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greencard.wait
10-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Did anyone has youtube link where Romney mentioned we should give Green card to all Legal immigrates who are graduated from here.

I am in full support of Romney.

gaz
10-16-2012, 10:34 PM
Did anyone has youtube link where Romney mentioned we should give Green card to all Legal immigrates who are graduated from here.

I am in full support of Romney.

"Theres many a slip twixt the cup and the lip"

firmly entrenched in the i don't really care who wins camp.

gcharry
10-17-2012, 08:13 AM
HR 3012 is the only saviour, and not Romney or President Obama.

MahaBharatGC
10-17-2012, 09:23 AM
We know that HR3012 is our savior.
However, I am glad that someone asked straight question on Green Card (Legal Immigrants - wait).
I felt that Romney answered straight on that. Whether he will do what he said is to be seen if he becomes President. I personally liked what he said.
But Obama kind of saying same thing - comprehensive immigration reform which did not happen in his first term. I personally did not like what Obama said 100%.

So, being an in-process immigrant, I hope they look at broken Legal Immigration system with open eyes.

MahaBharatGC
10-17-2012, 09:24 AM
We know that HR3012 is our savior.
However, I am glad that someone asked straight question on Green Card (Legal Immigrants - wait).
I felt that Romney answered straight on that. Whether he will do what he said is to be seen if he becomes President. I personally liked what he said.
But Obama kind of saying same thing - comprehensive immigration reform which did not happen in his first term. I personally did not like what Obama said 100%. But I understand the situation when jobs were losing left and right at that time. I believe, It was sensitive matter then than now.
:confused:
So, being an in-process immigrant, I hope they look at broken Legal Immigration system with open eyes.

kiran_pathuri
10-17-2012, 09:31 AM
Romney now says, he will propose comprehensive immigration reforms within the first year in office. And also says that people who graduated from here should get Green Cards.

Well... 4 years ago President Obama said that he will propose a comprehenisve immigrattion reforms within the first year, which did not happen. Will Romney stand on his promise once he is in the Office? Will Grassley agree for stapling green cards to people as soon as they are out of Universities in STEM without putting any holds?

None of them correctly answered the question. They just beat around the bush. The question was something like "What will you do about giving Green Cards to people who are living legally in this country and are contributing to the society and waiting in the line?"

As soon as I heard the question, I thought like I would ask the same question. But the answer.... None of them really addressed the question. They just talked about their policies on immigration. People who are here legally and waiting in line are not vote banks, so they really don't care. We may only get the benefit as one small sub bullet point among 100 other bullet points, if and when a comprehensive immigration reform is proposed.

Our destiny is in our own hands which is HR3012 (Now I am beating around the bush and just talking our policy :)).

kiran_pathuri
10-17-2012, 09:35 AM
Romney now says, he will propose comprehensive immigration reforms within the first year in office. And also says that people who graduated from here should get Green Cards.

Well... 4 years ago President Obama said that he will propose a comprehenisve immigrattion reforms within the first year, which did not happen. Will Romney stand on his promise once he is in the Office? Will Grassley agree for stapling green cards to people as soon as they are out of Universities in STEM without putting any holds?

None of them correctly answered the question. They just beat around the bush. The question was something like "What will you do about giving Green Cards to people who are living legally in this country and are contributing to the society and waiting in the line?"

As soon as I heard the question, I thought like I would ask the same question. But the answer.... None of them really addressed the question. They just talked about their policies on immigration. People who are here legally and waiting in line are not vote banks, so they really don't care. We may only get the benefit as one small sub bullet point among 100 other bullet points, if and when a comprehensive immigration reform is proposed.

Our destiny is in our own hands which is HR3012 (Now I am beating around the bush and just talking our policy :)).

Just like to add one more point. President Obama said he has taken measures that will reduce the queue for legal immigrants. I believe it is not true as far as Employment based immigration is concerned. Has anybody know what he has done to reduce the queue for any legal immigrants, not just Employment based legal immigrants?

RohitSharma
10-17-2012, 09:43 AM
Both politicians basically brushed aside Legal immigration and talked about Illegal their kids etc. they want to prove again and again for them immigration mean illegal immigration and they will not do any changes in legal immigration.

pak
10-17-2012, 10:24 AM
QUESTION: Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?

ROMNEY: Thank you. Lorraine? Did I get that right? Good. Thank you for your question. And let me step back and tell you what I would like to do with our immigration policy broadly and include an answer to your question.

But first of all, this is a nation of immigrants. We welcome people coming to this country as immigrants. My dad was born in Mexico of American parents; Ann's dad was born in Wales and is a first-generation American. We welcome legal immigrants into this country.

I want our legal system to work better. I want it to be streamlined. I want it to be clearer. You shouldn't have to hire a lawyer to figure out how to get into this country legally. I also think that we should give visas to people green cards, rather, to people who graduate with skills that we need. People around the world with accredited degrees in science and math get a green card stapled to their diploma, come to the U.S. of A. We should make sure our legal system works.

Number two, we're going to have to stop illegal immigration. There are four million people who are waiting in line to get here legally. Those who've come here illegally take their place. So I will not grant amnesty to those who have come here illegally.

What I will do is I'll put in place an employment verification system and make sure that employers that hire people who have come here illegally are sanctioned for doing so. I won't put in place magnets for people coming here illegally. So for instance, I would not give driver's licenses to those that have come here illegally as the president would.

The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident.

Now when the president ran for office, he said that he'd put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation he'd file a bill in his first year that would reform our immigration system, protect legal immigration, stop illegal immigration. He didn't do it.

He had a Democrat House, a Democrat Senate, super majority in both Houses. Why did he fail to even promote legislation that would have provided an answer for those that want to come legally and for those that are here illegally today? That's a question I think the president will have a chance to answer right now.

OBAMA: Good, I look forward to it.

Lorraine we are a nation of immigrants. I mean we're just a few miles away from Ellis Island. We all understand what this country has become because talent from all around the world wants to come here. People are willing to take risks. People who want to build on their dreams and make sure their kids have an even bigger dreams than they have.

But we're also a nation of laws. So what I've said is we need to fix a broken immigration system and I've done everything that I can on my own and sought cooperation from Congress to make sure that we fix the system.

The first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure that they can come here and contribute to our country and that's good for our economic growth.

They'll start new businesses. They'll make things happen to create jobs here in the United States.

Number two, we do have to deal with our border so we put more border patrol on the border than any time in history and the flow of undocumented works across the border is actually lower than it's been in 40 years.

What I've also said is if we're going to go after folks who are here illegally, we should do it smartly and go after folks who are criminals, gang bangers, people who are hurting the community, not after students, not after folks who are here just because they're trying to figure out how to feed their families. And that's what we've done. And what I've also said is for young people who come here, brought here often times by their parents. Had gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag. Think of this as their country. Understand themselves as Americans in every way except having papers. And we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship.

And that's what I've done administratively. Now, Governor Romney just said, you know he wants to help those young people too, but during the Republican primary, he said, "I will veto the DREAM Act" that would allow these young people to have access. His main strategy during the Republican primary was to say, "We're going to encourage self-deportation." Making life so miserable on folks that they'll leave. He called the Arizona law a model for the nation. Part of the Arizona law said that law enforcement officers could stop folks because they suspected maybe they looked like they might be undocumented workers and check their papers.

You know what? If my daughter or yours looks to somebody like they're not a citizen, I don't want to empower somebody like that. So, we can fix this system in a comprehensive way. And when Governor Romney says, the challenge is, "Well Obama didn't try." That's not true. I have sat down with Democrats and Republicans at the beginning of my term. And I said, let's fix this system. Including Senators previously who had supported it on the Republican side. But it's very hard for Republican's in Congress to support comprehensive immigration reform, if their standard bearer has said that, this is not something I'm interested in supporting.

CROWLEY: Let me get the governor in here, Mr. President. Let's speak to, if you could . . .

ROMNEY: Yes.

CROWLEY: . . . the idea of self-deportation?

ROMNEY: No, let me go back and speak to the points that the president made and let's get them correct.

I did not say that the Arizona law was a model for the nation in that aspect. I said that the E-Verify portion of the Arizona law, which is the portion of the law which says that employers could be able to determine whether someone is here illegally or not illegally, that that was a model for the nation. That's number one.

Number two, I asked the president a question I think Hispanics and immigrants all over the nation have asked. He was asked this on Univision the other day. Why, when you said you'd filed legislation in your first year didn't you do it? And he didn't answer. He doesn't answer that question. He said the standard bearer wasn't for it.

I'm glad you thought I was a standard bearer four years ago, but I wasn't.

Four years ago you said in your first year you would file legislation.

In his first year, I was just getting licking my wounds from having been beaten by John McCain, all right. I was not the standard bearer.

My view is that this president should have honored his promise to do as he said.

Now, let me mention one other thing, and that is self-deportation says let people make their own choice. What I was saying is, we're not going to round up 12 million people, undocumented illegals, and take them out of the nation. Instead let people make their own choice. And if they find that that they can't get the benefits here that they want and they can't and they can't find the job they want, then they'll make a decision to go a place where they have better opportunities.

But I'm not in favor of rounding up people and taking them out of this country. I am in favor, as the president has said, and I agree with him, which is that if people have committed crimes we got to get them out of this country.

OBAMA: I do want to make sure that we just understand something. Governor Romney says he wasn't referring to Arizona as a model for the nation. His top adviser on immigration is the guy who designed the Arizona law, the entirety of it; not E-Verify, the whole thing. That's his policy. And it's a bad policy. And it won't help us grow.

Look, when we think about immigration, we have to understand there are folks all around the world who still see America as the land of promise. And they provide us energy and they provide us innovation and they start companies like Intel and Google. And we want to encourage that.

Now, we've got to make sure that we do it in a smart way and a comprehensive way, and we make the legal system better. But when we make this into a divisive political issue, and when we don't have bipartisan support I can deliver, Governor, a whole bunch of Democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform done, and we can't . . .

ROMNEY: I'll get it done. I'll get it done. First year . . .

OBAMA: We have not seen Republicans serious about this issue at all. And it's time for them to get serious on it.

sujan_vatrapu
10-17-2012, 10:56 AM
with President we know what we are getting, he is bringing this up at election time, at best he will make a weak attempt to pass CIR, I don't trust him, it might be true that Romney is trying to woo Hispanics with his promise but we don't know for sure, so its a choice for immigrants is "No Hope vs Slim Hope"

h1techSlave
10-17-2012, 11:01 AM
nothing - nada - nilch

The more I listen to him (the President), the more I realize that he is lying.

Just like to add one more point. President Obama said he has taken measures that will reduce the queue for legal immigrants. I believe it is not true as far as Employment based immigration is concerned. Has anybody know what he has done to reduce the queue for any legal immigrants, not just Employment based legal immigrants?

pappu
10-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Just like to add one more point. President Obama said he has taken measures that will reduce the queue for legal immigrants. I believe it is not true as far as Employment based immigration is concerned. Has anybody know what he has done to reduce the queue for any legal immigrants, not just Employment based legal immigrants?

I think it points to fixing processing delays and several positive changes being done by USCIS. Compare the delays of 2008 when he took office to now. There has been improvement. There is also more transparency. However the number of greencards cannot be increased by admin fix. It is for congress to bring a bill and pass it for the president to sign. As a policon both are on board and will sign high skill bill. But he cannot do it alone. It is congress for congress to work on.

bikram_das_in
10-17-2012, 11:28 AM
HR 3012 would have been passed by now if Republicans controlled the senate like the house. Lobby for Republicans any way you can. That's the best choice for the future of the bill and legal immigrants in general.

pappu
10-17-2012, 11:39 AM
with President we know what we are getting, he is bringing this up at election time, at best he will make a weak attempt to pass CIR, I don't trust him, it might be true that Romney is trying to woo Hispanics with his promise but we don't know for sure, so its a choice for immigrants is "No Hope vs Slim Hope"

Put yourself in the shoe of any president. Does not matter if it is a republican or democrat. As a president you are faced with a population of 14 million undocumented in your country. This is a huge number and cannot be ignored. There is also a big chunk of Hispanic population that wants to hear the policy and will vote accordingly. What will you do?

Will you not talk about CIR? Or will you ignore this big issue and tal about a small population of H1Bs who want greencards? What support do they have? How will it help the politically? The bigger question is - is this a big problem? Are people really suffering and desperate? What is the proof? Are there any rallys? How many employers have repeatedly talked about the it? How many immigrants have presented this issue?

I personally think unless we make it a big national issue, our expectations should be realistic. Most of the times we ether fight between eb2 vs eb3, show off how much better educated we are, or only worry about our priority date rather than fixing the problem. This is why most people after getting greened never come back to help fix the problem. As long as we are divided and think only about our own greencards, the progress in getting relief is going to be slow. But if more people make it a mission to get this problem fixed and are ready to make sacrifices for it, the problem can be easily fixed.

looivy
10-17-2012, 01:18 PM
HR3012 during lame duck is our best option. Work towards that.

Romney and Obama won't do sh$% for you.

gk_2000
10-17-2012, 01:32 PM
Check out the real answers here:

Real-Talk, Non-BS Answers to the Presidential Debate Questions - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/real-talk-non-bs-answers-to-the-presidential-debate-questions/263730/?google_editors_picks=true)


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Real-Talk, Non-BS Answers to the Presidential Debate Questions
By Derek Thompson

Tweet inShare1 Oct 17 2012, 10:55 AM ET 35

President Obama and Governor Romney danced around last night's economic questions because, well, they're running for president. If only they had the audacity of bluntness ...

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When you're running for president, every question is answerable, and every problem has a solution. Want to lower gas prices by a dollar? Add 18 million jobs in four years? Cut the deficit without raising taxes or cutting entitlements? Oh, there's a policy for that.

Except when there isn't. It's considered unbecoming to acknowledge the limitations of presidential power, but those limitations are real. The executive is merely one branch of the federal government, the federal government is merely 20ish% of the U.S. economy, and the U.S. is merely a slice of global activity.

So rather than litigate the facts and half-facts of the debate, I want to provide alternate -- and hopefully, more illuminating -- answers to Wednesday's questions about the economy.

THE COLLEGE EMPLOYMENT QUESTION: "Mr. President, Governor Romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all I hear from professors, neighbors and others is that when I graduate, I will have little chance to get employment. What can you say to reassure me, but more importantly my parents, that I will be able to sufficiently support myself after I graduate?"

Both candidates launched into talking points, especially the president, who went on about manufacturing jobs and green jobs, neither of which are likely destinations for a New York public college graduate.

The real-talk answer: Jeremy, I have bad news and I have good news. The bad news is I cannot promise you a job, and I cannot tell you what that job is going to pay. Nobody can. This economy is big and complicated and in flux.

But here's the good news. Unemployment for college students is barely 4%, compared to nearly 14% for people who only graduate from high school. What's more, at every level of education, from high school to college to grad school, the overall story is that the more you learn the more you earn. So you're right to be concerned. But the real story is that we need more people to feel your pain, literally. We need Americans going to college and being conscientious about balancing their debt with realistic expectations for what they can earn in their first years after college.

THE GAS PRICES QUESTION: "Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?"

The candidates debated domestic energy production, all the while dancing around the fact that the easiest way to lower gas prices would be something crazy -- like a direct subsidy to consumers a la Venezuela -- since the price is set on an international market.

Real-talk answer: The U.S. doesn't set gas prices. The world does.

U.S. oil production in 2011 hit an 8-year high, and we're using less gas to run our cars, and it's still not making much of a dent on prices. That's because gas prices are set based on global supply and demand. When there's a global supply shock, like in the 1970s, prices go up. When there's a global demand shock, like in 2009, prices go down. The best way to lower gas prices right now might be to start a nuclear war with Beijing. It would devastate China, crater the world economy, and make your gas really cheap. But that's neither an advisable policy nor the purview of the Energy Department.

THE TAX-PLAN QUESTION: "Governor Romney, you have stated that if you're elected president, you would plan to reduce the tax rates for all the tax brackets and that you would work with the Congress to eliminate some deductions in order to make up for the loss in revenue. Concerning the -- these various deductions, the mortgage deductions, the charitable deductions, the child tax credit and also ... the education credits, which are important to me, because I have children in college. What would be your position on those things, which are important to the middle class?"

The candidates answered with a long, occasionally honest dialogue about tax policy -- with both men essentially promising the same thing for the middle class: low taxes that aren't very different from what families pay today.

Real-talk answer: Well, of course you love deductions and tax credits. It's money in your pocket!

But eventually we will have to cut some very popular tax spending measures. In fact, what will have to happen is something very much like Romney and Obama's plans mashed together. Taxes will have to rise, first on the rich, but eventually on some not-so-rich people, too. And the best way to raise taxes isn't to add more rates but to cap deductions, first on the rich, but eventually on some not-so-rich people, too. For now, big tall deficits are good for the weak economy. But eventually, the country will realize that historically low effective tax rates and historically high spending can't live together without causing major problems.

THE ROMNEY vs. BUSH QUESTION: "Governor Romney, I am an undecided voter, because I'm disappointed with the lack of progress I've seen in the last four years. However, I do attribute much of America's economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush administration. Since both you and President Bush are Republicans, I fear a return to the policies of those years should you win this election. What is the biggest difference between you and George W. Bush, and how do you differentiate yourself from George W. Bush?"

Romney said his five-point plan was different than President Bush's and Obama gleefully pointed out that the governor had moved to the right on some issues, like health spending and immigration. Romney was mostly wrong about how different his five-point plan really was, and Obama was mostly right that Romney has moved with his party to the right in the last four years. Romney's real-talk response should have put a gloss on Obama's criticism.

Real-talk answer (for Romney): The chief difference between President George W. Bush and my policy platform is that I'm more of a pro-market conservative.

Under Bush, government jobs grew by a lot, real non-defense government spending grew by a lot, and tax laws made the code more complicated. Under my plan, government pay will grow slower, non-discretionary non-defense spending will grow much, much slower, and my tax plan is designed to eliminate the deductions that have proliferated over the last few decades. We don't need a president who's pro-this business and pro-that business. We need a president who's pro-market.

THE IMMIGRATION QUESTION: "Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?"

Romney said he thinks "we should give visas to people who graduate with skills that we need" but also said we need to crack down on illegal immigration. Obama made a pitch for comprehensive immigration reform. Neither acknowledged that we can reform our green card program for college graduates without handling comprehensive immigration.

Real-talk answer: You know what the most obvious policy in Washington is right now? I mean, the *most obvious*? It's stapling green cards to international students' degrees -- especially in the sciences, technology, engineering, and maths.

But instead of passing the most obvious policy in Washington, Congress is wrapping it up with other immigration measures that don't have a shot at making it out of committee. Our border immigration issue and our immigration visa issue frankly have nothing to do with each other except that they both include the world "immigration." Comprehensive immigration reform is elusive. Expanding visas for the world's most intelligent people is gobsmackingly obvious. We should just do it. It's pro-jobs, pro-growth, pro-everything.

gk_2000
10-17-2012, 01:33 PM
Sorry, I meant to paste only this portion:

THE IMMIGRATION QUESTION: "Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?"

Romney said he thinks "we should give visas to people who graduate with skills that we need" but also said we need to crack down on illegal immigration. Obama made a pitch for comprehensive immigration reform. Neither acknowledged that we can reform our green card program for college graduates without handling comprehensive immigration.

Real-talk answer: You know what the most obvious policy in Washington is right now? I mean, the *most obvious*? It's stapling green cards to international students' degrees -- especially in the sciences, technology, engineering, and maths.

But instead of passing the most obvious policy in Washington, Congress is wrapping it up with other immigration measures that don't have a shot at making it out of committee. Our border immigration issue and our immigration visa issue frankly have nothing to do with each other except that they both include the world "immigration." Comprehensive immigration reform is elusive. Expanding visas for the world's most intelligent people is gobsmackingly obvious. We should just do it. It's pro-jobs, pro-growth, pro-everything

greyhair
10-17-2012, 02:53 PM
.....So best solution should be similar to 2000. Recapture or one time removal of backlog will be better solution than Hr 3012. If Hr 3012 is not passed this year next year it will be better to try for better solution than Hr 3012.

Better solution that Hr3012? If Hr3012 is not passed this year, what makes you so confident that a better (usually means bigger) bill with recapture in it could pass next year?

sujan_vatrapu
10-17-2012, 03:04 PM
Pappu and IV core, I really appreciate what you are doing and sincerely applaud your efforts

I want to clarify few things

(1) I am talking about CIR and not just H1B or legal immigration, he promised that we will tackle CIR during the first year of his presidency, ppl might say he was in a difficult situation and all that but he dint even attempt to do anything related to immigration in his second, third or fourth year, more rhetoric and less action, proposals to "gotcha" republicans, no serious effort,

(2) Lot of our fellow immigrants, especially latinos, have made it a big deal but there was no action.

It can be politics as usual but dint he promise hope and change? All I am saying is if this is the best we get from this president, lets hope his challenger wins and improves the situation, that's all we can do, most of us don't have voting right!

Definitely there are good things during his presidency just like lot of good things during Bush administration (related to immigration),

Put yourself in the shoe of any president. Does not matter if it is a republican or democrat. As a president you are faced with a population of 14 million undocumented in your country. This is a huge number and cannot be ignored. There is also a big chunk of Hispanic population that wants to hear the policy and will vote accordingly. What will you do?

Will you not talk about CIR? Or will you ignore this big issue and tal about a small population of H1Bs who want greencards? What support do they have? How will it help the politically? The bigger question is - is this a big problem? Are people really suffering and desperate? What is the proof? Are there any rallys? How many employers have repeatedly talked about the it? How many immigrants have presented this issue?

I personally think unless we make it a big national issue, our expectations should be realistic. Most of the times we ether fight between eb2 vs eb3, show off how much better educated we are, or only worry about our priority date rather than fixing the problem. This is why most people after getting greened never come back to help fix the problem. As long as we are divided and think only about our own greencards, the progress in getting relief is going to be slow. But if more people make it a mission to get this problem fixed and are ready to make sacrifices for it, the problem can be easily fixed.

greyhair
10-17-2012, 03:30 PM
If both HR 3012 and recapture are difficult then why not try recapture. If Hr3012 is passed then it will take years to pass another legal immigration bill unless CIR comes. In 2000 itself there was an attempt to remove the country quota but they diluted to spill over. There were not well organised loobying was there at 2000 except a few companies. So that time itself releif was given across the board. Why can't it happen this time?

Smells like row arguments from another forum.

Have you ever been to Washington? I was there last year in one of the lobby days. While we on web forums seem to preach each other that recapture is a no brainier, some of the key lawmakers abhor the concept of recapture. Recapture is a non-starter, anyone telling otherwise is making a fool out of you.

One more thing, removing country quota was never tried before, ever. Who told you that someone tried removing country quota before?

gcharry
10-17-2012, 04:13 PM
There is a perception that Presidents generally work on immigration in their second term as they do not have to face elections again. So, there is a hope that Mr.Obama might work on immigration if he gets elected.

amarjit
10-17-2012, 04:52 PM
Well I am also in favor of Mitt Romney to win , Mr. Obama lost his temper while discussing over the issues with Romney. It shows, he is not able to settle down with the hot topics of the nation.

President Obama said "The first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure that they can come here and contribute to our country and that's good for our economic growth."

It is not true

gk_2000
10-17-2012, 05:03 PM
President Obama said "The first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure that they can come here and contribute to our country and that's good for our economic growth."

It is not true

As Pappu pointed out, the administration did re-interpret the INS to give EB2 more priority and as a result many were benefited .. but you are right in the sense that the EB3's were thrown under the bus

amarjit
10-17-2012, 05:12 PM
As Pappu pointed out, the administration did re-interpret the INS to give EB2 more priority and as a result many were benefited .. but you are right in the sense that the EB3's were thrown under the bus

Eb2 PD is 01SEP04, it isn't exactly beneficial. President Obama also said it is cheaper for people are waiting in line, as I remembered, the processing fees are increased, meanwhile, the dream kids got their EAD for FREE.

RohitSharma
10-17-2012, 05:52 PM
Obama had 2 years of democratic senate and house, he didn't do anything. He played "friends of immigrants" drama only in last 6-8 months, because he already knew there is a gridlock at the congress and nothing is going to pass anyways, so no harm in taking a posture....

Madhuri
10-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Eb2 PD is 01SEP04, it isn't exactly beneficial. President Obama also said it is cheaper for people are waiting in line, as I remembered, the processing fees are increased, meanwhile, the dream kids got their EAD for FREE.
Not only that. All July 07 EB3 filers will be paying fees for EAD/AP renewal till the eternity, while the filers from Aug 07 get the renewals for free.

jetflyer
10-17-2012, 06:07 PM
Put yourself in the shoe of any president. Does not matter if it is a republican or democrat. As a president you are faced with a population of 14 million undocumented in your country. This is a huge number and cannot be ignored. There is also a big chunk of Hispanic population that wants to hear the policy and will vote accordingly. What will you do?

Will you not talk about CIR? Or will you ignore this big issue and tal about a small population of H1Bs who want greencards? What support do they have? How will it help the politically? The bigger question is - is this a big problem? Are people really suffering and desperate? What is the proof? Are there any rallys? How many employers have repeatedly talked about the it? How many immigrants have presented this issue?

I personally think unless we make it a big national issue, our expectations should be realistic. Most of the times we ether fight between eb2 vs eb3, show off how much better educated we are, or only worry about our priority date rather than fixing the problem. This is why most people after getting greened never come back to help fix the problem. As long as we are divided and think only about our own greencards, the progress in getting relief is going to be slow. But if more people make it a mission to get this problem fixed and are ready to make sacrifices for it, the problem can be easily fixed.

In reality. there is only way we have. that is support CIR and try to put our points in that.

harryv
10-17-2012, 06:25 PM
Obama will cater to the illegal immigrants over the legal immigrants - example: deferred action.
Romney will be more likely to do something about EB-x before catering to the illegals.

But lets not kid ourselves - if Romney is elected, he will not touch a hot subject until his 2nd term. Obama will satisfy the Latino camp as they are one of his main supporters.

RohitSharma
10-17-2012, 06:26 PM
CIR is a sucker's hope..hearing it for 8 years now.
In reality. there is only way we have. that is support CIR and try to put our points in that.

gk_2000
10-17-2012, 07:16 PM
Eb2 PD is 01SEP04, it isn't exactly beneficial. President Obama also said it is cheaper for people are waiting in line, as I remembered, the processing fees are increased, meanwhile, the dream kids got their EAD for FREE.

Not only that. All July 07 EB3 filers will be paying fees for EAD/AP renewal till the eternity, while the filers from Aug 07 get the renewals for free.

So looks like the renewals became for free after 2007..?

The EB2 PD has gone back only past 2 months

But I understand where you guys are coming from (being from there myself :) )

simple.life
10-17-2012, 09:03 PM
No CIR this decade only piecemeal bills like 3012 and daca will into play imo