 2131 with 50,000 visas for STEM and removal country is approved in House Judiciary Comitee

House Judiciary Committee Approves High-Skilled Immigration Bill

Statement of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte

Do we have any action items on this just in

somberi
06-27-2013, 11:05 PM
Dear Friends,

first off let me congratulate one and all and especially IV on the passage of this bill in the senate. In the backdrop of this and the expected forward movement in the august visa bulleting, can we have an action item to deal with the perm processing times. this is currently taking upwards of 5 months. When PERM started in 2005, he promise of PERM was 15 days. it has usually been about 3 months, but these days it is upwards of 5 months.

suggesting this since this is likely to be a short quiet period before the house dliberations start in earnestand it is in IV's interest also to have a constant stream of action items to keep the troops marshalled...This is also something that would have universal appeal and not just for ppl form certain countries..

Cheers

Administrator2
06-27-2013, 11:12 PM
Aman - agreed and again awesome job. Thanks! We were calling senators not just for 5yr amendment, but bill in general. Waiting for next action items...

On other hand, can you please clarify your 4th point listed above: Is all STEM from US university exempt from PERM labor certification or only STEM in last 5yrs...

Also, is there a plan to push Warren type amendment with some congressman in House?

I apologize, should have noted clearly. As of now, 4th provision means

> STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count if the priority date is within 5 years of earning STEM degree.

We will continue to push for provisions that are inclusive of long backlogged skilled immigrants. But to get this done, please engage more friends, colleagues, neighbors etc. This can be done if enough people step-up. We got the amendment introduced, and will try to get that on the House side as well. But will need everyone to recruit and engage more people.

imh1b
06-28-2013, 08:55 AM
Dear Friends,

first off let me congratulate one and all and especially IV on the passage of this bill in the senate. In the backdrop of this and the expected forward movement in the august visa bulleting, can we have an action item to deal with the perm processing times. this is currently taking upwards of 5 months. When PERM started in 2005, he promise of PERM was 15 days. it has usually been about 3 months, but these days it is upwards of 5 months.

suggesting this since this is likely to be a short quiet period before the house dliberations start in earnestand it is in IV's interest also to have a constant stream of action items to keep the troops marshalled...This is also something that would have universal appeal and not just for ppl form certain countries..

Cheers
Firstly there is no official commitment or any document that says government promised PERM in 15 days. Can you point to any proof?

Even if you get PERM in one day , you will still be stuck for many months in I140 and then many years in I485. So it does not really make sense to focus on reducing PERM wait times from 90 days to 30 days. You may have a unique personal situation but it is actually least of the worry. You have just started your greencard process and you are only thinking about PERM. You have no idea what lies ahead. The wait times will be unbearable for you as you move ahead in your greencard application.

LglImi
06-28-2013, 09:34 AM
Firstly there is no official commitment or any document that says government promised PERM in 15 days. Can you point to any proof?

Even if you get PERM in one day , you will still be stuck for many months in I140 and then many years in I485. So it does not really make sense to focus on reducing PERM wait times from 90 days to 30 days. You may have a unique personal situation but it is actually least of the worry. You have just started your greencard process and you are only thinking about PERM. You have no idea what lies ahead. The wait times will be unbearable for you as you move ahead in your greencard application.

Can you please elaborate how his situation is a unique situation?? "All" high skilled immigrants whose PERM is being filed is taking 5-6 months. Looks like your PERM is filed - and now everybody becomes a unique situation for you....stop the hipocracy.

YES, it does matter 1 day Vs 5-6 months in PERM "decision" - because decision can be negative and skilled immigrant need to look for alternatives on the elimited time he has on H1B Visa. Your PERM is approved doesnt mean everybody's is approved....

imh1b
06-28-2013, 09:44 AM
Can you please elaborate how his situation is a unique situation?? "All" high skilled immigrants whose PERM is being filed is taking 5-6 months. Looks like your PERM is filed - and now everybody becomes a unique situation for you....stop the hipocracy.

YES, it does matter 1 day Vs 5-6 months in PERM "decision" - because decision can be negative and skilled immigrant need to look for alternatives on the elimited time he has on H1B Visa. Your PERM is approved doesnt mean everybody's is approved....

If PERM is important to you then you and Sombari can team up and get it reduced from 90 days to 1 day. You can travel, meet Senators, USCIS etc. It is actually a good thing and you will help other people like you. For me CIR is important. Removing the I485 backlog is the most important issue why greencard takes years and decade. PERM is not the reason for backlog.

LglImi
06-28-2013, 09:55 AM
If PERM is important to you then you and Sombari can team up and get it reduced from 90 days to 1 day. You can travel, meet Senators, USCIS etc. It is actually a good thing and you will help other people like you. For me CIR is important. Removing the I485 backlog is the most important issue why greencard takes years and decade. PERM is not the reason for backlog.

And backlog is not the only reason for issues faced by skilled immigrants. Again, stop the hipocracy, your PERM is approved donot mean everybody's is...

GCOP
06-28-2013, 10:05 AM
Thanks to Aman & IV team for our provisions included in the base bill AND for nonstop efforts to get amendments included.
Although we were not successful to get our amendments included. But Aman & IV team have tried everything they could. Thanks for Commendable Efforts.
Thanks a lot,

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Participated in Advocacy Efforts in Wasington DC, in April 2011 & Jan.2012
Participated in DC Rally in 2007 , All Action Items & Contributed also.

imh1b
06-28-2013, 10:05 AM
And backlog is not the only reason for issues faced by skilled immigrants. Again, stop the hipocracy, your PERM is approved donot mean everybody's is...

Tell me please why are we all stuck without greencards? What is the single most important issue why most people without greencards are fighting? Why we need CIR to pass with greencard provisions?

Administrator2
06-28-2013, 10:20 AM
Guys, please, this is not helping. It is not like drinking cool-aid from a different cup. These issues are complicated, and although it may seem simple to us, anything in Government takes a long time. Moreover, the process in the House is underway. The bill debate doesn't start on the day when the bill shows up on the floor of the Congress, rather, by that time the battle-lines are already drawn, and its already decided who stands where on each issue. We will encourage everyone to call your local House representative to get the schedule of town hall meetings for next week. And spend 30 minutes constructively to attend the town hall and raising the issue of Immigration reform. Arguing on forums doesn't help anyone. Infact arguing on the forums is the best way to waste your valuable time. We ask you to spend time out of forums, in the real world, and not waste time with meaningless arguments. If we haven't already said it FORUMS ARE WASTE OF TIME. Politics is still old fashion and it demands 1-1 interaction. Online petitions and forum discussions etc are only good for organizing. But for any outcome, this organizing must translate into real action, out of virtual world, into the real world.

Please look beyond the immediate issue affecting your individual applications. Even if you get past PERM labor, you will still be in deep sea for decades if the bill doesn't pass. What good will it do? You are worried about 5 months, we are asking you to act and protect yourself from having to wait 15 years.

Please focus on the Immigration Reform. There is no magic wand. We need more people to step up. If you are not willing to step up and if you think others will do their share and you somehow can skip doing the real work then you would be only fooling yourself.

We ask everyone to NOT waste time on the forums and go out and make phone calls, go to town halls meetings, call your local Congressman and schedule a meeting with the member/staff. If possible, take friends and neighbors to the meetings/town-halls. There is nothing to be afraid of. Rather, you will find that calling your Congressman's office and meeting with them is very fulfilling. You will have real sense of having positively contributed to the debate. Then start developing relationship with the local Congressman's office. Be in constant communication, say once a week or fortnight. If nothing else, send them the latest article on the subject in local publication. We have been doing the exact same things for years, and we have made progress. That is shoe and leather advocacy which is effective and it produces results. It takes time. No single meeting will produce the end result. But the sum total of all the meetings in every part of the country WILL yield results. We request everyone to be smart about how you spend time.

shortduck
06-28-2013, 10:32 AM
I also believe that just the following 4 things will help to bring down the back-lock.

As far as STEM 5 yr provision is concerned, we got four of our key provisions:
1.) Removal of per-country limits
2.) Exemption for dependents
3.) Recapture of unused green cards from previous years
4.) STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count

Thanks IV.

DallasBlue
06-28-2013, 10:37 AM
Factbox: Scenarios for immigration legislation (http://news.yahoo.com/factbox-scenarios-immigration-legislation-220556273.html)

very true. Nothing will change as long as both the senate and house are controlled by same party. they will play it out to the galleries to raise the funding.

true, as the senators know that house will not work on it so they wanted to get this bill out of their way to work on the other fund raising and seat sustaining avenues.

House GOP knows Dems never won back the house on immigration issue on the front so forget 2015 for a democratic controlled house.

same old 2k6 story , then it was DEMS/Harry Reid , now it is GOP/John Bohner. ;-0

manchala
06-28-2013, 10:39 AM
I dont mind if this bill fails. Without 5yr clause removal - no help for me and many other IVians who are in 6th year of H1B and were getting PERM waiver with Warren's 10yr amendment.

But THANKS!! to IV team for what we have...Good luck to all..

I dont understand why everyone is worried about just this provision. All other provisions make the date current for everyone. Not just Indians. Big worry should be the house version where they have more H1s but less GCs going forward. Future generations will suffer much more because of this. Lets focus on the house side.

GCOP
06-28-2013, 10:40 AM
Thanks to Aman & IV team for our provisions included in the base bill AND for nonstop efforts to get amendments included.
Although we were not successful to get our amendments included. But Aman & IV team have tried everything they could. Thanks for Commendable Efforts.
Thanks a lot,

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Participated in Advocacy Efforts in Washington DC, in April 2011 & Nov. 2012 (typo corrected, Had to post again, as Editing is not possible for the posted message)
Participated in DC Rally in 2007 , All Action Items & contributed

ronhira
06-28-2013, 10:41 AM
very true. Nothing will change as long as both the senate and house are controlled by same party. they will play it out to the galleries to raise the funding.

true, as the senators know that house will not work on it so they wanted to get this bill out of their way to work on the other fund raising and seat sustaining avenues.

House GOP knows Dems never won back the house on immigration issue on the front so forget 2015 for a democratic controlled house.

same old 2k6 story , then it was DEMS/Harry Reid , now it is GOP/John Bohner. ;-0

jetflyer is anti immigrant..... he is only discouraging people from doing anything..... his agenda is to spread pessimism..... as someone said here earlier.... pessimism is the tool of the week which is bound to bring failure.... be careful about what this guy jetflyer says..... ignore him

DallasBlue
06-28-2013, 10:52 AM
jetflyer is anti immigrant..... he is only discouraging people from doing anything..... his agenda is to spread pessimism..... as someone said here earlier.... pessimism is the tool of the week which is bound to bring failure.... be careful about what this guy jetflyer says..... ignore him


always there is a higher percentage of chance of a senate passed bill to be passed in the house than the other way around. Lets see if the lameduck WhiteHouse , just-speeches-no-action president, can break into the GOP house leadership.

Administrator2
06-28-2013, 10:55 AM
We just received the following message from extremely sincere voluteers in Dallas, TX

As you can see, people are doing their share to spread the word, whatever it maybe. You could as well step up and do your share. All that we ask is to protect your family and stand up for yourself. It doesn take much time at all. And it will be 100 times more effective and lot less than time you spend on meaningless forum discussions. Please do youself a favor and engage in real advocacy.


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Many thanks to Attorney Pallaviji Ahluwalia, we will have about five minutes on her Radio Show on Friday between 10am to 10:30 am. The Show starts at about 10am and she intends to call two of us in the early part of the show at 10am. She willsay few words about IV.Pallaviji has been a vocal supporter of the immigration bill. She has done my green card in the past and she is one of the best attorneys in the nation. Have referred many friends to her for Immigration work and she has done an awesome job.

Radio channel is 104.9 Fm for those who are in DFW area.

Four outside Dallas, you can listen to 104.9 FM on this link (There are two channels ... click on 104.9 FM)
http://www.funasia.net/index.php"

imh1b
06-28-2013, 10:56 AM
jetflyer is anti immigrant..... he is only discouraging people from doing anything..... his agenda is to spread pessimism..... as someone said here earlier.... pessimism is the tool of the week which is bound to bring failure.... be careful about what this guy jetflyer says..... ignore him

There are some new guys joined after CIR was introduced. They only post against the bill negatively. If they are true supporters they would have joined IV volunteers by now. No IV volunteer will ever post like that because we all go and meet our reps. and know better about CIR. They would have been talking about their meetings with IV instead.The fact that they post negatively means they have not and do not have interests aligned with us.

imh1b
06-28-2013, 10:57 AM
We just received the following message from extremely sincere voluteers in Dallas, TX

As you can see, people are doing their share to spread the word, whatever it maybe. You could as well step up and do your share. All that we ask is to protect your family and stand up for yourself. It doesn take much time at all. And it will be 100 times more effective and lot less than time you spend on meaningless forum discussions. Please do youself a favor and engage in real advocacy.


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Many thanks to Attorney Pallaviji Ahluwalia, we will have about five minutes on her Radio Show on Friday between 10am to 10:30 am. The Show starts at about 10am and she intends to call two of us in the early part of the show at 10am. She willsay few words about IV.Pallaviji has been a vocal supporter of the immigration bill. She has done my green card in the past and she is one of the best attorneys in the nation. Have referred many friends to her for Immigration work and she has done an awesome job.

Radio channel is 104.9 Fm for those who are in DFW area.

Four outside Dallas, you can listen to 104.9 FM on this link (There are two channels ... click on 104.9 FM)
http://www.funasia.net/index.php"

We should promote and refer business of our friends to such attorneys who support IV.

Administrator2
06-28-2013, 11:06 AM
always there is a higher percentage of chance of a senate passed bill to be passed in the house than the other way around. Lets see if the lameduck WhiteHouse , just-speeches-no-action president, can break into the GOP house leadership.

You cannot put the buden on 1 guy even if she/he is the President. Immigration bill is a large social change. Social changes are driven by public pressure, and the President can do his share. You and everyone who wants to see Immigration bill pass have to step up and do your share. Mearly saying "Lets see what the lameduck Whitehouse...." is not helping anyone. This bill is not about whether you like the President. Like any large bill, this bill will affects millions of lives. If people don't step up, if masses (which includes all of us) don't demand the change, then it wont happen. And then no one has the moral right to blame Congress or the President. You can still continue to say what you want, but it won't change anything.

Administrator2
06-28-2013, 11:09 AM
We should promote and refer business of our friends to such attorneys who support IV.

Can we please not just engage in small talk and attorney and promote business etc. Time is very precious. Please see the bigger picture. Act now, do your share, or else dont complain latter.

Administrator2
06-28-2013, 11:24 AM
Guys, Current House bill increase H1 limit to 195K without increasing green cards. The bill of 1986 created a systen of H and L visa and the EB system. After 27 years, Congress is trying to improve upon the current system. If the new proposed system surives for 20 years, the House bill will being in 10 million more people on H &L visa than the number of green cards offered. Over 20 years period, House bill will being in 14 Million immigrants that will be feeder system to EB system. But during the same period, House bill will allocate 3.3 million EB green cards. That means green card deficit of 10 million.

This will increase backlogs, not reduce backlogs. The new backlogs will ve so large thaf it will make current backlogs look like the best time of our lives.

Engage and call your local Congressman NOW. Setup an appointment with the local office and meet with them. This is very important.

shortduck
06-28-2013, 12:10 PM
ok Admin/Aman/Pappu

1. Please replace the existing home page action item with a new one.

2. Pls insert link to find local representative: Find Your Representative · House.gov (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/)

3. We will also need to facts and figures to explain them.

Lastly, when is the house bill coming up for discussion ?

Thanks

gaurav77
06-28-2013, 12:20 PM
Aman/IV Core,

First of all, we all applaud your leadership, initiative and perseverance , in trying to make such a big difference to the community and the generations to come. Congratulations to all for the first milestone, while we roll our sleeves for the second and final one. Let us all spread the word and motivate whoever we can in joining this initiative.

I will call my local Congressmen Albio Sires (8th District, NJ) today to setup a meeting. And soon I will do the same the nearby districts too. Is there any background material we can use as part of the influencing process? i am basically looking for a structure to my communication with the congressmen, outlining what issues to raise, how to connect with them and try to influence them towards our side (using facts & reason).

Regards

madhu345
06-28-2013, 02:18 PM
We keep on saying this will happen but no body clearly says when ?

1.) Removal of per-country limits
When ?
2.) Exemption for dependents
When?
3.) Recapture of unused green cards from previous years
When?
4.) STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count
When?

If we all do our tasks and president signs the bill:p

sripk
06-28-2013, 02:22 PM
Hi, I was wondering if the 5yr limit is with respect to priority date or current calendar date.
For Example if you filed for GC within 5years of graduating in EB3 category then are you eligible for STEM exemption? It is more than 5years if you count from current calender date so this is not clear to me.

greyhair
06-28-2013, 03:23 PM
Hi, I was wondering if the 5yr limit is with respect to priority date or current calendar date.
For Example if you filed for GC within 5years of graduating in EB3 category then are you eligible for STEM exemption? It is more than 5years if you count from current calender date so this is not clear to me.

Red this. It was posted earlier on this thread

I apologize, should have noted clearly. As of now, 4th provision means

> STEM exemption from labor certification and numerical count if the priority date is within 5 years of earning STEM degree.

We will continue to push for provisions that are inclusive of long backlogged skilled immigrants. But to get this done, please engage more friends, colleagues, neighbors etc. This can be done if enough people step-up. We got the amendment introduced, and will try to get that on the House side as well. But will need everyone to recruit and engage more people.

Administrator2
06-29-2013, 09:52 AM
To better understand what works, click on the link below and scroll to Minute 44 to hear if internet based petitions or online virtual march style has any affect.

Lofgren, Diaz-Balart on House Immigration Bill: Video - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/lofgren-diaz-balart-on-house-immigration-bill-1md7Yuv_TbS4M2rNAkZOIg.html)

As Congresswoman Lofgren and Congressman Diaz-Balart emphatically said - the most effective method to get support for any issue is to call and email your Member of Congress.

immigrant2007
06-29-2013, 06:41 PM
You cannot put the buden on 1 guy even if she/he is the President. Immigration bill is a large social change. Social changes are driven by public pressure, and the President can do his share. You and everyone who wants to see Immigration bill pass have to step up and do your share. Mearly saying "Lets see what the lameduck Whitehouse...." is not helping anyone. This bill is not about whether you like the President. Like any large bill, this bill will affects millions of lives. If people don't step up, if masses (which includes all of us) don't demand the change, then it wont happen. And then no one has the moral right to blame Congress or the President. You can still continue to say what you want, but it won't change anything.

With all due respect, do you really believe it is social change? If anything had to do with social changes then EB bill would have passed long ago we are also part of social system not outside it.

Administrator2
06-29-2013, 11:37 PM
With all due respect, do you really believe it is social change? If anything had to do with social changes then EB bill would have passed long ago we are also part of social system not outside it.

Not sure what's your point. For well known reasons EB bill is unlikely to happen by itself. Get over it so you can see what is possible. Simply talking about EB reform will not help. If you have the strength, horn and the check book to convince Senate & House, please go right ahead and convince the Congress to do EB bill. If not, what is the point of unnecessary argument.

Large immigration bill that just passed the Senate is a social change. If it isn't, then don't know what is. And if you still disagree, forget about the label. All that we were trying to say was - President by himself can't pass large bills. Confress passes bills based on the mood of the people. And so, everyone who wants to see this bill pass need to step up and speak with their Member of Congress. You can disagree for all you want, but please feel free to push for EB only bill, if that is what you believe in.

spaceguy
06-30-2013, 10:44 AM
ok Admin/Aman/Pappu

1. Please replace the existing home page action item with a new one.

2. Pls insert link to find local representative: Find Your Representative · House.gov (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/)

3. We will also need to facts and figures to explain them.

Lastly, when is the house bill coming up for discussion ?

Thanks

As shortduck mentioned ,Please update the action item. What do we need to talk when we call congressman

Flyingcrow
07-01-2013, 10:15 AM
Aman,

Not sucking up to you but I totally concur with you!

I know even I have posted some negative comment before on this forum therefore it's not fair on my part to say this

BUT I make a request to you
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Please disregard all these noise and KEEP UP the good work you are doing in leading us.

Having said that please update us as to what you think will be the approach of the HOUSE; as they say they won't take up this S744 bill :(

You have led us to reach the 50 yard line like a good quarterback; now help us score the HOMERUN :)

Since we love cricket "be our Javed Miandad and score 6 of the last Ball! :)"

THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE!!!

ashutrip, you had earlier mentioned that you are a resident of Florida. And someone else had already pointed out, as how you should make contact with your state chapter, and sign up to volunteer. If you have already done that, cool, but from your above message it did not look like it. So again, can you please mail to "fl at immigrationvoice dot org" and ask that you would like to volunteer?

Flyingcrow
07-01-2013, 10:18 AM
@ashutrip You seem passionate about it, so I would request you to put your time and energy to better use than wasting it up on the forum.

apshodh
07-01-2013, 01:35 PM
Not sure what's your point. For well known reasons EB bill is unlikely to happen by itself. Get over it so you can see what is possible. Simply talking about EB reform will not help. If you have the strength, horn and the check book to convince Senate & House, please go right ahead and convince the Congress to do EB bill. If not, what is the point of unnecessary argument.

Large immigration bill that just passed the Senate is a social change. If it isn't, then don't know what is. And if you still disagree, forget about the label. All that we were trying to say was - President by himself can't pass large bills. Confress passes bills based on the mood of the people. And so, everyone who wants to see this bill pass need to step up and speak with their Member of Congress. You can disagree for all you want, but please feel free to push for EB only bill, if that is what you believe in.

Dear Friends,

I believe there has never been a better time for legal immigrants to push their case. House which is has a majority of republicans are more inclined towards legal immigrants than illegal. If you read all the recent articles you will see that all the republicans despise the current Senate bill , but they are also saying that they would like to see more for legal immigrants. Republicans in GOP are saying that legal immigrants who have followed the law should not be penalized at the cost of illegal immigrants. Republicans are more sympathetic towards legal immigrants.

If there was a good time, then it is now. We should work hard to push our case in House and get more amendmends in House bill. When House and Senate hold conference to consolidate both their bills we should see that our provisions make through. It seems Senate (Democrats) mostly cares for illegal immigrants whereas House ( Republicans ) cares for legal immigrants more than illegal ones.

Taking this in to consideration we should consider this time window as once in lifetime opportunity to push our case. Please let us put our egos aside and for once work towards betterment of our brothers and sisters. Its now or never.

Good luck and Happy Independence day in advance !

madhu345
07-01-2013, 02:08 PM
Is there any time frame that House is considering to floor the bill?

tammman
07-01-2013, 03:06 PM
Sent emails to CA senators

ronhira
07-01-2013, 08:30 PM
Dear Friends,

I believe there has never been a better time for legal immigrants to push their case. House which is has a majority of republicans are more inclined towards legal immigrants than illegal. If you read all the recent articles you will see that all the republicans despise the current Senate bill , but they are also saying that they would like to see more for legal immigrants. Republicans in GOP are saying that legal immigrants who have followed the law should not be penalized at the cost of illegal immigrants. Republicans are more sympathetic towards legal immigrants.

If there was a good time, then it is now. We should work hard to push our case in House and get more amendmends in House bill. When House and Senate hold conference to consolidate both their bills we should see that our provisions make through. It seems Senate (Democrats) mostly cares for illegal immigrants whereas House ( Republicans ) cares for legal immigrants more than illegal ones.

Taking this in to consideration we should consider this time window as once in lifetime opportunity to push our case. Please let us put our egos aside and for once work towards betterment of our brothers and sisters. Its now or never.

Good luck and Happy Independence day in advance !

there couldn't be dumber comments.....

did u not read the recent newsletter..... when house republicans say that they r for legal immigrants..... it means they want to increase h1 quota to 195,000 & no green card quota increase.... republicans r mostly in the pocket of us chamber of commerce..... they want to get more people so the cost of hr will go down for big business..... house republicans do not want more people on green cards..... they just want more "guest workers"..... obviously u fell for their talking points, no big deal.....

for anybody to think that house republicans are for legal immigrants to get more green cards.... u should first read house republicans stem jobs act bill..... & anyone who thinks that senate democrats did not want legal immigrants to get green cards..... read senate immigration bill.....

appearances are deceptive...... simple mind tries to find easy explanation for events..... in real life nothing is simple...... it is easy to conclude that democrats r only for illegals & republicans r only for legal immigrants..... truth is far from it & this is the dumbest conclusion one can draw.... u can't paint everyone with the same brush.... its like saying all blacks r good at football.... or all indians r good at cricket..... as u can tell, this is not true either......

house republicans only want more h1 visas.... the last newsletter said that house bill will create backlog of 10 million people...... this is 10 times bigger than current backlog...... with that kind of backlog..... there will be a lot of slave trade of people on h1...... keep counting on house republicans.....

lang..uage11
01-09-2014, 11:47 PM
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