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sap_sachin
12-17-2011, 08:33 PM
Senate Floor Wrap up Saturday 17, 2011:

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/)

Rule XIV Process link:

http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf

The Senate will next convene for legislative business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM.

This is the best way to avoid Grassley's objection to this bill...

As this rule avoild Senate Judiciary Commitee, which Grassley is Ranking member, this means its directly placed under Senate Calendar. Once it's scheduled, it will be voted and as Democrats are showing this intent (who are majority) in senate and Republicans are in favor of this bill (as seen in House)..nobody can stop HR 3012 now...

Great Great News

lacrossegc
12-17-2011, 09:58 PM
A ray of hope !! I'm keeping my fingers crossed

panvel123
12-17-2011, 10:08 PM
This proves that we have hope and the bill is moving steadily

navkap
12-17-2011, 10:27 PM
. . . . XIV has a dash of IV on it.

Go IV Go!!!!

lost_in_migration
12-17-2011, 10:28 PM
Push to redefine green card rules rooted in Bay Area - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_19571244)

aruntx
12-18-2011, 07:52 AM
Congressional Record - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r112:18:./temp/~r112ZYzBiv::)

Senator Reid is the man behind it.

sri1309
12-18-2011, 08:39 AM
This is all part of the procedure we heard multiple times from IV core. Do our action items and well get this passed.

!!! Indeed its a good news !!!
But do NOT let your efforts take any rest till we get there. Keep doing what you are doing. And spread the message as much as you can.

Keep UP the good work with responsibility and continue to do your part.

Keep calling the Senators and request them to support 3012:Here is the link again that lists all the Senators of the 112th Congress:

U.S. Senate: Senators Home (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm)

greencard.wait
12-18-2011, 08:47 AM
MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME--H.R. 440 AND H.R. 3012 -- (Senate - December 17, 2011)
[Page: S8782] GPO's PDF
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Mr. REID. Mr. President, I am told there are two bills at the desk due for their first reading.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will read the titles of the bills for the first time.

The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

A bill (H.R. 440) to provide for the establishment of the Special Envoy to Promote Religious Freedom of Religious Minorities in the Near East and South Central Asia.

A bill (H.R. 3012 ) to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes.

Mr. REID. Mr. President, I now ask for a second reading, and object to my own request, all en bloc.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.

sri1309
12-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Push to redefine green card rules rooted in Bay Area - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_19571244)

Dear Sundaram,

Excellant.
I have read the article fully just now, thanks to Lost_in_migration.
You have done something which MANY I know who really need this are not doing.
You have your GC, yet you flew from CA to DC and were knocking doors for us.
We need Leaders like you. I wish I could do the same.


Thank You Once Again,
Sri.

nosightofgc
12-18-2011, 08:52 AM
Calling Senators is not on the Action Items List yet. Am I missing some thing?


!!! Indeed its a good news !!!
But do NOT let your efforts take any rest till we get there. Keep doing what you are doing. And spread the message as much as you can.

Keep UP the good work with responsibility and continue to do your part.

Keep calling the Senators and request them to support 3012:Here is the link again that lists all the Senators of the 112th Congress:

U.S. Senate: Senators Home (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm)

what_now
12-18-2011, 09:20 AM
for action items from IV Team. Lets do our best efforts.

mechanical13
12-18-2011, 09:46 AM
!!! Indeed its a good news !!!
But do NOT let your efforts take any rest till we get there. Keep doing what you are doing. And spread the message as much as you can.

Keep UP the good work with responsibility and continue to do your part.

Keep calling the Senators and request them to support 3012:Here is the link again that lists all the Senators of the 112th Congress:

U.S. Senate: Senators Home (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm)

PLEASE DO NOT CREATE YOUR OWN ACTION ITEMS!


Doing so will be DETRIMENTAL to the cause. If you are a political strategist, then contact info@immigrationvoice.org and discuss with them.

If you know nothing about advocacy and strategy, then please follow IV CORE directions blindly. They have a top advocacy consulting company (Patton Boggs) helping us. If we do out own action items, and the advice is different, we would be wasting our efforts AND doing more harm than good.

Murthy
12-18-2011, 10:01 AM
Hi sap_sachin
I don't see the words like "Began the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012" in Senate's daily digest on Dec 17,2011. I see only under MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME--H.R. 440 AND H.R. 3012 (page S8782)
Congressional Record - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r112:49:./temp/~r1121MGnJH::)
pdf copy of page S8782
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-12-17/pdf/CREC-2011-12-17-pt1-PgS8782-6.pdf#page=1
Any how it is good sign our bill keep moving in senate.
Senate Floor Wrap up Saturday 17, 2011:

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/)

Rule XIV Process link:

http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf

The Senate will next convene for legislative business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM.

This is the best way to avoid Grassley's objection to this bill...

As this rule avoild Senate Judiciary Commitee, which Grassley is Ranking member, this means its directly placed under Senate Calendar. Once it's scheduled, it will be voted and as Democrats are showing this intent (who are majority) in senate and Republicans are in favor of this bill (as seen in House)..nobody can stop HR 3012 now...

Great Great News

Murthy
12-18-2011, 10:37 AM
Like Mr.Sundaram all fellow GC hoders should support H.R. 3012 in a big way following Action items of IV.
Dear Sundaram,

Excellant.
I have read the article fully just now, thanks to Lost_in_migration.
You have done something which MANY I know who really need this are not doing.
You have your GC, yet you flew from CA to DC and were knocking doors for us.
We need Leaders like you. I wish I could do the same.


Thank You Once Again,
Sri.

mechanical13
12-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Congressional Record - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r112:18:./temp/~r112ZYzBiv::)

Senator Reid is the man behind it.

Sen. Reid HAS to be the man behind it because he is the senate majority leader.

No surprise here. This is purely procedural.

greencard.wait
12-18-2011, 10:59 AM
I am also ready to spend days at Capitol if IV add it as Action Item. Good work Sundaram....other people like me definitely will get inspired from you.

mechanical13
12-18-2011, 10:59 AM
. . . . XIV has a dash of IV on it.

Go IV Go!!!!

Ha Ha..Good One.

srikant9
12-18-2011, 12:16 PM
Please see link :

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/)

At above link says "Began the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012".

floridasun
12-18-2011, 12:43 PM
As I said in last post, We should take Grassley's amendment in the context of legislative process. Applying same logic, we should also take this rule XIV and whatever happens in future in the same context. One thing that should be clear now to remaining skeptics is IV is working around the clock for all of us. At least I for one did not see any other organization being so committed to our cause. Great job IV and I+We Rock :cool:
Would really appreciate if IV core at least posts something asking us keep moving forward in the same direction that we were asked. I understand information should not be leaked but atleast a "GO GET IT" message will really help all of us.

Murthy
12-18-2011, 12:46 PM
Now status at Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - H.R.3012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.03012:)
Latest Major Action: 12/17/2011 Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. Hope our bill keep moving forward.

Please see link :

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/)

At above link says "Began the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012".

sap_sachin
12-18-2011, 01:06 PM
Here is how Mr. Harry Reid is behind this bill ==>
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MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME--H.R. 440 AND H.R. 3012 -- (Senate - December 17, 2011)

[Page: S8782] GPO's PDF

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Mr. REID. Mr. President, I am told there are two bills at the desk due for their first reading.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will read the titles of the bills for the first time.

The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

A bill (H.R. 440) to provide for the establishment of the Special Envoy to Promote Religious Freedom of Religious Minorities in the Near East and South Central Asia.

A bill (H.R. 3012 ) to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes.

Mr. REID. Mr. President, I now ask for a second reading, and object to my own request, all en bloc.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.

[Page: S8783] GPO's PDF

The bills will be read for the second time on the next legislative day.
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If you want to see it yourself, go to thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php?&n=Record and Search for "MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME".

You will get lot of results for every legislative day. Click on 42 . MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME -- (Senate - December 17, 2011) . You will find above reading.

Rule 14 introduced, already read one time, It will be read second time on Jan 23rd and put to the vote. Hahahaha.

pappu
12-18-2011, 01:48 PM
Everyone,
The bill is in a good place.everything takes time and one should not expect the bill to pass overnight or get depressed by hearing daily news or updates. Advocacy is a long process and we have come very far and are well positioned.
Do not pay much attention to all misinformation and confusion on forums. Keep the focus. Updates on other websites are also posted by people who are not in the thick of things and are not experts in advocacy. So do not post those links around and spread more confusion. immigration voice as been leading this effort and we are glad that things are moving well due to everyones support. Without support from this community and hard work the bill could not have passed the House. There are two important action items we should be focussing on as immediate need. We need to spread the word and contribute for the next stage of the bill. If you have contributed for getting the bill passed in the house, it is time to help us pass the next step in the senate. We need lot of people and support to carry us through this step.

It is high time the unfair and discriminatory country limits are removed from the employment based visa system.

floridasun
12-18-2011, 02:29 PM
Everyone,
The bill is in a good place.everything takes time and one should not expect the bill to pass overnight or get depressed by hearing daily news or updates. Advocacy is a long process and we have come very far and are well positioned.
Do not pay much attention to all misinformation and confusion on forums. Keep the focus. Updates on other websites are also posted by people who are not in the thick of things and are not experts in advocacy. So do not post those links around and spread more confusion. immigration voice as been leading this effort and we are glad that things are moving well due to everyones support. Without support from this community and hard work the bill could not have passed the House. There are two important action items we should be focussing on as immediate need. We need to spread the word and contribute for the next stage of the bill. If you have contributed for getting the bill passed in the house, it is time to help us pass the next step in the senate. We need lot of people and support to carry us through this step.

It is high time the unfair and discriminatory country limits are removed from the employment based visa system.

This really clears the trash we accumulated in our brains by reading/hearing from other websites/ppl. I said it before and I will say it again, IV is the only organization that is truly committed to our cause and I can't thank enough you and everyone behind the scenes who is laboring by investing time and energy. you guys are true example of exemplary leadership.

lost_in_migration
12-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Here is the link for everyone's reference: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-12-17/pdf/CREC-2011-12-17-pt1-PgS8782-6.pdf#page=1

MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME--H.R. 440 AND H.R. 3012 -- (Senate - December 17, 2011)
[Page: S8782] GPO's PDF
---

Mr. REID. Mr. President, I am told there are two bills at the desk due for their first reading.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will read the titles of the bills for the first time.

The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

A bill (H.R. 440) to provide for the establishment of the Special Envoy to Promote Religious Freedom of Religious Minorities in the Near East and South Central Asia.

A bill (H.R. 3012 ) to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes.

Mr. REID. Mr. President, I now ask for a second reading, and object to my own request, all en bloc.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.

Sunx_2004
12-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Pardon my ignorance, What is Rule 14 process ??

Please see link :

Senate Floor Wrap Up for Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Senate Democrats (http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/)

At above link says "Began the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012".

Murthy
12-18-2011, 07:18 PM
http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf
Already Rule 14 started as bill read once.

Pardon my ignorance, What is Rule 14 process ??

Sunx_2004
12-18-2011, 08:00 PM
The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html)



Yesterday, in the Senate, H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011, was read the first time on the floor and placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. It will be interesting to watch how and when this bill will sail through. A bill must be read second time and if motion to proceed and motion to cloture are presented, we will learn whether there will be filibuster by Sen. Grassley.

As a side note, there was a small political development in the State of Utah. Its Senior Senator Orrin Hatch will have to rerun for his seat and there was educated rumor that the rising star House Representative Chaffetz, the sponsor of H.R. 3012, would challenge his Senate seat in the election, but yesterday there was report that Rep. Chaffetz had decided that he would not challenge Sen. Hatch's seat in the coming election and this news was taken as a huge relief for Senator Hatch's political career. One may speculate what might have gone on behind the scene between Sen. Hatch and Rep. Chaffetz relating to the H.R. 3012 which had been on hold in the Senate. Sen. Hatch is one of the longest Senior Senators in the U.S. Senate, and should he lend his hands on this bill, it would help tremendously to crack the barrier. Please stay tuned to this website for the interesting development of this legislation. This reporter is very interested in the move of Sen. Grassley and the sponsors of S. 1983 (numerical limit elimination & Irish visa bill), Sen. Chuck Schumer, Sen. Dick Durbin, and Sen. Patrick Leahy - all heavy weights in the Senate. Very exciting!

As for the timing, the Senate has reaached unanimous-consent agreement yesterday that when the Senate completes its business on 12/17/2011, it adjourn and convene for pro forma sessions only with no business conducted on the following dates and times and that following each pro forma session, the Senate adjourn until the following pro forma session: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 11 a.m., Friday, December 23, 2011 at 9:30 a.m., Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12 p.m., Friday, December 30, 2011 at 11 a.m.; and that the 2nd session of the 112th Congress convene on Tuesday, January 3, 2012 at 12 p.m., for a pro forma session only with no business conducted D1384and that following the pro forma session, the Senate adjourn and convene for pro forma sessions only with no business conducted on the following dates and times and that following each pro forma session, the Senate adjourn until the following pro forma session: Friday, January 6, 2012 at 11 a.m., Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11 a.m., Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12 p.m., Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 10:15 a.m., Friday, January 20, 2012 at 2 p.m.; and that the Senate adjourn on Friday, January 20, 2012 until 2 p.m. on Monday, January 23, 2012. The House is also adjourned for a constituent work period. During this period, members of the House return to their districts to meet with constituents. House will also have in pro forma session, but no legislative actions will take place until next year.

It thus appears the readers may be able to hold their long breathe for a while to hear exiciting news, if any. Believe me, there will be a lot of things going on during the recess!! In this regards, H.R. 3012 is not quite dead yet.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU, DISTINGUISHED LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE!!!

digital2k
12-18-2011, 08:07 PM
Let us focus on our action items ...

Action item: HR 3012: As of 12/16/11
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-as-of-12-16-11-a.html

Everyone,
The bill is in a good place.everything takes time and one should not expect the bill to pass overnight or get depressed by hearing daily news or updates. Advocacy is a long process and we have come very far and are well positioned.
Do not pay much attention to all misinformation and confusion on forums. Keep the focus. Updates on other websites are also posted by people who are not in the thick of things and are not experts in advocacy. So do not post those links around and spread more confusion. immigration voice as been leading this effort and we are glad that things are moving well due to everyones support. Without support from this community and hard work the bill could not have passed the House. There are two important action items we should be focussing on as immediate need. We need to spread the word and contribute for the next stage of the bill. If you have contributed for getting the bill passed in the house, it is time to help us pass the next step in the senate. We need lot of people and support to carry us through this step.

It is high time the unfair and discriminatory country limits are removed from the employment based visa system.

Sunx_2004
12-18-2011, 08:09 PM
There are lot of things going on in background...Thanks IV for the hardwork...

looivy
12-18-2011, 09:08 PM
Everyone,
The bill is in a good place.everything takes time and one should not expect the bill to pass overnight or get depressed by hearing daily news or updates. Advocacy is a long process and we have come very far and are well positioned.
Do not pay much attention to all misinformation and confusion on forums. Keep the focus. Updates on other websites are also posted by people who are not in the thick of things and are not experts in advocacy. So do not post those links around and spread more confusion. immigration voice as been leading this effort and we are glad that things are moving well due to everyones support. Without support from this community and hard work the bill could not have passed the House. There are two important action items we should be focussing on as immediate need. We need to spread the word and contribute for the next stage of the bill. If you have contributed for getting the bill passed in the house, it is time to help us pass the next step in the senate. We need lot of people and support to carry us through this step.

It is high time the unfair and discriminatory country limits are removed from the employment based visa system.

Right said Pappu. I think we take way too much stress over trivial things and misinformation that are posted on internet.

Let us just do IV's AIs "DAILY".

ronhira
12-18-2011, 10:21 PM
The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html)



Yesterday, in the Senate, H.R.3012, Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011, was read the first time on the floor and placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. It will be interesting to watch how and when this bill will sail through. A bill must be read second time and if motion to proceed and motion to cloture are presented, we will learn whether there will be filibuster by Sen. Grassley.

As a side note, there was a small political development in the State of Utah. Its Senior Senator Orrin Hatch will have to rerun for his seat and there was educated rumor that the rising star House Representative Chaffetz, the sponsor of H.R. 3012, would challenge his Senate seat in the election, but yesterday there was report that Rep. Chaffetz had decided that he would not challenge Sen. Hatch's seat in the coming election and this news was taken as a huge relief for Senator Hatch's political career. One may speculate what might have gone on behind the scene between Sen. Hatch and Rep. Chaffetz relating to the H.R. 3012 which had been on hold in the Senate. Sen. Hatch is one of the longest Senior Senators in the U.S. Senate, and should he lend his hands on this bill, it would help tremendously to crack the barrier. Please stay tuned to this website for the interesting development of this legislation. This reporter is very interested in the move of Sen. Grassley and the sponsors of S. 1983 (numerical limit elimination & Irish visa bill), Sen. Chuck Schumer, Sen. Dick Durbin, and Sen. Patrick Leahy - all heavy weights in the Senate. Very exciting!

As for the timing, the Senate has reaached unanimous-consent agreement yesterday that when the Senate completes its business on 12/17/2011, it adjourn and convene for pro forma sessions only with no business conducted on the following dates and times and that following each pro forma session, the Senate adjourn until the following pro forma session: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 11 a.m., Friday, December 23, 2011 at 9:30 a.m., Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at 12 p.m., Friday, December 30, 2011 at 11 a.m.; and that the 2nd session of the 112th Congress convene on Tuesday, January 3, 2012 at 12 p.m., for a pro forma session only with no business conducted D1384and that following the pro forma session, the Senate adjourn and convene for pro forma sessions only with no business conducted on the following dates and times and that following each pro forma session, the Senate adjourn until the following pro forma session: Friday, January 6, 2012 at 11 a.m., Tuesday, January 10, 2012 at 11 a.m., Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12 p.m., Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at 10:15 a.m., Friday, January 20, 2012 at 2 p.m.; and that the Senate adjourn on Friday, January 20, 2012 until 2 p.m. on Monday, January 23, 2012. The House is also adjourned for a constituent work period. During this period, members of the House return to their districts to meet with constituents. House will also have in pro forma session, but no legislative actions will take place until next year.

It thus appears the readers may be able to hold their long breathe for a while to hear exiciting news, if any. Believe me, there will be a lot of things going on during the recess!! In this regards, H.R. 3012 is not quite dead yet.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU, DISTINGUISHED LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE!!!

this is the most pathetic analysis of all the once available online..... not that its crap, but its untrue & factually incorrect..... someone tried to provide provide all those dates & timing to imply authenticity, but the fact is this is anything but fact....

1st para - author seem to imply that this bill has no chance, is it? how about this, u & i've a best of $10,000, oh well, i'm not romney but i can still bet when i know i'm going to win..... i predict that this bill will pass the senate, will go to president's desk & will become law.... keep u'r $10,000 ready because i'll be calling in collection agency on u :p

2nd para - author claims that chaffetz is not running in senate and this is a new event.... oh well, knock knock! who is there? google search which tells u that this was not announced yesterday, rather this has been common knowledge since Aug 22nd, 2011.... too bad u'r late by 3 months and 26 days in reading the news....

Chaffetz Won't Seek Senate Seat in Utah - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/chaffetz-wont-seek-senate-seat-in-utah/)

3rd and 4th para - the grand standing for declaring that this bill is not dead "yet"- this declaration is doing to blow in u'r face one day, at that time i'll make sure to remind the public that how naive & ignorant u'r even when u cannot stop pretending knowing everything about legislating...... time is not far when u will be deleting u'r predictions..... lets say maybe 2 months...... i know that u want this bill to die becoz u'r from vietnam & u want to continue making money from pending eb applicants from india.... well, i give u 2 months.... say all that u can.... but that's the time u've.....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU

sap_sachin
12-19-2011, 12:16 AM
Nice reply...

mechanical13
12-19-2011, 09:35 AM
this is the most pathetic analysis of all the once available online..... not that its crap, but its untrue & factually incorrect..... someone tried to provide provide all those dates & timing to imply authenticity, but the fact is this is anything but fact....

1st para - author seem to imply that this bill has no chance, is it? how about this, u & i've a best of $10,000, oh well, i'm not romney but i can still bet when i know i'm going to win..... i predict that this bill will pass the senate, will go to president's desk & will become law.... keep u'r $10,000 ready because i'll be calling in collection agency on u :p

2nd para - author claims that chaffetz is not running in senate and this is a new event.... oh well, knock knock! who is there? google search which tells u that this was not announced yesterday, rather this has been common knowledge since Aug 22nd, 2011.... too bad u'r late by 3 months and 26 days in reading the news....

Chaffetz Won't Seek Senate Seat in Utah - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/chaffetz-wont-seek-senate-seat-in-utah/)

3rd and 4th para - the grand standing for declaring that this bill is not dead "yet"- this declaration is doing to blow in u'r face one day, at that time i'll make sure to remind the public that how naive & ignorant u'r even when u cannot stop pretending knowing everything about legislating...... time is not far when u will be deleting u'r predictions..... lets say maybe 2 months...... i know that u want this bill to die becoz u'r from vietnam & u want to continue making money from pending eb applicants from india.... well, i give u 2 months.... say all that u can.... but that's the time u've.....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU

The guys merely increasing traffic to his site. Its a form of low cost marketing.

Not everything on there is factually correct. This was mentioned earlier as well on this thread.

We shouldn't take what is posted on that website literally, but should take everything on there with multiple grains of salt.

thomachan72
12-19-2011, 09:43 AM
this is the most pathetic analysis of all the once available online..... not that its crap, but its untrue & factually incorrect..... someone tried to provide provide all those dates & timing to imply authenticity, but the fact is this is anything but fact....

1st para - author seem to imply that this bill has no chance, is it? how about this, u & i've a best of $10,000, oh well, i'm not romney but i can still bet when i know i'm going to win..... i predict that this bill will pass the senate, will go to president's desk & will become law.... keep u'r $10,000 ready because i'll be calling in collection agency on u :p

2nd para - author claims that chaffetz is not running in senate and this is a new event.... oh well, knock knock! who is there? google search which tells u that this was not announced yesterday, rather this has been common knowledge since Aug 22nd, 2011.... too bad u'r late by 3 months and 26 days in reading the news....

Chaffetz Won't Seek Senate Seat in Utah - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/chaffetz-wont-seek-senate-seat-in-utah/)

3rd and 4th para - the grand standing for declaring that this bill is not dead "yet"- this declaration is doing to blow in u'r face one day, at that time i'll make sure to remind the public that how naive & ignorant u'r even when u cannot stop pretending knowing everything about legislating...... time is not far when u will be deleting u'r predictions..... lets say maybe 2 months...... i know that u want this bill to die becoz u'r from vietnam & u want to continue making money from pending eb applicants from india.... well, i give u 2 months.... say all that u can.... but that's the time u've.....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU
We will make that your statement here is wrong ronhira. IV is much better organized now and the members have very high regards for the mgt as well as our integrity as an org. Its not long before we start to identify good and honest immigration attorneys with whom current and/or future EB applicants could work with. I am not sure whether "your friend" here will be on our list ;););)

dts
12-19-2011, 12:22 PM
Great news. Let's keep action items on. Seems like people got much needed boost after days of depression.

khendai
12-19-2011, 01:02 PM
Nice post Ronhira! Im not sure if I would agree with all your points but I felt good reading it. I generally don't like the tone and attitude of some of these immi attorneys. They think they know everything and we know nothing and give us rough response when we go to them.


this is the most pathetic analysis of all the once available online..... not that its crap, but its untrue & factually incorrect..... someone tried to provide provide all those dates & timing to imply authenticity, but the fact is this is anything but fact....

1st para - author seem to imply that this bill has no chance, is it? how about this, u & i've a best of $10,000, oh well, i'm not romney but i can still bet when i know i'm going to win..... i predict that this bill will pass the senate, will go to president's desk & will become law.... keep u'r $10,000 ready because i'll be calling in collection agency on u :p

2nd para - author claims that chaffetz is not running in senate and this is a new event.... oh well, knock knock! who is there? google search which tells u that this was not announced yesterday, rather this has been common knowledge since Aug 22nd, 2011.... too bad u'r late by 3 months and 26 days in reading the news....

Chaffetz Won't Seek Senate Seat in Utah - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/chaffetz-wont-seek-senate-seat-in-utah/)

3rd and 4th para - the grand standing for declaring that this bill is not dead "yet"- this declaration is doing to blow in u'r face one day, at that time i'll make sure to remind the public that how naive & ignorant u'r even when u cannot stop pretending knowing everything about legislating...... time is not far when u will be deleting u'r predictions..... lets say maybe 2 months...... i know that u want this bill to die becoz u'r from vietnam & u want to continue making money from pending eb applicants from india.... well, i give u 2 months.... say all that u can.... but that's the time u've.....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU

gk_2000
12-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Senate Floor Wrap up Saturday 17, 2011:



Rule XIV Process link:

http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf



Laughing HARD, because of both the seemingly ridiculous procedure, and because of the relief... thanks for posting !

unluckydude
12-19-2011, 05:15 PM
Here is how Mr. Harry Reid is behind this bill ==>
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MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME--H.R. 440 AND H.R. 3012 -- (Senate - December 17, 2011)

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Mr. REID. Mr. President, I am told there are two bills at the desk due for their first reading.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will read the titles of the bills for the first time.

The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

A bill (H.R. 440) to provide for the establishment of the Special Envoy to Promote Religious Freedom of Religious Minorities in the Near East and South Central Asia.

A bill (H.R. 3012 ) to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes.

Mr. REID. Mr. President, I now ask for a second reading, and object to my own request, all en bloc.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.

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The bills will be read for the second time on the next legislative day.
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If you want to see it yourself, go to thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php?&n=Record and Search for "MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME".

You will get lot of results for every legislative day. Click on 42 . MEASURES READ THE FIRST TIME -- (Senate - December 17, 2011) . You will find above reading.

Rule 14 introduced, already read one time, It will be read second time on Jan 23rd and put to the vote. Hahahaha.


if the bill was read the second time, it will be directly placed on the calendar. Does any one know why the senator asked for the second reading and objected to his own request to be read for the second time?

kuyil
12-19-2011, 05:34 PM
If the bill is read for the second time it has to be sent to the Judiciary committee. so second reading was postponed so as to file rule XIV.

mahujam
12-19-2011, 06:14 PM
Google gave me this explanation on the objection and rule 14.

http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/CRS-RS22299.pdf

gvenkat
12-19-2011, 06:16 PM
In a nutshell what is objection and rule 15?

vhd999
12-19-2011, 06:22 PM
" Senate Rule XIV, para. 4, states: “... and every bill and joint resolution introduced
on leave, and every bill and joint resolution of the House of Representatives which shall
have received a first and second reading without being referred to a committee, shall, if
objection be made to further proceeding thereon, be placed on the Calendar.” (Emphasis
added.)

Therefore, through objection, a bill or joint resolution after two readings is prevented
from being referred to committee and is placed directly on the Calendar. It is usually the majority leader, or his designee, acting on his own or at the request of any other Senator,
who objects to “further proceeding” — committee referral — on the measure."

looivy
12-19-2011, 06:35 PM
" Senate Rule XIV, para. 4, states: “... and every bill and joint resolution introduced
on leave, and every bill and joint resolution of the House of Representatives which shall
have received a first and second reading without being referred to a committee, shall, if
objection be made to further proceeding thereon, be placed on the Calendar.” (Emphasis
added.)

Therefore, through objection, a bill or joint resolution after two readings is prevented
from being referred to committee and is placed directly on the Calendar. It is usually the majority leader, or his designee, acting on his own or at the request of any other Senator,
who objects to “further proceeding” — committee referral — on the measure."

Pardon my understanding of legal jargon, does it mean that Reid has put it on the floor for voting on Jan 23rd.

namjoshi
12-19-2011, 07:08 PM
1 q-

Is the Senate running & working during the next 10-12 day period ? Any idea ?

snathan
12-19-2011, 07:38 PM
if the bill was read the second time, it will be directly placed on the calendar. Does any one know why the senator asked for the second reading and objected to his own request to be read for the second time?

Do you know the meaning of split personality?

nishant2200
12-19-2011, 07:58 PM
Pardon my understanding of legal jargon, does it mean that Reid has put it on the floor for voting on Jan 23rd.

I think it will be brought up again (read) on the Jan 23rd, after which the senator who put a hold may attempt a filibuster. And to break that, 60 senators would need to come forward with a motion to cloture, and if that happens, I guess, after that there can be a debate about it in senate if needed or a vote take place. I am not completely sure, just trying to piece together. Pardon me if I should not do that, I will not mind if moderators delete post, I don't want in anyway to harm any process.

pappu
12-19-2011, 08:08 PM
if the bill was read the second time, it will be directly placed on the calendar. Does any one know why the senator asked for the second reading and objected to his own request to be read for the second time?

They are just trying to make sure there are no spelling errors in the bill. :o

Hey, do not stress too much on the technicalities. We are working through them.
All we need to do is get massive support for this bill. There may be new set of action items coming up. We will need much greater participation in those. So let us try to spend the next few days to work very hard on spreading the message on this bill to all our friends, co workers, and others that maybe stuck in the greencard process.

mechanical13
12-19-2011, 08:43 PM
They are just trying to make sure there are no spelling errors in the bill. :o

Hey, do not stress too much on the technicalities. We are working through them.
All we need to do is get massive support for this bill. There may be new set of action items coming up. We will need much greater participation in those. So let us try to spend the next few days to work very hard on spreading the message on this bill to all our friends, co workers, and others that maybe stuck in the greencard process.

Good one Pappu. :) We definitely don't want any spelling mistakes in the bill. :)

floridasun
12-19-2011, 08:53 PM
New Green Card Bill Would Shorten The Line For Some, But Make It Longer For Others | The Metropolitan Corporate Counsel (http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/articles/17114/new-green-card-bill-would-shorten-line-some-make-it-longer-others)

When in status quo, some ppl do not question or voice opinions on any website/news/any communication media much less participate in requesting congress to do something. But when someone is doing something to make things better than status quo, these same ppl come out of their caves and start voicing their "expert" opinions. Well, I guess thats why this World is such an interesting place :rolleyes:

mechanical13
12-19-2011, 09:01 PM
New Green Card Bill Would Shorten The Line For Some, But Make It Longer For Others | The Metropolitan Corporate Counsel (http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/articles/17114/new-green-card-bill-would-shorten-line-some-make-it-longer-others)

When in status quo, some ppl do not question or voice opinions on any website/news/any communication media much less participate in requesting congress to do something. But when someone is doing something to make things better than status quo, these same ppl come out of their caves and start voicing their "expert" opinions. Well, I guess thats why this World is such an interesting place :rolleyes:

Frogoman wants the number of GCs allocated each year to up. That way, they can line their pockets with additional application fees.

If you didn't already know...Frogoman created much of the current EB queue mess by doing rampant labor sub back in the day. They even got sued for it.

Oh well, I guess lawyers do anything that will help buy that Ferrari...

ubdvit
12-19-2011, 09:05 PM
http://rules.house.gov/Media/file/NewSite/Boot%20Camp/mkcBT%204s.pdf

Enjoy.

GCBy3000
12-19-2011, 09:07 PM
His analysis is correct but will be mis-leading to comman man without data.

So let us say from a country ekuadoor now 10 people come every year and when the immigration reaches to 7000 in 2240 AD, the 7001 th person will have to wait longer to get his GC.

Eb3Pro
12-19-2011, 09:19 PM
Rule XIV is the only way HR 3012 could get passed in the current political circus.

If the bill is read twice and referred to the committee, it may never reach senate floor for debate. There is one famous republican ranking member waiting with a big hammer !!!

Reading only once and objecting you 2nd reading will ensure that bill will be held up for desk and placed on the union calendar, instead of referring to the committee.

Next Step to move this bill for voting would be to collect signatures of 16 senators and file a motion and gather 3/5 majority to override any fillbusters during debate.

We got a rare opportunity , as this bill is passed house and it is merely 2 steps away from becoming law. but we need make sure that message will reach to the at-least 3/5 of the senators.


So guys, please step up and stand behind IV!!! If you can not participate in the field trips and campaigns, at least please help the cause by donating money to IV!!

For a fair system, That would value skill , not the it's origin.

--- EB3Pro

floridasun
12-19-2011, 09:20 PM
His analysis is correct but will be mis-leading to comman man without data.

So let us say from a country ekuadoor now 10 people come every year and when the immigration reaches to 7000 in 2240 AD, the 7001 th person will have to wait longer to get his GC.

Well he may be right but having seen this unfair system, he should at least stress the importance of this bill. Not propose something that will take few more years to come to Senate. Just support that is already in Senate at the moment. I do not understand how this unfair system of per country quota survived so long in this great Country and how this is facing tough roadblocks even now !

i_my_Voice
12-19-2011, 09:34 PM
Well he may be right but having seen this unfair system, he should at least stress the importance of this bill. Not propose something that will take few more years to come to Senate. Just support that is already in Senate at the moment. I do not understand how this unfair system of per country quota survived so long in this great Country and how this is facing tough roadblocks even now !
Fragomen is managing all the immigration affairs for my company. They make ton loads of money as there are several thousand applicants. Not sure if we should be worried from this post as there are several such posts in favor of us as well but if IV core team wants me to reach out to Fragomen, i will. Just don't want to make my own action item as suggested. Thanks!

h1techSlave
12-19-2011, 09:45 PM
1 q-

Is the Senate running & working during the next 10-12 day period ? Any idea ?

Actually they have not been working for the last 4 or 5 years :)

sudkal
12-20-2011, 01:05 AM
Rule XIV is the only way HR 3012 could get passed in the current political circus.

If the bill is read twice and referred to the committee, it may never reach senate floor for debate. There is one famous republican ranking member waiting with a big hammer !!!

Reading only once and objecting you 2nd reading will ensure that bill will be held up for desk and placed on the union calendar, instead of referring to the committee.

Next Step to move this bill for voting would be to collect signatures of 16 senators and file a motion and gather 3/5 majority to override any fillbusters during debate.

We got a rare opportunity , as this bill is passed house and it is merely 2 steps away from becoming law. but we need make sure that message will reach to the at-least 3/5 of the senators.


So guys, please step up and stand behind IV!!! If you can not participate in the field trips and campaigns, at least please help the cause by donating money to IV!!

For a fair system, That would value skill , not the it's origin.

--- EB3Pro
Isn't the E-3 Irish visa provision added to HR3012, when it came to senate? In that case, shouldn't the amended bill has to go through the House, to become a law? Also, Is this bill big enough for the senators to back it up with cloture to prevent filibustering, as that process seems to be long and lengthy. Just my doubts...

Eb3Pro
12-20-2011, 07:17 AM
E-3 visa is not yet attatched to HR 3012. it is a seperate bill at this time. No one knows what would happen when it comes to debate.

Our equation is simple.. we need 3/5 th of the senators to stand behind us. With right lobbying efforts, this would not be difficult for this commen sense bill. This is where your action items and donation dollars come in to action.

By the way have you donated to IV yet ? This is time to step up.. now.. or never.

sri1309
12-20-2011, 10:06 AM
E-3 visa is not yet attatched to HR 3012. it is a seperate bill at this time. No one knows what would happen when it comes to debate.

Our equation is simple.. we need 3/5 th of the senators to stand behind us. With right lobbying efforts, this would not be difficult for this commen sense bill. This is where your action items and donation dollars come in to action.

By the way have you donated to IV yet ? This is time to step up.. now.. or never.

No Sir, when it comes to efforts or contributing, not many are so willing. But most of them are willing to do discuss whats going on,. They do have time :)

Oh, Yes, but if you do the efforts, lobbying, and everything, then most of these folks are willing to take the fruits.

Enjoy a beautiful story I remember from my childhood.
The Little Red Hen | Children's Stories (http://www.childrenstory.info/childrenstories/thelittleredhen.html)

kabhikabhi
12-20-2011, 10:09 AM
Actually they have not been working for the last 4 or 5 years :)

Good one :-)

chikna
12-20-2011, 10:42 AM
Sorry for posting this article. It's really sums up everything. Please delete if it's no appropriate.

It's just one small example of our bizarre U.S. policy toward high-skill immigrants. Every year, we allow approximately 140,000 employment visas, which cover people of extraordinary ability, professionals with advanced degrees, and other skilled workers. The number is absurdly low for a country with a workforce of 150 million. As a result, it can be years, even decades, before a high-skilled individual is granted a U.S. visa. Moreover, these 140,000 visas must also cover the spouse and unmarried children of the high-skilled worker, so the actual number of high-skilled workers admitted under these programs is less than half of the total. Perhaps most bizarrely there is a cap on the number of visas allowed per country regardless of population size. How many visas are allocated to people of extraordinary ability from China, a country of over 1 billion people? Exactly 2,803. The same number as are allocated to Greenland.

At a minimum, we should shift from family-based immigration to work-based immigration, using a point system for skills, such as used by Canada, Australia and Hong Kong. At the same time as we limit skill-based visas to 140,000, we have over 1.1 million legal immigrants per year, most based on family immigration. Even the harshest critics of immigration cannot fault a policy that keeps the number of immigrants constant while shifting toward more high-skill immigrants.

More here:

The No-Brainer Issue of the Year: Let High-Skill Immigrants Stay (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/the-no-brainer-issue-of-the-year-let-high-skill-immigrants-stay/250219/).

sudkal
12-20-2011, 02:08 PM
No Sir, when it comes to efforts or contributing, not many are so willing. But most of them are willing to do discuss whats going on,. They do have time :)

Oh, Yes, but if you do the efforts, lobbying, and everything, then most of these folks are willing to take the fruits.

Enjoy a beautiful story I remember from my childhood.
The Little Red Hen | Children's Stories (http://www.childrenstory.info/childrenstories/thelittleredhen.html)

Quite a hazing for me, whose membership is less than a day old.. :D
Anyways, I have completed 4 out of 5 action items including a recurring contribution , as instructed by the moderator.

Thanks a lot and Good day.

kalypso
12-20-2011, 03:00 PM
Here all Pigs, Ducks and Cats will get a share of the fresh hot corn bread, not for red hen alone :)

GOD makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust

No Sir, when it comes to efforts or contributing, not many are so willing. But most of them are willing to do discuss whats going on,. They do have time :)

Oh, Yes, but if you do the efforts, lobbying, and everything, then most of these folks are willing to take the fruits.

Enjoy a beautiful story I remember from my childhood.
The Little Red Hen | Children's Stories (http://www.childrenstory.info/childrenstories/thelittleredhen.html)

sri1309
12-20-2011, 05:59 PM
Here all Pigs, Ducks and Cats will get a share of the fresh hot corn bread, not for red hen alone :)

GOD makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust

No offense on any Duck or Cat. We really dont care who gets the benefit.
My concern is only "Will it be successful, and what else needs to be done".
We ALL need to make sure it passes, as everyone has hopes on this. There shouldnt be situation where we feel "If only we did a little better, it could have passed",. Lets not create anything we regret later..
Do the action items that IV says again and again..Go Go GO

digital2k
12-21-2011, 12:08 AM
Let us focus on OUR action items Everyday ... :)

Action item: HR 3012: Week of 12/19/11
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-12-19-11-a.html

:) "Please follow through with action items and spread the word." :)

Everyone,
The bill is in a good place.everything takes time and one should not expect the bill to pass overnight or get depressed by hearing daily news or updates. Advocacy is a long process and we have come very far and are well positioned.
Do not pay much attention to all misinformation and confusion on forums. Keep the focus. Updates on other websites are also posted by people who are not in the thick of things and are not experts in advocacy. So do not post those links around and spread more confusion. immigration voice as been leading this effort and we are glad that things are moving well due to everyones support. Without support from this community and hard work the bill could not have passed the House. There are two important action items we should be focussing on as immediate need. We need to spread the word and contribute for the next stage of the bill. If you have contributed for getting the bill passed in the house, it is time to help us pass the next step in the senate. We need lot of people and support to carry us through this step.

It is high time the unfair and discriminatory country limits are removed from the employment based visa system.

thomachan72
12-21-2011, 07:01 AM
Quite a hazing for me, whose membership is less than a day old.. :D
Anyways, I have completed 4 out of 5 action items including a recurring contribution , as instructed by the moderator.

Thanks a lot and Good day.

update your profile if you have time. thanks for ur support. pls sprd msg 2 frnds:D

sap_sachin
12-27-2011, 12:01 AM
Yes, Thanks for the support for HR3012.

aruntx
01-02-2012, 10:41 AM
Senator Reid's success stories in handling filibusters:

Harry Reid Beat Back Majority of Filibusters in 2011 : Roll Call News (http://t.co/qCeItVZW)

Just in case, if someone tries to filibuster.

bhuka
01-02-2012, 12:24 PM
Reid is not friend, he supports 3012 with the goal of adding Irish reforms, which is a Demo party bill. Compared with Grassley, Irish E-3 is not any better. Hope 3012 can go ahead without any amendment.

Senator Reid's success stories in handling filibusters:

Harry Reid Beat Back Majority of Filibusters in 2011 : Roll Call News (http://t.co/qCeItVZW)

Just in case, if someone tries to filibuster.

Suva
01-02-2012, 01:56 PM
It is heartening to see that all the big American companies like Intel, Oracle, Microsoft, Google etc are supporting and lobbying for our bill. Check the list of companies which are lobbying here...

Lobbying Spending Database H.R.3012, 2010 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399)

padmaforopt
01-02-2012, 02:06 PM
It is heartening to see that all the big American companies like Intel, Oracle, Microsoft, Google etc are supporting and lobbying for our bill. Check the list of companies which are lobbying here...

Lobbying Spending Database H.R.3012, 2010 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399)

Why IV is not listed over there?
That may not be accurate.

pappu
01-02-2012, 06:35 PM
[[/url]

Do not post your own action items. Your post will be deleted.

Follow http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/2586064-action-item-hr-3012-week-of-01-02-2012-a.html

ace007
01-02-2012, 08:13 PM
Why IV is not listed over there?
That may not be accurate.

Not so sure, its weird they don't have primary advocate of this bill (IV) listed there - I did reverse search on Immigration Voice and here are the lobbying efforts of IV so far - off course you have to take data from open secrets with pinch of salt as it may not have up-to-date information (or there might be behind the scene lobbying done by IV)

Lobbying Spending Database - Immigration Voice, 2011 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=F4823&year=2011)

neelu8
01-04-2012, 09:49 AM
Why IV is not listed over there?
That may not be accurate.

Not so sure, its weird they don't have primary advocate of this bill (IV) listed there - I did reverse search on Immigration Voice and here are the lobbying efforts of IV so far - off course you have to take data from open secrets with pinch of salt as it may not have up-to-date information (or there might be behind the scene lobbying done by IV)

Lobbying Spending Database - Immigration Voice, 2011 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=F4823&year=2011)

Do you see any lobbying firm working on it listed there? The list only includes orgs and companies that directly contribute funds. IV works through a lobbying firm and ofcourse through its members. This is not a secret and all lawmaker offices know this and recognize IV as the only grassroots org that works on high skilled immigration. IV is also part of Compete America which is a coalition of all those firms and works very closely and coordinates lobbying and advocacy efforts with other Compete members. Some day we will share the story of how all those firms came about supporting this bill (they support high skilled immigration in general but specifically the story of how this particular bill came about)

Meanwhile, most importantly let's keep spreading the word. We need to up our grassroots efforts!

pak
01-04-2012, 10:16 AM
Do you see any lobbying firm working on it listed there? The list only includes orgs and companies that directly contribute funds. IV works through a lobbying firm and ofcourse through its members. This is not a secret and all lawmaker offices know this and recognize IV as the only grassroots org that works on high skilled immigration. IV is also part of Compete America which is a coalition of all those firms and works very closely and coordinates lobbying and advocacy efforts with other Compete members. Some day we will share the story of how all those firms came about supporting this bill (they support high skilled immigration in general but specifically the story of how this particular bill came about)

Meanwhile, most importantly let's keep spreading the word. We need to up our grassroots efforts!

IV has shown results in 2007 by lobbying to House, Senate and White House and will be successful in 2012.

http://soprweb.senate.gov/index.cfm?event=getFilingDetails&filingID=7308CFE0-C4BB-4E5A-853A-E35290E40210

gk_2000
01-04-2012, 04:58 PM
Social Origins of Eugenics (http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/essay9text.html)

johndoeme1
01-11-2012, 11:21 AM
Hi guys,

any update on what's happening regarding HR3012?

Thanks!

green_mile
01-11-2012, 12:34 PM
Hi guys,

any update on what's happening regarding HR3012?

Thanks!

Johndoe ,

I really appriciate your intrest on the status of HR 3012.
Your profile doesn't give us any insight wether you are a pro or an anti.
If you update your profile atleast we will know what is your motive, if you contribute to the cause and let the community know we will be more comfortable.

unluckydude
01-11-2012, 01:14 PM
Watch CSPAN2 starting Jan 23 for updates.

I second it

thomachan72
01-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Watch CSPAN2 starting Jan 23 for updates.

You possibly said this carelessly but May your words really come true my friend:D

ds37
01-11-2012, 04:44 PM
Johndoe ,

I really appriciate your intrest on the status of HR 3012.
Your profile doesn't give us any insight wether you are a pro or an anti.
If you update your profile atleast we will know what is your motive, if you contribute to the cause and let the community know we will be more comfortable.
Really with a profile entry you can find out if the person is pro or anti. :confused:

PERM12
01-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Support 3012 in 2012 !!!

Watch CSPAN2 starting Jan 23 for updates.

green_mile
01-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Really with a profile entry you can find out if the person is pro or anti. :confused:

it is just to lure him to update his profile and see if he sticks around:)

smp_king
01-11-2012, 10:19 PM
It is time for everyone to wake up to support the bill again. Pls contribute.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 11 (UPI) -- A U.S. Senate delay over a proposed green card law threatens to pit some immigrants on temporary visas against others, observers said.

The measure stalled in the Senate would address a backed-up system that grants permanent residency permits -- green cards -- to immigrants who work in the United States on temporary visas for high-skilled jobs.

The proposal has been bogged down in a debate over charges that it was unfair to Americans who may be seeking high-skilled jobs during the recession and claims it would favor workers from larger countries, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

"Our intention was to create a recipe for success, not to pick a fight," said Virginia resident Aman Kapoor, an Indian American who co-founded Immigration Voice, an advocacy organization promoting the bill.

The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act would eliminate individual country limits and grant work-based green cards to qualified applicants on a first-come, first-served basis. Under existing law, the U.S. government can issue 140,000 green cards annually to immigrants with temporary work visas but restricts each country to 7 percent of the green cards.

The bill's supporters say it would level the field for people of all nationalities to attain permanent residency. After it passed the House in November, with bipartisan support, the bill wallowed in the Senate. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, complained the measure didn't do anything "to protect Americans at home who seek high-skilled jobs in this time of record-high unemployment."

Grassley added several amendments that could potentially add months of debate and delay.

Beyond the debate on Capitol Hill, immigrants from smaller countries say the bill is unfair because it might increase their wait time by about two more years.
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I have contributed $200 so far

smp_king
01-11-2012, 10:32 PM
another article from washington post. Pls be actively involved. We can still end up short if we don't contribute or actively participate.

By Pamela Constable, Published: January10

With cutting-edge, high-tech jobs and an Arlington County townhouse, Neelima Reddy and her husband seem launched on a path to success. Instead, they feel frustrated and stuck.

Seven years after moving from India, the young professional couple are still waiting to become permanent U.S. residents.

Rogie Legaspi, a teacher trainer in Baltimore, also is still in line for his green card, 20 years after first arriving from the Philippines.

Under the rules of their temporary work visas, Legaspi and Reddy are unable to change their employers or plan their lives beyond their work visa renewal about every two years. Despite their common frustration, these foreign-born professionals could find themselves on opposite sides of an increasingly nasty dispute among immigrants and their advocates over the proposed Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act.

The measure, which has stalled in the U.S. Senate, is aimed at addressing the badly clogged system that grants permanent residency permits, or green cards, to immigrants from around the world who work in the United States on temporary visas for high-skilled jobs.

But the proposal has gotten bogged down in a debate over assertions that it is unfair to Americans who may be seeking high-skilled jobs during the recession and that it favors workers from larger countries, especially India, over smaller and mid-size ones, such as the Philippines.

“Our intention was to create a recipe for success, not to pick a fight,” said Virginia resident Aman Kapoor, an Indian American and co-founder of Immigration Voice, a national advocacy organization that has aggressively promoted the bill.

Under current law, the U.S. government can issue 140,000 green cards each year to immigrants who have temporary work visas. Hundreds of thousands of foreign-born workers are recruited to this country as teachers, nurses, engineers and other professionals on such temporary visas, which must be renewed about every two years. They must be sponsored by an American company or public agency that is able to show that they cannot find an American worker who is able or willing to do such jobs.

But the slowness of the process has left a permanent backlog of hundreds of thousands of applicants, including many who have lived here for years on temporary visas. Many of the applicants come from a few Asian countries, led by India and China. But because the law also limits each country to 7percent of the green cards, workers from smaller countries tend to get their green cards much faster.

The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act would change the rules of the game, eliminating the individual country limits and granting work-based green cards to qualified applicants on a first-come, first-served basis.

Supporters say the measure, which zipped through the House of Representatives in November with bipartisan support, would give people of all nationalities a more equal chance to attain permanent residency. But it unexpectedly screeched to a halt in the Senate last month, when Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) complained that the bill would do “nothing to protect Americans at home who seek high-skilled jobs in this time of record-high unemployment.”

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Trying to slow the bill’s momentum, Grassley tacked on several amendments, potentially adding months of debate and delay.

Meanwhile, the debate is raging online among immigrants and their advocates. Some critics accuse the influential Indian American lobby of intimidating workers into supporting the bill. They also complain that extra green cards, left over from smaller countries when there aren’t enough applicants to fill the annual quota, are already reallocated to India and China.

By ending the per-country quotas, the bill would raise or lower the waiting times for hundreds of thousands of current green card applicants. Some immigrants from smaller countries say it is unfair that the bill might increase their wait by about two more years.

“If this bill is passed, then thousands of people from India will get to cut in line in front of me and add 3-4 more years to my already ridiculous wait time,” an electrical engineer from Bangladesh wrote last month in an online post from California. “It would be robbing Peter (me) to pay Paul.”

But Reddy, 31, who works as a financial engineering manager at Fannie Mae, and her husband, Vishal Iyer, a Web site designer at AOL, adamantly disagree.

“Why should my colleague from Bulgaria get his green card in six months, while we have been waiting seven years, just because we were born in India?” Reddy said. “We love America. We want to contribute to the economy and raise our kids here. Instead, we are living in a state of limbo.”

India’s huge population has made it much harder for many of its most talented, U.S.-trained professionals to settle permanently in the United States, said Kapoor, of Immigration Voice. The official wait time, he said, can stretch to 40 years.

“The country limits have created huge backlogs, and our members have been very diligent about advocating to remove them. Why should an engineer from Mozambique or Barbados, with perhaps 250,000 people, have the same green card distribution as an equally qualified engineer from China or India, with a billion people? This creates a more equitable system without adding any more green cards.”

Because the proposal would not raise the number of skilled foreigners who are allowed to work in the United States, supporters had hoped that it would avoid the contentious issue of why so many private companies and government agencies — including aerospace firms and hospitals — continue courting highly skilled foreigners to do jobs that Americans could, in theory, be trained to do and be eager to perform.

Among the most adamant opponents of the bill are people who have long pushed for allowing more foreign workers to remain in the country permanently, especially those in technical and research fields who have graduated from U.S. institutions. They argue that until the entire system is changed, it does no good to tinker with the proportion of workers who come from one country or another.

“The arithmetic of the zero-sum game is that no one gains unless someone else loses,” said Bruce Morrison, a former member of the U.S. House from Connecticut who lobbies on immigration issues for various groups, including the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. He argued that the bill would cut out many thousands of skilled immigrants from the Philippines, South Korea and Mexico and do nothing to ease the overall green card backlog. “Playing one ethnicity and source country against another is not in America’s national interest,” he wrote in an e-mail.

For those who wait, the uncertainty is agonizing.

“You always have a sense of uneasiness, like you may be considered a second-class citizen,” said Bryan Sebobo, 34, who was recruited in 2003, along with a dozen other Filipinos, to teach special education in D.C. schools. Of the 13, he said, only three have attained U.S. residency after eight years of work. “A little piece of plastic brings you so much security,” he said.

Legaspi, 41, the Baltimore teacher who has waited two decades for his green card, once gave up and went back to the Philippines, then returned to try again.

“The long wait really does affect you,” he said. “There is so much uncertainty. If you want to buy a house or get your kids started in college, it is a gamble. Even if you are qualified for a job promotion, you may be passed over. I believe merit and hard work should be rewarded. This is not fair.”

pak
01-12-2012, 09:05 AM
House majority leader should talk to Senator Grassley to lift the hold and allow the bill to pass. Eric Cantor || Majority Leader || Jobs Legislation Tracker (http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/)

thomachan72
01-12-2012, 10:04 AM
House majority leader should talk to Senator Grassley to lift the hold and allow the bill to pass. Eric Cantor || Majority Leader || Jobs Legislation Tracker (http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/)

Good find. thx for sharing

chikna
01-12-2012, 10:10 AM
From Immigration-law.com:

Irish news media reports today its lobbying activities to solicit support of S. 1983 which includes H.R. 3012 version and Irish E-3 nonimmigrant visas for legal and illegal Irish. They are and will continuously drum up their lobby campaigns during next few weeks to find seven (7) Republican Senators to support this bill. Reportedly, Schumer stated that he had 53 votes in the Democratic caucus in the Senate who had agreed to vote for the bill. This is somewhat promising news for H.R. 3012 supporters. As we reported earlier, the supporters of H.R. 3012 and S. 1983 should increase their efforts to get one of these bills passed in the Senate as soon as the Senate return late this month. Otherwise, the chances for success will turn slimmer and slimmer because of changing political landscape involving the national election strategies. Please stay tuned.

Pedro Gonzales
01-12-2012, 10:52 AM
I am cancelling my membership to IEEE USA in response to their opposition to HR3012. I intend to a) call them, b) speak with a manager and c) explain very clearly that I am cancelling my membership because of their stance on HR3012.

I recommend that all pro-FIFO IEE members do the same.

neelu8
01-12-2012, 11:41 AM
I am cancelling my membership to IEEE USA in response to their opposition to HR3012. I intend to a) call them, b) speak with a manager and c) explain very clearly that I am cancelling my membership because of their stance on HR3012.

I recommend that all pro-FIFO IEE members do the same.

That's the best way to show IEEE that instead of playing divisive politics it should work for its membership. If you are cancelling your IEEE membership, please also tweet about it to @IEEEUSA and @SUPPORT_HR_3012

matreen
01-13-2012, 10:53 AM
one way of showing the power of skilled immigrants / workers.

padmaforopt
01-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Immigration Reform Poised to Move in 2012 (http://www.todaysengineer.org/2012/Jan/immigration.asp)

Yesterday, I found the above article , which says that IEEE is supporting H.R.3012.
Correct me , If I am wrong .

neelu8
01-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Immigration Reform Poised to Move in 2012 (http://www.todaysengineer.org/2012/Jan/immigration.asp)

Yesterday, I found the above article , which says that IEEE is supporting H.R.3012.
Correct me , If I am wrong .

IEEE's official position is that they support the bill. But they are lobbying against it behind the scenes. This has been going on behind the scenes for a long while but now it is publicly evident from the quotes in the Washington Post article and tweets from Vivek Wadhwa (@wadhwa) in which he discusses how IEEE lobbyists are harrowing him. Just to clarify, Vivek himself is pro skilled immigration and highly supportive of our cause.
Why is an engineering organisation playing dirty politics and working against its membership? Time for membership to speak up against IEEE's two faced, dishonest position.

smp_king
01-13-2012, 01:36 PM
Vivek wadhwa supports the bill and he was just pointing out lobbying by ieee against the bill.

Here is the tweet from wadhwa.

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Why is IEEE lobbying so hard against the bill that removes per country limits? I'm sick of the emails from their lobbyists
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thomachan72
01-13-2012, 01:52 PM
Vivek wadhwa supports the bill and he was just pointing out lobbying by ieee against the bill.

Here is the tweet from wadhwa.

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Why is IEEE lobbying so hard against the bill that removes per country limits? I'm sick of the emails from their lobbyists
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Oops sorry I read Neelu's post incorrectly.
Regarding IEEE maybe their leaders are related to ROW? If only we had some slight news of progress our members will rise like another big sunami in supporting. Right now everybody is focussed on getting their applications in so that atleast an EAD would be at hand or they are waiting for the 23rd and to hear more about movments. I doubt more than a handful folks are sending emails daily. I personally dont know the benefits of sending daily emails to my senator/rep. Send multiple times and then stopped. Now am always trying to see if more friends join in. Our goal should be ensure that every EB3 and all EB2 (2008 Jan and above) should be a monthly donor by now. I have only joined for 6 months for now similarly our members could atleast join for 6 months. After that they can decide later to continue or not. :D

psychedelicNerd
01-13-2012, 02:08 PM
I agree. We should keep sending emails. I saw the fruits of it today and already contacted Pappu about it. It seemed redundant to me as well but I still continued. I will continue with the Action Items appropriately going forward as well.