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bhoova
01-23-2012, 04:55 PM
U.S. Senate Periodical Press Gallery (http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/)

H.R. 3012 (Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011).
The bills were read for a second time. Further readings were objected to and the bills were placed on the calendar.

WetHead
01-23-2012, 05:02 PM
This is good to see Bhuva. Thank you for posting the link

acepb
01-23-2012, 05:08 PM
What does it mean for it to be placed on the Senate calendar again? Was it mentioned when? Also did Senator Reid mention the possibility of the cloture vote?

pkamthekar
01-23-2012, 05:09 PM
Bhuva,
Thats good to know, hopefully we will know when the voting happens by the end of this week.
Fingers crossed.

Suva
01-23-2012, 05:21 PM
Where is the new development? This happened on Dec 17, 2011. I don't see anything new here.

arung
01-23-2012, 05:25 PM
I don't see any update, looks like old data. Is that link correct?

acepb
01-23-2012, 05:25 PM
U.S. Senate - C-SPAN Video Library (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/601179386)

The Alchemist
01-23-2012, 05:26 PM
Senate Floor Proceedings (http://gov.mtopgroup.com/ref/art1/senate-live.htm)

H.R. 3012 (Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011). > The bills were read for a second time. Further readings were objected to and the bills were placed on the calendar

Suva
01-23-2012, 05:40 PM
I have the same question.

Where are you sourcing this information from?

digital2k
01-23-2012, 05:52 PM
Together we can and will succeed...
Now is the time to contribue for your own cause

oops1975
01-23-2012, 05:59 PM
Senate Floor Proceedings (http://gov.mtopgroup.com/ref/art1/senate-live.htm?allday)

shib00
01-23-2012, 06:09 PM
First paragraph
U.S. Senate Periodical Press Gallery (http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/)

oops1975
01-23-2012, 06:49 PM
until tomorrow 10 AM

acepb
01-23-2012, 07:10 PM
Senate Floor Schedule for Tuesday, January 24, 2012 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/23/senate-floor-schedule-for-tuesday-january-24-2012/)

gk_2000
01-23-2012, 07:33 PM
First paragraph
U.S. Senate Periodical Press Gallery (http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/)

isn't this showing the date Jan 17 for you? It does for me..

Anyway, this link

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Monday, January 23, 2012 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/23/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-monday-january-23-2012/)

says:
Completed the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011


Now, if someone could explain what it means??

starscream
01-23-2012, 07:50 PM
As per my understanding....

Rule XIV is used to bypass commitee and put the bill on the Senate Calendar (i.edirectly for a floor vote) . Rule 14 was initiated for HR 3012 on Dec 17 , 2011 (search online for Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 its in there ) . As per rule XIV bill is read first time someone objects to first reading (this happened on dec 17) , it is read second time on next legislative day (which was today) and again some one objects to second reading (which happened today ) and hence instead of going to commitee as normally happens it is placed on Senate Calendar and hence it is sayin Rule 14 was completed for the bill - next it wil go for Senate floor vote ..I do not know how or when

isn't this showing the date Jan 17 for you? It does for me..

Anyway, this link

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Monday, January 23, 2012 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/23/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-monday-january-23-2012/)

says:
Completed the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011


Now, if someone could explain what it means??

Murthy
01-23-2012, 08:24 PM
Please look here
Senate Floor Wrap Up for Monday, January 23, 2012 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/23/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-monday-january-23-2012/)

You will see "Completed the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011" under LEGISLATIVE ITEMS

I have the same question.

PERM12
01-23-2012, 08:29 PM
Now we wait for Motion to Cloture

Support 3012 in 2012!!!

sharmagaurav
01-23-2012, 08:45 PM
In the past Rule XIV was used for different bills.
For Example:

This rule was used for "S. 1718: Hurricane Katrina Employment and Training Assistance Act" and this bill never became law.

S. 1718 [109th]: Hurricane Katrina Employment and Training Assistance Act (GovTrack.us) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-1718)


Same rule was used for bill S. 397 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act and this bill became law.

Bill Summary & Status - 109th Congress (2005 - 2006) - S.397 - All Information - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00397:@@@L&summ2=m&)

floridasun
01-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Now we wait for Motion to Cloture

Support 3012 in 2012!!!


Support 3012 in 2012 in 112 congress :D

shouldIwait
01-23-2012, 08:57 PM
In the past Rule XIV was used for different bills.
For Example:

This rule was used for "S. 1718: Hurricane Katrina Employment and Training Assistance Act" and this bill never became law.

S. 1718 [109th]: Hurricane Katrina Employment and Training Assistance Act (GovTrack.us) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-1718)


Same rule was used for bill S. 397 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act and this bill became law.

Bill Summary & Status - 109th Congress (2005 - 2006) - S.397 - All Information - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00397:@@@L&summ2=m&)

And which of these passed with 95% vote in House ?

gk_2000
01-23-2012, 09:07 PM
As per my understanding....

Rule XIV is used to bypass commitee and put the bill on the Senate Calendar (i.edirectly for a floor vote) . Rule 14 was initiated for HR 3012 on Dec 17 , 2011 (search online for Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 its in there ) . As per rule XIV bill is read first time someone objects to first reading (this happened on dec 17) , it is read second time on next legislative day (which was today) and again some one objects to second reading (which happened today ) and hence instead of going to commitee as normally happens it is placed on Senate Calendar and hence it is sayin Rule 14 was completed for the bill - next it wil go for Senate floor vote ..I do not know how or when

Thanks! Now I get it (dimbulb I am).. The ball is nudged closer to the hole, from where it can be hit!

floridasun
01-23-2012, 09:29 PM
And which of these passed with 95% vote in House ?

Haha good one :D

krupa
01-23-2012, 10:04 PM
Please Read at :

http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf

Senate Rule XIV, para. 4, states: “... and every bill and joint resolution introduced
on leave, and every bill and joint resolution of the House of Representatives which shall
have received a first and second reading without being referred to a committee, shall, if
objection be made to further proceeding thereon, be placed on the Calendar.”

Therefore, through objection, a bill or joint resolution after two readings is prevented
from being referred to committee and is placed directly on the Calendar. It is usually the
majority leader, or his designee, acting on his own or at the request of any other Senator,
who objects to “further proceeding” — committee referral — on the measure.

Most bills and joint resolutions introduced in the Senate, and many Housenumbered
bills and joint resolutions received by the Senate after House passage, are
referred to committee. Some provisions of Senate Rule XIV and some unanimous
consent requests, however, allow the Senate to completely or partially bypass a
measure’s potential consideration by a Senate committee.

Senate Rule XIV, para. 2 requires that bills and resolutions have three readings
before passage, and that they be read twice before being referred to committee. Although
a Senator may demand that the readings occur on three different legislative days under
paragraph 2, bills and joint resolutions may be read twice on the same day “for reference”
(referral) if there is no objection (Rule XIV, para. 3). Most bills and resolutions are read
twice (understood in practice to occur by unanimous consent) and referred to committee
on the same day that they are introduced by a Senator or received from the House.

DesiGuy
01-24-2012, 05:20 AM
If I am reading/interpreting properly, this mean today morning. Right?

" When objection is heard to the second reading of a bill or joint
resolution, that measure is then laid before the Senate during morning
business of the next legislative day for the second reading. (Rule XIV,
Paragraph 2.)"

Senate Calendar for January 24, 2012 - 112th Congress, 2nd Session-RESOLUTIONS AND MOTIONS OVER, UNDER THE RULE (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24/html/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24-pt7.htm)

[Senate Calendar for January 24, 2012 - 112th Congress, 2nd Session]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]

mechanical13
01-24-2012, 07:34 AM
You may be right buddy.

It would be interesting to see how HR 3012 shapes in the senate.

I am surprised that IV core has been relatively silent these past few weeks. I am guessing this is because they are all very busy with advocacy/lobbying.

gc_check
01-24-2012, 09:55 AM
You may be right buddy.

It would be interesting to see how HR 3012 shapes in the senate.

I am surprised that IV core has been relatively silent these past few weeks. I am guessing this is because they are all very busy with advocacy/lobbying.

Sometimes being "Silent" might be the right strategy IV Core is taking. I am sure the IV Core is more committed like the most members of this group to get this moving. They take the extra step in working / acting on this. They might be busy & not possible to post update or may be not appropriate share all updates in open forum. With the limited resource, they have done a lot and will surely succeed in this enormous task. A little patience and if not volunteer, doing the Action Items might help them do a lot.

dkshitij
01-24-2012, 10:08 AM
If a vote is scheduled, it will be posted out in the open for everyone to know. As there is no announcement of a vote, nothing is happening on HR 3012 front. It will stay on the calendar for quite sometime till a cloture is ordered (again this will be out in the open) or Sen. G removes his hold.

So lets buckle down, spread the word, continue to write to the Senators.

memyselfandus
01-24-2012, 10:11 AM
Order number 293 on the list...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24-pt6.pdf

Future/new items can be searched using the below link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/search.action?na=&se=&sm=&flr=&ercode=&dateBrowse=&collection=&historical=false&st=H.R.+3012&psh=&sbh=dno&tfh=&originalSearch=H.R.+3012&sb=dno&ps=10&sb=dno&ps=10

digital2k
01-24-2012, 01:27 PM
Come on people i request You continue push for 3012 right now
even though if you are current or if you have already received EAD/GC etc...
Lets have continue All Action Items with more efforts
Community need to stand for Community for a cause above personal interests. Action item: HR 3012: Week of 01/16/2012 - Immigration Voice (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2586064)

mastmunda
01-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Send email to Senators and other media

GCTorture
01-24-2012, 04:42 PM
Order number 293 on the list...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-24-pt6.pdf

Future/new items can be searched using the below link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/search.action?na=&se=&sm=&flr=&ercode=&dateBrowse=&collection=&historical=false&st=H.R.+3012&psh=&sbh=dno&tfh=&originalSearch=H.R.+3012&sb=dno&ps=10&sb=dno&ps=10

there are some bills read second time way back in Sep 11 and placed on Calendar. By that logic, HR3012 is read second time on 1/23 and placed on calendar. In the absence of IV Core team not saying anything about - when it would come to floor - I cannot help myself becoming impatient. Doing my AI though!! I hope they say something, at least a mail from Amit.

navkap
01-24-2012, 04:59 PM
Silence is Golden--
Lets continue on Action Items

praskar
01-24-2012, 05:05 PM
I'm strangely excited!

gk_2000
01-24-2012, 05:08 PM
Grassley hai hai
Grassley murdabad!

honeylime
01-24-2012, 05:10 PM
Immigrant Stories: How did you come to US? | Immigration News Recap (http://immigrantstories.tumblr.com/post/16423536323/immigration-news-recap)

digital2k
01-24-2012, 05:29 PM
No update means a lot is going on
Focus on all action items and contribute now
We're responsible for our success

pkamthekar
01-24-2012, 05:30 PM
I understand IV Core is working behind the scenes, but its getting really frustrating to not know anything that is happening.

We are doing action items and asking others to do them as well but knowing something substantial will boost our efforts manifold.

Should we be excited ???

GCTorture
01-25-2012, 07:36 AM
No update means a lot is going on
Focus on all action items and contribute now
We're responsible for our success

digital2k, your 'copy/paste' or 'automated responses' are annoying. Please let IV Core speak. Pappu's message is quite old. After second reading and placed on calendar, there is no message from Core team. Given the situation, its quite natural for a person waiting so long, to ask for a response. I trust heavy lobbying is going on, but I cannot believe they don't have a moment to drop a line. While I put my total trust in IV, I also expect they say something which would save me reading various sources. I (we? anybody??) just want to know if there is a way to know when this would come to floor for voting or is it like there is no way, but we have to wait and just pray, as it is a political process???

green_mile
01-25-2012, 08:12 AM
digital2k, your 'copy/paste' or 'automated responses' are annoying. Please let IV Core speak. Pappu's message is quite old. After second reading and placed on calendar, there is no message from Core team. Given the situation, its quite natural for a person waiting so long, to ask for a response. I trust heavy lobbying is going on, but I cannot believe they don't have a moment to drop a line. While I put my total trust in IV, I also expect they say something which would save me reading various sources. I (we? anybody??) just want to know if there is a way to know when this would come to floor for voting or is it like there is no way, but we have to wait and just pray, as it is a political process???

Yes it is true it is frustrating , this whole GC process since I started is frustrating to core.
Whom do we blame?

I too feel IV core should atleast come out and motivate members with some posts atleast.
I am sure they might be husy as hell in advocacy, but still there is a need to elevate the morale in the members.


By the way sir, Can I request you to update your profile with , priority date,country of chargiability etc.

GCTorture
01-25-2012, 08:43 AM
By the way sir, Can I request you to update your profile with , priority date,country of chargiability etc.

Done. Thanks.

MIK18
01-25-2012, 08:47 AM
I Second that sir.I know nothing happens overnight but it would be good for us to know if there is some way to know when the voting for the bill will take place or is it like any other political process where the only way to know is just keep waiting with fingers crossed.

I have nothing but trust and respect for IV as I know they are totally committed and working behind the scenes on this but some one liner update would do us all good.

pappu
01-25-2012, 08:55 AM
Guys we are all working very hard on the bill. We want the bill passed immediately as anyone else here. Details of discussion cannot be posted so please have faith. The interest of bill getting passed far more outweigh satisfying curiosity and providing updates. We cannot give any clue to the opposition of the bill of our work. Hope you will understand and appreacite this in the larger interest of this community.
If anyone has not contributed after the bill passed the house, please do so iurgently. Your contribution will go a long way in helping advocate our issues to move the bill forward in the senate.

swats78
01-25-2012, 12:05 PM
Contributed $200. Paypal Transaction ID: 9LM080867U9565351

This is the Least I can do. Please Keep up the Great job, IV!!!

niklshah
01-25-2012, 12:25 PM
digital2k, your 'copy/paste' or 'automated responses' are annoying. Please let IV Core speak. Pappu's message is quite old. After second reading and placed on calendar, there is no message from Core team. Given the situation, its quite natural for a person waiting so long, to ask for a response. I trust heavy lobbying is going on, but I cannot believe they don't have a moment to drop a line. While I put my total trust in IV, I also expect they say something which would save me reading various sources. I (we? anybody??) just want to know if there is a way to know when this would come to floor for voting or is it like there is no way, but we have to wait and just pray, as it is a political process???


ok torture,

now you got response from pappu, now contribute and spread the words if you have done it yet..

and before you jump on me i have done my parts...

Amman
01-25-2012, 12:59 PM
Saw this one of the websites. Not sure what Calendar 293 means....regardless lets focus on AI

=========
Senate Out of Session Today - H.R. 3012 Supporters Anxiously Awaiting Taking Up of Calendar 293 Bill on the Floor

The H.R. 3012 is on the Senate Calendar 293 which has to be taken up on the Senate floor with Motion to Proceed/Motion to Cloture to see the light at the end of tunnel for the supporters of this bill.

navkap
01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
This text is coming from
Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - H.R.3012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.3012:)

Latest Major Action: 1/23/2012 Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 293.

Calendar 293 of 112th Congress

StarSun
01-25-2012, 02:31 PM
For people who are getting frustrated on the sidelines not knowing what to do - there is an easy solution.

Your interest is to get the bill passed, be actively involved in spreading the word on HR 3012 - reach out to every friend you have in every state and request them to send an email to their senators. Request them for contributions.

Instead of fretting about the fate of the bill, be an integral part of the bill's success!

avis
01-25-2012, 04:19 PM
isn't this showing the date Jan 17 for you? It does for me..

Anyway, this link

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Monday, January 23, 2012 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/23/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-monday-january-23-2012/)

says:
Completed the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011


Now, if someone could explain what it means??

This means, the bill bypassed the committee and placed on the Senate calendar. It had better chance in a full senate than in some small committee.

gk_2000
01-25-2012, 04:31 PM
Guys, is there going to be a third reading after this?

BTW I have renewed my contributions from this month ..
Announcing regularly on my facebook so people can wake up and take notice ..

johndoeme1
01-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Hi Avis,

do you mean "HAS" a better chance? Was that a typo?

Or are you saying that it HAD a better chance before than now, because it is in front of the whole senate?

Not trying to point out any mistake - just trying to understand the fact.

Thanks!

starscream
01-25-2012, 04:45 PM
From what I read online about Senate rules I think "third" reading is the actual vote on the floor - not clear if this is done as it is being voted on or just before the vote or just after the vote has taken place.

The first two readings are done before submission to comittee or with objections (using Rule XIV) before placing on Senate Calendar

Guys, is there going to be a third reading after this?

BTW I have renewed my contributions from this month ..
Announcing regularly on my facebook so people can wake up and take notice ..

GCTorture
01-25-2012, 05:11 PM
ok torture,

now you got response from pappu, now contribute and spread the words if you have done it yet..

and before you jump on me i have done my parts...

Contributed. Made friends to contribute. Spreading the word and doing AI. Yes, Pappu replied, saw it. Nothing new in there.....

ananth
01-25-2012, 07:18 PM
GCTorture,

I 'm going thru the same as you are.

What I understand from all this is, passing a bill is a hell lot of work. Hundreds of bills hangin in there. Even Obama finding it hard to get some of his approved thru both the houses.

The resson why we are going thru this stress is that,
1. the Looooooong wait
2. Seemed easy approval in the house with unexpected mejority, this increased our expectation
3. Not educated enough of the full complexity of the whole process
4. All of IV members took this into their heart and worked on the only hope, so delay kinda kill us

here is my take. I waited for 12 years, still on H1. many of my friends are now eligible for citizenship. anyways....can't blame anyone for my situation.

There is only one hope for me, that's IV.
There is only one thing for me to do, that is to support them (IV)

It may take few more days, weeks or even months.....so what? We waited for years already....
Goal is more important than anything else. Lets support our team who is fighting in the frontline. Soon the day is going to come, to celebrate all of our hard work. Thank you for everyone for standing together.

trap
01-25-2012, 07:34 PM
GCTorture,

I 'm going thru the same as you are.

What I understand from all this is, passing a bill is a hell lot of work. Hundreds of bills hangin in there. Even Obama finding it hard to get some of his approved thru both the houses.

The resson why we are going thru this stress is that,
1. the Looooooong wait
2. Seemed easy approval in the house with unexpected mejority, this increased our expectation
3. Not educated enough of the full complexity of the whole process
4. All of IV members took this into their heart and worked on the only hope, so delay kinda kill us

here is my take. I waited for 12 years, still on H1. many of my friends are now eligible for citizenship. anyways....can't blame anyone for my situation.

There is only one hope for me, that's IV.
There is only one thing for me to do, that is to support them (IV)

It may take few more days, weeks or even months.....so what? We waited for years already....
Goal is more important than anything else. Lets support our team who is fighting in the frontline. Soon the day is going to come, to celebrate all of our hard work. Thank you for everyone for standing together.

I am on the same boat. I totally agree with you.

nosightofgc
01-25-2012, 08:25 PM
Guys,

Please do not ask for updates on a regular basis. I also asked for the updates in the past, but I realized how the opposition can take the messages and work against us. It is very important for the work to continue and let the leaders work for us. We simply the follow the action items.


Contributed. Made friends to contribute. Spreading the word and doing AI. Yes, Pappu replied, saw it. Nothing new in there.....

bpratap
01-25-2012, 10:04 PM
I am on the same boat. I totally agree with you.

Anand & Trap,

Many of us are in the same boat as you. Please be assured that Team IV is really working behind this real hard. Many of us doesn't even know how & when the bill started shaping up. I was fortunate to meet Amman Kapoor other day and to know a gist of how much effort was going behind to get this bill passed.

Its a Government process, it doesn't necessarily move in the pace as we would like to. Please be patient in the interest of getting the bill passed.

While IV Core is working hard behind it, let us support the effort by doing our action Items. Our daily action Items REALLY DOES matter for the bill to get passed in Senate.

floridasun
01-25-2012, 10:33 PM
ananth, for a minute I thought this was my post. you wrote exactly the same thoughts going in my mind. even I waited loooong 12 years - cant take crap at work anymore. running out of words to describe this unfair immigration system which is full of discrimination. whats making me mad the most is these politicians reading this routine script that they passionately support legal immigrants and USA needs to retain bright minds blah blah blah blah blah.... enough already - please do some action rather than speak plain old script. During my time in this great country, I have seen numerous presidents come and go - bill clinton, bush, bush, obama... God knows how many more presidents I will see before I get that magical and illusionary GC :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

sorry for the rant but I just feel helpless and depressed.

GCTorture,

I 'm going thru the same as you are.

What I understand from all this is, passing a bill is a hell lot of work. Hundreds of bills hangin in there. Even Obama finding it hard to get some of his approved thru both the houses.

The resson why we are going thru this stress is that,
1. the Looooooong wait
2. Seemed easy approval in the house with unexpected mejority, this increased our expectation
3. Not educated enough of the full complexity of the whole process
4. All of IV members took this into their heart and worked on the only hope, so delay kinda kill us

here is my take. I waited for 12 years, still on H1. many of my friends are now eligible for citizenship. anyways....can't blame anyone for my situation.

There is only one hope for me, that's IV.
There is only one thing for me to do, that is to support them (IV)

It may take few more days, weeks or even months.....so what? We waited for years already....
Goal is more important than anything else. Lets support our team who is fighting in the frontline. Soon the day is going to come, to celebrate all of our hard work. Thank you for everyone for standing together.

DallasBlue
01-26-2012, 12:48 AM
from this:

H.R. 5921 [110th]: High Skilled Per Country Level Elimination Act (GovTrack.us) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5921)

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum14-members-forum/18773-update-bipartisan-bill-hr-5882-introduced-to-recapture-eb-visa-numbers.html

to this:
The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators - GOP.gov
The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators - GOP.gov (http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs/tracker)


Status: Awaiting Senate Action

indeed a giant leap

How about this:

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/6191-urgent-action-item-send-flowers-campaign.html#post102747

keep your spirits up

pak
01-26-2012, 09:57 AM
Good job by Wipro! India Inc to Obama: We are creating jobs in US, Europe - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/India-Inc-to-Obama-We-are-creating-jobs-in-US-Europe/articleshow/11641466.cms)
They lobbied for HR3012 in 2011.
Lobbying Spending Database-Wipro Technologies, 2011 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientbills.php?id=F11835&year=2011)

We need more donations to support our grass root efforts. If you already did so than please reach out to your families and friends.

StarSun
01-26-2012, 10:40 AM
GCTorture,

I 'm going thru the same as you are.

What I understand from all this is, passing a bill is a hell lot of work. Hundreds of bills hangin in there. Even Obama finding it hard to get some of his approved thru both the houses.

The resson why we are going thru this stress is that,
1. the Looooooong wait
2. Seemed easy approval in the house with unexpected mejority, this increased our expectation
3. Not educated enough of the full complexity of the whole process
4. All of IV members took this into their heart and worked on the only hope, so delay kinda kill us

here is my take. I waited for 12 years, still on H1. many of my friends are now eligible for citizenship. anyways....can't blame anyone for my situation.

There is only one hope for me, that's IV.
There is only one thing for me to do, that is to support them (IV)

It may take few more days, weeks or even months.....so what? We waited for years already....
Goal is more important than anything else. Lets support our team who is fighting in the frontline. Soon the day is going to come, to celebrate all of our hard work. Thank you for everyone for standing together.

It seemed easy, because members were not aware of the day to day up and downs before the House vote! All members saw/heard about the bill was when it came up for a vote and the passage.....

Thank you for your support and faith in IV. Please follow through with all the action items, encouraging your friends to reach out to their senators in every state; seek contributions for HR 3012. Follow IV on facebook

neel_gump
01-26-2012, 10:57 AM
How about this:

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/6191-urgent-action-item-send-flowers-campaign.html#post102747

keep your spirits up

Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!

ananth
01-26-2012, 10:59 AM
floridasun,

Understanding ur point.
Politicians deliver such talks and its part of their job, particularly during election year.
They are focusing on what they want, And
so Are WE :)

WHAT COME MAY, NEVER GIVE UP
IF NOT SEEING LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, KEEP MARCHING FORWARD......STANDING WHERE WE ARE, ITS DARK. NOT HELPING.
cheers...!!!

swarnapuri
01-26-2012, 11:22 AM
Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!

I second it! Lets see what the IV core think about this idea!

pak
01-26-2012, 11:33 AM
Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!

Somebody should create a poll to find out all members' take on flowers to Sen. Reid.

Donate to IV, ask your friends, families, co-workers, students and whoever you can influence to.

p7810456
01-26-2012, 11:35 AM
$100.00
Your receipt number for this payment is: 3496-3051-6101-6702.

Go IV, GO!!

hkashyap
01-26-2012, 11:44 AM
I second it! Lets see what the IV core think about this idea!

What would be the purpose of such a campaign? What would we be trying to accomplish by sending flowers to Senator Reid? It seems pretty silly. I am really scratching my head to figure out what it will ultimately do.

neel_gump
01-26-2012, 12:00 PM
What would be the purpose of such a campaign? What would we be trying to accomplish by sending flowers to Senator Reid? It seems pretty silly. I am really scratching my head to figure out what it will ultimately do.

I don't know whether you are part of that July 2007 Flower campaign. Anyways, Senator Reid is the one that decides whether HR 3012 to be taken up on the Senate floor with Motion to Proceed/Motion to Cloture. He is the only one that can show us light at the end of tunnel.

Also, can you update your profile?

thomachan72
01-26-2012, 12:07 PM
Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!
Looks like the best efforts that we could be doing is already being done. All we have to do now is to get more folks into sending emails and try to contribute more. Not discounting the idea of a flower campaign but it might be better not to rush into anything without a proper guidance/request from IV.

Suva
01-26-2012, 12:10 PM
I agree with you.

Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!

desigirl
01-26-2012, 12:39 PM
How is sending flowers to Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid going to help?

shining
01-26-2012, 12:58 PM
Agree-this may be counterproductive and can go negative-
on the other side -Lets check senate.gov tomorrow --as today doubt if hr3012 would be taken up--

Senate Calendar for January 26, 2012 - 112th Congress, 2nd Session-Cover and Special Orders (http://www.gpo.gov:80/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-26/html/CCAL-112scal-2012-01-26-pt0.htm)

GCTorture
01-26-2012, 01:18 PM
I don't know whether you are part of that July 2007 Flower campaign. Anyways, Senator Reid is the one that decides whether HR 3012 to be taken up on the Senate floor with Motion to Proceed/Motion to Cloture. He is the only one that can show us light at the end of tunnel.


If it worked in 2007, I am UP for Flower Campaign one more time....let's go.

Rb_newsletter
01-26-2012, 02:39 PM
Flower Campaign to "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid" makes sense. I am up for it!!

Please donate the flower money to IV.

Sending flowers may create a scene but advocacy will help to pass a law.

krupa
01-26-2012, 02:56 PM
A Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day of the following month if it is moved duly signed by at least 16 senators. A motion to cloture stop debating at the floor of the house and will be taken up for voting.

Pro HR 3012 senators have to get required signatures and to see the possibility that all the pro senators are available on voting day.

When it is read out second time on Monday , it looks like senators are having intension to follow the above statutory procedure and the thing done positively ASAP


If it worked in 2007, I am UP for Flower Campaign one more time....let's go.

starscream
01-26-2012, 03:09 PM
Please listthe source for this - Thanks

"A Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day of the following month "

A Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day of the following month if it is moved duly signed by at least 16 senators. A motion to cloture stop debating at the floor of the house and will be taken up for voting.

Pro HR 3012 senators have to get required signatures and to see the possibility that all the pro senators are available on voting day.

When it is read out second time on Monday , it looks like senators are having intension to follow the above statutory procedure and the thing done positively ASAP

dhakaldoo
01-26-2012, 03:18 PM
A Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day of the following month if it is moved duly signed by at least 16 senators. A motion to cloture stop debating at the floor of the house and will be taken up for voting.

Pro HR 3012 senators have to get required signatures and to see the possibility that all the pro senators are available on voting day.

When it is read out second time on Monday , it looks like senators are having intension to follow the above statutory procedure and the thing done positively ASAP


First of all, for motion to get considered, it has to be presented in the senate which is not yet done. I think heavy lobbying must be going on behind the scene to put together that cloture and get 16 senators to sign it. I hope its done soon for the sake of our community and everybody's peace of mind!
meanwhile keep doing the AI!

dhakaldoo
01-26-2012, 03:35 PM
Hence need for all action items by everyone URGENT ...
Lobbying is time consuming and needs resources, efforts, contributions ...

I dont mean to be rude but...
digital2k, we get it. We are doing the AIs. as other members mentioned earlier You dont have to post that message every now and then. It is kind of annoying as it suggests that we are not doing AIs and just asking for updates.

krupa
01-26-2012, 03:46 PM
It is my mistake in reading the document correctly:
It should be read as " Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day in stead of “ Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day the following month “
This means If Motion to Cloture introduced on Monday it will come up for voting on Wednesday.


A Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day of the following month if it is moved duly signed by at least 16 senators. A motion to cloture stop debating at the floor of the house and will be taken up for voting.

Pro HR 3012 senators have to get required signatures and to see the possibility that all the pro senators are available on voting day.

When it is read out second time on Monday , it looks like senators are having intension to follow the above statutory procedure and the thing done positively ASAP

swats78
01-26-2012, 03:47 PM
01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has thus far been presented on the floor.

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This is what I see on a web site. Anyone has any idea what this means?

krupa
01-26-2012, 03:49 PM
Source:

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-425.pdf

It is my mistake in reading the document correctly:
It should be read as " Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day " in stead of “ Motion to Cloture will be taken up for voting only on 2nd calendar day the following month “

This means if Motion to Cloture introduced on Monday it will come up for voting on Wednesday.

gsudheer17
01-26-2012, 04:10 PM
<<
01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has thus far been presented on the floor. >>
I am not getting anything from the above message. What are they trying to say....

Amman
01-26-2012, 04:13 PM
it looks like something is happening now...can IV core comment anything ?

starscream
01-26-2012, 04:19 PM
I believe this post is from Oh Immigration Law firm..They not trying to say anything they are just trying to get more publicity by tying up various things - without any relation ..usually this lawyer wil try to tie up anything to HR 3012 that anythign will be Irish provisions, White House appointments, other immi bills, etc etc

The same attorney was wondering how House wil pick up bill after it passed commitee then whether it wil have democratic support in house then whether it wil pass the house then whether it will go forward in the Senate etc etc..

He usually writes a para or so combining info from public sources (which everyone knows) and in some cases posts a link to that article and usually end with saying stay tuned ....as if its some kind of live action ..ignore the posts from this website
<<
01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has thus far been presented on the floor. >>
I am not getting anything from the above message. What are they trying to say....

h1techSlave
01-26-2012, 04:36 PM
The message regarding HR3012 says "Please stay tuned to this website.". That says a lot.

shining
01-26-2012, 04:39 PM
Yeah not sure what he is trying to say --several times, i have seen this guy copying from IV site and putting up a message there-

Amman
01-26-2012, 04:41 PM
Part of his message is here, don't know where rest came from ?

U.S. Senate Periodical Press Gallery (http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/)

shining
01-26-2012, 04:48 PM
Also live coverage is at U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Floor Webcast (http://www.senate.gov/floor/index.htm)

starscream
01-26-2012, 04:48 PM
PEOPLE PLEASE IGNORE POSTS FROM THIS WEBSITE. He always uses "stay tunned" to end his posts - if you search you will find many of "stay tuned" on this website posts.


"Stay Tuned" does not mean he is watching some live proceding or doing lobbying..

As I have said in my earlier posts he gets info from various public sources in this case it is from senate.gov as member below has mentioned and fills in the blanks with his own sentence or so about apparent things .....in this case that cloture has not been fiiled for HR 3012 ..everyone knows that cloture will not be filed in a day

Part of his message is here, don't know where rest came from ?

U.S. Senate Periodical Press Gallery (http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/)

shining
01-26-2012, 04:55 PM
Senate stands adjourned for the day until January 30. 2012 2:00 PM ET

All the best folks!!! Stay tuned . . .

Amman
01-26-2012, 05:02 PM
oh well, another disappointing day....what's new !

praskar
01-26-2012, 06:22 PM
Guys, patience!! Nobody said it was easy....!

pappu
01-26-2012, 06:32 PM
Hence need for all action items by everyone URGENT ...
Lobbying is time consuming and needs resources, efforts, contributions ...
PLease do not post multiple messages on IV forums to bump threads that are already at the top. As explained earlier your initiative is best used if you post n other forums to raise awareness. Most people on IV forums are already aware and such active threads do not really need a nudge. Hope you understand and help us in raising awareness on other immigration forums.

pappu
01-26-2012, 06:39 PM
Guys, patience!! Nobody said it was easy....!

This is very true and the best update than any other website. Others do not waste time and copy paste irrelevant information that is not even any update. It simply does what that update was intended for --- increase publicity and business because some users will copy paste.

Guys please be patient and wait for instructions. Follow action Items. Contribute of yu have not done so this month. A lot of advocacy work is happening and every penny counts so that we can reach more offices and do better quality advocacy work.

SRVRJR
01-26-2012, 11:03 PM
Let us all pray and hope for the best.

bibliophile2020
01-26-2012, 11:51 PM
Am I the only one that contributed to IV this month? If the bar on the top of the site is true, it's probably true. Unbelievable! If every one contributes we can run a presidential campaign.

srigud
01-27-2012, 12:35 AM
That can not be true. There are many people making monthly contributions,including me.

SRVRJR
01-27-2012, 08:50 AM
Contributed USD100 yesterday.

padmaforopt
01-27-2012, 10:06 AM
Am I the only one that contributed to IV this month? If the bar on the top of the site is true, it's probably true. Unbelievable! If every one contributes we can run a presidential campaign.

That may indicate only New subscriptions of month. I am also doing monthly contribution.

new_horizon
01-27-2012, 10:16 AM
that bar shows only new monthly contributors. There are old donors that do not count in that. So for that bar to move, we need more new contributors. So people step up, and open your money bag as well.

And pls don't reveal details of the bill, even its progress on the open forum. There are people who don't do anything for the cause but just want updates. Your posting of tids and bits only salivates their appetites. It does nothing to advance our cause, but can sabotage our efforts. We don't also want to promote the lawyers websites by reposting their blogs/articles. They have ulterior motives for this bill not to pass although they want to portray themselves as being on the forefront of this effort.

I would advise that we listen only to IV core, and follow their instructions. Remember they are advised by experienced paid people.

sdeshpan
01-27-2012, 10:51 AM
But are new recurring donors being given access to the Donor forum at all? The last I remember was that was stopped in the wake of HR 3012.

thomachan72
01-27-2012, 11:07 AM
But are new recurring donors being given access to the Donor forum at all? The last I remember was that was stopped in the wake of HR 3012.
You are right. donor access has been halted just for this period. However, I would strongly suggest that if information reg 3012 is primarily what you are anxious about then donor forums might not have anything more than what pappu/others periodically update us. I am not staying in an ilusion that behind the donor forum wall lies all details about all activities that IV is currently engaging in. Even if it were true, I dont think I will get any peace by being aware of all the activities. :D:D

smuggymba
01-27-2012, 11:48 AM
You are right. donor access has been halted just for this period. However, I would strongly suggest that if information reg 3012 is primarily what you are anxious about then donor forums might not have anything more than what pappu/others periodically update us. I am not staying in an ilusion that behind the donor forum wall lies all details about all activities that IV is currently engaging in. Even if it were true, I dont think I will get any peace by being aware of all the activities. :D:D

I'm pissed off because I signed up for donor access before 3012. Not to mention that I have met the congressmen's staff with other donors and old members..still no access.

sdeshpan
01-27-2012, 01:15 PM
You are right. donor access has been halted just for this period. However, I would strongly suggest that if information reg 3012 is primarily what you are anxious about then donor forums might not have anything more than what pappu/others periodically update us. I am not staying in an ilusion that behind the donor forum wall lies all details about all activities that IV is currently engaging in. Even if it were true, I dont think I will get any peace by being aware of all the activities. :D:D

I agree and I don't really care about donor forums. Any periodic updates posted here are just fine, as long as progress is being made. The way things are and the pace they move at, the less info you have, the more you will be at peace! ;)

dts
01-27-2012, 04:38 PM
I agree and I don't really care about donor forums. Any periodic updates posted here are just fine, as long as progress is being made. The way things are and the pace they move at, the less info you have, the more you will be at peace! ;)

Yes. agree. At this moment less info and no news is good news. Just need to wait for Senate to take up for vote.

shining
01-28-2012, 09:11 PM
Successful Irish immigration meetings in Cleveland, Ohio | Irish News | IrishCentral (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Successful-Irish-immigration-meetings-in-Cleveland-Ohio-138262219.html)

Hope that 3012 passes stand alone as passing of 1857 will delay things as the bill will have to come back to house for reconciliation.

Cheers
Shining

shining
01-28-2012, 09:19 PM
Successful Irish immigration meetings in Cleveland, Ohio | Irish News | IrishCentral (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Successful-Irish-immigration-meetings-in-Cleveland-Ohio-138262219.html)

Hope that 3012 passes stand alone as passing of 1857 will delay things as the bill will have to come back to house for reconciliation.

Cheers
Shining

shining
01-28-2012, 09:28 PM
Successful Irish immigration meetings in Cleveland, Ohio | Irish News | IrishCentral (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Successful-Irish-immigration-meetings-in-Cleveland-Ohio-138262219.html)

Hope that 3012 passes stand alone as passing of 1857 will delay things as the bill will have to come back to house for reconciliation.

Cheers
Shining

krupa
01-30-2012, 02:07 PM
Source: Lobbying Spending Database H.R.3012, 2010 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399)

27 unique organization(s) has/have registered to lobby on this bill. Click on a client's name to view all the bills on which they reported lobbying. Click on the number of reports to view all the client's reports that mentioned this bill. Moving to the Sponsors tab (above) will show you the members of Congress who sponsored this legislation.

NOTE: Occasionally, a lobbying client may refer to a bill number from a previous Congress, either in error or because they are lobbying on a bill that has not yet been assigned a number

SRVRJR
01-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Any news on HR3012 bill please?

Ahimsa
01-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Please see this article, blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2012/01/30/florida-republicans-speak-out-on-immigration/?pending=1

I just posted this comment (pending approval):
Mr. Rubio, when you or Mr. Romney or any other politician say you are for "pro-legal immigration", please spell out how you want to address the greencard backlog that has put more than 300,000 legal applicant families in limbo many of them waiting for more than 10 years living already in USA. Please do not attack "illegal immigration" without providing relief to existing legal immigrants. When it comes to "legal immigration" anti-immigration groups try to confuse the issue with high unemployment rate. Unemployment rate should curtail future inflow not exisitng legal residents. Please distance yourself with such forces and show action on greencard backlog. If you cannot solve legal immigration greencard issues, how would you expect the illegal immigrants go back and apply for legal immigration? Do you think illegals will wait for 20 years from now to reenter USA? Please think on this line and get away from the bigotry of anti-immigration forces.

The WalL
01-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Source: Lobbying Spending Database H.R.3012, 2010 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399)

27 unique organization(s) has/have registered to lobby on this bill. Click on a client's name to view all the bills on which they reported lobbying. Click on the number of reports to view all the client's reports that mentioned this bill. Moving to the Sponsors tab (above) will show you the members of Congress who sponsored this legislation.

NOTE: Occasionally, a lobbying client may refer to a bill number from a previous Congress, either in error or because they are lobbying on a bill that has not yet been assigned a number

One critical note about this list: while those listed organizations are lobbying on this bill, there is no guarantee that they're all lobbying *FOR* the bill. Some of them could be lobbying *against* this bill. They're not all friends.

bibliophile2020
02-01-2012, 10:27 PM
Looks like we are not going to see any progress with HR 3012 untill the senate is done with S 2038. HR 3012 has been consistently ranked among top 10 bills in the Congress on the Library of Congress website.THOMAS Top Ten for 1/29/2012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/topten/topten_20120129.html) and the senate does not seems to care much about it. What a shame! I hope they realise the plight of thousands of highly qualified and skilled immigrants who are abiding all the laws and regulations of this country, sooner than later.

bibliophile2020
02-01-2012, 10:38 PM
Looks like we are not going to see any progress on HR 3012 in the senate untill the senate does something about S2038 - STOCK act. HR 3012 has been cosistently ranked among top 10 legislative issues on the Library of Congress websiteTHOMAS Top Ten for 1/29/2012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/topten/topten_20120129.html) and yet senate does not consider this bill important. What a shame! I hope members of the senate realise the problem with legal immigration sooner than later!

srikant9
02-02-2012, 11:23 AM
If E-3 bill is attached as amendment to HR 3012 and is passed in Senate, does this bill with amendment requires another voting process in House to pass in House? If this is the case, then it will delay the passage of the bill.

I wonder where was Senator Schumar when H.R. 3012 was presented in House and why he did not bring E-3 bill then.. I think it is dirty politics he is playing. I believe HR 3012 should "NOT" add any amendment to it as we have seen in House when it was debated the try to add amendments and most of them get rejected. This is just my opinion, I may be wrong.

Amman
02-02-2012, 11:36 AM
If E-3 bill is attached as amendment to HR 3012 and is passed in Senate, does this bill with amendment requires another voting process in House to pass in House? If this is the case, then it will delay the passage of the bill.

I wonder where was Senator Schumar when H.R. 3012 was presented in House and why he did not bring E-3 bill then.. I think it is dirty politics he is playing. I believe HR 3012 should "NOT" add any amendment to it as we have seen in House when it was debated the try to add amendments and most of them get rejected. This is just my opinion, I may be wrong.
Srikant,
No you're not wrong. You're absolutely correct. If senate version of hr-3012 passes with irish amendment it will need to go to house for voting where it may face issues because of undocumented irish provisions.

Poor Hr-3012..everyone wants piece of it..because it is beautiful & cute ;) i feel hr-3012 is been violated and torched between multiple groups...can we file a lawsuit against this violation ;)))

Suva
02-02-2012, 11:43 AM
Yes, if they are trying to add this undocumented amendment then this whole bill would die in House. In this case we would be back to original position.

Srikant,
No you're not wrong. You're absolutely correct. If senate version of hr-3012 passes with irish amendment it will need to go to house for voting where it may face issues because of undocumented irish provisions.

Poor Hr-3012..everyone wants piece of it..because it is beautiful & cute ;) i feel hr-3012 is been violated and torched between multiple groups...can we file a lawsuit against this violation ;)))

gumpena
02-02-2012, 11:48 AM
If the Senate passes a different version of H.R.3012 by adding E-3 visa provisions then it will go to Conference between Senate and House.

This means a delayed process..

PennId
02-02-2012, 11:50 AM
For sure HR-3012 will die in senate itself if not at house if E-3 is added because it just defeat the purpose of HR-3012 policy itself.

just_curios
02-02-2012, 11:55 AM
How about lets not demoralize this initiative when we are not so sure whats is happening out there??

srikant9
02-02-2012, 11:56 AM
Thanks for above responses to my query.

What is probability of presenting and passing H.R. 3012 without any Senate amendments to it by Senate? Do we have enough(60) Senate votes to pass this bill without Senate amendments?

pak
02-02-2012, 12:05 PM
Thanks for above responses to my query.

What is probability of presenting and passing H.R. 3012 without any Senate amendments to it by Senate? Do we have enough(60) Senate votes to pass this bill without Senate amendments?

Based on the Chi test conducted on data points, the null hypothesis is rejected and senate will pass HR 3012 with p value of 0.05.;)

srikant9
02-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Good one ....:)

shining
02-07-2012, 02:08 AM
Lets hope that Senate takes up 3012 tomorrow --there is no preset agenda for tomorrow--

http://www.gpo.gov:80/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-02-07/pdf/CCAL-112scal-2012-02-07.pdf

shining
02-07-2012, 02:21 AM
The Irish Emigrant (http://www.irishemigrant.com/ie/go.asp?p=story&storyID=10931)

If a solution to Grassley’s hold can be found, should the bill pass the Senate it will return to the House for final approval, but this is considered almost a fait accompli, given the majority with which HR3012 has already passed . . . .

Cheers
Shining

bibliophile2020
02-07-2012, 10:19 AM
Who knows they might take up Comprehensive Immigration Reform and we will have front row seats for the show! Bottom line is it seems we do not matter much for the politicians. We are not a vote bank, not a political force. Although we came several thousand miles from home "Vote bank" politics still haunt us.

rdoib
02-07-2012, 09:06 PM
Who knows they might take up Comprehensive Immigration Reform and we will have front row seats for the show! Bottom line is it seems we do not matter much for the politicians. We are not a vote bank, not a political force. Although we came several thousand miles from home "Vote bank" politics still haunt us.

We do make strong contributions with work we do and taxes we pay we also need to speak up.