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pappu
02-03-2012, 06:13 AM
HR3012 has to pass stand alone. It is to end the inequality.
The way to Truth is Equality and Truth alone Triumphs.


HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

pappu
02-03-2012, 06:13 AM
ONGOING CRITICAL ACTION ITEMS

Please focus on this AI from June 30th through the 4th of July weekend.

There are thousands of people stuck in green card backlogs, long wait times, retreogresion but are still not aware of H.R3012 -Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act and the benefits it brings by way of fairness, first-come-first-serve approach due to removal of per country caps.
We have to inform all such people about the bill and about IV grass-roots initiatives which have brought the bill close to the finish line now so they can join in the grass-roots efforts.

1) Print out - (color printouts much preferred) multiple copies of the following fliers

http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/0/05/Needhelp_flier.pdf
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/b/b0/Thomachan_flier.pdf
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/e/ed/Turvi76_flier1.pdf
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/f/f3/Turvi76_flier2.pdf

2) Post the fliers - near all grocery stores, temples, theaters and other locations which are frequented by impacted/retrogressed EB applicants who will benefited by this initiative. Use your judgement wisely on where you post the fliers.

3) Caution - DO NOT post the fliers on USPS mailboxes, it is against the law.

4) Talk to your friends/acquaintances - Pick up the phone and call your friends, colleagues, acquaintances who are still not aware of this bill. Explain the importance of H.R 3012 - how it brings long-awaited fairness to the system and reduces wait times drastically for retrogressed EB applicants. Explain how the bill was passed overwhelmingly by the House and is very close to being passed by the Senate and signed into law. There is no better tool than talking to someone to make them aware of the importance of this legislation.
Encourage your friends to CONTRIBUTE to IV and help in the advocacy efforts.

5) Forward Flier - Forward soft copies of the flier to your friends, contacts and have them post it at locations in their neighborhood where it will be effective.

6) Like, Comment positively and share our Facebook page and follow us on Twitter. We are also on Google+ now. IV member donquit has been managing this single-handedly, on your behalf and its time to help him spread the message in social media world.

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/#!/Support.HR3012
Twitter - http://twitter.com/support_hr_3012
http://twitter.com/Support_HR3012
Google+ - https://plus.google.com/109630183957372098398

We are very close to the finish line and are confident that H.R 3012 will be passed by Congress and signed into law very soon. Let us add more grassroots efforts now and be part of this historic legislative initiative. Immigration Voice requires all affected EB green card applicants - waiting for years to get a green card they deserve - to speak up, join this campaign and be counted.

thomachan72
02-03-2012, 06:30 AM
1899-2525-8479-5875
100 for today in addition to monthly contributions
Appreciate your hard work. Pls keep going and get this deal done:D:D

t_narendra2002
02-03-2012, 07:07 AM
Another $100 contribution in the month of January.

0420-5035-9397-6280

Hope some relief will be provided for EB3-I folks who are suffering from severe backlog

StarSun
02-03-2012, 08:53 AM
No need to send mails to lawmakers this week ?

All action items continue to be important.

We need the support of every senator, writing to them helps.

We need the funds to advocate for our causes. We need the funds NOW, when the bill is yet to come for a vote. Battle lines are drawn and fought before the vote. Funds now translates to results that we want. Donate personally, bring awareness among your family and friends in every state and raise the money. As pappu has mentioned the next two weeks are crucial.

Your support is needed and is truly appreciated.

Hopeful1
02-03-2012, 09:13 AM
Already a recurring donor...also donated another $100 today.

Payment id 8BL29245X0386231C

mantagon
02-03-2012, 09:51 AM
$100 more, in addition to being a proud donor!

(Your transaction ID for this payment is: 543664902T222773E.)

Guys, please come forward and make this happen.

Go IV!

hopefullegalimmigrant
02-03-2012, 10:07 AM
Mighty thanks to Immigration voice, to all those who spend tireless hours lobbying and working for the bill. Hats off! United we stand.

Hope this happens!!!!

Your receipt number for this payment is: 1667-0324-4891-2621.:)

Suva
02-03-2012, 10:23 AM
I am only sending letters to NJ Senators through IV action items. Do you suggest to send the letters to all the senators who are outside my state - NJ? If yes how can I send to all of them?

Thanks

All action items continue to be important.

We need the support of every senator, writing to them helps.

We need the funds to advocate for our causes. We need the funds NOW, when the bill is yet to come for a vote. Battle lines are drawn and fought before the vote. Funds now translates to results that we want. Donate personally, bring awareness among your family and friends in every state and raise the money. As pappu has mentioned the next two weeks is crucial.

Your support is needed and is truly appreciated.

pappu
02-03-2012, 10:26 AM
Thanks for contributing.

gopalaj
02-03-2012, 10:56 AM
I have done my action items and contributed another $100


Your transaction ID for this payment is: 5JH39707VS780500N.

hopefullegalimmigrant
02-03-2012, 10:57 AM
Mighty thanks to Immigration voice, to all those who spend tireless hours lobbying and working for the bill. Hats off! United we stand.

Hope this happens!!!!

Your receipt number for this payment is: 1667-0324-4891-2621.:)

hopefullegalimmigrant
02-03-2012, 11:13 AM
Sorry guys, something wrong with server and it did not let me add my message and then multiple got added. Not intentional. Mods. Please let me know how to get rid of dupe posts

greencard_ques
02-03-2012, 11:13 AM
Donated $100. Confirmation Number: 31R093060T493860J

dts
02-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Done AI today. Everyday calling one new person to get onboard.

gcbikari
02-03-2012, 11:47 AM
Hello IV,
I'd like to make a one-time $50 contribution, but your contribution page allows a minimum of $100. Is there a way to quickly contribute, other than mailing a check.

Thanks.


HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

ananth
02-03-2012, 11:53 AM
Donated $100 today (Your receipt number for this payment is: 4276-9371-3734-5379), Let's do it. Thanks IV for all the efforts. Complated AI for today.

iamgsprabhu
02-03-2012, 11:59 AM
Donated $100 now. Receipt number for this payment is: 5080-9977-2323-1089.

gotgc?
02-03-2012, 12:10 PM
HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

Thanks for the update and all the hard work of IV. Just signed up for the $25/month recurring contributions for 6 months. Here is my subscription ID Subscription#S-24L79272P1840132T

cnag
02-03-2012, 12:33 PM
Contributed one more $100, will post the transaction ID little later, gmail is not allowed in my office

spulugur
02-03-2012, 12:35 PM
Confirmation number: 230799246G2094905 for this $100 donation.

KayG
02-03-2012, 12:38 PM
Can I send a check? If yes then let me know the name and address.
or suggest alternate

Suva
02-03-2012, 12:41 PM
Send the check to

Immigration Voice
3561 Homestead Road #375
Santa Clara, CA 95051-5161


Can I send a check? If yes then let me know the name and address.
or suggest alternate

mkr_s05
02-03-2012, 12:42 PM
Added monthly contribution ($25) to earlier one time ($100).

Unique Transaction ID # 2S423432428172827

KayG
02-03-2012, 12:43 PM
thanks

gcbikari
02-03-2012, 01:08 PM
Paypal - Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 87628629NV0661158)for amount $50.00 to donations@immigrationvoice.org.

If you use paypal, send the money to ""

gcnov2002
02-03-2012, 01:18 PM
Contributed $100.
Subscription Number: S-9RW39205RY798734D

StarSun
02-03-2012, 01:22 PM
HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

All action items continue to be important.

We need the support of every senator, writing to them helps.

We need the funds to advocate for our causes. We need the funds NOW, when the bill is yet to come for a vote. Battle lines are drawn and fought before the vote. Funds now translates to results that we want. Donate personally, bring awareness among your family and friends in every state and raise the money. As pappu has mentioned the next two weeks are crucial.

Your support is needed and is truly appreciated.

Reach out to colleagues, any organizations you are affiliated to, talk to the board members to send out letters to the members - raise the funds in every possible way you can think of.

Thanks to all the members who have already taken up on this initiative!

jindhal
02-03-2012, 01:53 PM
Signed up for a 12 month donation of $25 for each month :)

Greentown
02-03-2012, 01:58 PM
Contributed $100.
Your receipt number for this payment is: 4562-8080-0496-9166.

This is my 3 rd contribution for HR 3012. Thank you IV for all your hard work.

Everyone please support IV for HR3012. This is the only chance to get our greencard faster. $100 is nothing when compared to all those GC related expenses. Act for your own good.

If you have not contributed in the last one month, please do it now. Just think about the amazing freedom when the bill passes...it is worth every penny we contribute

sekharg
02-03-2012, 02:00 PM
Contributed $100
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 86T338729J889372W

new_horizon
02-03-2012, 03:37 PM
I am trying to make a one-time contribution, but when I click the link on the home page it takes me to a page where it shows all the smiley emoticons. Is anyone else seeing this? I've made single contributions in the past and it has worked. Any idea?

starscream
02-03-2012, 03:39 PM
Contributed $100
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 57T15715UD8187919.
Total Contribution for HR 3102 - $500 (200 during house process + 200 after passing house + 100 now). Already a recurring contributor.

In the first post of the thread Pappu has chosen to reply to a particular post from another member and in that reply that he has asked for contributions for advocacy ...am reading between the lines here.. that the advocacy right now is going towards the result mentioned in the content of that other post (in blue text) and that is why our contributions are important so that the next vote will be the last vote required for our bill (my 2 cents)

nareshk78
02-03-2012, 03:49 PM
just subscribed to $50 per 6 months. Should take total to 500$

Go IV!!

thomachan72
02-03-2012, 03:54 PM
I am trying to make a one-time contribution, but when I click the link on the home page it takes me to a page where it shows all the smiley emoticons. Is anyone else seeing this? I've made single contributions in the past and it has worked. Any idea?

Today morning that happened to me. I dont know how it worked finally. I might have chosen a different link to contribute.

Greentown
02-03-2012, 04:18 PM
Contributed $100.
Your receipt number for this payment is: 4562-8080-0496-9166.

This is my 3 rd contribution for HR 3012. Thank you IV for all your hard work.

Everyone please support IV for HR3012. This is the only chance to get our greencard faster. $100 is nothing when compared to all those GC related expenses. Act for your own good.

If you have not contributed in the last one month, please do it now. Just think about the amazing freedom when the bill passes...it is worth every penny we contribute
new_horizon
The donation link works from any of the pappu's postings. Here is how...
1.Go to the pappu's posting in the first page of this thread.
2. Click on "Contributing to immigriation voice" link in the bottom of his message
3.scroll down to one time donation
4. Select the amount you want to donate and SUBMIT
5. you will be redirected to paypal
This link is working.


*********
For some reason the "CONTRIBUTE" link on the main page is not working. Please any one from admin team can take a look.
************

wintblue
02-03-2012, 04:19 PM
Just donated $200 - Your transaction ID for this payment is: 5YL655541B966863Y.

Takes my total contributions to $1100. Yey to me!!

Come on folks, we all make decent salary to be able to afford few hundred dollars for a great cause. For folks, more savvy about their money, it is a great return of investment - better job, better future, just to name a few.

Greentown
02-03-2012, 04:19 PM
I am trying to make a one-time contribution, but when I click the link on the home page it takes me to a page where it shows all the smiley emoticons. Is anyone else seeing this? I've made single contributions in the past and it has worked. Any idea?
new_horizon
The donation link works from any of the pappu's postings. Here is how...
1.Go to the pappu's posting in the first page of this thread.
2. Click on "Contributing to immigriation voice" link in the bottom of his message
3.scroll down to one time donation
4. Select the amount you want to donate and SUBMIT
5. you will be redirected to paypal
This link is working.


*********
For some reason the "CONTRIBUTE" link on the main page is not working. Please any one from admin team can take a look.
************

srinivas_o
02-03-2012, 05:08 PM
I am recurring donor and here is another donation of $100.
Thanks to each and everyone for all your great efforts.

skrish
02-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Donated $200

Transaction ID: 79P91079B5015103X

it might be a good idea dor IV to marshal our forces and send out a general email to everyone who has contributed anything in the last year and anyone with EB3 priority dates as well as late 2009 and 2010 EB2 priority dates reminding them that this is the last push and that they should contribute.

For the benefit of all, posting the below from the latest murthy bulletin, which shows that the dark sceptre of retrogressin looms UNLESS we get together and get this bill passed. One for ALL, All for One. United we stand, Divided we fall.


Retrogression Possible

The cutoff date in the February 2012 Visa Bulletin was advanced in order to create a demand for visa numbers in upcoming months. Therefore, if the USCIS begins to receive more green card applications than expected, the DOS may find it necessary to move the cutoff dates backward - a procedure known as retrogression.

The DOS previously advised that retrogression may occur in summer of 2012. However, given the number of case filings generated by the cutoff date advancement, the DOS could need to revise their calculations. There are many factors that impact the demand for visa numbers and surprises can occur with each monthly visa bulletin.

In addition to the new I-485 filings, the use of the strategy known as EB3 to EB2 upgrading has created a demand for EB2 visa numbers that is difficult to predict. For more information on this strategy, see our July 1, 2011 NewsBrief, Considerations for EB3 to EB2 "Upgrade," also available on MurthyDotCom .

If the priority dates retrogress, it will be important for people who are current to file during the months when their respective dates are current. Visa bulletins are always issued several weeks prior to their validity. (That is, the May Visa Bulletin is issued in early to mid April, and so forth for each month in the year.) Therefore, there should be some advance notice of any retrogression.

needhelp!
02-03-2012, 06:25 PM
$100
Transaction ID: 06D68891DW821793H (https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_view-a-trans&id=06D68891DW821793H)

nosightofgc
02-03-2012, 06:42 PM
Here is my nth round of contribution making the total to $1200.00 for H.R.3012.

Your receipt number for this payment is: 0454-8311-1260-5083.

Folks, it is now or never. Please step forward.

john-mac
02-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Just now contributed $100 and that makes total to $400 for HR3012.
Your receipt number for this payment is: 5357-2347-6102-5306.

Qualifiedfor2butinEB3
02-03-2012, 07:20 PM
+ $100 (Transaction ID: 4264-6740-3329-2363.)
Previous Contributions for HR3012- $700
________________________
PROUD CONTRIBUTOR

oracleking
02-04-2012, 02:13 PM
HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.


$100 contributed just now....Happy to be a part of it.

Transaction ID: 5S359352AF908953L

Monthly subscription continues as always.

I don't get much time to post or help other members but I do feel obligated to support IV's efforts and I'm doing my part.

IV is the way to GOOOOO!!!!

snathan
02-04-2012, 04:36 PM
Unique Transaction ID # 1JR480858B572680L

Subject:
You have sent $50.00 USD to Immigration Voice with PayPal
Funding Type:
Instant Transfer

gc_seeeker_eb3
02-04-2012, 05:59 PM
$100 contributed for this great cause through paypal.

veereddy
02-04-2012, 08:30 PM
Another $100 contribution towards HR 3012
Paypal transaction ID: 97E53221W9187840X

Thanks IV for your efforts!!

gvenkat
02-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Signed up for a 6 month recurring contribution. Sharing this on FB now.

The Alchemist
02-04-2012, 09:10 PM
...to get some of our 1761 fans of https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012 moving!

Signed up for a 6 month recurring contribution. Sharing this on FB now.

The Alchemist
02-04-2012, 09:14 PM
Feel free to post about your donations on https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012 and we will re-share it for our 1761 fans to get encouraged.

Let's Make Our Voices Heard!

PennId
02-05-2012, 01:16 PM
...to get some of our 1761 fans of https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012 moving!

I just become a fan of support hr3012 in facebook and liked it too

amberalert
02-05-2012, 02:33 PM
Please Vote 'Yes' on HR3012 | Petition2Congress (http://www.petition2congress.com/5686/please-vote-yes-on-fairness-high-skilled-immigrants-act/?src=widget)

new_horizon
02-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Another one-time contribution: $100

Your transaction ID for this payment is: 5U1599057M281443V.


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Folks, make sure HR 3012 passes the senate. Contribute and help the IV core in their efforts!!

The Alchemist
02-05-2012, 05:18 PM
....about your donations on our facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012

Another one-time contribution: $100

Your transaction ID for this payment is: 5U1599057M281443V.


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Folks, make sure HR 3012 passes the senate. Contribute and help the IV core in their efforts!!

there are 1700+ fans that could use some motivation

new_horizon
02-05-2012, 05:30 PM
Yep I did share it on fb.

vsrinir
02-06-2012, 07:00 AM
Done AI Today

GCTorture
02-06-2012, 07:16 AM
Action Items Done for Today.

dhakaldoo
02-06-2012, 07:54 AM
My first donation

Transaction ID # 26E07733SC7772146

Will send more as soon as I get more transferred into paypal

dts
02-06-2012, 10:29 AM
"STAND UP TO YOUR OBSTACLES AND DO SOMETING ABOUT THEM. YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE NOT HALF THE STRENGTH , YOU THINK THEY HAVE"
-From Power of Positive Thinking.

Keep on AI, Bring whomever you know on board.

StarSun
02-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Feel free to post about your donations on https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012 and we will re-share it for our 1761 fans to get encouraged.

Let's Make Our Voices Heard!

Thanks to all the members for donating. Post your support on the above fb page to encourage others to do the same.

Continue to spread the message on all action items on your facebook account.

The time for action is NOW, let's do everything we can to get this bill across the finish line!

Smit72
02-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Contributed another $200 towards IV's effort to get HR3012 passed. (Tx 5358-6213-2955-9041)
Total for HR3012 effort $500.

shib00
02-06-2012, 02:25 PM
Donated $100.
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 05M05070R43298418.

Go IV.

The Alchemist
02-06-2012, 02:37 PM
Feel free to post about your donations on https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012 and we will re-share it for our 1700+ fans to get encouraged.

Let's Make Our Voices Heard!

Smit72
02-06-2012, 02:43 PM
It's very nice to see folks who already have green cards/citizenship contributing to the IV efforts. Always encourages me to do more contributions.

Everyone who is waiting to become current and come to this forum often to see progress I hope you are also making contributions to IV.

Time for action is now when HR3012 is still in process! Let's keep contributing folks..

Go IV.

indigokiwi
02-06-2012, 02:48 PM
HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

This update is too important to ignore. Signed up for monthly contributions this time (this is my fourth round of contributions)....

muruga_l
02-06-2012, 03:03 PM
Contributed 100 more (3DX0441177945660X).
All the best

chittoorwalla
02-06-2012, 03:31 PM
Donated $ 100, 7PW523779B8654031.. Thanks IV for all the work....

KISHORE ANCHA
02-06-2012, 04:10 PM
Contributed $100 ..receipt number for this payment is: 2091-6656-1492-1589.
Keep going.. good work..

GCTorture
02-06-2012, 06:26 PM
Another Monday gone :(

Suva
02-06-2012, 06:26 PM
Pray that 2012 is not gone like this.

Another Monday gone :(

lush
02-06-2012, 07:09 PM
$100 just donated:

confirm #: 72J28862KH297401G

pune_guy
02-06-2012, 07:30 PM
Keep up the good work IV!

Just signed up for monthly contribution of $25 for 6 months in addition to the $100 contributed for the HR3012 effort.

Thanks

rajaramesh
02-06-2012, 10:02 PM
First time contribution of $100

Paypal Transaction id is 05950054VT057072S

looivy
02-07-2012, 01:04 AM
Done my AIs today

vsrinir
02-07-2012, 06:58 AM
AI Done Today

kkt_tkk
02-07-2012, 08:37 AM
Hi,

Another $100 contributed for my cause. So far for this event I contributed $600++
Transaction ID for this payment is: 6FX5396430472622X.
Common friends let's make this bill pass in senate. We don't need to spend thousands of $$$$ + frustration in jobs while on Visa or EAD (Taking promotions or change the better positions or travelling)

We are with you IV.

Thanks,
KKT

The Alchemist
02-07-2012, 09:04 AM
Help encourage the 1700+ fans of our facebook page to donate towards HR3012

Post about your donations on https://www.facebook.com/Support.HR3012

Let's make our voices heard!

anandrajesh
02-07-2012, 09:07 AM
Paid $100 towards HR3012. Your receipt number for this payment is: 3133-5239-3615-1385.

Hopefully there is some positive development on this, this time.
Thanks for your tireless efforts on this. Go IV

Suva
02-07-2012, 09:52 AM
Done AI today.

GCTorture
02-08-2012, 07:13 AM
Action items done for today.

Folks, what is exactly stopping us to do a Flower Campaign? Can we send flowers to Grassely asking him to take out the hold?

namesri
02-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Donated $100 today (Your receipt number for this payment is: 5083-8354-0559-1973.). Thanks IV for all the efforts.

gk_2000
02-08-2012, 09:52 AM
Action items done for today.

Folks, what is exactly stopping us to do a Flower Campaign? Can we send flowers to Grassely asking him to take out the hold?

As Naseeruddin shah once said -- laathon ke bhoot baathon se nahi manenge...:)

amulchandra
02-08-2012, 10:01 AM
Action items done for today.

Folks, what is exactly stopping us to do a Flower Campaign? Can we send flowers to Grassely asking him to take out the hold?

With all due respect please no flower campaign. That strategy was used to mock USCIS for flip flopping with VB in 2007. Here we are 'working with' senators to solve our problems.It will have a grave negative impact on HR3012

dts
02-08-2012, 10:02 AM
Action items done for today.

Folks, what is exactly stopping us to do a Flower Campaign? Can we send flowers to Grassely asking him to take out the hold?

Sounds good Idea. But ultimately IV has to decide and approve this as Action Item .

GCTorture
02-08-2012, 10:14 AM
With all due respect please no flower campaign. That strategy was used to mock USCIS for flip flopping with VB in 2007. Here we are 'working with' senators to solve our problems.It will have a grave negative impact on HR3012

I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.

neelu8
02-08-2012, 10:35 AM
I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.

We appreciate all suggestions and all possible action items have been discussed by the core team and the lobbyists at different points of this campaign. There is a very specific strategy we are following here and would request everyone to please stick to the AIs posted by IV. For anything to work, it has to be done at the right time and has to be a completely co-ordinated effort.

Totally undertsand everyone's enthusiam and frustration here but acting on things without knowing the complete background will not help the situation. Hang in there, positive things are happening in the background and things are looking good. continue with the AIs that have been posted and are urgent. What we need at this time is contributions to keep pushing with the advocacy/lobbying efforts.

New action items will be rolled out at the appropriate time. Also please note that there are ethics rules for the Senate and sending anything (other than letters, faxes, calls) to Senators (or Congressmen) has to follow the appropriate process (and have the approval of the ethics committee).

StarSun
02-08-2012, 10:38 AM
I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.

Please refrain from suggesting or taking action items at an individual level. Yes, IV's approval is needed for any action item to be started. Remember, your relief is tied with IV's goal - it is best to work together. IV has brought HR 3012 this far, and it is working towards the positive conclusion of this bill. Your support is needed - whether it is to follow the action items listed here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/3028322-post1.html) or not to initiate random action items.

Starting action items on your own and encouraging others might be counter productive.

dts
02-08-2012, 11:05 AM
I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.


Please refrain from self Action Items . Everyone has anxiety but taking hostile actions without consent of IV team may turn FATAL.
When we waited so long.. it is alright to wait little long at finish line instead of taking any hostile steps.

Amman
02-08-2012, 12:02 PM
I concur that we should not be sending flowers to Senators. I don't believe this will help changing the Senators mind at any means. This processes take just more than that...which I believe IV is undertaking....

starscream
02-08-2012, 12:13 PM
Humble request to all:

Please let us not chop the tree branch we are standing on by starting random campaigns

To member GCTorture,

Dude , I totally totally understand your frustration..we r all in the same boat - Don't know if you were part from the time before the bill was even introduced in House Judciary Commitee - at that time IV had forumalted a call campaign to House Jud Commitee members it was a success because it was a coordinated effort , there were suggestions of phone campaigns after that as there was a 1 month gap between the bill passing the commitee and coming to house vote but IV said it is not required , the bill still passed the house, after the hold it bypassed the Sen. Judiciary commitee ...my point is any campaign should be a informed campaign to have the necessary effect and this 'information/knowledge' comes from IV advocacy activity..if done randomly it will backfire as legislators wil get annoyed ..the last thing we want to know is annoy them...and personally I don't think the Senator is going to be swayed by flowers...
The highlights in bold below are the 2 reasons we should not start flower or any campaign as we could be scoring a self goal

Originally Posted by GCTorture
I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.

Originally Posted by neelu 8
For anything to work, it has to be done at the right time and has to be a completely co-ordinated effort.
Hang in there, positive things are happening in the background and things are looking good. continue with the AIs that have been posted and are urgent. What we need at this time is contributions to keep pushing with the advocacy/lobbying efforts.
New action items will be rolled out at the appropriate time. Also please note that there are ethics rules for the Senate and sending anything (other than letters, faxes, calls) to Senators (or Congressmen) has to follow the appropriate process (and have the approval of the ethics committee).

Originally Posted by StarSunStarting action items on your own and encouraging others might be counter productive.

Hello_Hello
02-08-2012, 12:22 PM
While Hold from Senator Grassley is a major hurdle, but in my opinion Senator Schumer & Senator Brown are attempting to scuttle this bill by attaching E-3(Irish Visas) provisions. Only insiders can tell if E-3 is good or bad, but as I am seeing this, Irish Visas are trying to piggyback this narrow and to the point bill, which is not good for 3012. It successfully passed in the house because Rep. Chaffetz smartly rejected all attempts to add any provisions. I'm confused now if Senator Schumer is a friend or foe of HR3012.

indigokiwi
02-08-2012, 12:38 PM
Let's re-iterate the main message of this thread.....


HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

pak
02-08-2012, 01:09 PM
While Hold from Senator Grassley is a major hurdle, but in my opinion Senator Schumer & Senator Brown are attempting to scuttle this bill by attaching E-3(Irish Visas) provisions. Only insiders can tell if E-3 is good or bad, but as I am seeing this, Irish Visas are trying to piggyback this narrow and to the point bill, which is not good for 3012. It successfully passed in the house because Rep. Chaffetz smartly rejected all attempts to add any provisions. I'm confused now if Senator Schumer is a friend or foe of HR3012.

I(We) always welcome any type of immigration bills which increase temp. or permanent immigration to US but HR3012's basic concept is "Fairness" by removing any preferential treatment by country of birth and keeping FIFO. E-3 is a preferential temp. visas to Irish nationals which is good for immigration but conflicting with HR3012 - "Fairness" or "Equality"

arun_ramani
02-08-2012, 03:05 PM
Grassley: House GOP doing Wall Street's bidding on STOCK Act - The Hill's On The Money (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/209421-grassley-house-gop-doing-wall-streets-bidding-on-stock-act)

I am not sure how to think of any strategy to handle this Senator. He simply cannot get along with anyone on anything. I am glad that he is not in the finance committee. If IV can overcome this guy, then your efforts must be put in as a case study in "Harvard"..

Totally bizarre!!

GCTorture
02-08-2012, 03:18 PM
Humble request to all:

Please let us not chop the tree branch we are standing on by starting random campaigns

To member GCTorture,

Dude , I totally totally understand your frustration..we r all in the same boat - Don't know if you were part from the time before the bill was even introduced in House Judciary Commitee - at that time IV had forumalted a call campaign to House Jud Commitee members it was a success because it was a coordinated effort , there were suggestions of phone campaigns after that as there was a 1 month gap between the bill passing the commitee and coming to house vote but IV said it is not required , the bill still passed the house, after the hold it bypassed the Sen. Judiciary commitee ...my point is any campaign should be a informed campaign to have the necessary effect and this 'information/knowledge' comes from IV advocacy activity..if done randomly it will backfire as legislators wil get annoyed ..the last thing we want to know is annoy them...and personally I don't think the Senator is going to be swayed by flowers...
The highlights in bold below are the 2 reasons we should not start flower or any campaign as we could be scoring a self goal

Originally Posted by GCTorture
I don't agree. It worked in 2007. On top of it, flowers have the capacity to make somebody melt. It is ok, if the senators will not respond to it, but I am sure it won't worsen the situation.

Also, we all know IV is doing heavy lobbying and don't have time to give us any info/answers. As flowers are completely harmless, I don't think there is a need for IV approval here. Waiting further may not be a good strategy, we should not repent later.

Originally Posted by neelu 8
For anything to work, it has to be done at the right time and has to be a completely co-ordinated effort.
Hang in there, positive things are happening in the background and things are looking good. continue with the AIs that have been posted and are urgent. What we need at this time is contributions to keep pushing with the advocacy/lobbying efforts.
New action items will be rolled out at the appropriate time. Also please note that there are ethics rules for the Senate and sending anything (other than letters, faxes, calls) to Senators (or Congressmen) has to follow the appropriate process (and have the approval of the ethics committee).

Originally Posted by StarSunStarting action items on your own and encouraging others might be counter productive.

No clue how many senators actually reading the letters we are sending as part of action items. I always get automated replies. The same way petition to congress, I am sure congress never reads. This is the reason I want to do something more explicit, like flower campaign. Its just unbelievable to hear from IV members that sending flowers would ruin whole lobbying that they are doing for 6 years. Its unbelievable. Are n't we sending letters every day? What is the difference between letters and flowers? Letters they can automate, but flowers...im sure senators would read. What IV saying is Unbelievable!!! Also, flowers, never thought is against code of any ethic.

gujju
02-08-2012, 03:36 PM
Please lets wait for any directive from IV Core.Lets not start our own action items. We have to be united and do what IV core deems is appropriate to do.

UNITED WE ALL STAND.

damidi
02-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Contributed $100. Receipt No: 0765-5012-9899-6705.

Keep up the good work.

Thank you.

indrachat_75
02-08-2012, 06:19 PM
All AI done for today

Suva
02-08-2012, 08:15 PM
Done AI today.

IV_Is_The_Best
02-08-2012, 11:15 PM
No clue how many senators actually reading the letters we are sending as part of action items. I always get automated replies. The same way petition to congress, I am sure congress never reads. This is the reason I want to do something more explicit, like flower campaign. Its just unbelievable to hear from IV members that sending flowers would ruin whole lobbying that they are doing for 6 years. Its unbelievable. Are n't we sending letters every day? What is the difference between letters and flowers? Letters they can automate, but flowers...im sure senators would read. What IV saying is Unbelievable!!! Also, flowers, never thought is against code of any ethic.
GCTorture dude - just take a chill pill...why are you torturing everybody out here? Only Action Item for you is to CONTRIBUTE, CONTRIBUTE & CONTRIBUTE....

Contributed $ 200...Keep up the great job folks!!

madhu345
02-09-2012, 12:18 AM
:D:D:D:D:D:D HR3012 this week or never :D:D:D:D:D:D

vsrinir
02-09-2012, 06:31 AM
Done AI Today

dhakaldoo
02-09-2012, 06:58 AM
Done AI Today

Done AI today and signed up for recurring payment

Subscription#S-18D70599T75031151

Thanks!! :)

GO IV
GO HR 3012!

GCTorture
02-09-2012, 07:01 AM
Action Items done for today.

The Alchemist
02-09-2012, 08:53 AM
$200 towards HR3012
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 97131620PY947652W

StarSun
02-09-2012, 09:33 AM
Action Items done for today.

Thank you.

MahaBharatGC
02-09-2012, 09:57 AM
Just donated 100$

Transaction id: 6RB16178H3827483A.

Suva
02-09-2012, 10:22 AM
Done AI today.

sbindval
02-09-2012, 10:23 AM
Signed up for recurring payments
Subscription Number: S-23M978299X849902N

dts
02-09-2012, 10:37 AM
:D:D:D:D:D:D HR3012 this week or never :D:D:D:D:D:D

Why are you telling so? Need to be patient and calm. This may take even few more weeks.

bibliophile2020
02-09-2012, 10:41 AM
Subscribed for $25 x6 months today
$350 so far for HR 3012

indrachat_75
02-09-2012, 10:43 AM
Done AI for today

thomachan72
02-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Sent emails.
Thanks to all who are participating.

mathpar
02-09-2012, 11:15 AM
Date of sign up: Feb 9, 2012
Subscription Name: Donation to Support Immigration Voice (User: mathpar)
Subscription Number: S-6TT64366XA240135J

Amman
02-09-2012, 12:58 PM
Looks he took the oath to block h1b and hold the bills..

Article (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38933)

Kugr
02-09-2012, 02:06 PM
Contributed $100 today (Second $100 contribution within the past week).

Transaction Id: 7YS31462W2869763E.

PERM12
02-10-2012, 10:34 AM
They should also consider that he is rejecting the job offers..stating they are not local to him. but on the contrary the H1B workers move across the world to take that job. what do they answer to that?

Logical point is companies need to fill those positions that are being rejected by the Citizens..what do they do.. get a H1B or move the position out of country where there is one available.!!!

Engineer Who Gave Obama Resume Declines Out-of-Area Job Offers | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/tech/Engineer-Who-Gave-Obama-Resume-Gets-Job-Offers-138975464.html)

Looks he took the oath to block h1b and hold the bills..

Article (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38933)

pillagandhi
02-10-2012, 10:40 AM
Looks he took the oath to block h1b and hold the bills..

Article (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38933)

British did the same with indian physicians preferring european(Read the color) and their health system will be in the dumps in a few years.

We will be grandly f***** here as we wait and we will return as we have no choice. No one can predict what is likely to happen to either US or India in our lifetime. May be grassley wants the best for us:))

Grassley is needed for India's prosperity.

God bless Grassley :)

needhelp!
02-10-2012, 02:39 PM
Contributed $100 today (Second $100 contribution within the past week).

Transaction Id: 7YS31462W2869763E.


HR 3012 www.immigrationvoice.org (http://www.immigrationvoice.org/)

On Sunday, a F1 undergrad student from UNT Denton donated $100 via Paypal and so did a widow(EB3-H4) with two kids. The widow obviously has tight money situation and has so much work to do as a single parent. And yet, she finally sees HOPE in the Fairness Bill.

For the F1 student, $100 is the equivalent of $500 to a H1 holder. My eyes really became moist and I got tons of motivation when they paid this money. Personally, I know how tight it is for both of them.

Guys and gals, please feel motivated to ask your relatives, friends and work colleagues. Feel no shame in asking for money for IV and feel no anger if refused. Ask. Request. There should be no shame in asking for funds. Do it with word of mouth and in person. Spend the time.

And if your heart thinks you can personally contribute and do more, do it. These is no Plan B to this bill.

Suva
02-11-2012, 08:06 AM
Done AI today.

hopefullgc
02-11-2012, 11:30 AM
Donated $100 to Support Immigration Voice (HR3012) (User: hopefullgc)
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 18J34696U7812790Y.

Hopping for the best.

hopefullgc
02-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Donated $100 to support HR3012 ( user : hopefullgc ) .
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 18J34696U7812790Y.

Hopping for the best.

param_r
02-12-2012, 03:09 AM
I have donated $100 to this just cause.
login param_r
Transaction ID : 9X558866HL358261E

Thanks,
Param.

seahawks
02-12-2012, 09:51 PM
HR 3012 is in a crucial stage. We have been leading this bill from the beginning and these days Also discussing with various interest groups related to the bill and feel good where the talks are going. We are feeling confident and it is a matter of time when the bill is on Senate floor. But the goal is not just just get it on the floor but have support from senate to have it passed. Reaching out to as many senators possibible is a mammoth task. We need lot of support to get it through the senate. Please sign up for monthly contributions without wait so that we can pour more resources ASAP into this bill to bring it on senate floor. It is now or never for the next 2 years.

This is an urgent action item. Next week is very important for us. If you have not signed up for recurring contributions, please sign up now and post on this thread.

Keep up the good work guys, contributed again one time

Feb 12, 2012 18:57:20 PST
Transaction ID: 76K74155241973138
Description Unit price Qty Amount
Donation to Support Immigration Voice (User: seahawks)
$200.00 USD 1 $200.00 USD
Subtotal $200.00 USD
Total $200.00 USD
Payment $200.00 USD
Payment sent to donations@immigrationvoice.org

over and above monthly recurring contributions.

prem_jyotish
02-12-2012, 10:44 PM
One of my friend has been in USA for 7 yrs. I Spoke to him today and he had no idea about HR 3012. He is well informed person but was not aware of the legislative work being done. I updated him and he has promised to contributed.

Just goes to show that there are people out there who are very frustrated with the lack of reform and still don't know about this Bill.

Let's show some very large numbers (of donations) to NumbersUSA by reaching out to more people.

Remember, its an election year and there are a lot of contentious issue in front of the senate. Politicians might get distracted however we need to work hard in order to get a fair system and make them stay focused.

If you do not want to wait and do not want to spend more money on paperwork, Lawyers, Visa, embassy appmts, photos, fedex, EAD, AP, more paperwork, EAD, AP and H1 renewals and hate queues like Embassy Q, EB Q, DL Q, Fingerprinting Q then act now.

vsrinir
02-13-2012, 05:59 AM
AI Done for Today

Suva
02-13-2012, 09:39 AM
Where is the action item thread?

The Alchemist
02-13-2012, 09:58 AM
...this would be it
Is this the latest one ?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-02-06-2012-a.html

psychedelicNerd
02-13-2012, 10:40 AM
Done action items for today.

dusnt_mata
02-13-2012, 04:19 PM
Got ported 485 approval today.

I just gave a treat to my pals at IV with a $200 contribution, ID: 97D32719SJ7647838

Keep up the good work brothers.

vidyas_m
02-13-2012, 04:25 PM
Got ported 485 approval today.

I just gave a treat to my pals at IV with a $200 contribution, ID: 97D32719SJ7647838

Keep up the good work brothers.

Congratulations for being greened! Enjoy!!!

And many thanks for the donation!!!

StarSun
02-13-2012, 04:49 PM
One of my friend has been in USA for 7 yrs. I Spoke to him today and he had no idea about HR 3012. He is well informed person but was not aware of the legislative work being done. I updated him and he has promised to contributed.

Just goes to show that there are people out there who are very frustrated with the lack of reform and still don't know about this Bill.

Let's show some very large numbers (of donations) to NumbersUSA by reaching out to more people.

Remember, its an election year and there are a lot of contentious issue in front of the senate. Politicians might get distracted however we need to work hard in order to get a fair system and make them stay focused.

If you do not want to wait and do not want to spend more money on paperwork, Lawyers, Visa, embassy appmts, photos, fedex, EAD, AP, more paperwork, EAD, AP and H1 renewals and hate queues like Embassy Q, EB Q, DL Q, Fingerprinting Q then act now.

There are many people you know - assume that only half of them know of HR 3012 and call them - you will find that the assumption you made is actually true!!! Spread the word on writing to senators and contributing. The time is NOW before the bill comes for a vote. Be active NOW to get the results we NEED and WANT.

srikant9
02-13-2012, 04:51 PM
Got ported 485 approval today.

I just gave a treat to my pals at IV with a $200 contribution, ID: 97D32719SJ7647838

Keep up the good work brothers.

Congrats!...

Could you explain SR and how to go about the process of intiaiting the SR?

Thanks.

srikant9
02-13-2012, 04:54 PM
Got ported 485 approval today.

I just gave a treat to my pals at IV with a $200 contribution, ID: 97D32719SJ7647838

Keep up the good work brothers.

which Service center was yours?

vsrinir
02-14-2012, 06:13 AM
AI Done for Today

amit_sp
02-14-2012, 09:56 AM
All:
Few things before we start criticizing IV on IV's forum. First and foremost; let me make it clear that I am not from IV core team but I have always been a supporter.

1. IV is the only organization that I know; that's doing something to bring in the fairness.
2. The core admin team consists of people who have their day-to-day jobs but despite they work hard to contribute their time to IV
3. As far as updates are concerned; IV has mentioned that they can't publish each and every details on these public forums. If there are major updates; IV has always notified us via forums/emails. What do you expect them to do? What is not transparent when it comes to IV? Or do you guys want to receive updates just for the sake of it?
4. On an average; people have donated few hundred dollars to IV but some are acting/demanding info as if they have donated their whole life's worth to IV. Think about it for minute guys; our average salary is $90K and we are not donating even a fraction of it. Has IV criticized anybody for being stingy/selfish?
5. I have seen IV's efforts in organizing rallies, flower campaign and the victory in House with a huge majority when the 2 parties don't even agree on simple issues. I am sure that IV has put in gigantic efforts in HR3012. Before HR3012; did we have any choice? Or do we have any if it dies? It's very easy to criticize by not doing anything but put yourself to action and you realize how difficult the things are.

As I said before; I am also a regular donor member of IV who doesn't have access to donor forum. But as long as things progress; I am happy. I have full faith in IV and I will continue to support it.

john-mac
02-14-2012, 09:57 AM
So what do you suggest wise guy?

This guy just want us to read his post so that people can comment.
I think he is preparing for GMAT.

looivy
02-14-2012, 09:58 AM
No offence to anyone but I feel there are few valid points in this post. I do appreciate all the hardwork and time spend by IV core team butthere sould be some transparency in the activity being performed by IV core. It will attract more donor and support.

IV core - no need to respond to this ROW troll. He is faking as EB3-India to figure out IV's strategy. Delete all his posts and remove his account.

srij
02-14-2012, 09:59 AM
No offence to anyone but I feel there are few valid points in this post. I do appreciate all the hardwork and time spend by IV core team butthere sould be some transparency in the activity being performed by IV core. It will attract more donor and support.

What valid points...Dont BS! Also if you are confident that IV is not doing a good job sharing information, you don't need to quote from some stupid site. You can post it as your opinion. Some dumbhead spent some time on so called analysis and you copied and pasted it. From discussion forums on a lawyers site to a grass root group, IV has something to teach us. Didn't I have enough information and confidence that I've contributed about $400 so far? There are people who got GC and have contributed much more than I've done. I dont think Aman Kapoor or Pappu sent any secret mails to them!

prabcpa
02-14-2012, 10:01 AM
I truly believe that IV is the only organisration working for the benefit of employment based immigration issues. I have seen July 2007 IV work and Advocacy eoffrts in DC.

The fact is IV name is mentioned by the author of the bill, therefore people should not have any doubts about transperency. There is reason for not being transperant.

Regarding the money donation issues, the core and every educated is aware of that a non profit organsiation if they abuse the funds they are subject to crimnal procecusion

As stated by IV core in their earlier communication that is NOT easy task to pass a bill, it takes lot of effort and time.

Just follow the core action items and we are NOT that far away from goal post.

green_mile
02-14-2012, 10:07 AM
No offence to anyone but I feel there are few valid points in this post. I do appreciate all the hardwork and time spend by IV core team butthere sould be some transparency in the activity being performed by IV core. It will attract more donor and support.

Really. you need some transperency? let me ask you this? what is your right to demand transperency from some one who really not answerable to you?

What is your contribution to the IV efforts, if it is zero? why do you even care to post this kind of questions?

even for the donors , who just donated 100 to 500 $ max is expecting their GC will be in mail suddenly next day. these dollars we donate are drop in a bucket and they won't even cover an IV mamber stay in DC for couple of days.

gcnov2002
02-14-2012, 10:14 AM
I would rather get the bill passed than get regular updates. What choice do we have but to wait ? We are doing that anyways..
If you can not trust IV even after 389-15 vote, then you can trust no one..

coopheal
02-14-2012, 10:18 AM
Guys IV's path to get our (i.e. all EB immigrants) issues resolved is right.
Along the way their will be hurdles... and people who will try to misguide us.
Do not let road blocks discourage you...
Do not let opponents misled you...

Do the action items and support IV (you and me) by time, money and efforts.

indigokiwi
02-14-2012, 10:18 AM
All:
Few things before we start criticizing IV on IV's forum. First and foremost; let me make it clear that I am not from IV core team but I have always been a supporter.

1. IV is the only organization that I know; that's doing something to bring in the fairness.
2. The core admin team consists of people who have their day-to-day jobs but despite they work hard to contribute their time to IV
3. As far as updates are concerned; IV has mentioned that they can't publish each and every details on these public forums. If there are major updates; IV has always notified us via forums/emails. What do you expect them to do? What is not transparent when it comes to IV? Or do you guys want to receive updates just for the sake of it?
4. On an average; people have donated few hundred dollars to IV but some are acting/demanding info as if they have donated their whole life's worth to IV. Think about it for minute guys; our average salary is $90K and we are not donating even a fraction of it. Has IV criticized anybody for being stingy/selfish?
5. I have seen IV's efforts in organizing rallies, flower campaign and the victory in House with a huge majority when the 2 parties don't even agree on simple issues. I am sure that IV has put in gigantic efforts in HR3012. Before HR3012; did we have any choice? Or do we have any if it dies? It's very easy to criticize by not doing anything but put yourself to action and you realize how difficult the things are.

As I said before; I am also a regular donor member of IV who doesn't have access to donor forum. But as long as things progress; I am happy. I have full faith in IV and I will continue to support it.

I completely agree. Very well said. To add to that, some members of IV Core are themselves stuck in EB3. I have no doubt that they have been fighting very, very hard for the success of this bill.

green_mile
02-14-2012, 10:25 AM
Guys IV's path to get our (i.e. all EB immigrants) issues resolved is right.
Along the way their will be hurdles... and people who will try to misguide us.
Do not let road blocks discourage you...
Do not let opponents misled you...

Do the action items and support IV (you and me) by time, money and efforts.

Also for the people who is demanding transpewrency:

I owe IV and their flower campaign for my EAD, which I am enjoying now.
If they don't give updates, I still believe there is a strong reason.
IV is so different that they don't want any attention , if they are craving for attention they should be throwing these updates how ever silly they are regularily to attract more users and more money, don't you think?(ex: Oh law firm)

rajeev_achary
02-14-2012, 10:49 AM
Completed AI for today !

Hi Guys, I had done action Items many times in last few months. Donated, Send Mails to Senators, Signed online Petitions, Called Congressman, Called Senators etc etc. Not it becomes frustrating as nobody is even talking about the bill. Nobody knows the status. The last status we know about the bill was in November 2011 and the news was that Grassley put a hold on the bill. Can anybody gives us a concrete update about the bill?. It is not exciting me much to continue AI without any updates . Sorry.

gram123
02-14-2012, 11:02 AM
I second Rajeev_Achary's post. I would be happy with the kind of posts Neelu posted once in a while. But without any updates at all, I'm not excited about star-sun's copy paste messages everyday. Sorry.

gram123
02-14-2012, 11:21 AM
gfor_gc, obviously I'm not asking for strategy and specifics. Is the bill healthy? Do we foresee progress/success? That much will do. While I am okay with the lack of full transparency at this point for the reasons you mention, I a bit miffed at the utter silence. I'm happy that you are motivated to continue!

swarnapuri
02-14-2012, 11:34 AM
gfor_gc, obviously I'm not asking for strategy and specifics. Is the bill healthy? Do we foresee progress/success? That much will do. While I am okay with the lack of full transparency at this point for the reasons you mention, I a bit miffed at the utter silence. I'm happy that you are motivated to continue!

I would first ask you to read-up how the law making process works in this country or for that matter any other country. Nothing is in black and white. There will not be any significant updates/changes day to day or week to week. I am sure that if any significant change happens, IV core team will let us know.

I have been a happy contributing member and was with IV during the flower campaign during the 485 fiasco With EAD in hand because of this organizations past efforts, I am more portable now and I owe that to IV. Many people have significantly benefited from this.

Read up, be part of the group and help achieve our collective goal!

greyhair
02-14-2012, 11:44 AM
gfor_gc, obviously I'm not asking for strategy and specifics. Is the bill healthy? Do we foresee progress/success? That much will do. While I am okay with the lack of full transparency at this point for the reasons you mention, I a bit miffed at the utter silence. I'm happy that you are motivated to continue!

If the prospects of a bill passing the Congress is not enough to keep you motivated and engaged, then you need not visit this or any other immigration forums. No doctor told you that you have to or you must read updates. If someone is not sharing updates with you, seemingly for strategic reasons, it is unreasonable to say that someone is running away with contribution money. Calling somebody a thief is not going to push them to give you more information. If your digestion is affected by the lack of updates, then you should start your organization and go to Washington, then you will know everything going on.

Did you even read Irish newspapers? I saw that 2-3 different Irish groups were fighting to claim that their group was doing E-3 visas for Irish. Is it not possible that these groups are fighting with each other and just making statements in the press to claim credit? I take Irish E-3 media coverage with a grain of salt. For us, "Irish" is 1 person sitting in some room. Internally every group has many different forces working for/against each other. Just because they are making public statements it doesn't mean that they are doing something. Press statements is not always an indication of progress. But you just want to read something to quench your curiosity. If that is the case, I could do daily breaking news section just for you.

I have contributed in the past and for me, I will ask Core to not share any information unless it is helps the bill. My suspicion is that these are ROW people trying to find what's going on.

howzatt
02-14-2012, 11:47 AM
Now is not the time to start these debates, let's wait for the process to play out. Like someone mentioned the legislative process is not easy.

Would you like to have more updates? Would an email from Aman Kapoor be welcome? Absolutely!!! that would be really nice. But the reality is that we know there's things happening behind the scenes.

Nobody knows anything about the lobbying or the lack of funding or whatever. It's just a rumor in a well laid out post by someone.

The senate is busy hammering out the payroll tax cuts, so we should not expect anything this month. Let's keep spreading the word and work on the action items.

howzatt
02-14-2012, 11:53 AM
If the prospects of a bill passing the Congress is not enough to keep you motivated and engaged, then you need not visit this or any other immigration forums. No doctor told you that you have to or you must read updates. If someone is not sharing updates with you, seemingly for strategic reasons, it is unreasonable to say that someone is running away with contribution money. Calling somebody a thief is not going to push them to give you more information. If your digestion is affected by the lack of updates, then you should start your organization and go to Washington, then you will know everything going on.

Did you even read Irish newspapers? I saw that 2-3 different Irish groups were fighting to claim that their group was doing E-3 visas for Irish. Is it not possible that these groups are fighting with each other and just making statements in the press to claim credit? I take Irish E-3 media coverage with a grain of salt. For us, "Irish" is 1 person sitting in some room. Internally every group has many different forces working for/against each other. Just because they are making public statements it doesn't mean that they are doing something. Press statements is not always an indication of progress. But you just want to read something to quench your curiosity. If that is the case, I could do daily breaking news section just for you.

I have contributed in the past and for me, I will ask Core to not share any information unless it is helps the bill. My suspicion is that these are ROW people trying to find what's going on.

Take it easy greyhair!

We all know how frustrating this green card journey is. I've no idea who gram123 is or what he represents but his concerns are valid. Is this the best time and place to express his concerns?I don't think so and I'm sure he realizes it now.

Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

gram123
02-14-2012, 11:54 AM
Guys, I am not here to argue, nor am I here to look for regular 'updates'. But I said what I had to and please take it with the consideration that I am writing as someone who has invested time and effort towards this initiative. Yes, and I have read-up too.

And greyhair, feeling a bit schizophrenic this morning?

gumpena
02-14-2012, 12:01 PM
If nothing happens today, then nothing happens in February..

vsrinir
02-14-2012, 12:05 PM
Hope indefinitely...years...years........

dts
02-14-2012, 12:21 PM
Guys,
HR3012 has tremendous support . House vote was proof. This is GOP bill and strongly suported by white house, House GOP leaders, president's advisor commitee.
It can not die due to one person prejudice or blockage.
However this is democracy and process has to overcome everyone in systematic way.

If you observe any discussion, even the most critics do not have answer about unfair GC system. They agree that some categories are unfairy or senslessly backlogged.

Alway anxiety are at peak at finish line. But need to keep patience, faith and positive thinking.

Please call atleast one new person to bring them on this issues, convince for contribution .
If everyone does this by heart, I am 100% sure, Bill will pass in near future ( again i can not guess time in days/weeks).

floridasun
02-14-2012, 12:28 PM
Hope indefinitely...years...years........

you pretty much summed up all of today's posts in one-line. we all are trying to discover ray of hope in hopeless blackhole of GC. every once in a while when some proposal or op-ed or bill shows up, we raise our hopes way too high. we then get disheartened and try to blame each other for the obvious outcome.

StarSun
02-14-2012, 12:28 PM
IV Efforts:
IV working in the Senate on HR 3012 - Hear Dr. Puneet testify in the Senate Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtRXsP1-jDM) - July 26, 2011. Aman, this organization's founder and a victim of the backlogs himself - sitting right there at the hearing.

IV is behind HR 3012 since its inception - Press Release from Rep. Jason Chaffetz (http://chaffetz.house.gov/press-releases/2011/09/chaffetz-introduces-immigration-bill.shtml) - the sponsor of HR 3012 - Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act - Sept 23, 2011

IV is behind HR 3012 in its passage in the lower chamber of the Congress - Hear Rep. Chaffetz, the sponsor of the bill give credit to Immigration Voice (http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/HouseSessionPart286) on the floor of the US House of Representatives on Nov 29th, 2011

No regular updates were given to the IV members before the bill passed the House Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee - but it passed overwhelmingly. After its passage, people suddenly wanted updates - believe me - you will loose interest in the updates if they were to be provided regularly - you are better of getting to hear the good news once rather than hear the bill was dead a 100 times - which is what happened!!!!!!!

IV Updates:
For anyone who wants updates - here it is:
HR 3012 passed the House on Nov 29th 2011 with overwhelming bipartisan support. The bill moved to the Senate and where Sen. Grassley of Iowa has put a hold on the bill on Nov 30th, 2011. Immigration Voice is working to get the bill passed in the Senate. Your support is needed to pass the bill, please follow through with all the action items (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-02-13-2012-a.html#post3028322) listed, no matter how repetitive it seems to be.

Yes, as some troll mentioned - senate lobbying does need a lot of money - advocate for the changes that brings about fairness and helps you now - get the desired results - No per country limits in Employment Based Immigration System.

For everyone who wants regular updates: What are you really seeking?
The bill is progressing well - sit and relax
The bill is not fairing well - are you ready to do more? or are you going to just get stressed out? - its most likely the later.

Please be assured that IV is working on getting this bill to pass and become the law of the land.

hello
02-14-2012, 12:38 PM
gfor_gc, obviously I'm not asking for strategy and specifics. Is the bill healthy? Do we foresee progress/success? That much will do. While I am okay with the lack of full transparency at this point for the reasons you mention, I a bit miffed at the utter silence. I'm happy that you are motivated to continue!

If IV is saying everything okay then its okay.Let's spread the world and involve more people and if you don't mind,pls put your timeline.
Thanks

amulchandra
02-14-2012, 12:57 PM
IV Efforts:
IV working in the Senate on HR 3012 - Hear Dr. Puneet testify in the Senate Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtRXsP1-jDM) - July 26, 2011. Aman, this organization's founder and a victim of the backlogs himself - sitting right there at the hearing.

IV is behind HR 3012 since its inception - Press Release from Rep. Jason Chaffetz (http://chaffetz.house.gov/press-releases/2011/09/chaffetz-introduces-immigration-bill.shtml) - the sponsor of HR 3012 - Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act - Sept 23, 2011

IV is behind HR 3012 in its passage in the lower chamber of the Congress - Hear Rep. Chaffetz, the sponsor of the bill give credit to Immigration Voice (http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/HouseSessionPart286) on the floor of the US House of Representatives on Nov 29th, 2011

No regular updates were given to the IV members before the bill passed the House Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee - but it passed overwhelmingly. After its passage, people suddenly wanted updates - believe me - you will loose interest in the updates if they were to be provided regularly - you are better of getting to hear the good news once rather than hear the bill was dead a 100 times - which is what happened!!!!!!!

IV Updates:
For anyone who wants updates - here it is:
HR 3012 passed the House on Nov 29th 2011 with overwhelming bipartisan support. The bill moved to the Senate and where Sen. Grassley of Iowa has put a hold on the bill on Nov 30th, 2011. Immigration Voice is working to get the bill passed in the Senate. Your support is needed to pass the bill, please follow through with all the action items (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-02-13-2012-a.html#post3028322) listed, no matter how repetitive it seems to be.

Yes, as some troll mentioned - senate lobbying does need a lot of money - advocate for the changes that brings about fairness and helps you now - get the desired results - No per country limits in Employment Based Immigration System.

For everyone who wants regular updates: What are you really seeking?
The bill is progressing well - sit and relax
The bill is not fairing well - are you ready to do more? or are you going to just get stressed out? - its most likely the later.

Please be assured that IV is working on getting this bill to pass and become the law of the land.

Thank you very much for your response

Amul

gram123
02-14-2012, 01:19 PM
Hello, by timeline you mean the information on top reg priority date etc? I don't have any of those yet. But my spouse is EB-2 India with an early 2011 priority date. I'm about to graduate :)

allegator
02-14-2012, 02:20 PM
Thanks, Its very encouraging. I did acition items several times. I delivered a peronal letter to Eric Cantor who is House representative member from my area through a republican friend of mine. I did receive nice letter from Eric Cantor after the passage of the bill.
I have been active supporter of HR3012 but there are few stupid memebrs who jump on you without veryfying the facts.

Thanks StarSun for posting this. It will encourage members to support more enthusiastically.


IV Efforts:
IV working in the Senate on HR 3012 - Hear Dr. Puneet testify in the Senate Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtRXsP1-jDM) - July 26, 2011. Aman, this organization's founder and a victim of the backlogs himself - sitting right there at the hearing.

IV is behind HR 3012 since its inception - Press Release from Rep. Jason Chaffetz (http://chaffetz.house.gov/press-releases/2011/09/chaffetz-introduces-immigration-bill.shtml) - the sponsor of HR 3012 - Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act - Sept 23, 2011

IV is behind HR 3012 in its passage in the lower chamber of the Congress - Hear Rep. Chaffetz, the sponsor of the bill give credit to Immigration Voice (http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/HouseSessionPart286) on the floor of the US House of Representatives on Nov 29th, 2011

No regular updates were given to the IV members before the bill passed the House Judiciary - Immigration Subcommittee - but it passed overwhelmingly. After its passage, people suddenly wanted updates - believe me - you will loose interest in the updates if they were to be provided regularly - you are better of getting to hear the good news once rather than hear the bill was dead a 100 times - which is what happened!!!!!!!

IV Updates:
For anyone who wants updates - here it is:
HR 3012 passed the House on Nov 29th 2011 with overwhelming bipartisan support. The bill moved to the Senate and where Sen. Grassley of Iowa has put a hold on the bill on Nov 30th, 2011. Immigration Voice is working to get the bill passed in the Senate. Your support is needed to pass the bill, please follow through with all the action items (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-02-13-2012-a.html#post3028322) listed, no matter how repetitive it seems to be.

Yes, as some troll mentioned - senate lobbying does need a lot of money - advocate for the changes that brings about fairness and helps you now - get the desired results - No per country limits in Employment Based Immigration System.

For everyone who wants regular updates: What are you really seeking?
The bill is progressing well - sit and relax
The bill is not fairing well - are you ready to do more? or are you going to just get stressed out? - its most likely the later.

Please be assured that IV is working on getting this bill to pass and become the law of the land.

MGajapathy
02-14-2012, 02:31 PM
Contributed $100
Receipt Number: 0346-2026-9209-7699

thomachan72
02-14-2012, 02:41 PM
It is quite understandable that members are getting more and more anxious about the bill. Its been sitting in the senate despite having been supported by IV and securing the best possible results in the house. My take about the whole situation is simply that there is only one thing I personally can do. That is to support what IV puts out as an action item. I have to drag myself to do it often but have been trying. The main thing I have been working on is talking to friends. Alternatively I could chose to sit and brood about the outcome but finally realized that is not going to help. I thought let others do it and realized that others were thinking the same, oooops!! Often as I lie down to sleep thoughts of pesimism flash across and I work hard to put them aside by saying to myself "Hey do what you can and then leave it up to the super power we all trust in". If it is for us it will happen but to increase the odds we certainly have to believe and work diligently towards the goal. Starting with doubts will get us nowhere but where we began the journey. Acknowledge the desire to scan for updates and realize that there is no real update that we wait for anxiously other than the word from IV that "Our bill is scheduled for voting and WILL pass with flying colors". Have faith :D:D

ronhira
02-14-2012, 03:54 PM
Thanks, Its very encouraging. I did acition items several times. I delivered a peronal letter to Eric Cantor who is House representative member from my area through a republican friend of mine. I did receive nice letter from Eric Cantor after the passage of the bill.
I have been active supporter of HR3012 but there are few stupid memebrs who jump on you without veryfying the facts.

Thanks StarSun for posting this. It will encourage members to support more enthusiastically.

if u were truly looking for an update.... then help me understand what new update is there in starsun post? everything that is mentioned in the post is already in public domain..... & if u that u need is a reassurance..... then sorry for being blunt but u'r not looking for an update, but u'r looking therapy to comfort u that it will all be ok.....

people like u should not look for any updates from this or any other forum..... & most of all not from oh website..... if we think we have a role to play.... then do what we think is right..... if u don't think u have a role to play.... then sit back & do what works for u.... don't look for therapy or reassurance...... becoz no one knows what will happen in the future......

1 more thing.... just becoz u sent letter to eric cantor doesn't make u entitled for "updates"..... everyone did their share..... i also sent messages and made phone calls..... that doesn't make me entitled for any more information than what is available in public domain.....

thomachan72
02-14-2012, 04:10 PM
Is Miss mugamba looking for updates also?:D:D

praskar
02-14-2012, 06:38 PM
I have complete faith in IV. Not only in what they're doing, but also in terms of what updates to give us and when. For now, MARCH 2012 it is!!

allegator
02-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Are you a preacher! Do your work man! Do not jump on everything like a monkey. I do not need a lesson from you. Just shut you mount if you do not have any positive to say about others.



if u were truly looking for an update.... then help me understand what new update is there in starsun post? everything that is mentioned in the post is already in public domain..... & if u that u need is a reassurance..... then sorry for being blunt but u'r not looking for an update, but u'r looking therapy to comfort u that it will all be ok.....

people like u should not look for any updates from this or any other forum..... & most of all not from oh website..... if we think we have a role to play.... then do what we think is right..... if u don't think u have a role to play.... then sit back & do what works for u.... don't look for therapy or reassurance...... becoz no one knows what will happen in the future......

1 more thing.... just becoz u sent letter to eric cantor doesn't make u entitled for "updates"..... everyone did their share..... i also sent messages and made phone calls..... that doesn't make me entitled for any more information than what is available in public domain.....

Ajoshi
02-14-2012, 08:52 PM
If anyone is upset then he/she should use that anger to work twice as hard to spread the word on #3012 around. Please don't take out your frustrations on people who are in the same boat as yours.

Just let it go, and rise above these personal attacks. This site is not meant for anyone's ego ride.

If you don't approve of something, just don't pay too much attention, and keep up your constructive work.

floridasun
02-14-2012, 09:07 PM
These are extremely frustrating and disheartening times... Most ppl's intentions in this forum are to see 3012 pass (except for the few evil trolls). We are all beating around the bushes but in the end we all are eagerly awaiting some positive movement in the bill's journey. I definitely understand IV does not owe any guarantees or blame for bill's fate but I should admit the "sshhhhh no updates till bill is passed" message concerns me. this is more so considering that pretty important bills are coming up for Senate and after that election drama commences. Again nothing negative about IV - they really did a great job but we gotta admit ground reality

vinodgaa@gmail.com
02-14-2012, 09:29 PM
Transaction ID for this payment is: 93W4006996101243F.:cool:

gvenkat
02-14-2012, 09:31 PM
These are extremely frustrating and disheartening times... Most ppl's intentions in this forum are to see 3012 pass (except for the few evil trolls). We are all beating around the bushes but in the end we all are eagerly awaiting some positive movement in the bill's journey. I definitely understand IV does not owe any guarantees or blame for bill's fate but I should admit the "sshhhhh no updates till bill is passed" message concerns me. this is more so considering that pretty important bills are coming up for Senate and after that election drama commences. Again nothing negative about IV - they really did a great job but we gotta admit ground reality

I agree with you totally.

hello
02-14-2012, 09:34 PM
Transaction ID for this payment is: 93W4006996101243F.:cool:

Thank you

vsrinir
02-15-2012, 06:30 AM
Done AI Today

vidyas_m
02-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Completed Action Items today.

smuggymba
02-15-2012, 08:59 AM
if u were truly looking for an update.... then help me understand what new update is there in starsun post? everything that is mentioned in the post is already in public domain..... & if u that u need is a reassurance..... then sorry for being blunt but u'r not looking for an update, but u'r looking therapy to comfort u that it will all be ok.....

people like u should not look for any updates from this or any other forum..... & most of all not from oh website..... if we think we have a role to play.... then do what we think is right..... if u don't think u have a role to play.... then sit back & do what works for u.... don't look for therapy or reassurance...... becoz no one knows what will happen in the future......

1 more thing.... just becoz u sent letter to eric cantor doesn't make u entitled for "updates"..... everyone did their share..... i also sent messages and made phone calls..... that doesn't make me entitled for any more information than what is available in public domain.....

That's a typical Ronhira response. He never adds any value, is always sarcastic. All of his posts are useless. That's the reason he has not got a GC with a Feb 05 PD and he blames his lawyer for that and jumps on anyone who talks/praises a lawyer.

Chandini
02-15-2012, 01:13 PM
That's a typical Ronhira response. He never adds any value, is always sarcastic. All of his posts are useless. That's the reason he has not got a GC with a Feb 05 PD and he blames his lawyer for that and jumps on anyone who talks/praises a lawyer..

Well said....

dts
02-15-2012, 01:34 PM
That's a typical Ronhira response. He never adds any value, is always sarcastic. All of his posts are useless. That's the reason he has not got a GC with a Feb 05 PD and he blames his lawyer for that and jumps on anyone who talks/praises a lawyer.

Friends,
Let us stop fighting. Ignore any unwanted comments. We can not afford to waste energy in reply to nonsense comments. Let us focus on AI.
If we work hard this bill have to pass. Because HR3012 is truth and Truth always wins.
"STAND UP TO YOUR OBSTACLES AND DO SOMETING ABOUT THEM. YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE NOT HALF THE STRENGTH , YOU THINK THEY HAVE"

Everyday call atleast one new person to bring them on board and contribute in these efforts.

praskar
02-15-2012, 02:15 PM
Are some of you guys actually turning on against others whom you'll never meet in real life anyway? Let's just focus on getting this damn 3012 passed in March and ignore anything else that irritates us.

gujju
02-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Are some of you guys actually turning on against others whom you'll never meet in real life anyway? Let's just focus on getting this damn 3012 passed in March and ignore anything else that irritates us.

We still have half of Feb left , so lets get this passed asap.

baleraosreedhar
02-15-2012, 02:35 PM
That's a typical Ronhira response. He never adds any value, is always sarcastic. All of his posts are useless. That's the reason he has not got a GC with a Feb 05 PD and he blames his lawyer for that and jumps on anyone who talks/praises a lawyer.

Please maintain constructive discussion on the forum's and do not comment on a users GC status.

smuggymba
02-15-2012, 02:41 PM
Please maintain constructive discussion on the forum's and do not comment on a users GC status.

Thanks you forum police. Can you echo the same to the person who I replied to..not that anyone cares.

Anyway, AI's done for today.

gujju
02-15-2012, 03:00 PM
We still have half of Feb left , so lets get this passed asap.

I mean lets focus on all the action items and support IV Core to take it to the finish line and get this bill passed

Lets hope for the best and be prepared to face challenges.

madhavi
02-15-2012, 03:53 PM
Signed up for recurring donations for 6 months.
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vsrinir
02-16-2012, 06:30 AM
AI Done Today

MIK18
02-16-2012, 09:59 AM
Done with AI for today..

Hope to hear good news soon !!

psychedelicNerd
02-16-2012, 10:35 AM
Done with my Action Items for today.

dts
02-16-2012, 12:26 PM
Done with AI today

lost_in_migration
02-16-2012, 04:02 PM
Voting on Payroll Tax cut extension is tomorrow. If HR 3012 is attached to this bill then Grassley would have hard time putting a hold on the primary bill due to its popularity. At the most he can bring amendment to drop HR 3012 and I think it would need a simple majority to reject that amendment. This can potentially ensure smooth sailing for our bill. Any thoughts on this??

smuggymba
02-16-2012, 04:12 PM
Voting on Payroll Tax cut extension is tomorrow. If HR 3012 is attached to this bill then Grassley would have hard time putting a hold on the primary bill due to its popularity. At the most he can bring amendment to drop HR 3012 and I think it would need a simple majority to reject that amendment. This can potentially ensure smooth sailing for our bill. Any thoughts on this??

IV isn't that powerful to enfoce last minute changes to the senate schedule. All we can do is focus on action items and hope.

NUS
02-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Voting on Payroll Tax cut extension is tomorrow. If HR 3012 is attached to this bill then Grassley would have hard time putting a hold on the primary bill due to its popularity. At the most he can bring amendment to drop HR 3012 and I think it would need a simple majority to reject that amendment. This can potentially ensure smooth sailing for our bill. Any thoughts on this??

Oh man..you really hope for the stars. It will never be attached to the payroll bill.

gk_2000
02-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Oh man..you really hope for the stars. It will never be attached to the payroll bill.

HA HA HA ... you do understand I think :)

vsrinir
02-17-2012, 08:10 AM
AI Done for Today

swarnapuri
02-17-2012, 08:44 AM
Oh man..you really hope for the stars. It will never be attached to the payroll bill.

I see that this is your first post! Think positive!

spven
02-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Nothing new, trying to attach E3 to 3012. See todays Politico story. Politico is big on the hill.
Scott Brown not so lucky with Irish visas - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73007.html)

Suva
02-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Done AI for today.

lost_in_migration
02-17-2012, 10:38 AM
I understand that given the time constraint and for other reasons HR 3012 was less likely to be added to Payroll Tax cut bill but the point here is if HR 3012 gets added as a Rider to a popular bill like Payroll Tax cut extension or an important bill like an appropriation bill then it is less likely to be effectively filibustered (although riders are generally added to avoid Veto which was never a risk here).

When Congress does not or cannot produce separate bills in a timely fashion, it will roll many of the separate appropriations bills into one omnibus spending bill. Some of the reasons that Congress might not complete all the separate bills include partisan disagreement, disagreement amongst members of the same political party, and too much work on other bills.

So if nothing happens in the Senate on HR 3012, then by end of the year we can hope and try for Omnibus spending bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(legislation)
Omnibus spending bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_spending_bill)

Voting on Payroll Tax cut extension is tomorrow. If HR 3012 is attached to this bill then Grassley would have hard time putting a hold on the primary bill due to its popularity. At the most he can bring amendment to drop HR 3012 and I think it would need a simple majority to reject that amendment. This can potentially ensure smooth sailing for our bill. Any thoughts on this??

amulchandra
02-17-2012, 10:44 AM
So if nothing happens in the Senate on HR 3012, then by end of the year we can hope and try for Omnibus spending bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(legislation)
Omnibus spending bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_spending_bill)


Please don't say that we have to wait till the end of the year. I am hoping that we will be done with this bill by the end of March since from Feb end to March end senate is in session continuously.

Suva
02-17-2012, 11:29 AM
I very much doubt that people would have the energy to do the action items till end of the year.:(

I understand that given the time constraint and for other reasons HR 3012 was less likely to be added to Payroll Tax cut bill but the point here is if HR 3012 gets added as a Rider to a popular bill like Payroll Tax cut extension or an important bill like an appropriation bill then it is less likely to be effectively filibustered (although riders are generally added to avoid Veto which was never a risk here).



So if nothing happens in the Senate on HR 3012, then by end of the year we can hope and try for Omnibus spending bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(legislation)
Omnibus spending bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_spending_bill)

madhu345
02-17-2012, 12:35 PM
I very much doubt that people would have the energy to do the action items till end of the year.:(

We are so use to it, we can do it untill we retire:)

lost_in_migration
02-17-2012, 12:48 PM
Ofcourse I didn't mean to say that and I hope it would be done by end of March, but just in-case... ;)

Please don't say that we have to wait till the end of the year. I am hoping that we will be done with this bill by the end of March since from Feb end to March end senate is in session continuously.

skrish
02-17-2012, 01:16 PM
I do action items first thing in the morning, before even brushing my teeth :) too much information ? maybe I should just start my own website - ActionItemCentral

gvenkat
02-17-2012, 01:36 PM
I very much doubt that people would have the energy to do the action items till end of the year.:(

Bro, we need to move on to Eb2 if nothing happens. I don't think I have the patience anymore. Yes or No for Hr3012 will help.

Atleast we will know what to do in case if this does not pass. I would rather have a yes/no answer than uncertainity.

P.S: Before some once asks me to do AI. I will say I have done my action items. Contributed 100$ initially and now a recurring contributor for 6 months. :)

neel_gump
02-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Bro, we need to move on to Eb2 if nothing happens. I don't think I have the patience anymore. Yes or No for Hr3012 will help.

Atleast we will know what to do in case if this does not pass. I would rather have a yes/no answer than uncertainity.

P.S: Before some once asks me to do AI. I will say I have done my action items. Contributed 100$ initially and now a recurring contributor for 6 months. :)

I can't agree more!! Either YES or NO rather than UNKNOWN would really help.

neel_gump
02-17-2012, 02:18 PM
I do action items first thing in the morning, before even brushing my teeth :) too much information ? maybe I should just start my own website - ActionItemCentral

super like!!!

thomachan72
02-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Pls reach out to Friends, People, Communities, Leaders ...
Efforts bring results. To inspire everyone, a check today from an Organization for $450, more to follow, best day for 8 hrs efforts, 3 trips during last 2 months.


"DNFTT" Please Don't Feed the Trolls
Together IV (I+We) All Will Succeed

digital, dont know how you do these but you might want to connect via IV leadership with other state chapters and see if this could be replicated elsewhere. Pls directly call starsun/others and discuss.

pappu
02-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Bro, we need to move on to Eb2 if nothing happens. I don't think I have the patience anymore. Yes or No for Hr3012 will help.

Atleast we will know what to do in case if this does not pass. I would rather have a yes/no answer than uncertainity.

P.S: Before some once asks me to do AI. I will say I have done my action items. Contributed 100$ initially and now a recurring contributor for 6 months. :)

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

vsrinir
02-17-2012, 02:55 PM
Still no Hopes.........

Schedule for Monday, February 27, 2012 and pro forma:

Schedule for Monday, February 27, 2012 and pro forma | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/02/17/schedule-for-monday-february-27-2012-and-pro-forma/)

samy
02-17-2012, 03:02 PM
We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.

Thanks pappu for taking this initiative.

Also if IV help us in EB3 to EB2 porting, it will also help the backlogged people. If DOL simply process the application in 90 days (including audit) for second PERM application that itself hepls EB3 backlogg a lot. I am sure this change does not require congressional approval.

dts
02-17-2012, 03:34 PM
I am thinking to distribute new flyers ( current flyers everyone knows about) at Metropark, Edison, Metuchen in NJ train stations where I think 5000 - 6000 potential candidates ( majority might be in waiting queue or are on L1) exist.

I know everyone knows about Bill, but sending new flyers will reignite compaign, motivate and renew enthusiasm.
I am ready to spend $100-200 , but having more volunteers will help lot.

gujju
02-17-2012, 03:38 PM
Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

Pappu ,

Thanks for the motivation and for always giving us hope.Hope is what makes it all better.We are with you and IV.

Rock On IV.
Gujju

thomachan72
02-17-2012, 04:14 PM
Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.
These are all secondary agenda items but thanks for brining them on.
However, HR3012 simply is a must given the situation we all are in. Its our only chance to get a fairness into the system. IV pls continue working hard on this.

senram
02-17-2012, 04:18 PM
You need to port to EB2 to get GC faster at the same time you can take actions for HR3012. We never know how long it takes to pass HR3012. It may take months if any amendment is attached as it has to go to House again. It seems negotiations are going on with Grassley in the background. It shows that it may be difficult to override Grassley's Hold. Otherwise they might have already brought Cloture. Or they want to give respect to Grassley thoug the bill has support of 60 votes. Unless you came to know background information what is going on you need to port to Eb2 if possible

Bro, we need to move on to Eb2 if nothing happens. I don't think I have the patience anymore. Yes or No for Hr3012 will help.

Atleast we will know what to do in case if this does not pass. I would rather have a yes/no answer than uncertainity.

P.S: Before some once asks me to do AI. I will say I have done my action items. Contributed 100$ initially and now a recurring contributor for 6 months. :)

bpratap
02-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Thanks pappu for taking this initiative.

Also if IV help us in EB3 to EB2 porting, it will also help the backlogged people. If DOL simply process the application in 90 days (including audit) for second PERM application that itself hepls EB3 backlogg a lot. I am sure this change does not require congressional approval.

Porting EB2 has to be done / initiated by you, yourself. IV cannot help you on it.

Talk to your Manager, HR, Lawyer etc. to get the a EB2 Processed for you. and port ur case to Eb2. lately many employers are willing to do it. It shouldn't be a case where you didn't ask for it.

Suva
02-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Pappu, thanks for the update. It's always good to see posts from you.

Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

samy
02-17-2012, 05:27 PM
Porting EB2 has to be done / initiated by you, yourself. IV cannot help you on it.

Talk to your Manager, HR, Lawyer etc. to get the a EB2 Processed for you. and port ur case to Eb2. lately many employers are willing to do it. It shouldn't be a case where you didn't ask for it.

Sir, you did not read my post fully.

I requested my manager; then managers manager and then the HR manager. Then the lawyer. Finally they agreed. It all started in Summer 2009. I am stuck at Audit now. Total I spent 2 years so far.

I have masters and 25 years of experience. For Labor 18 years of experience.

All I am asking DOL can process the second PERM at a faster rate, provided some conditions are met.

Not all people can port. But if at least some port the EB3I queue will move faster.

bpratap
02-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Sir, you did not read my post fully.

I requested my manager; then managers manager and then the HR manager. Then the lawyer. Finally they agreed. It all started in Summer 2009. I am stuck at Audit now. Total I spent 2 years so far.

I have masters and 25 years of experience. For Labor 18 years of experience.

All I am asking DOL can process the second PERM at a faster rate, provided some conditions are met.

Not all people can port. But if at least some port the EB3I queue will move faster.

Totally Agree !

if people who can port to Eb2, do the porting, it will not only help themselves, but also ease up the Eb3 Queue.

As far as I know (Correct me if I m wrong), Eb2 Labor is like a fresh Labor application, only at the I-140 stage, you are attaching your OLD PD to it. I have seen many people got their Labor approved in 2-3 months time. so not sure what is happening on ur case.

Sounds like the employer/ Lawyer have goofed up some where. May be on the Job description.

DallasBlue
02-18-2012, 03:20 PM
Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

Senator Reid , Senator McConnell , Senator Cornyn, Senator Grassely,



Stop the discrimination.

How a doctor from Bangladesh is better than a doctor from Mexico? They all save lives when in emergency.

Fix the law that discriminates on the nationality of origin. Pass HR3012.

dts
02-20-2012, 02:11 PM
Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful . Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.


Members, what do you think?

thomachan72
02-20-2012, 02:30 PM
Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful . Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.


Members, what do you think?
The problem is that it is the norm for any bill. Bill for clean energy will have some amendment for "same sex marriage" in it. I guess it is a provision to help speed up the system but actually ends up hurting it. Our only option is to increase the lobbying power of IV and that would need more funds and lots more of it. We dont have Indian/Chinese senators helping us so we have to make up with other lobbying power. Anyway keep up doing the action items diligently and get more folks involved. That is the only way out.

dts
02-20-2012, 02:50 PM
The problem is that it is the norm for any bill. Bill for clean energy will have some amendment for "same sex marriage" in it. I guess it is a provision to help speed up the system but actually ends up hurting it. Our only option is to increase the lobbying power of IV and that would need more funds and lots more of it. We dont have Indian/Chinese senators helping us so we have to make up with other lobbying power. Anyway keep up doing the action items diligently and get more folks involved. That is the only way out.

Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators. IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington. She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US. If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels. See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

thomachan72
02-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Nirupama IFS raising funds for us :D you must be kidding, right? It is not as simple as you think. Even if she were to say do you think it will have any effect. Can one of us say that "one" indian association has helped us till now?? If you can convince one local indian association (different states have different associations and are easy to locate) to donate some funds or participate in our action items then I will agree that Nirupama should be contacted.
Now your comment regarding Indian senators, I dont know who these senators are. Even if we identify them, I personally feel that these guys dont have strong ties to their roots and dont really identify with EB immigrants. Not to break any of your hopes but just putting out the reality as I see from posts of IV members/leaders. Our only hope is strong lobbying and direct personal emails to the respective senators. Hopefully we will see some effect soon.

smuggymba
02-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators. IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington. She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US. If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels. See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

Nirupma has other things to do. She was frisked at the airport few months ago and all India did was protest at the appropriate level. She doesn't have "powerful" relation with Washington IMO.

Indian origin politicians (Bobby & Nikki) hardly talk about their Indian roots.

gcharry
02-20-2012, 03:42 PM
It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.

waitingnwaiting
02-20-2012, 03:59 PM
Seems like Irish lobby and their false propaganda is major hurdle than Grassley hold.

Irish lobby and their supporter senators have taken H.R.3012 as hostage to pass their own provisions since three months.

How do you know this is true? How can a 'propaganda' in your own words be true?

Irish lobby is making claim that they are very powerful .

And people like you are faling for it? Where are reading all this information BTW? Some lawyer website or anyone's personal website? Show me which mainstream media is saying what you are saying?

Then why they need our support?
In fact, they know they do not have power to stand alone and hence need to ride with help of H.R.3012.

When you know the answer to your confusion why are you so worried?

IV should start action Item to pressurize and convince Senators who are holding H.R.3012 to include Irish provision.

What makes you think IV is not doing it? I trust the maturiaty and intelligence of IV core.


IV should work out plan to convince Senators to drop controversial amendments in non controversial bill and get bill for voting or cloture as early as possible.
Except few Senators, no one is in oppose of 3012. It can easily pass cloture.


Members, what do you think?

How do you know it will 'easily' pass cloture? Have you personally visited each senator office and lobbies to get an answer for their vote?

waitingnwaiting
02-20-2012, 04:02 PM
It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.

So you want an IFS indian governmant servant to lobby for Indians who want to leave India and settle in USA? Don't the Indian government have better things to do? Like helping Indian companies do more business in USA, Make more profit and get more dollars in India as profit?

waitingnwaiting
02-20-2012, 04:07 PM
It is better to approach Nirupama Rao to lobby for us.

How about an action item where we ask our parents, brothers and sisters in India to start lobbying in India for us. They should be meeting ministers, MLA , MP in India and ask them to help their relative in USA on H1B who does not want to return to India to settle permanently.

I am not sure how work gets done in India. Maybe sending emails and signing an online petition in India by our relatives will melt the hearts of politicians in India and they will come to USA and talk to the government here.

What do you think guys?

waitingnwaiting
02-20-2012, 04:12 PM
Right. But why IV can not approach and take help from few Indian Origin Senators.


What are those Indian origin senators? Please enlighten me?

IV can also approach Indian High commission Nirupama Roa who is powerful and great relations in Washington.


Why do you think she is powerful? Show me one work that shows she is powerful in influencing US immigration policy?
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She gave speech yesterday about how Indian companies helping US economy and creating jobs in US.
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Many US politicians have said the same thing in their speeches.

If IV approach her, she can get lot more funding and lot more power by activating her channels.


Wow you want an Indian givernment official to raise money for us? Because we all are incapable of signing up for $25 per month?




See, Irish Prime Minister talked to Senators last week about E-3 visas.
Why IV is not using Indian political channels , specially when Washington people now really listen what Indian diplomats say.

IV should start approaching available diplomatic channels.

All Indians wanting greencard need to first learn to support and work for their cause before expecting someone else to work for them for free.

hopefullegalimmigrant
02-20-2012, 05:41 PM
Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.


Thanks for the update Pappu. These are tough times, but we believe in immigrationvoice and all the background lobbying work that is happening. We will continue action items. There is HOPE. This is the best we can do.

DallasBlue
02-20-2012, 09:44 PM
Senator Reid , Senator McConnell , Senator Cornyn, Senator Grassely,

END the Discrimination.
How a doctor from Bangladesh is better than a doctor from Mexico? They all save lives when in emergency.
Fix the law that discriminates on the nationality of origin. Pass HR3012.



Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.




as we have lived without per country limits in recent times. Prior to Jan 1, 2005, the EB numbers were always current because AC 21, enacted in 2000, recaptured 130,000 numbers from 1998 and 1999, and the per country limits were postponed under a formula until the demand in the EB outstripped the supply. The lack of per country limits helped, but we also had the additional unused numbers. However, at that time, we also had a surge under the 245(i) program, which we do not have today. The notes in the January 1, 2005 Visa Bulletin Visa Bulletin for January 2005 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_2007.html), when there was retrogression in the EB-3 for the first time after AC21, explains it all.

looks like when the supply of 140k outgrows demand, country caps are thrown out, will the country caps be void soon ?

dts
02-20-2012, 10:31 PM
How do you know this is true? How can a 'propaganda' in your own words be true?


And people like you are faling for it? Where are reading all this information BTW? Some lawyer website or anyone's personal website? Show me which mainstream media is saying what you are saying?


When you know the answer to your confusion why are you so worried?

What makes you think IV is not doing it? I trust the maturiaty and intelligence of IV core.



How do you know it will 'easily' pass cloture? Have you personally visited each senator office and lobbies to get an answer for their vote?


Are you from Irish Lobby? If so ( and surely you are ) please convey IV members feelings to your so called powerful community.

dts
02-20-2012, 10:44 PM
Nirupama IFS raising funds for us :D you must be kidding, right? It is not as simple as you think. Even if she were to say do you think it will have any effect. Can one of us say that "one" indian association has helped us till now?? If you can convince one local indian association (different states have different associations and are easy to locate) to donate some funds or participate in our action items then I will agree that Nirupama should be contacted.
Now your comment regarding Indian senators, I dont know who these senators are. Even if we identify them, I personally feel that these guys dont have strong ties to their roots and dont really identify with EB immigrants. Not to break any of your hopes but just putting out the reality as I see from posts of IV members/leaders. Our only hope is strong lobbying and direct personal emails to the respective senators. Hopefully we will see some effect soon.

No. I am not kidding. I agree with you this is not easy. However, If we are approaching Senators, politicians.. I do not think IFS officer is so great that we should hesitate to approach them.
High commissions have always annual budget for lobbying various bills to protect Indian interest in US.
It is perfectly ok to request about contribution for H.R.3012 as this is helping Indians most.

At most they may ignore request but there is no other harm. Instead of being pessimistic and not try at all , why should be optimistic and give a shot.
IV can apply same positive approach to convince them which IV has done so far to bring this bill at this stage.
I would also suggest even step further to approach Chinese high commission also as this bill will help thousands of chinese also. They will surely at least listen.

dts
02-20-2012, 10:58 PM
Nirupma has other things to do. She was frisked at the airport few months ago and all India did was protest at the appropriate level. She doesn't have "powerful" relation with Washington IMO.

Indian origin politicians (Bobby & Nikki) hardly talk about their Indian roots.

Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

vsrinir
02-21-2012, 06:19 AM
AI Done Today

ronhira
02-21-2012, 07:48 AM
Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

sure, its so easy..... so when r u getting it done?

if u already dont know, chuck schumer runs immigration committee...... bobby & nikki don't even have a vote in us congress..... and if they did, just to show that they r not indians, these 2 would've voted with steve king for eliminating eb-3 category..... instead of voting for hr3012...... stay away from bobby & nikki.....

high commissioner is stupid & new.... she doesnt even know what to say & what not to say to the press..... her press quote a few days back was like adding fuel to the fire on this debate.....

i know we r all trying to come up with new ideas..... lets try to come with ideas that help (an not hurt) us.....

green_mile
02-21-2012, 08:20 AM
and if they did, just to show that they r not indians, these 2 would've voted with steve king for eliminating eb-3 category..... instead of voting for hr3012...... stay away from bobby & nikki.....



This +1

thomachan72
02-21-2012, 09:59 AM
No. I am not kidding. I agree with you this is not easy. However, If we are approaching Senators, politicians.. I do not think IFS officer is so great that we should hesitate to approach them.
High commissions have always annual budget for lobbying various bills to protect Indian interest in US.
It is perfectly ok to request about contribution for H.R.3012 as this is helping Indians most.

At most they may ignore request but there is no other harm. Instead of being pessimistic and not try at all , why should be optimistic and give a shot.
IV can apply same positive approach to convince them which IV has done so far to bring this bill at this stage.
I would also suggest even step further to approach Chinese high commission also as this bill will help thousands of chinese also. They will surely at least listen.

dts, I agree with you. It will not harm us anyway to contact Anupama / Indian politicians etc but even for that we need to divert "funds", right? Since IV is running on limmited resources where will these funds come from? Somebody or a group of people have to travel, stay and meet with these folks, right? I understand your concept and it will certainly work if we were having a huge bank balance. If you review past IV activities its often the leaders paying out of pocket and then slowly being reimbursed to some extend by our $25 contributions. Pls try to understand our limitations also while planning out activities. IV is doing the best it can given its very very limited resources. Planning such ambitious programs are easy but putting them into action becomes absolutely a nightmare if you dont have the resources.

smuggymba
02-21-2012, 10:21 AM
Correct . Point is , can our efforts make them talk about Bill? If Bobby & Nikki are pressurized, they can highlight HR3012 like chuck scummier did for E-3 visa in Senate.

If High commissioner have lots of things to do, why can't we add our task in 'todo' list.
That is also part of lobbying .

Working hard positively , they can be brought on board. It is not impossible or gigantic task.

A desi organization went to Bobby to make him a guest of honor at one of the desi diwali programs and he didn't accept. Nikki and Bobby never talk about their desi roots or support "legal immigration" openly. Hispanic politicians, on the other hand, openly advocate about giving rights to illegals. So, moral of the story is Bobby and Nikki are useless.

dts
02-21-2012, 10:46 AM
dts, I agree with you. It will not harm us anyway to contact Anupama / Indian politicians etc but even for that we need to divert "funds", right? Since IV is running on limmited resources where will these funds come from? Somebody or a group of people have to travel, stay and meet with these folks, right? I understand your concept and it will certainly work if we were having a huge bank balance. If you review past IV activities its often the leaders paying out of pocket and then slowly being reimbursed to some extend by our $25 contributions. Pls try to understand our limitations also while planning out activities. IV is doing the best it can given its very very limited resources. Planning such ambitious programs are easy but putting them into action becomes absolutely a nightmare if you dont have the resources.

Yes. Your views are practical. I was just giving new idea but if not practical, we can leave it.
Many folks revealed here that High commission or Bobby & Nikki are not cooperative and never shown enthusiasm for Indian community so we can not rely on them.

However I heard that High commmission has annual budget for lobbying for various bills..
Can IV leaders atleast make request for contribution for HR3012 ? Request can be done without much money ( either on phone call or official conf call).

IV is official organization fighting for same line/ideology for which High commission have budget .
There is no reason to be ashamed or hesitance to make request for contribution.

dts
02-21-2012, 10:48 AM
A desi organization went to Bobby to make him a guest of honor at one of the desi diwali programs and he didn't accept. Nikki and Bobby never talk about their desi roots or support "legal immigration" openly. Hispanic politicians, on the other hand, openly advocate about giving rights to illegals. So, moral of the story is Bobby and Nikki are useless.

if so, we can't rely on them. May be they may harm us than help us.

dts
02-21-2012, 10:50 AM
and if they did, just to show that they r not indians, these 2 would've voted with steve king for eliminating eb-3 category..... instead of voting for hr3012...... stay away from bobby & nikki.....



This +1

stunning. No wonder India was slave for150 years !!!

giri26
02-21-2012, 10:55 AM
Signed up for 6 months.

starscream
02-21-2012, 11:00 AM
No action item reminder from StarSun today with thimbs up sign???

:confused:

madhu345
02-21-2012, 11:23 AM
Signed up for 6 months.

ronhira
02-21-2012, 11:27 AM
stunning. No wonder India was slave for150 years !!!

funny..... disagreeing with u explains the reason for india to be enslaved for 150 years?...... the world must revolve around u.....

gvenkat
02-21-2012, 01:19 PM
dts, I agree with you. It will not harm us anyway to contact Anupama / Indian politicians etc but even for that we need to divert "funds", right? Since IV is running on limmited resources where will these funds come from? Somebody or a group of people have to travel, stay and meet with these folks, right? I understand your concept and it will certainly work if we were having a huge bank balance. If you review past IV activities its often the leaders paying out of pocket and then slowly being reimbursed to some extend by our $25 contributions. Pls try to understand our limitations also while planning out activities. IV is doing the best it can given its very very limited resources. Planning such ambitious programs are easy but putting them into action becomes absolutely a nightmare if you dont have the resources.

It's non-sense trying to contact the Indian Ambassador. So in effect we are asking our government to support US to give an Indian citizen a Green card. What does India stand to gain out of it. And secondly this nikki and bobbi are useless. For heaven sake these two converted their name to sound american and people think they will fight for us. Wow.

gchopes2012
02-21-2012, 02:01 PM
I 'm quite new here and it can be easily guessed by the number of posts , but at the same time it does not mean that I may be not talking sense

I do see that few people are respected here for there valuable advise and also the efforts put behind IV , and i do appreciate that , and I 'm getting into doing action items and contributing by setting Paypal after learning about IV

Well I'll stop by rambling and come straight to the point
Why is EB3 always in if Loop , what i mean to say is if EB2 becomes current then it will be worked on to get Spillovers from eb2 to benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis (which is clearly EB3 -I as it most retrogressed)
but why question is what if it does not ,with EB2 moving fast with so many applications being filed ,there can be probability of otherwise too , do we have any back up plan to address most backlogged category on its own ?

I 'm not trying to bring down the hopes or its a question optimistic and pessimistic , but trying to pen down my thoughts , as i do not see EB3 being much discussed or addressed , and situation and plight is dependent on some many factors like transformer with wires gauged

Why can't we have a simple solution like capture the unused quote or what ever its called , or percentage of spillover to be flown to most backlogged category , that could have speculated less opposition i guess , and atleast no one could have tried to piggy bank on it :rolleyes:


Eb3 needs to move forward. This wait is unaccptable. Even with hr3012 there will be wait for eb3. We have been discussing moving eb3 most retrogressed folks if eb2 gets current. Spillovers from eb2 must benefit benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis. This will be fair.
Hang in there guys. We need to have patience and persistence. We will together get a passed hr3012 and faster movement of dates for most backlogged folks who are victims of the unfair system that discriminates on country of birth.

snthampi
02-21-2012, 03:02 PM
I 'm quite new here and it can be easily guessed by the number of posts , but at the same time it does not mean that I may be not talking sense

I do see that few people are respected here for there valuable advise and also the efforts put behind IV , and i do appreciate that , and I 'm getting into doing action items and contributing by setting Paypal after learning about IV

Well I'll stop by rambling and come straight to the point
Why is EB3 always in if Loop , what i mean to say is if EB2 becomes current then it will be worked on to get Spillovers from eb2 to benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis (which is clearly EB3 -I as it most retrogressed)
but why question is what if it does not ,with EB2 moving fast with so many applications being filed ,there can be probability of otherwise too , do we have any back up plan to address most backlogged category on its own ?

I 'm not trying to bring down the hopes or its a question optimistic and pessimistic , but trying to pen down my thoughts , as i do not see EB3 being much discussed or addressed , and situation and plight is dependent on some many factors like transformer with wires gauged

Why can't we have a simple solution like capture the unused quote or what ever its called , or percentage of spillover to be flown to most backlogged category , that could have speculated less opposition i guess , and atleast no one could have tried to piggy bank on it :rolleyes:

I second that.

thomachan72
02-21-2012, 03:17 PM
I 'm quite new here and it can be easily guessed by the number of posts , but at the same time it does not mean that I may be not talking sense

I do see that few people are respected here for there valuable advise and also the efforts put behind IV , and i do appreciate that , and I 'm getting into doing action items and contributing by setting Paypal after learning about IV

Well I'll stop by rambling and come straight to the point
Why is EB3 always in if Loop , what i mean to say is if EB2 becomes current then it will be worked on to get Spillovers from eb2 to benefit folks in eb3 on first in first out basis (which is clearly EB3 -I as it most retrogressed)
but why question is what if it does not ,with EB2 moving fast with so many applications being filed ,there can be probability of otherwise too , do we have any back up plan to address most backlogged category on its own ?

I 'm not trying to bring down the hopes or its a question optimistic and pessimistic , but trying to pen down my thoughts , as i do not see EB3 being much discussed or addressed , and situation and plight is dependent on some many factors like transformer with wires gauged

Why can't we have a simple solution like capture the unused quote or what ever its called , or percentage of spillover to be flown to most backlogged category , that could have speculated less opposition i guess , and atleast no one could have tried to piggy bank on it :rolleyes:
You would have noticed by now that many of the moderators/leaders themselves are EB3. We all realize the mess EB3 is in. Cannot blame the system for all of it. For many EB3 folks its either unluck with being unable to file in the EB3 catagory since the job requirement is defined that way or simply because their sponsors dont want to go through the additional scrutiny. Now given the current economic situation there is "no way" that any bill with recapture provisions will pass. You also would have realized the senator who has currently blocked our bill (3012) is suggesting that EB3 catagory immigration be eliminated completely. If there was a way IV could have tackled EB3 seperately it would have already been the topmost on the agenda, have no doubts about that. Infact IV has suggested that spillover allocations be made to most retrogressed as soon as EB2 becomes current. To be honest there is only two ways out for EB3. #1 is porting to EB2 and #2 is passage of HR3012.