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validIV
03-06-2009, 11:47 AM
Just read this at the local paper here in NYC (Daily News)

http://www.tomesparza.com/2009/02/18/mavni-recruitment-pilot/

MAVNI is a new program(only valid this year 2009). Guarantees US Citizenship if you qualify with one of the profession/language requirements and serve 4 years. I see a lot of Indians posting in IV so im assuming Hindi and maybe some parts of India speak Bengali also. Unfortunately, my language skills are not listed but hopefully this will benefit others.

The actual form signup is here:

https://www.goarmy.com/info/form/GetBrcFormRedirectByUrl.do?url=/info/mavni

validIV
03-06-2009, 11:54 AM
Ten Things About MAVNI Recruitment Program
February 23rd, 2009

The U.S Secretary of Defense Robert Gates signed a memorandum on November 25, 2008, authorizing the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air force to implement a new non-citizen recruitment pilot program for the United States Armed Forces. This program is called the ‘Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest’ (MAVNI), which allows certain non-citizens legally present in the United States to join the military and apply immediately for U.S citizenship without first obtaining lawful permanent residence. The aim of this program is to recruit health care professionals and persons speaking strategic languages. The recruitment process begins on February 23, 2009 in New York City.

1. Under this program, more legal aliens can enlist in the United States military.
2. Unauthorized aliens cannot enlist in the Army under this program.
3. The army is not sponsoring anyone for a visa or assisting anyone outside the United States to enter the US in order to enlist.
4. Persons who enlist under MAVNI can apply for US citizenship immediately even if they do not have lawful permanent resident status.
5. Persons who enlist under MAVNI will be fingerprinted and screened.
6. Health care professionals can go active duty or join the reserve, whereas language enlistees must sign a four- year active duty enlistment contract.
7. Language enlistees are eligible for more than eighty army jobs, whereas health care professionals will be recruited for specific specialties.
8. Citizenship can be revoked if a MAVNI enlistee fails to complete his or her enlistment.
9. The pilot program will end either on December 31, 2009, or when 100 qualified non-citizens have been recruited.
10. Interested persons can find more information on the Go Army website.

smangc
03-06-2009, 12:12 PM
I heard that only people who know any of Arabic languages and have not filed for green card quality .

gcnotfiledyet
03-06-2009, 12:25 PM
They will then ask nurses, doctors etc to fight on frontlines. US never gives its citizenship for free. They don't have enough people who want to work for army.

My simple question: Would you like to fight in Afghanistan/Iraq for citizenship?

Ennada
03-06-2009, 01:07 PM
They will then ask nurses, doctors etc to fight on frontlines. US never gives its citizenship for free. They don't have enough people who want to work for army.

My simple question: Would you like to fight in Afghanistan/Iraq for citizenship?

They have listed languages like Tamil and Malayalam. What would US army do with people with Tamil and Malayalam expertise in their Afghan or Iraq front ? To get more people to fight they must recruit non-immigrants with military background. There is something more to it which is obviously classified. Tamil........ I guess, they can use Tamil to gain more expertise on LTTE.....Malayalam ????? :confused:

validIV
03-06-2009, 01:22 PM
My simple question: Would you like to fight in Afghanistan/Iraq for citizenship?

They are not asking for grunts. They are asking for language or medical professionals. There are plenty of Americans who will fight the frontline that are already enlisted. What it looks like they are needing are valuable intel and support personnel–those capable of translation or tending to the wounded. I doubt you would be in harm's way most of the time. You would probably spend most of your career in a secure location (my opinion).

I have several friends in the Marine corp, ( just came back from Iraq) who saw no action. One did fort defense and the other did equipment repair. They never saw any fighting, did one tour each.

Granted this is not for everyone. If you are not willing to die for your home country, you will most certainly not be willing to die for the USA. As thus, this is not for you.

But this might interest other people who do consider or will consider the USA as their new home and are willing to die for it. In return, the army will embrace these people and give them citizenship in return.

a.j.2048
03-06-2009, 01:24 PM
Malayalam ?????

Maybe they are thinking ahead and want to get a handle on LeT / IM / SIMI members from Kerala. Other possibility is to act as interpreters for help hired from India and for the Middle East operations.

svr_76
03-06-2009, 01:27 PM
except they will post you in those places...for the next 4 years or more.... :-)
So eventaully the big US dreams of an Indian results in the Indian coming to US, joining its armed services, getting his citizenship while (s)he's serving and goes to stay in India to do intel/espionage on indians who are doing stuff that might be hurtfull for US (for sure) and for India (maybe).

gcnotfiledyet
03-06-2009, 01:27 PM
But this might interest other people who do consider or will consider the USA as their new home and are willing to die for it. In return, the army will embrace these people and give them citizenship in return.

Selling citizenship? You will always be at mercy of US army until you are dead.

Just remember what they did with Phillipines soldiers who fought for US against Japan in WWII. When economy went south they stripped them of citizenship and didn't give them any benefits. It is in this stimulus package (after 55yrs) that those soldiers received token compensation.

H1Girl
03-06-2009, 01:32 PM
Yes, CIA also comes under US Military. They may post some spys in India/Srilanka/London to gather intelligence information about India and Srilanka or militants who speak those languages

They have listed languages like Tamil and Malayalam. What would US army do with people with Tamil and Malayalam expertise in their Afghan or Iraq front ?

H1Girl
03-06-2009, 01:38 PM
US is known to play cheap tricks and this is one of such trick especially with Indians. I am sure this cheap trick won't attract that many applicants as 'US is a prosperous country' will become history soon.


My simple question: Would you like to fight in Afghanistan/Iraq for citizenship?

gcnotfiledyet
03-06-2009, 01:41 PM
Yes, CIA also comes under US Military. They may post some spys in India/Srilanka/London to gather intelligence information about India and Srilanka or militants who speak those languages

CIA and military are totally different organizations. Generally Pentagon, CIA, FBI do not even get along with each other. It was quite evident when CIA had bin laden in its cross hairs and military refused to help CIA. Also military will be totally separate governed by separate laws, separate courts etc.

On the other hand how much will they trust a guy who is ready to spy against his own country for citizenship?

JazzByTheBay
03-06-2009, 01:59 PM
The concept of country of origin as "own country" was abandoned when you left "your own country" and migrated to another country. :)

Had you not been stuck in the immigration quicksand, you would have received your green card by now and perhaps either applied for citizenship or may already have received citizenship as well.

Additionally, this program promises you citizenship at the time of application. You cannot be a citizen of 2 countries at the same time - you have to pledge allegiance to one.

jazz

CIA and military are totally different organizations. Generally Pentagon, CIA, FBI do not even get along with each other. It was quite evident when CIA had bin laden in its cross hairs and military refused to help CIA. Also military will be totally separate governed by separate laws, separate courts etc.

On the other hand how much will they trust a guy who is ready to spy against his own country for citizenship?

validIV
03-06-2009, 02:00 PM
On the other hand how much will they trust a guy who is ready to spy against his own country for citizenship?

Many people, especially here, are already guilty of betraying their home country by abandoning their natural citizenship. I do not know many countries that support dual citizenship, most countries are against it.

Greencard -> US Citizen = Loss of Natural citizenship in most countries, and most GC holders eventually do become citizens.

Don't think it matters to them how you get your US citizenship. What does matter is that you were willing to abandon your birth citizenship to obtain it.

bluekayal
03-06-2009, 02:37 PM
Tamil and Malayalam because many people work at the iraqi bases. food service etc.

H1Girl
03-06-2009, 02:58 PM
CIA and military are totally different organizations. Generally Pentagon, CIA, FBI do not even get along with each other. It was quite evident when CIA had bin laden in its cross hairs and military refused to help CIA. Also military will be totally separate governed by separate laws, separate courts etc.

On the other hand how much will they trust a guy who is ready to spy against his own country for citizenship?


I really mean the purpose is same for both of these organizations. Please don't try to take my comments as is but get the idea. If they are same what is the point of giving 2 names :)

As regards to not sharing the info between CIA, FBI etc as you mentioned above comes under usual politics which exists anywhere and everywhere in this world including our offices (eg: An employee knows something about the project which other employee in the same team may not know...Similary helping other team members etc)

rajeshalex
03-06-2009, 03:36 PM
Anyone has an idea what kind of jobs are these and salary? Are these translator jobs ?
I appreciate if someone can post more details.

Ennada
03-06-2009, 07:19 PM
Anyone has an idea what kind of jobs are these and salary? Are these translator jobs ?
I appreciate if someone can post more details.

(for the jokes) :D

I have some information:

US military personnel saw Rajni and Mithun Chakraborthy movies and wanted train US soldiers to do some their stunts. They were not able to understand what they said. So they need Tamil and Hindi translator. You will be paid with Rajni and Mithun movie tickets. Samja kya ???? .........Take it easy.

alex77
03-06-2009, 08:10 PM
US is known to play cheap tricks and this is one of such trick especially with Indians. I am sure this cheap trick won't attract that many applicants as 'US is a prosperous country' will become history soon.

Why so much contempt for a country where you want to be a permanent resident/citizen some day? What 'cheap trick' US played with you? If I were you, I will be grateful to the country where I earn my daily bread with respect and which my kid calls home country.

Anysia
03-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Ive read about this--my lawyer gave me a link. My first reaction was---"great! send the immigrants to war" but then again i didnt have all the info. from what I read, Non-immigrant statuses---E, F, H, I, J, K, L, M, O, P, Q, R, S,T, TC, TD, TN, U, V may be eligible..so thats a huge pool of non-immigrants right there! The Marines and the Navy are also planning to implement the same.

derekjbj
03-10-2009, 06:38 PM
In the US Army, anyone is a soldier first. And you obey orders. This means, even though u might think, Im being recruited to translate Hindi , Tamil , etc. You will end up in a tour of duty to Iraq or Afghanistan. When the need arises for a translator, you will be summoned.
Other than that, you will just join the army, pick a job and ship to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Note that there is a mandatory tour of duty clause in the enlistment contract. This means you will spend a year in Khyber Pass(Afghanistan) or Babylon (Iraq). This is one in a life time opportunity to see Afghanistan or Iraq up close, but thank god when you come home in one piece.

MAVNIman
03-20-2009, 09:18 PM
I submitted my documents for the MAVNI Program and my recruiter said he got an email from Homeland Security saying I need to update my I-94 card.
My visa expired in 2005 but I have had valid I-20s all the way and am currently on the 4th month of my OPT.

The last time I re-entered the USA was September 2002.

Could anyone please tell me what updating my I-94 means?

Thank you.

darcons
03-20-2009, 10:59 PM
Which recruiter did you go to? I am trying to find one that know how to handle these cases but I have not had any luck.
what city do you live in?

Thanks for inf.

Ravneetsingh
03-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Mavni man, I had submitted all my docs last week, I am also on OPT, my visa expired in 2008. Did u provide them with your OPT EAD card which clearly states u r in status? Also, doesn't your I94 states expiration date as D/S i.e. during status? I am still waiting to hear back from my recruiter, wud be very pissed if they tell me to get my visa stamped!! did u ask ur recruiter to elaborate ....are they still gonna process ur application...keep me updated, looks like we r in the same boat here!!

Ravneetsingh
03-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Which recruiter did you go to? I am trying to find one that know how to handle these cases but I have not had any luck.
what city do you live in?

Thanks for inf.

Are u trying to get in thru the linguistics or healthcare. Linguistic enlistemnt is only in NYC, for healthcare just google ur zip code and AMED recruiter, u'll get a list!

MAVNIman
03-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Mavni man, I had submitted all my docs last week, I am also on OPT, my visa expired in 2008. Did u provide them with your OPT EAD card which clearly states u r in status? Also, doesn't your I94 states expiration date as D/S i.e. during status? I am still waiting to hear back from my recruiter, wud be very pissed if they tell me to get my visa stamped!! did u ask ur recruiter to elaborate ....are they still gonna process ur application...keep me updated, looks like we r in the same boat here!!

Hey Ravneet,

I did provide them with a copy of my OPT EAD card. My I94 clearly states DS (there is no / but I assusme DS is the same as D/S) so I know it is valid for the duration of my studies.
Also, since Homeland Security just approved my EAD card recently, it seems wierd that they would bring up the I94 issue now. My recruiter did not know all that much about immigration policies. Not sure what to do next. I called my university and they said I have always been in lega F1 status and the update I94 issue makes no sense to them.

Does anyone know if you need a valid F1 visa (I know you need to be in valid F1 status which is connected to having a valid I20 and not a visa) to sign up under MAVNI?

Any response will be appreciated.

Ravneetsingh
03-21-2009, 01:51 AM
Hey Ravneet,

I did provide them with a copy of my OPT EAD card. My I94 clearly states DS (there is no / but I assusme DS is the same as D/S) so I know it is valid for the duration of my studies.
Also, since Homeland Security just approved my EAD card recently, it seems wierd that they would bring up the I94 issue now. My recruiter did not know all that much about immigration policies. Not sure what to do next. I called my university and they said I have always been in lega F1 status and the update I94 issue makes no sense to them.

Does anyone know if you need a valid F1 visa (I know you need to be in valid F1 status which is connected to having a valid I20 and not a visa) to sign up under MAVNI?

Any response will be appreciated.
that is weird and worrisome...now does ur I94 says F1 status on it too.. i mean did u last enter US as a F1, because if u change ur status in US ur I94 doesn't gets updated.

MAVNIman
03-21-2009, 06:00 AM
that is weird and worrisome...now does ur I94 says F1 status on it too.. i mean did u last enter US as a F1, because if u change ur status in US ur I94 doesn't gets updated.

Yeah...says F1 on the top right corner of my I-94 card. I was always F1.

Ravneetsingh
03-21-2009, 01:26 PM
Yeah...says F1 on the top right corner of my I-94 card. I was always F1.

I have no idea then, but I can assure u that its not ur expired visa. Visa is only for entry/re-entry, ur I94 and I20/EAD are the only valid proofs of ur being in status. If it was ur expired visa, they must have told u to get it re-stamped, why wud they say I94 if they meant visa, hope they ain't that dumb. Perhaps i wud also get the same response :( Also, how long did it take for u after u submitted ur CV and all docs to get a response from ur recruiter. I gave all my stuff almost 2 weeks ago, nothing yet!

MAVNIman
03-21-2009, 04:56 PM
My recruiter said it could take up to 1 month for a response but I got mine in about 1.5 weeks. Since very little is in the hands of recruiters, I would give it another few days and call and follow up.

kumarc123
03-21-2009, 10:11 PM
My recruiter said it could take up to 1 month for a response but I got mine in about 1.5 weeks. Since very little is in the hands of recruiters, I would give it another few days and call and follow up.

Guys why are you acting so naive?



I just had a cousin who was told they wont be recruiting them to middle east, as operations over their are decreasing


Guess what? Right after training they shipped her to middle east. They will put you on active training, I called these recruiters and then consulted, they are just lying about everything.

Stop being so desperate go back to India, work for a company and they take it from there. US army recruiters are subject to lying all the time.


Jaan hai to Jahaan hai.


If you want to fight, join Indian army, Don't fall for everything life offers, USE YOUR HEAD

axp817
03-21-2009, 11:04 PM
Guys why are you acting so naive?



I just had a cousin who was told they wont be recruiting them to middle east, as operations over their are decreasing


Guess what? Right after training they shipped her to middle east. They will put you on active training, I called these recruiters and then consulted, they are just lying about everything.

Stop being so desperate go back to India, work for a company and they take it from there. US army recruiters are subject to lying all the time.


Jaan hai to Jahaan hai.


If you want to fight, join Indian army, Don't fall for everything life offers, USE YOUR HEAD

Frankly, I am disgusted by your post. I usually tend not to waste my time replying to turds, but here, I felt like I had to.

We all have our own choices, and these people have made the honorable choice to join the US military and eventually become proud citizens of this great country. Mocking them, calling them naive, ridiculing their choice in life is disrespectful and uncalled for.

Oh, and there is no such thing as 'active training', it is 'active duty' that you refer to, and there is no question of recruiters luring recruits by withholding facts from them, the description for the MAVNI programs clearly states that language recruits have a 4 (or 5, one of the two) year active duty obligation. Applicants know this even before they apply/talk to a recruiter.

And whether someone should join the military in their home country instead of doing so in the US or not, is a VERY personal choice, none of us have the right to disrespect or question an individual's choice in such a matter.

MAVNIman, Ravneetsingh, derekjbj, darcons, and anyone else that is trying to join the military, I hope you succeed in doing so, you make us and this country proud.

I would like to personally express my gratitude to those that serve and protect this country in times of war and calamity.

Godspeed.

kumarc123
03-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Frankly, I am disgusted by your post. I usually tend not to waste my time replying to turds, but here, I felt like I had to.

We all have our own choices, and these people have made the honorable choice to join the US military and eventually become proud citizens of this great country. Mocking them, calling them naive, ridiculing their choice in life is disrespectful and uncalled for.

Oh, and there is no such thing as 'active training', it is 'active duty' that you refer to, and there is no question of recruiters luring recruits by withholding facts from them, the description for the MAVNI programs clearly states that language recruits have a 4 (or 5, one of the two) year active duty obligation. Applicants know this even before they apply/talk to a recruiter.

And whether someone should join the military in their home country instead of doing so in the US or not, is a VERY personal choice, none of us have the right to disrespect or question an individual's choice in such a matter.

MAVNIman, Ravneetsingh, derekjbj, darcons, and anyone else that is trying to join the military, I hope you succeed in doing so, you make us and this country proud.

I would like to personally express my gratitude to those that serve and protect this country in times of war and calamity.

Godspeed.

Listen to my you piece of CRAP who you calling a TURD?>


A holes like you push people to wrong choices.



Guys search google and see how many life's have been jeopardized with military

Guys please search on google about recruiters lying.


whoever this smart ass is, next time you want to comment about something, make sure you have facts right, if you want to comment go stand next to a pole and bark your stupidity.

Indians like you think they are smart and bark all day, let me guess you are one of the low life suckers in this country trying to teach everyone about joining military and risking their lives.

Guys do ample research and please speak to many recruiters, they are hiring only linguistics, active duty means you will be posted somewhere.


Good luck

Devils_Advocate
03-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Frankly, I am disgusted by your post. I usually tend not to waste my time replying to turds, but here, I felt like I had to.

We all have our own choices, and these people have made the honorable choice to join the US military and eventually become proud citizens of this great country. Mocking them, calling them naive, ridiculing their choice in life is disrespectful and uncalled for.

Oh, and there is no such thing as 'active training', it is 'active duty' that you refer to, and there is no question of recruiters luring recruits by withholding facts from them, the description for the MAVNI programs clearly states that language recruits have a 4 (or 5, one of the two) year active duty obligation. Applicants know this even before they apply/talk to a recruiter.

And whether someone should join the military in their home country instead of doing so in the US or not, is a VERY personal choice, none of us have the right to disrespect or question an individual's choice in such a matter.

MAVNIman, Ravneetsingh, derekjbj, darcons, and anyone else that is trying to join the military, I hope you succeed in doing so, you make us and this country proud.

I would like to personally express my gratitude to those that serve and protect this country in times of war and calamity.

Godspeed.

i totally and whole heartedly agree with you

Devils_Advocate
03-21-2009, 11:55 PM
Listen to my you piece of CRAP who you calling a TURD?>


A holes like you push people to wrong choices.



Guys search google and see how many life's have been jeopardized with military

Guys please search on google about recruiters lying.


whoever this smart ass is, next time you want to comment about something, make sure you have facts right, if you want to comment go stand next to a pole and bark your stupidity.

Indians like you think they are smart and bark all day, let me guess you are one of the low life suckers in this country trying to teach everyone about joining military and risking their lives.

Guys do ample research and please speak to many recruiters, they are hiring only linguistics, active duty means you will be posted somewhere.


Good luck

I take major offense to that, i come from a family where 3 immediate relatives including my father are serving the Indian armed forces, putting their lives on line for the benefit of their fellow citizens.

If the OP's here want to join the US military and serve the country (as they will then be american citizens serving) there is nothing wrong

All you do is sit on that fat-ass of yours and tell people what they need to do or not, and then reap benefits for their sacrifice. shame on you

these people know they will be on active duty for a period of a few years, the MAVNI very clearly states that.

I suggest you stick to earning your dollars and green-card and let these guys do what they want.

axp817
03-22-2009, 12:52 AM
Listen to my you piece of CRAP who you calling a TURD?>

okay, we're even

A holes like you push people to wrong choices.

No, I don't, I respect people's choices and don't ridicule/question them. Please read my post again.


Guys search google and see how many life's have been jeopardized with military

Every person in their right mind working for any type of law enforcement/defense agency knows that there is a certain amount of risk to life/limb involved. Nowhere in these posts will you find language that points to the posters' ignorance of this fact.

Guys please search on google about recruiters lying.

whoever this smart ass is, next time you want to comment about something, make sure you have facts right, if you want to comment go stand next to a pole and bark your stupidity.

?? To give you the benefit of doubt, I read my post again, twice, and couldn't find anything wrong with it.

Indians like you think they are smart and bark all day, let me guess you are one of the low life suckers in this country trying to teach everyone about joining military and risking their lives.

?? Sir, do you realize how empty your argument is? Actually, it isn't even an argument, it is an empty statement that doesn't make any sense.

Oh, and I am not trying to persuade anyone to do anything, I am respecting an individual's choice and expressing my respect for the people that make sacrifices so I don't have to.

Guys do ample research and please speak to many recruiters, they are hiring only linguistics, active duty means you will be posted somewhere.

Language specialists (it is linguists by the way, not linguistics) AND medical professionals, both, are eligible to apply for the MAVNI program.

Linguists only have the active duty option, medical professionals have the option to be in the reserves


Good luck

pffft

Ravneetsingh
03-22-2009, 02:48 PM
well, again this forum is for informative purposes, not to force ur judgments onto others. Its a shame to find such posts as by Kumarc123...do u think I dont know wat army means and wat wud be my job profile? thousands of young US citizens putting their life on stake for their country are A holes???:mad:, do they not know wat future beholds..they do it even though they are already US citizens. I am a RN, I respect the lifestyle, discipline and respect army, any country's army, get. I like to treat people on the verge, very critical. Wartime service has its own rewards, fulfilling beyond money or citizenship. U have ur opinions, but be thankful to ppl who make US a safer place. I am sure no one in ur family ever was in army, so u'll never understand. The point is if u can not provide any help, please move on, dont threadcrap. I am not sure why am i wasting time addressing u anyway, however, back to the original point, can somebdy provide insight on MAVNIman's issue as to wat possibly cud "update ur I94 means"? any help appreciates guys!

MAVNIman
03-23-2009, 03:28 AM
Frankly, I am disgusted by your post. I usually tend not to waste my time replying to turds, but here, I felt like I had to.

We all have our own choices, and these people have made the honorable choice to join the US military and eventually become proud citizens of this great country. Mocking them, calling them naive, ridiculing their choice in life is disrespectful and uncalled for.

Oh, and there is no such thing as 'active training', it is 'active duty' that you refer to, and there is no question of recruiters luring recruits by withholding facts from them, the description for the MAVNI programs clearly states that language recruits have a 4 (or 5, one of the two) year active duty obligation. Applicants know this even before they apply/talk to a recruiter.

And whether someone should join the military in their home country instead of doing so in the US or not, is a VERY personal choice, none of us have the right to disrespect or question an individual's choice in such a matter.

MAVNIman, Ravneetsingh, derekjbj, darcons, and anyone else that is trying to join the military, I hope you succeed in doing so, you make us and this country proud.

I would like to personally express my gratitude to those that serve and protect this country in times of war and calamity.

Godspeed.

Thank you for your encouragement apx817. I appreciate it.

kumarc, I just want to be clear on one thing here. I am not desperate. I am currently working in a full time job making $30/hour in the high technology industry in San Fransisco. I can stay with my company and eventually get a greencard through legal process.

The reason I want to do this is that I have lived in the USA for 8 years (undergrad + grad school through full scholarship in Engineering+ work) now and love this country. Not just the greenback but what America stands for. I am a follower of American literature and American history. Also, my girlfriend of 6 years is also American and I can also get citizenship through marriage. However, I feel the best way for me to gain citizenship here is to serve this country. I want to one day work for the DoD and my service will give me a ramp up to this dream.

I understand that you care about people and do not want to see any of us die in war. I appreciate your opinion but if I am cleared for this program, I am going to serve. In fact I am praying hard that I do get cleared.

Ravneetsingh
03-23-2009, 11:36 PM
Thank you for your encouragement apx817. I appreciate it.

kumarc, I just want to be clear on one thing here. I am not desperate. I am currently working in a full time job making $30/hour in the high technology industry in San Fransisco. I can stay with my company and eventually get a greencard through legal process.

The reason I want to do this is that I have lived in the USA for 8 years (undergrad + grad school through full scholarship in Engineering+ work) now and love this country. Not just the greenback but what America stands for. I am a follower of American literature and American history. Also, my girlfriend of 6 years is also American and I can also get citizenship through marriage. However, I feel the best way for me to gain citizenship here is to serve this country. I want to one day work for the DoD and my service will give me a ramp up to this dream.

I understand that you care about people and do not want to see any of us die in war. I appreciate your opinion but if I am cleared for this program, I am going to serve. In fact I am praying hard that I do get cleared.

So, were u able to find out wat 194 update means? Also, are you trying to enlist as a healthcare professional or a language enlistee....not that it makes any difference, i am just curious. pls keep us updated, while I patiently await a word from my recruiter...:(

dummgelauft
03-24-2009, 02:43 PM
Listen to my you piece of CRAP who you calling a TURD?>


A holes like you push people to wrong choices.



Guys search google and see how many life's have been jeopardized with military

Guys please search on google about recruiters lying.


whoever this smart ass is, next time you want to comment about something, make sure you have facts right, if you want to comment go stand next to a pole and bark your stupidity.

Indians like you think they are smart and bark all day, let me guess you are one of the low life suckers in this country trying to teach everyone about joining military and risking their lives.

Guys do ample research and please speak to many recruiters, they are hiring only linguistics, active duty means you will be posted somewhere.


Good luck

Hey, If you donlt like what you see, just shut up. The fact is always of supply and demand. The US armed forces need a skill set that many immigrants/non-immigrants have. So what is wrong with them hold out a carrot to the people who want a fast track to Citizenship.
I will be honored to serve with the US defence forces, anywhere, anytime, in any capacity.
And not everybody in a Uniform gets the honor of holding a gun and going fight. There are more support functions than combat elements. It takes 3 to 4 support personnel to keep one soldier on the front lines, understood.
If you are so scared of dying on the battlefront, let me tell you something, your chances of getting in to a bad accident driving to work are more than being shot at by an Iraqi or Afghan terrorist.
So STFU and go do your job, or hide en tu casa. :mad:

axp817
03-24-2009, 03:28 PM
Looks like it is time for the moderators to step in.

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Looks like it is time for the moderators to step in.

I agree with you,

I apologize for my words, I should have quoted them better. Lets not pass judgment without thinking.

I just didn't feel people should risk their lives, as life is very special, i know it better cause i have lost some closed ones.


The carrot always look good from a distance, but sometimes it can have a bitter taste.

Good luck to all

Ravneetsingh
03-24-2009, 03:54 PM
moving on, would somebdy care to address mavniman's query
"I submitted my documents for the MAVNI Program and my recruiter said he got an email from Homeland Security saying I need to update my I-94 card.
My visa expired in 2005 but I have had valid I-20s all the way and am currently on the 4th month of my OPT.

The last time I re-entered the USA was September 2002.

Could anyone please tell me what updating my I-94 means?"

any idea wat could updating I94 mean? from wat i can figure out, his i94 was last stamped in 2002, has there been an update in I94 cards since then?:confused:

MAVNIman
03-24-2009, 04:16 PM
moving on, would somebdy care to address mavniman's query
"I submitted my documents for the MAVNI Program and my recruiter said he got an email from Homeland Security saying I need to update my I-94 card.
My visa expired in 2005 but I have had valid I-20s all the way and am currently on the 4th month of my OPT.

The last time I re-entered the USA was September 2002.

Could anyone please tell me what updating my I-94 means?"

any idea wat could updating I94 mean? from wat i can figure out, his i94 was last stamped in 2002, has there been an update in I94 cards since then?:confused:

Ravneet thank you for bringing the topic back on course. I was wondering the same thing.
My last I-94 card was stamped by INS and not by the DHS (since it did not exist prior to 2003). So I am wondering if I need to send in the card for DHS to stamp it.

Also, I found out that they have 470 slots left for language specialists. So we have time, do not panic.

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 04:24 PM
Ravneet thank you for bringing the topic back on course. I was wondering the same thing.
My last I-94 card was stamped by INS and not by the DHS (since it did not exist prior to 2003). So I am wondering if I need to send in the card for DHS to stamp it.

Also, I found out that they have 470 slots left for language specialists. So we have time, do not panic.

Other thing I checked was they will test the writing and reading language skills
person has to be in us for a longer period of time, fresh F1 cannot apply
Also take physical test to clear

No guarantee on being shipped to war zone, cannot guarantee on paper

Ravneetsingh
03-24-2009, 04:37 PM
HERE (http://drop.io/hf4xwak/asset/stock-mavni-2-22-09-pdf)is all the basic eligibility info.
pls read b4 discouraging fellow aspirants....also there is a basic medical screening, not any physical ability test,That comes in later once u have already been recruited, the eligibilty test is very easy at least for any indian national who has been here after giving GRE/SAT. U have to be in US for atleast 2 yrs prior to enlistment.

Mavniman: I am trying to get in through the healthcare channel, would u happen to know how many nursing slots are still vacant?

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 04:46 PM
HERE (http://drop.io/hf4xwak/asset/stock-mavni-2-22-09-pdf)is all the basic eligibility info.
pls read b4 discouraging fellow aspirants....also there is a basic medical screening, not any physical ability test,That comes in later once u have already been recruited, the eligibilty test is very easy at least for any indian national who has been here after giving GRE/SAT. U have to be in US for atleast 2 yrs prior to enlistment.

Mavniman: I am trying to get in through the healthcare channel, would u happen to know how many nursing slots are still vacant?

I am not discouraging people,
what is your problem?"??/

I spoke to recruiter ok, there is no guarantee on being sent to war zone

My cousin finished her training and guess what? First thing she was ordered to goto Afghanistan

You sign 4 year contract, they send send you wherever they feel

and right now they need linguistics in Afghanistan


And yes if you decide to go AWOL, you will be out behind bar, breaking army rules is a major fellony


WHY DON'T YOU TELL THIS TO PEOPLE, FOR 4 YEARS YOU BELONG TO THEM< THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY FEEL, Send you wherever , my cousin was just sent, why don't you ask people to Google the truth behind recruiters lying to people.


Next time, check your facts MS NURSE or MR NURSE>
Also NURSE ? AND YOU TELLING OTHER PEOPLE IT"S A SAFE WAY! SO YOU STAY BEHIND AND SEND OTHER PEOPLE TO FRONT LINE TO DIE>

I SPOKE TO SOMEONE WHO TOOK THIS ROUTE AND GOT CITIZENSHIP< THEY SENT IMMIGRANTS TO FRONT LINE


HAVE YOUR FACT STRAIGHT

AND DONT PM OR POST Anything, GET A LIFE
IV MEMBERS ARE LIKE FAMILY< LET THEM KNOW THE TRUTH

Ravneetsingh
03-24-2009, 04:52 PM
I am not discouraging people,
what is your problem?"??/

I spoke to recruiter ok, there is no guarantee on being sent to war zone

My cousin finished her training and guess what? First thing she was ordered to goto Afghanistan

You sign 4 year contract, they send send you wherever they feel

and right now they need linguistics in Afghanistan


And yes if you decide to go AWOL, you will be out behind bar, breaking army rules is a major fellony


WHY DON'T YOU TELL THIS TO PEOPLE, FOR 4 YEARS YOU BELONG TO THEM< THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY FEEL, Send you wherever , my cousin was just sent, why don't you ask people to Google the truth behind recruiters lying to people.


Next time, check your facts MS NURSE or MR NURSE>
Also NURSE ? AND YOU TELLING OTHER PEOPLE IT"S A SAFE WAY! SO YOU STAY BEHIND AND SEND OTHER PEOPLE TO FRONT LINE TO DIE>

I SPOKE TO SOMEONE WHO TOOK THIS ROUTE AND GOT CITIZENSHIP< THEY SENT IMMIGRANTS TO FRONT LINE


HAVE YOUR FACT STRAIGHT

AND DONT PM OR POST Anything, GET A LIFE
IV MEMBERS ARE LIKE FAMILY< LET THEM KNOW THE TRUTH

pfffft:p

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 04:53 PM
YOU are a genetic idiot


damn nurse< go clean asses in the army


SINGH? I UNDERSTAND YOUR LIMITATIONS

Green.Tech
03-24-2009, 05:01 PM
YOU are a genetic idiot


damn nurse< go clean asses in the army


SINGH? I UNDERSTAND YOUR LIMITATIONS

kumarc123 - Please be civil. This is a public forum; your past few comments were uncalled for!

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 05:03 PM
This was a reaction a stupid action from this guy who iis spreading incomplete information in absence of any facts.

Green.Tech
03-24-2009, 05:06 PM
This was a reaction a stupid action from this guy who iis spreading incomplete information in absence of any facts.

As far as I understand, these guys are not spreading any information. They are here discussing issues that they are facing for a particulat path they chose to take. It's their decision (which I am proud of) and their life. Please let it be!

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 05:12 PM
As far as I understand, these guys are not spreading any information. They are here discussing issues that they are facing for a particulat path they chose to take. It's their decision (which I am proud of) and their life. Please let it be!

True,
But one should discuss something with honest facts, one should express opinions which curtails facts and reality. And not just throw out information which has no context.


Anyways you understand me better,


Thanks for your input


D

joydiptac
03-24-2009, 05:38 PM
Thank you for your encouragement apx817. I appreciate it.

kumarc, I just want to be clear on one thing here. I am not desperate. I am currently working in a full time job making $30/hour in the high technology industry in San Fransisco. I can stay with my company and eventually get a greencard through legal process.

The reason I want to do this is that I have lived in the USA for 8 years (undergrad + grad school through full scholarship in Engineering+ work) now and love this country. Not just the greenback but what America stands for. I am a follower of American literature and American history. Also, my girlfriend of 6 years is also American and I can also get citizenship through marriage. However, I feel the best way for me to gain citizenship here is to serve this country. I want to one day work for the DoD and my service will give me a ramp up to this dream.

I understand that you care about people and do not want to see any of us die in war. I appreciate your opinion but if I am cleared for this program, I am going to serve. In fact I am praying hard that I do get cleared.

MAVNIman, I respect you for your honorable decision. Nay sayers, this is a choice a decision based out of some beliefs and ideology. In fact I am slightly jelous of MAVNIman. At 36, with responsibility of a family, is not the ideal time to enlist nor will they accept a 200lb software slob. :(
I understand and respect your thoughts and your choice to pledge allegiance to US. Which most GC holders do eventually anyway.

My grandfather, who I never met was an anti-fascist, was one of the few Indians in RAF, said to have made some damage to the Nazis in WWII and was awarded the queens cross or something in that order, he got shot down in France and luckily survived. When India became independent he chose to join the nascent Indian Airforce. The point is, he was not any less patriotic towards India, is proven by the fact that my grandmother (grandaughter of freedom fighter Bagha Jatin) married him.

America stands for freedom, for democracy, for civilization and the great life that we love to live. To fight against the terrorists and terror abating states is a great opportunity and is a good deed towards humanity. It is an opportunity to serve on the side of the "Good guys" and kick some "bad guy" asses. :cool:

Anyhow, now that Obama is here, probably US will pull out of Iraq and Afganisthan. So for all you know you may never get a chance to really fight the terrorists. Too bad, but atleast you will get your citizenship and maybe your dream to hold a high post in the DoD. :)

kumarc123
03-24-2009, 05:43 PM
MAVNIman, I respect you for your honorable decision. Nay sayers, this is a choice a decision based out of some beliefs and ideology. In fact I am slightly jelous of MAVNIman. At 36, with responsibility of a family, is not the ideal time to enlist nor will they accept a 200lb software slob. :(
I understand and respect your thoughts and your choice to pledge allegiance to US. Which most GC holders do eventually anyway.

My grandfather, who I never met was an anti-fascist, was one of the few Indians in RAF, said to have made some damage to the Nazis in WWII and was awarded the queens cross or something in that order, he got shot down in France and luckily survived. When India became independent he chose to join the nascent Indian Airforce. The point is, he was not any less patriotic towards India, is proven by the fact that my grandmother (grandaughter of freedom fighter Bagha Jatin) married him.

America stands for freedom, for democracy, for civilization and the great life that we love to live. To fight against the terrorists and terror abating states is a great opportunity and is a good deed towards humanity. It is an opportunity to serve on the side of the "Good guys" and kick some "bad guy" asses. :cool:

Anyhow, now that Obama is here, probably US will pull out of Iraq and Afganisthan. So for all you know you may never get a chance to really fight the terrorists. Too bad, but atleast you will get your citizenship and maybe your dream to hold a high post in the DoD. :)

DID OBAMA call you? To discuss we wont be going on war and will be out?


We all know politicians say something and does something else? Lets not trust their words.


Do you think army is like a walk in the park?

Green.Tech
03-24-2009, 05:46 PM
MAVNIman, I respect you for your honorable decision. Nay sayers, this is a choice a decision based out of some beliefs and ideology. In fact I am slightly jelous of MAVNIman. At 36, with responsibility of a family, is not the ideal time to enlist nor will they accept a 200lb software slob. :(
I understand and respect your thoughts and your choice to pledge allegiance to US. Which most GC holders do eventually anyway.

My grandfather, who I never met was an anti-fascist, was one of the few Indians in RAF, said to have made some damage to the Nazis in WWII and was awarded the queens cross or something in that order, he got shot down in France and luckily survived. When India became independent he chose to join the nascent Indian Airforce. The point is, he was not any less patriotic towards India, is proven by the fact that my grandmother (grandaughter of freedom fighter Bagha Jatin) married him.

America stands for freedom, for democracy, for civilization and the great life that we love to live. To fight against the terrorists and terror abating states is a great opportunity and is a good deed towards humanity. It is an opportunity to serve on the side of the "Good guys" and kick some "bad guy" asses. :cool:

Anyhow, now that Obama is here, probably US will pull out of Iraq and Afganisthan. So for all you know you may never get a chance to really fight the terrorists. Too bad, but atleast you will get your citizenship and maybe your dream to hold a high post in the DoD. :)

Ditto, on the desire to do the right thing!

MAVNIman
03-24-2009, 06:07 PM
Other thing I checked was they will test the writing and reading language skills
person has to be in us for a longer period of time, fresh F1 cannot apply
Also take physical test to clear

No guarantee on being shipped to war zone, cannot guarantee on paper

- They will indeed conduct a language test to ensure you speak the language you profess on the form.
- When you enlist you will almost certainly be deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. It is naive to think that after you join an army at war you will get to sit on a desk in Maryland and do paperwork.
- This program is not for everyone. Understand clearly that you are joining an army at war that needs linguists and doctors. I consider this a great opportunity as I love the USA and this is a chance for me to serve this country and gain my citizenship respectfully. If you feel the same way, this is the right program for you, in fact a rare opportunity at that.

MAVNIman
03-24-2009, 06:26 PM
HERE (http://drop.io/hf4xwak/asset/stock-mavni-2-22-09-pdf)is all the basic eligibility info.
pls read b4 discouraging fellow aspirants....also there is a basic medical screening, not any physical ability test,That comes in later once u have already been recruited, the eligibilty test is very easy at least for any indian national who has been here after giving GRE/SAT. U have to be in US for atleast 2 yrs prior to enlistment.

Mavniman: I am trying to get in through the healthcare channel, would u happen to know how many nursing slots are still vacant?

Ravneet, I am not sure about the nursing slots. I do know that around 333 of the 1000 slots are reserved for healthcare professionals. But I have a feeling medical/dental/nursing slots will be filling up soon since:
1) Healthcare professionals can be recruited from anywhere in the country, not just NYC.
2) They will pay off your medical loan once you qualify and enlist.
3) It is far safer to be a healthcare professional than a linguist in the army. Healthcare professionals, even when deployed, will almost always be stationed at base (other than on field medics).
This is just what I think, not facts. However, looking at the flip side you have to be a licensed healthcare professional and so there might be a smaller pool of people to choose from.

So if you are determined on joining call your recruiter by Monday and ask for progress.

Ravneetsingh
03-25-2009, 03:09 AM
Ravneet, I am not sure about the nursing slots. I do know that around 333 of the 1000 slots are reserved for healthcare professionals. But I have a feeling medical/dental/nursing slots will be filling up soon since:
1) Healthcare professionals can be recruited from anywhere in the country, not just NYC.
2) They will pay off your medical loan once you qualify and enlist.
3) It is far safer to be a healthcare professional than a linguist in the army. Healthcare professionals, even when deployed, will almost always be stationed at base (other than on field medics).
This is just what I think, not facts. However, looking at the flip side you have to be a licensed healthcare professional and so there might be a smaller pool of people to choose from.

So if you are determined on joining call your recruiter by Monday and ask for progress.
Just an update, I did call up my recruiter today evening, he asked for an authorization from me for the DoD to check my immigration records, he said its a new thing. My CV has been sent for review, so has been my immigration docs. so its wait n watch for me for a while now. Also, I happen to be fluent in 2 languages listed for mavni, so i am kinda qualified for all the 1000 slots, wherever i find a spot, i'll take it.;)
Mavniman, this is a pilot project as u might already be aware of, here's hoping it gets expanded to 14,000 recruits next year, which is what they have set as the annual quota if they find enough interest amongst applicants this year. so we still have a shot, this year or next!

derekjbj
03-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Guys ,
This program is interesting at best. One issue that especially Indian citizens and citizens of other countries that do not recognize dual citizenship must know. That is, your US citizenship could be revoked if you do not meet the active duty time requirements.
It is still unclear to me what happens if you are not able to serve the time due to a medical or an emergency reason.
If your US citizenship is revoked, you might be a stateless person (without any citizenship), as India (my current citizenship) doesnt recognize dual citizenship, and you cease to be a citizen of India once you are awarded US citizenship, This is a serious possible consequence of enrolling in this program.
Yes, you can apply for OCI as soon as you get your US passport, but everything takes time.
You cannot be deported to India, as you will be a stateless person.

validIV
03-25-2009, 01:32 PM
I myself am jealous of anyone who is able to qualify for this program because I clearly do not. If I had the choice to join any army of my choice, I would pick the most modern, most technically advanced and the most powerful military organization in the world. And this is the right country for that.

You are giving 4 years of service for a lifetime of benefits, including citizenship. Reminds me of starship troopers.

MAVNIman
03-25-2009, 02:02 PM
I myself am jealous of anyone who is able to qualify for this program because I clearly do not. If I had the choice to join any army of my choice, I would pick the most modern, most technically advanced and the most powerful military organization in the world. And this is the right country for that.

You are giving 4 years of service for a lifetime of benefits, including citizenship. Reminds me of starship troopers.

Here's hoping a giant bug does not gnaw off my head in Afghanistan !! :)

axp817
03-25-2009, 02:08 PM
I myself am jealous of anyone who is able to qualify for this program because I clearly do not. If I had the choice to join any army of my choice, I would pick the most modern, most technically advanced and the most powerful military organization in the world. And this is the right country for that.

You are giving 4 years of service for a lifetime of benefits, including citizenship. Reminds me of starship troopers.

+1, couldn't have said it any better.

Devils_Advocate
03-25-2009, 02:17 PM
Here's hoping a giant bug does not gnaw off my head in Afghanistan !! :)
To all you guys applying for the MAVNI, i wish you all the best from the bottom of my heart.
As ive stated earlier i come from a military background with three immediate relatives (including my father) serving the indian armed forces and two of them are currently serving as three star generals equivalent.

Armed forces runs in my blood but unfortunately due to personal reasons i could never be a part of it. trust me wether you plan to stay on permanent or just finish your tenure , this will be a life changing experience you'll cherish for the rest of your life.

Dont let people discourage you, they obviously don't see life through the eyes of a soldier. :)

Wish you all the best and may you serve the country well.

MAVNIman
03-25-2009, 02:37 PM
Just got an update. So it has come down to this:

An army lawyer looked at my case and said the problem is not with my I-94 but rather with my I-20. She said I should send a more updated I-20. So I had my OPT I-20 signed by the International Student Services at my University. They also said they would provide a letter stating that I have always been and still am in valid F1 status.

I am hoping this will resolve all issues and enable me to go ahead with the process.

Ravneetsingh
03-25-2009, 06:14 PM
Just got an update. So it has come down to this:

An army lawyer looked at my case and said the problem is not with my I-94 but rather with my I-20. She said I should send a more updated I-20. So I had my OPT I-20 signed by the International Student Services at my University. They also said they would provide a letter stating that I have always been and still am in valid F1 status.

I am hoping this will resolve all issues and enable me to go ahead with the process.

Hmmm...my I-20 expired on june 1 2008, thats when my OPT started as stated on my EAD card. What do you mean by OPT I-20?:confused:

MAVNIman
03-25-2009, 08:38 PM
OPT I-20 = The I-20 that has your OPT dates written on it on page 3.

Also when is the last time you got your OPT I-20 signed?

gvenkat
03-25-2009, 09:41 PM
I myself am jealous of anyone who is able to qualify for this program because I clearly do not. If I had the choice to join any army of my choice, I would pick the most modern, most technically advanced and the most powerful military organization in the world. And this is the right country for that.

You are giving 4 years of service for a lifetime of benefits, including citizenship. Reminds me of starship troopers.

If you have a life after 4 years that is. :)

Kurious
04-08-2009, 03:28 AM
Hey guys, newbie here on this forum.

I applied for MAVNI on March 25th and still waiting to hear from them. I had no idea that it was for 4 years. I have some questions...

1. One of the requirements for this program is that you cannot be outside the U.S. more than 90 days within the 2 years of stay. I happened to have exceeded that twice in both years (Summer breaks from my university are typically 3 1/2 months). I know that this is a requirement, but as I am an international student, I have to earn money to pay some part of my tuition. The first year, I cannot stay in America and work because I have to have 2 years of school in order to get CPT hence the long summer break. The second year during summer break, I got married. Would this info (being outside the U.S. over 90 days) this disqualify me right away? I am not here in America with full scholarship putting me in a financial disadvantage during summer breaks and I have no choice, but to return to my country in order to make money.

2. As some have mentioned, I would not see how some languages would play in Iraq/ Afghanistan. So, do all MAVNI recruited members end up there or are they stationed in the country respective to the language they are fluent in?

3. This question goes directly to MAVNIman:
What happens to the spouse eps. if she is also non-national? She is not interested in obtaining citizenship, but would she receive some benefits as well?

4. During the process of this program, if I were to drop out before officially being contracted, how would this affect my future application for a GC and later, citizenship?

Thanks in advance.

TexasGuy07
04-15-2009, 07:28 PM
One thing I'm curious about is how did those people who got in already (the ones all over the news, the lucky 52, lol) got processed so fast? I mean, from the time the whole thing began, to their swearing in ceremony there was less than a month! What was so special about them? And MAVNIMAN, I feel your pain, so keep us updated on the progress! And also, does anyone have ANY information on how the whole proccess works? I mean how the application gets proccessed? :confused: Because from what I know is once it gets to the recruiter, its next steps are kind of vague. Any info will be appreciated. Oh, and finally, I just wanted to clarify something: when people say "APPLY", do they mean filling out that initial question form on the website, or actually submitting paperwork directly to the recruiter? The reason I'm asking is, as MAVNIMAN pointed out, he got his reponse within a few weeks after submitting paperwork. Yet KURIOUS has been waiting for almost a month... Thanks

ichigo85
04-16-2009, 01:21 AM
Hi Guys,

I am kind of new here. But I will like to share as much as information as I know about this program. if this helps u guys out, Great!

Well the process is something like this --- and this came out straight from the mouth of the recruiter. He asked me to visit the local army recruiting center and take some exam, which I passed (it was a simple math & English exam ---10th grader). Next the recruiter will send you few forms like sf86, MAVNI letter or intent. And you have to send these back with all the information like copy Passport, visa, I-20 & i-94 (in case of F1 Students, which is my case), EAD, SSN, DL (driving license, if you have any).

Once you send them, it should take 4-5 business days. I am not sure whether this is true because, I have not yet reached that stage. But I will keep you guys updated. However, the recruiter told me, if my application is approved, I will have to go to NY to take the exam - OPL (i suppose-- correct me if i am wrong), Language proficiency and finally Physical. No matter where you live in US....the language program of MAVNI is only accessible from NY. Hence this means one has to go to NY to take part in this exam. if you clear the exam, they will take few business days and if everything goes well, they will make you meet career counselor and offer you the contract.

That's what I know about this program. if I get any more inforatin, I will keep you guys updated. :D

ichigo85
04-16-2009, 01:24 AM
2. As some have mentioned, I would not see how some languages would play in Iraq/ Afghanistan. So, do all MAVNI recruited members end up there or are they stationed in the country respective to the language they are fluent in?



What I heard from the recruiter that "DON'T CONSIDER THIS JOB AS A TRANSLATOR JOB". :o

sganny
04-16-2009, 03:06 AM
some links related to MAVNI

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-13-voa18.cfm

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ab-usmilitary&tid=98375

ichigo85
04-16-2009, 02:09 PM
https://ask.usarec.army.mil/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=118758&tstart=15

punjabi77
04-16-2009, 03:42 PM
Is there an Age Limit?
What kind of questions are asked in the ASVAB test?

smangc
04-16-2009, 04:32 PM
I heard this whole MAVNI process is currently on HOLD is this true.....if so for how long???

spymatrix
04-20-2009, 06:11 PM
Well sadly DHS has put the program on hold. They are looking at the languages again. I have passed the ASVAB and everything. Only thing was to be enrolled. i was a week too late. Well have to wait and see whats next.

ichigo85
04-23-2009, 06:52 PM
Guys,

Any Updates on the MAVNI program?

kumarc123
04-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Guys,

Any Updates on the MAVNI program?

The program is on hold for now. Also I heard they will conduct language test, should know how to speak and write any of the languages fluently. Recruiter told me they will commence the program after July, look like a lot is going to happen in july.

spymatrix
04-23-2009, 08:02 PM
Well That is very true. You have to take the test / read / write / speak with no english words @ all. Its called the OPI test. Thats the last test. if you get this done your only have to enroll. My OPI test would be somewhere in may. Hoping this goes ok.

Remember you need the ASVAB test 50 or more just to pass.

good luck

TexasGuy07
04-24-2009, 10:25 AM
Guys,

Any Updates on the MAVNI program?


As far as I know the program is still going. did you hear anything from your recruiter? Because in most cases the way they process things, and overall timelines are pretty similar for everyone.

TexasGuy07
04-24-2009, 10:34 AM
I just wanted to point out a few things. The rumors that the program was put on hold were, in part, true. The only reason it happened was because a larger number of applicants droped out after they realized that they will be shipped overseas. If you read official release about this program (NOT the 2 page one, that can be found all over the internet) but the one released to immigration lawyers) or talk to a recruiter privately, you'll kearn that people enlisted under this program will go to either Iraq of Afghanistan with a 95% certainty. I'm absolutely fine with that, and would go anywhere the army would decide to send me (thats the point of being in one: you follow orders, and dont choose whether you feel like doing something or not), but there is a reason why they had so many initial applications and yet only a few people get approved (and yes, I realize that some get disqualified due to paperwork problems). So if you are not fully sure about it, or dont have your heart 100% in it, think twice before simply applying to get citizenship: if you read closely, you'll have to sign a 4 (or 6) - year contract, and failure to fulfill it will result in forfeiting your citizenship.

spymatrix
04-24-2009, 01:04 PM
If you are sent over seas you will have to go. Yet it all depends on your job as well.

They are processing alright. yet they dont enrol you till they have the GO... I mean i am all done with the process. Yet Its on hold for one test.

jthomas
04-24-2009, 07:41 PM
Guys why are you acting so naive?



I just had a cousin who was told they wont be recruiting them to middle east, as operations over their are decreasing


Guess what? Right after training they shipped her to middle east. They will put you on active training, I called these recruiters and then consulted, they are just lying about everything.

Stop being so desperate go back to India, work for a company and they take it from there. US army recruiters are subject to lying all the time.


Jaan hai to Jahaan hai.


If you want to fight, join Indian army, Don't fall for everything life offers, USE YOUR HEAD

If you are highly skilled immigrant please work where you can use your abilities. don't look for short term gains towards long term rewards. Writing a 10th level exam and working with them won't give you any satisfaction in life. If you are doing this just for citizenship. I hope you would come back from Iraq or Afganistan for that. i have had a Chief engineer who served in miltrary for more than 10+ years, he was laid off from work because of his abilities. Regarding his personal life he is going to marry 5 th time.

Every country has their rules, If the country is has done or will do something good for you then you need to oblique. Lets the US citizens first take part in this, then those people who have stayed illegally for major portion of their life and then you guys should take part.

Just to get citizenship this is not a good choice. Better way apply for candian PR and work there. Feel satisfied for every day you work!!

I don't know if any anti's are taking part in this thread.

Please think,
1. Would you be satisfied for risking your life for a country where you have not lived the major portion of your life.
2. Will you be satisfied working with 10th level people.
3. Will your parents (or loved ones) would be happy to live without you. (Most of them can strave one time meal but would still love to be with you).
4. Are you willing to continue with unsatisfied family life. Like the one i explained above.

Please think about your life before doing something. If my native country would call me to join the army i would do it because i have lived a major part of my life there. I would risk my life for my country where i lived as a citizen not for any other country.

smangc
04-25-2009, 06:50 PM
MAVNI is opened from yesterday after hold for one week.

Got enlisted yesterday evening in NY.

Process:

1-> Call army recruiter in NY
2-> You need to mention that you are willing to come to NY on your own expenses
3-> You need to take short test and this will be sent to recruiter
4-> We need to send all documents for DHS verification ( 1 -2 weeks)
5-> After DHS verification recruiter will schedule ASVAB ( We need to get good score
to get good MOS( Military Occupation Specialty) - nothing but type of job
Min: 50% to pass
6-> We need to take language test ( OPI test) , results in 2-3 days
7-> After OPI State and other police verification ( 1 week)
8-> Finally hotel and physical exam and we need to choose job
9-> FBI finger printing and Oath of enlistment ...Hurray!!
10-> Shipment date will be provided...Hurray!!!!!

I heard many are applying based on conversation with recruiters in NY....thought this will be useful for many in this forums.

ichigo85
04-25-2009, 08:52 PM
MAVNI is opened from yesterday after hold for one week.

Got enlisted yesterday evening in NY.

Process:

1-> Call army recruiter in NY
2-> You need to mention that you are willing to come to NY on your own expenses
3-> You need to take short test and this will be sent to recruiter
4-> We need to send all documents for DHS verification ( 1 -2 weeks)
5-> After DHS verification recruiter will schedule ASVAB ( We need to get good score
to get good MOS( Military Occupation Specialty) - nothing but type of job
Min: 50% to pass
6-> We need to take language test ( OPI test) , results in 2-3 days
7-> After OPI State and other police verification ( 1 week)
8-> Finally hotel and physical exam and we need to choose job
9-> FBI finger printing and Oath of enlistment ...Hurray!!
10-> Shipment date will be provided...Hurray!!!!!

I heard many are applying based on conversation with recruiters in NY....thought this will be useful for many in this forums.

Hi,

What I want to know is that - DO you get the options of MOS before signing the contract or after signing?

What MOS did u select?

Please let us know.:confused:

Thanks

smangc
04-25-2009, 09:59 PM
Before signing the contract we need to select MOS. It all depends on what score we get in ASVAB and what are available positions.

kumarc123
04-25-2009, 10:36 PM
Before signing the contract we need to select MOS. It all depends on what score we get in ASVAB and what are available positions.

DUDE I have spoken to the recruiter, MOS is just a formality,your specialization. And as a translator you will have to do the assigned job. if they need you at front level they will put you there.


I spoke to my step parents back home, and they said it is a stupid idea as they ( parents) will be worrying day and night back home. According to them India is growing, and there don't have to worry about mortgage, might as well move back for a few years or go to Canada.

Not worth to be selfish to stress out the old folks, plus it is a 4 year active duty contract, and another year or so. War is not over yet. USA wont give citizenship just like that, nothing in life is too true to be good.

Life in India is much better than over here.

axp817
04-26-2009, 12:10 AM
MAVNI is opened from yesterday after hold for one week.

Got enlisted yesterday evening in NY.

Process:

1-> Call army recruiter in NY
2-> You need to mention that you are willing to come to NY on your own expenses
3-> You need to take short test and this will be sent to recruiter
4-> We need to send all documents for DHS verification ( 1 -2 weeks)
5-> After DHS verification recruiter will schedule ASVAB ( We need to get good score
to get good MOS( Military Occupation Specialty) - nothing but type of job
Min: 50% to pass
6-> We need to take language test ( OPI test) , results in 2-3 days
7-> After OPI State and other police verification ( 1 week)
8-> Finally hotel and physical exam and we need to choose job
9-> FBI finger printing and Oath of enlistment ...Hurray!!
10-> Shipment date will be provided...Hurray!!!!!

I heard many are applying based on conversation with recruiters in NY....thought this will be useful for many in this forums.

Thank you for your decision to serve this great country, and congratulations on getting enlisted and becoming an American citizen (very soon, I am sure).

smangc
04-26-2009, 01:44 AM
Getting enlisted in MAVNI depends on own personal interests..I just gave information so that it will be helpful for members in this forum who are interested. Due to tough economic conditions some of them might be interested in this.

smangc
04-26-2009, 01:21 PM
OPI exam is only talking there will not be any read/write. Language expert will call us on telephone and we need to talk for 30 - 40 mins about some topics. They will be testing if we can speak the language.

I choose health care MOS.

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 01:29 PM
OPI exam is only talking there will not be any read/write. Language expert will call us on telephone and we need to talk for 30 - 40 mins about some topics. They will be testing if we can speak the language.

I choose health care MOS.

Thanks dude.

well This is a fact that if you join ARMY of any country, the risk of life is higher than the normal civilian life. But again, we all are grown up adults and whatever options we choose, would impact our own lives.

All the best to those who got selected. :D

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 01:44 PM
Hi,

Since some of the guys in this forum have been enlisted. Has anyone of you received your joining date for training?

or any other information which anyone would like to share about this Program? I believe there is a very good chance of being shipped to Iraq or Afghanistan...but I would like to know, is it that if your MOS is non related to combat, would you still be asked to join the strike party? :(

I am saying this because I just read an article by one of the retired AIR FORCE veteran, who has served the armed forces for over 20 years.

thanks

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 01:48 PM
I found this link on the web -

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/recruiterlies.htm

After reading this, a lot of questions arise in my mind. But if anyone who knows something about it, please share your thoughts with us.

thanks

smangc
04-26-2009, 04:16 PM
The good thing about this program is after getting citizenship in 6 months. We can even change MOS. If you don't like healthcare you can choose other 150 military occupations.

I will be shipped in august.

Alabaman
04-26-2009, 07:41 PM
the good thing about this program is after getting citizenship in 6 months. We can even change mos. If you don't like healthcare you can choose other 150 military occupations.

I will be shipped in august.

shipped?? Shipped to where? Did u do the mavni program too?

smangc
04-26-2009, 09:00 PM
Got enlisted in US army through MAVNI program. In military term shipped means( training start date)

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 09:01 PM
Got enlisted in US army through MAVNI program. In military term shipped means( training start date)

All the best dude.

nev_lord
04-26-2009, 09:42 PM
MAVNI is opened from yesterday after hold for one week.

Got enlisted yesterday evening in NY.

Process:

1-> Call army recruiter in NY
2-> You need to mention that you are willing to come to NY on your own expenses
3-> You need to take short test and this will be sent to recruiter
4-> We need to send all documents for DHS verification ( 1 -2 weeks)
5-> After DHS verification recruiter will schedule ASVAB ( We need to get good score
to get good MOS( Military Occupation Specialty) - nothing but type of job
Min: 50% to pass
6-> We need to take language test ( OPI test) , results in 2-3 days
7-> After OPI State and other police verification ( 1 week)
8-> Finally hotel and physical exam and we need to choose job
9-> FBI finger printing and Oath of enlistment ...Hurray!!
10-> Shipment date will be provided...Hurray!!!!!

I heard many are applying based on conversation with recruiters in NY....thought this will be useful for many in this forums.

Hi,
I wanted to know about the Language Test. I have my language test in a couple of weeks. Could you please give me more details about it. i.e What questions they asked, what do they expect....Thanks in advance

smangc
04-26-2009, 09:48 PM
I would like to give you details but there is confidentiality agreement every test taker has to take....so I can't give more details. Google OPI and you will get lot of information. The only thing I can say is if you know how to speak/talk in a specific language you have registered ..you are good. You will easily pass don't worry much about OPI test....:-) :-) :-)

r_pannu
04-26-2009, 09:55 PM
Hi,

Since some of the guys in this forum have been enlisted. Has anyone of you received your joining date for training?

or any other information which anyone would like to share about this Program? I believe there is a very good chance of being shipped to Iraq or Afghanistan...but I would like to know, is it that if your MOS is non related to combat, would you still be asked to join the strike party? :(

I am saying this because I just read an article by one of the retired AIR FORCE veteran, who has served the armed forces for over 20 years.

thanks

Well you'll be a fool to think otherwise. Why would they need your Linguistic skills and cultural background on us soil. I was prepared to join the infantry (Cannon fodder) when I heard about MAVANI . If you don’t have balls then ...... Besides the ARMY has failed to meet the quota third year in a row. All this linguist and so forth is an excuse. Wait n see they will recruit way more that a 1,000. All those U.S lovers stop BSing. WE are all in this for 1 thing only, n the ARMY knows this.

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 09:59 PM
Well you'll be a fool to think otherwise. Why would they need your Linguistic skills and cultural background on us soil. I was prepared to join the infantry (Cannon fodder) when I heard MAVANI. If you don’t have balls then forget about it. Besides the ARMY has failed to meet the quota third year in a row. All this linguist and so forth is an excuse. Wait n see.

Well Mr. PANNU, As far as your comments are concerned about Having BALL or NOT....Its absolutely uncalled for. As far as this discussion forum is concerned we all are sharing information with each other...I dont need advice from someone who does not even know me. So keep your suggestions to urself.:D

ALSO its not MAVANI...its MAVNI....first try to get these simple things right MR. CANNON FODDER

smangc
04-26-2009, 10:01 PM
Well you'll be a fool to think otherwise. Why would they need your Linguistic skills and cultural background on us soil. I was prepared to join the infantry (Cannon fodder) when I heard MAVANI. If you don’t have balls then forget about it. Besides the ARMY has failed to meet the quota third year in a row. All this linguist and so forth is an excuse. Wait n see.

Not all positions are infantry......If you want to check what are different Carrer and Jobs in army please visit >>>>

http://www.goarmy.com/JobCatList.do?redirect=true

kumarc123
04-26-2009, 10:36 PM
Not all positions are infantry......If you want to check what are different Carrer and Jobs in army please visit >>>>

http://www.goarmy.com/JobCatList.do?redirect=true

Are you thinking straight?


Do you really think US will give citizenship to a person for drving a truck or being a mechanic?


Guys they are giving us citizenship, after you sign 4 year active duty plus another year of contract.


Don't be so naive, they told my cousin who joined navy, that US has no navy operations in middle east, guess what right after he finished the training, the first thing they did was deployed him to IRAQ.


Be smart, no body offers a lunch for free,


Us citizens(white ) will go for all other jobs rather being on front line, so they need people like us who will risk their lives.

ichigo85
04-26-2009, 10:54 PM
Are you thinking straight?


Do you really think US will give citizenship to a person for drving a truck or being a mechanic?


Guys they are giving us citizenship, after you sign 4 year active duty plus another year of contract.


Don't be so naive, they told my cousin who joined navy, that US has no navy operations in middle east, guess what right after he finished the training, the first thing they did was deployed him to IRAQ.


Be smart, no body offers a lunch for free,


Us citizens(white ) will go for all other jobs rather being on front line, so they need people like us who will risk their lives.

Well Kumar,

I agree with your statement that No Lunch is free. And yes, after reading and researching about this program, it is evident that you will be go to either IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN. Also, Taliban is preparing for a fresh offense there, and US needs more troops deployed there.

Well lets agree that this CITIZENSHIP will come at a high cost. So, it is an individual's decision to take now.

smangc
04-26-2009, 11:23 PM
Are you thinking straight?


Do you really think US will give citizenship to a person for drving a truck or being a mechanic?

->>>>I have friends in US from my college days.....who are from nigeria, jamaica ...they joined as health care specialist and cook. They got citizenship.

Guys they are giving us citizenship, after you sign 4 year active duty plus another year of contract.

->>>Nothing in this world comes free...we have to sign 4 year contract..this is better than working for stupid desi consultants. There are only 1000 slots and it's a pilot program and it may not be available next year...so whosoever is interested hurry up and join.


Don't be so naive, they told my cousin who joined navy, that US has no navy operations in middle east, guess what right after he finished the training, the first thing they did was deployed him to IRAQ.

->>>MAVNI pilot program is only for US army and US army is one of the strongest and most technologically advanced military in the world.Be prepared to go to anywhere in the world. We will not be deployed 4 years...generally deployment will be in rotation and depending on our job profile we will be deployed.


Be smart, no body offers a lunch for free,

->>>> Nothing in life comes for free....We need to work hard for just 4 years...I think it is worth than waiting for green card process...


Us citizens(white ) will go for all other jobs rather being on front line, so they need people like us who will risk their lives.

To be in front line we need to choose COMBAT infantry .....not everyone in army will be in frontline.. :)

smangc
04-26-2009, 11:29 PM
I would like to give you details but there is confidentiality agreement every test taker has to take....so I can't give more details. Google OPI and you will get lot of information. The only thing I can say is if you know how to speak/talk in a specific language you have registered ..you are good. You will easily pass don't worry much about OPI test....:-) :-) :-)

This are the links I used for OPI....

http://www.dlielc.org/text_only/Language_Testing/opi_test.html

http://wahs.8j.net/forlan/spanish/opi.html

TexasGuy07
04-27-2009, 02:50 AM
To be in front line we need to choose COMBAT infantry .....not everyone in army will be in frontline.. :)

even though I do not agree with most of what kumar has to say, since its kind of subjective, I have to agree with him on the fact that people enlisted under MAVNI program will be shipped to either Iraq or Afghanistan. Of course, there are different MOS that will not require your actualy precence in fighting (front lines), or if you are aplying under nursing portion you have a greater chance to stay away from the fighting (but even then, every platoon needs a combat medic), still, you shouldnt expect it to be an easy risk-free job. Also, he is right, the army does require you to sign at least a 4 year contract, and when you compare numbers, an average soldier does at least two tours overseas. So it is a risky opportunity, and you need to be sure about before you go through it: once you take an oath, there is no going back.

kumarc123
04-27-2009, 10:51 AM
To be in front line we need to choose COMBAT infantry .....not everyone in army will be in frontline.. :)

Dude,
If they dont have people in the front line, what do you think they will do? Stop the war, no but send the people in front line.
Also MOS is irrelevant, when it comes to depoloying you overseas, if they need you in front line, they wills end you.

Speak any recruiter, they will tell you that wherever they need you, they wills end you there.



Thanks

smangc
04-27-2009, 11:18 AM
Dude,
If they dont have people in the front line, what do you think they will do? Stop the war, no but send the people in front line.
Also MOS is irrelevant, when it comes to depoloying you overseas, if they need you in front line, they wills end you.

Speak any recruiter, they will tell you that wherever they need you, they wills end you there.



Thanks

Kumar I don't agree with you. In recent past US army has never sent non-combat MOS to front lines...If you have info please quote. Before taking my decision..I spent some time with my friend father...he is in good position in army . I agree with you that we may get deployed but not in fronlines.

smangc
04-27-2009, 01:20 PM
For all members if you are in middle of MAVNI process and for those who will be starting the process now. If you have any questions I suggest you to go to www.goarmy.com. If you have any questions they will answer your question promptly.

kumarc123
04-27-2009, 01:56 PM
Kumar I don't agree with you. In recent past US army has never sent non-combat MOS to front lines...If you have info please quote. Before taking my decision..I spent some time with my friend father...he is in good position in army . I agree with you that we may get deployed but not in fronlines.

DUde are you attention blind? Or are you soo Naive that you believe every word the recruiter/ or every other person says to you? Google about recruiters lying, you will be shocked.


Army is known to make fake promises, my cousin went in navy, was told he will not be deployed to IRAQ because army has no operations in IRAQ, guess what happned after training? He was deployed to IRAQ

And I am sorry in advance I cannot give you the name of my cousin cause that is confidential, your beliefe dont change facts.

Recruiters have openly said, army will send you where the need arises.

Another example, my family friend who went to gulf war, was told and given a MOS is medics, was suppose to be working in station for taking blood samples and helping sick in station.

Guess what?

He was on the ground with infrantry, and yes I respect your father friend , I am sure he has a lot of knowledge, but even if he is army general , he cannot pinpoint your poistion or your place.

Even if you have a certain MOS, if the army feels you are better off under different specailty in a different region, then they will send you there.

Google the results to army recruiters lying, they are like IT recruiters focusing on, higher the number, higher their benefits


And yes 4 year contract is not like company contract, you cannot tell them you cant go, they will make you go, if you AWOL, you will land up behind bars, -- Look it up under google.


And after all this if you choose not to understand then its your cognitive ability. US will never give you citizenship for just driving an army truck and working behind a computer, they have many americans for that.
Army do not have many people, americans don't want to risk their lives. it s a 4 year active duty plus another year or so contract.

Another important part,

They are giving us "E" enlisted position, why not officer? We all have bachelors. "O" position is given to a perosn with bachelors, more pay and more security. As E position you will be down the chain. And to get O position you have to get US citizenship and security clearance, and after you get CITIZENSHIP; you dont get an "O" position autmatically, you reques for it and wait. Wait for your luck and their mercy. And let me tell you every american wants "O" postion cause you are an officer and have more respect and better pay,above all more security, unlike E where they can throw you anywhere they want.


Also did you look into emergency leave? in case a memebr of the fmaily is sick or wife delivering? Check that out? How many times does the leave gets approved?

Ok did they give you numbers?
1600$ basic pay ( if you have a dependen-- wife or a child) ( dont forget the taxes on it)
$250 for food

1850 plus taxes on it, and if you are single, you dont get any dependent outside housing, you want to risk your life for this amount?

How do I know this? Cause I spoke to a recruiter and found the information about this program.




Opinios are not based on facts and facts are not based on opinions.

I am not trying to discourage anyone, I checked and validated this information, know what you are getting into, .

This will not be a walk in the park, you feel you want to risk your life. Good luck GIJO

Good Luck

TexasGuy07
04-27-2009, 02:27 PM
ok, I personally am tired of all the verbal fighting going on. I dont know anything 100%, but what I do know is:

1- even though I hate to say it, Kumarc is right: MAVNI participants will more likely be shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan. I think we can all agree on this, and even though THERE ARE few jobs that will not require actual combat participation, chances of getting them are slim. To put it simply: in most cases it wouldnt matter what your MOS turns out to be, you'll do some front line "activities". So please stop arguing about whether you'll go overseas or not: you probably will!

2- In responce to Kumarc's MULTIPLE angry posts about people being stupid, and naive, etc. Yes, there is a small persentage of people that are not really familiar with the concept of Army, or have an idealized view of it. And there are some people who want the US citizenship more than anything in the world. But you have to realize that (in my opinion) quite a few people participating in this program do it with full awareness and realization of what the program entails. Many people are like myself: been here for many many years, and kinda like it here, and wouldnt mind joining the army, not because some extra benefits, but because that what we feel like doing based on various reasons. I'm not applying for nurching position, I do have two BAs, and about two get my two MAs, yet army is what I PERSONALLY want to do, and if I get a chance, I wouldnt mind making it my career. And there are many people like myself. So instead of repeating over and over how naive and stupid people are for not realizing the risks, try to be more understanding: we are aware of the dangers, yet some of us still want to do it.

3- Instead of making this post and angry dialogue revolving around the same subject, why not make it what its supposed to be in the first place: an INFORMATIVE forum. The porpuse of this thread is to provide additional information about the program. And while we all appreciate both sides of the issue, WE DO GET IT: its dangerous, its not pretty, its not a fairytale. GOT THAT! Now can we please focus on other stuff, like various procedures, how people went through, what were some problems, etc.

4- dont make it personal: if someone has a problem with someone else's post, just message them privately: dont make yourself king of the world who knows all the facts and what best for everyone else.

kumarc123
04-27-2009, 02:58 PM
ok, I personally am tired of all the verbal fighting going on. I dont know anything 100%, but what I do know is:

1- even though I hate to say it, Kumarc is right: MAVNI participants will more likely be shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan. I think we can all agree on this, and even though THERE ARE few jobs that will not require actual combat participation, chances of getting them are slim. To put it simply: in most cases it wouldnt matter what your MOS turns out to be, you'll do some front line "activities". So please stop arguing about whether you'll go overseas or not: you probably will!

2- In responce to Kumarc's MULTIPLE angry posts about people being stupid, and naive, etc. Yes, there is a small persentage of people that are not really familiar with the concept of Army, or have an idealized view of it. And there are some people who want the US citizenship more than anything in the world. But you have to realize that (in my opinion) quite a few people participating in this program do it with full awareness and realization of what the program entails. Many people are like myself: been here for many many years, and kinda like it here, and wouldnt mind joining the army, not because some extra benefits, but because that what we feel like doing based on various reasons. I'm not applying for nurching position, I do have two BAs, and about two get my two MAs, yet army is what I PERSONALLY want to do, and if I get a chance, I wouldnt mind making it my career. And there are many people like myself. So instead of repeating over and over how naive and stupid people are for not realizing the risks, try to be more understanding: we are aware of the dangers, yet some of us still want to do it.

3- Instead of making this post and angry dialogue revolving around the same subject, why not make it what its supposed to be in the first place: an INFORMATIVE forum. The porpuse of this thread is to provide additional information about the program. And while we all appreciate both sides of the issue, WE DO GET IT: its dangerous, its not pretty, its not a fairytale. GOT THAT! Now can we please focus on other stuff, like various procedures, how people went through, what were some problems, etc.

4- dont make it personal: if someone has a problem with someone else's post, just message them privately: dont make yourself king of the world who knows all the facts and what best for everyone else.

1. Did I ask to be a king?

2. I presented the facts as they are and not misguided any of my friends over here.

3. I am sure you would agree with me over here, their is a difference between facts and opinion, and their are a lot of people here who base their opinions on limited information, so it becomes my responsibility to pass on the correct information.

4. Their is no need for you to get so emotional over it, if you don't like my post, don't read it and ignore it, and yes. About the personal message, I am sure you could have sent your message as PM to me, but you decided to post it. (Practice what you preach)


5. I wish you all the best in your Endeavor's, but I prefer my approach to be straight, direct and honest. And if I see someone giving incorrect information, I will post correct information, if I dont know then I won't.

Lastly, it is a known fact, that people have got excited, jumped in making radicle decisions in joining the army , and have later remorsed over it, I am jsut trying to do my part of coming up here daily and contributing the facts, yes the information and not emotional opinions.

Read your post and you will find out who sounds angry and frustrated.

Take Care

smangc
04-27-2009, 05:12 PM
1. Did I ask to be a king?

2. I presented the facts as they are and not misguided any of my friends over here.

3. I am sure you would agree with me over here, their is a difference between facts and opinion, and their are a lot of people here who base their opinions on limited information, so it becomes my responsibility to pass on the correct information.

4. Their is no need for you to get so emotional over it, if you don't like my post, don't read it and ignore it, and yes. About the personal message, I am sure you could have sent your message as PM to me, but you decided to post it. (Practice what you preach)


5. I wish you all the best in your Endeavor's, but I prefer my approach to be straight, direct and honest. And if I see someone giving incorrect information, I will post correct information, if I dont know then I won't.

Lastly, it is a known fact, that people have got excited, jumped in making radicle decisions in joining the army , and have later remorsed over it, I am jsut trying to do my part of coming up here daily and contributing the facts, yes the information and not emotional opinions.

Read your post and you will find out who sounds angry and frustrated.

Take Care

If anyone needs correct information please go to www.goarmy.com ...it was very useful for me ...I chatted with recruiters and I have gone messages from discussion board...You can ask any questions and they will try to get back to you soon with correct information. Not something which are misquoted and misguided information you are cing in this forum.

kumarc123
04-27-2009, 05:29 PM
If anyone needs correct information please go to www.goarmy.com ...it was very useful for me ...I chatted with recruiters and I have gone messages from discussion board...You can ask any questions and they will try to get back to you soon with correct information. Not something which are misquoted and misguided information you are cing in this forum.

Excuse me, what is misquoted? Please be more specific

Dude time to go get your pills,

Guys please, look at his number of posts (16), a novice trying to tell everyone what he BELIEVES

and not what the facts are, I have spoken to enough recruiters and gathered enough valid information. This guys posts 16 posts and now is breaking the spirit by questioning other people dillgence in gathering infroamtion and intelligence

Nutt head go get your pills, looser,

misquoation? What j off looser!

smangc
04-27-2009, 06:25 PM
Guys who ever is interested MAVNI has over 80 jobs to select. Not on all jobs people will be deployed. Only interested people read the below as some questions might arise in your mind.
http://www.shusterman.com/pdf/stock209.pdf

ichigo85
04-28-2009, 12:20 AM
Alright guys,

Today I gave my ASVAB test and what I saw was a pathetic display of examination and examinees. I agree with Kumar about the Enlistment details. AND LETS BE VERY SURE HERE...THE RECRUITER CLEARLY TOLD ME TODAY....90-95% CHANCE OF BEING DEPLOYED IN IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN. And we should all understand here that once you Military...U leave this phrase "I can't" or " I don't want to" at home.

alright about this...I withdrew from the program because my parents are dead against this and I agree there is no point in obtaining this while i make my family suffer. HOWEVER, said that I would say this to those who have joined...GUYS BEST OF LUCK...DO GOOD AND GET CITIZENSHIP. THERE IS NO NEED TO DISCOURAGE ANYONE..JUST LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY AND DANGERS WHICH ARE PRESENT...IF THEY STILL WANT TO DO IT...WE SHOULD RESPECT THEIR DECISION and just pray you guys be safe.

doctorsrk
04-28-2009, 05:34 PM
So far on this forum, everybody is talking about languages. Anybody who is in healthcare industry and joining via MAVNI ?:confused:

I have applied to local recruiter, did a 'mini' AVSAB. Filled a 42 page form, given all documents about immigration,schooling etc.
And lost 20 pounds in weight to qualify !!!

kc1966
04-29-2009, 12:29 PM
hi guys,

i agree that there is a risk in this program but there is a risk in life in general
everybody is talking about irak and i'm sure that if you get 200 k / year nobody will be talking this way .
even if you stay in the US there is a risk ( car accident , illness etc...)
i tried to enlist in this program be i was told that the limit age is 42 in fact is 41 because you have to enlist before your 42 birthday and for my understanding they don't waive the age . yet . i don't know if they reach there target of 1000 enlisted or not


H1B for 11 years already

ichigo85
04-29-2009, 01:01 PM
hi guys,

i agree that there is a risk in this program but there is a risk in life in general
everybody is talking about irak and i'm sure that if you get 200 k / year nobody will be talking this way .
even if you stay in the US there is a risk ( car accident , illness etc...)
i tried to enlist in this program be i was told that the limit age is 42 in fact is 41 because you have to enlist before your 42 birthday and for my understanding they don't waive the age . yet . i don't know if they reach there target of 1000 enlisted or not


H1B for 11 years already

Hi Kc,
I agree that there is a danger to life in general as well. But if you are putting yourself in the harm's way you have a high probability of getting hurt. We are talking about WarZone here. It's not KILL ZONE or Metal Gear Solid, where you die and the game starts from the last checkpoint. Even though, the reward is citizenship, I don't feel like risking my life for US. I love this place but I don't think I would risk my life for the citizenship as I don't consider myself as one of the American. I am here to enjoy my life. Also, please let me inform everyone, the pay is not outstanding. Even though the benefits are great, you will be joining a rank below Sergent and please even with a master's degree you don't get a great pay. Its definitely not 200k. The Sergent i met was making 72k/year with 5 years experience and 1 tour to Afghanistan. For us, who don't have any experience, the pay will not be high.

This is one way of thinking. However, I feel there are people who like this kind of adrenaline rush. For them, its Heaven. For those, who want to join...Best of LUCK :D

They have not reached the 1000 mark but they have stopped recruiting Chinese & korean as more than required number have enlisted. They are still looking for Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu, Pushto & Arabic. Only 20 or something Indians have enrolled for this program. I also met one of the few Indian who joined this program way back in March first week. He is being shipped today. He seemed excited.

caypab
05-01-2009, 04:41 AM
For everyone who is getting "enlisted" in the linguistic program - bottom line - Boots on Ground.

Translator is just a lingo to cover, you will be in front line, fighting and you will be surely below Sergent who is probably not even college passed with all the degrees and education that you have invested many years. If that is what you want go ahead. I personally would like to serve US army but at a rank that is consistent with my skills and education.

Remember that it is more honorable to serve Indian army (if you are from India) and you would be a commissioned officer not an enliste.

As for doctors, you will be commissioned officers but if you are in middle of residency or even have full license to practice and want to complete your training for some reason or another with US army. They will not let you do that remaining training in their institutions. Their GME programs are for US citizens only. So would they apply MAVNI to such doctors to let them get GME in army hospitals, the answer from office of surgeon general office is - NO.

So then the question is what kind of citizenship is there for doctors. The answer is that the doctor needs to serve overseas and once deployed overseas then only the citizenship is granted.

So everything is to their advantage.

caypab
05-01-2009, 05:00 AM
So far on this forum, everybody is talking about languages. Anybody who is in healthcare industry and joining via MAVNI ?:confused:

I have applied to local recruiter, did a 'mini' AVSAB. Filled a 42 page form, given all documents about immigration,schooling etc.
And lost 20 pounds in weight to qualify !!!

If you are a doctor with completed residency you don't need to take AVSAB. Are you one?

doctorsrk
05-01-2009, 11:06 PM
If you are a doctor with completed residency you don't need to take AVSAB. Are you one?
Yes.
I still have to take ASVAB. I have just seen their recruitment manual:)

r_pannu
05-02-2009, 10:57 PM
I have a questions for people who have already enlisted. Is it posible to take a month or so off and leave US before starting boot camp ?

doctorsrk
05-03-2009, 12:52 AM
I have a questions for people who have already enlisted. Is it posible to take a month or so off and leave US before starting boot camp ?

Why not?:D

smangc
05-03-2009, 05:44 PM
I have a questions for people who have already enlisted. Is it posible to take a month or so off and leave US before starting boot camp ?


Yes you can...I heard they told tremendous response for this program and they have closed MAVNI for some languages and for other for non-critical languages they are processing slowley...please check with your recruiter.

kumarc123
05-03-2009, 07:58 PM
Yes you can...I heard they told tremendous response for this program and they have closed MAVNI for some languages and for other for non-critical languages they are processing slowley...please check with your recruiter.

GUYS

DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY

He is an idiot who keeps singing his own songs, please do your own search, I conducted my own search and is opposite to this person's information.

Check the number of posts, he doesn't have even 20 posts, please ignore this person's information.

After you sign the contract you belong to them.

TexasGuy07
05-03-2009, 11:57 PM
GUYS

DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY

He is an idiot who keeps singing his own songs, please do your own search, I conducted my own search and is opposite to this person's information.

Check the number of posts, he doesn't have even 20 posts, please ignore this person's information.

After you sign the contract you belong to them.

You, sir, are an idiot, and even though I'm sure there are so many reasons why you should really consider getting some psychological/psychiatric help, I will only give you a few.
First of all, stop being disrespectful towards others! I realize that having you head stuck up so far up your ass impairs your intelligence, but at least try to act civilized.
Second, what is up with you and the number of posts? Just because for the past 2 years you had no life and spent your entire time on this website doesnt make you a pro in regards to all the aspects of anything to do with immigration. The guy joined in March, thats why he has less than 20 posts, and how do you know that he doesnt have 500 posts on other immigration related forums?
Third, as far as your "research" is concerned: what I heard so far is "my cousin did this, my cousin did that, my relative said that, my friend had this". its all very subjective, and based on personal experiences. Dont pass it as facts.
Fouth, he was correct about some languages being put on hold. The program recieved too many responses from people with certain languages, and not enough from others. As a matter of fact, they have at least 3 categories of languages, that determine priority of processing. Some are "on hold" meaning that once a spot opens up, they continue the processing.
Fifth, I realize that with your intellectual abilities it may be hard to comprehend certain things, but I'll try to put in simple terms: people are not stupid, and realize the dangers of joining, as well as implications of the contract, but unlike dumbasses like you some people join for reasons other than citizenship, or benefits. So why dont you keep your "research" to yourself, and just shut up? Oh, and I think its so pathetic how you keep giving negative feedback to everyone who you disagree with.
So, in conclusion, here is the summary: you are an idiot and psycho ego-maniac who thinks so much of himself that I'm sure if you had the ability to screw yourself, you would never leave your house (not that you do anyway based on the "number of posts", oh great and mighty poster). So think about it, write something angry, give me a negative feedback, whatever. The irony is that in the end you will still remain a loser and PofS who will never even realize how pathetic you are. Adios

kumarc123
05-04-2009, 12:10 AM
Thanks, shows the kind of new members IV is attracting, I guess PAPPU has a better answer and a message for these new members coming aboard. They show the respect to elder members in IV.

Sad these new members think they are little to Americanized, funny you see them at work ass licking every white boss.

Texas guy thank you for your message, remind me of the famous notion that education can never teach a person about integrity and respect.

All the messages I posted on IV till now are based on facts and data, which I have been contributing for a long time now and next time don't include or point fingers at any family members.

You don't know me and I don't want to know your types, a complete waste of time, you really have some serious problems, if you require some money for a psychiatrist, I am sure I can pay one time visit, based on humanitarian grounds.


TO IV administrator,

HOW CAN YOU ALLOW MEMBERS TO POINT FINGERS AT OTHER MEMBER'S FAMILY MEMBERS? QUIET DISRESPECTFUL! AND UNWORTHY OF IV

Ravneetsingh
05-04-2009, 12:36 AM
You, sir, are an idiot, and even though I'm sure there are so many reasons why you should really consider getting some psychological/psychiatric help, I will only give you a few.
First of all, stop being disrespectful towards others! I realize that having you head stuck up so far up your ass impairs your intelligence, but at least try to act civilized.
Second, what is up with you and the number of posts? Just because for the past 2 years you had no life and spent your entire time on this website doesnt make you a pro in regards to all the aspects of anything to do with immigration. The guy joined in March, thats why he has less than 20 posts, and how do you know that he doesnt have 500 posts on other immigration related forums?
Third, as far as your "research" is concerned: what I heard so far is "my cousin did this, my cousin did that, my relative said that, my friend had this". its all very subjective, and based on personal experiences. Dont pass it as facts.
Fouth, he was correct about some languages being put on hold. The program recieved too many responses from people with certain languages, and not enough from others. As a matter of fact, they have at least 3 categories of languages, that determine priority of processing. Some are "on hold" meaning that once a spot opens up, they continue the processing.
Fifth, I realize that with your intellectual abilities it may be hard to comprehend certain things, but I'll try to put in simple terms: people are not stupid, and realize the dangers of joining, as well as implications of the contract, but unlike dumbasses like you some people join for reasons other than citizenship, or benefits. So why dont you keep your "research" to yourself, and just shut up? Oh, and I think its so pathetic how you keep giving negative feedback to everyone who you disagree with.
So, in conclusion, here is the summary: you are an idiot and psycho ego-maniac who thinks so much of himself that I'm sure if you had the ability to screw yourself, you would never leave your house (not that you do anyway based on the "number of posts", oh great and mighty poster). So think about it, write something angry, give me a negative feedback, whatever. The irony is that in the end you will still remain a loser and PofS who will never even realize how pathetic you are. Adios

Well said...while i consider a waste of time to address this kumar aholes comments anymore, glad u put some time and effort onto it, wud smbdy please ban him already:D

ichigo85
05-04-2009, 01:14 AM
:D

Well as far as this forum is considered, I think it should be more informative rather than a ground where we are settling our issues.

As far as the languages are considered, Cantonese, Mandarin and Korean are closed. this is a genuine info. Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Pushtu and Arabic are high in demand. They are still processing. I don't know with which Recruiter you guys are talking but my recruiter had fixed my OPI and physical in a day's gap and contract signing on the same day. So the whole process took me 2 weeks. It's a different matter I did not accept the offer.

All the best to guys who joined. And guys chill out! Those who are joining, lets not discourage them...its their life...they have the right to live as they want.

I would only tell people that if you are joining Defense, please be sure that you are 100% committed to it, with no half ass resolve or else you will surely regret it. In my case, I was only attracted because of citizenship, but then I thought the it's not worth the trouble. :D And guys pull your pants to leave for Afghanistan by the end of this year, ITS GONNA BE COLD THERE!

If anyone wants to know more info, send me a private message and i will give you the number of my recruiter. He is recruiting like crazy!

ichigo85
05-04-2009, 01:16 AM
Well said...while i consider a waste of time to address this kumar aholes comments anymore, glad u put some time and effort onto it, wud smbdy please ban him already:D

ravneet dude..did u join? when r u shipping?

Ravneetsingh
05-04-2009, 02:14 AM
ravneet dude..did u join? when r u shipping?

i still have to take my asvab/physical this week...then fill the long healthcare application, get all the recommendation letters, wait for october board meeting coz this years Reserve-RN quota is filled already...that wud give me enuf time to rethink all this....kinda giving second thoughts right now:(

ichigo85
05-04-2009, 02:19 AM
i still have to take my asvab/physical this week...then fill the long healthcare application, get all the recommendation letters, wait for october board meeting coz this years Reserve-RN quota is filled already...that wud give me enuf time to rethink all this....kinda giving second thoughts right now:(

as i said dude.....have 100% commitment otherwise don't take it...coz u'll regret it. The reward is absolutely great but we have to put up with a lot of hardship. But still if you have the passion, I would say, go for it. If not, better re-think before signing the contract as there will be no turning back after that. And be prepared to be deployed in afghanistan (no matter what other say....my recruiter told me that in person....100% chances of being deployed).

Anyways, ASVAB is a piece of crap, I wonder how people dont even score 50 in that.

pappu
05-04-2009, 12:13 PM
All,
A complaint has been received about this thread and some posts look rude. Please stop disrespecting other members even if you disagree with their views. Keep the discussion civil. Any further rude posts will mean banning of any such member.
Thanks for your cooperation

r_pannu
05-04-2009, 12:29 PM
i still have to take my asvab/physical this week...then fill the long healthcare application, get all the recommendation letters, wait for october board meeting coz this years Reserve-RN quota is filled already...that wud give me enuf time to rethink all this....kinda giving second thoughts right now:(

Hi Rev, Do you know if you can leave US and come back when its the program is reinstated ? inother words lest say you comple the process and leave US and then come back lets say in oct.

r_pannu
05-04-2009, 12:40 PM
Guys this is geting outa hand.

Ravneetsingh
05-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Hi Rev, Do you know if you can leave US and come back when its the program is reinstated ? inother words lest say you comple the process and leave US and then come back lets say in oct.
as far as I know, there should not be any problem as long as u don't stay more than 90 days...again make sure everything is done b4 u leave and there shud be no problem then. If u have already applied then the best person to confirm this wud be ur recruiter.

Krissen
05-07-2009, 12:42 AM
Today i met up with a recruitment officer in California.
After taking the practice test etc, he told me that Korean language is still open but on level 3. ( lvl 1 being high need, 2 being mid, 3 being low need etc)
So i guess I need to score high on the test right?
from the practice test, i scored 83, is this fine?
Second question is, my I-20 will expire this June, and I applied today, does my I-20 need to be active after I submitted all the files, test scores etc?
is there a second and final confirmation of individual's I-20 status when we deploy?
Thank you in advance.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 10:14 AM
Today i met up with a recruitment officer in California.
After taking the practice test etc, he told me that Korean language is still open but on level 3. ( lvl 1 being high need, 2 being mid, 3 being low need etc)
So i guess I need to score high on the test right?
from the practice test, i scored 83, is this fine?
Second question is, my I-20 will expire this June, and I applied today, does my I-20 need to be active after I submitted all the files, test scores etc?
is there a second and final confirmation of individual's I-20 status when we deploy?
Thank you in advance.

To be on the safe side I would rather suggest that you keep ur I-20 current till when u are actually hired and done with all the process. :)

raja760
05-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Hi s,
Did u do the medical? Did they ask u to do one? Asthma is a problem to army right? Are they allowing anyone with this history, but don't have now. Any idea, please help.


MAVNI is opened from yesterday after hold for one week.

Got enlisted yesterday evening in NY.

Process:

1-> Call army recruiter in NY
2-> You need to mention that you are willing to come to NY on your own expenses
3-> You need to take short test and this will be sent to recruiter
4-> We need to send all documents for DHS verification ( 1 -2 weeks)
5-> After DHS verification recruiter will schedule ASVAB ( We need to get good score
to get good MOS( Military Occupation Specialty) - nothing but type of job
Min: 50% to pass
6-> We need to take language test ( OPI test) , results in 2-3 days
7-> After OPI State and other police verification ( 1 week)
8-> Finally hotel and physical exam and we need to choose job
9-> FBI finger printing and Oath of enlistment ...Hurray!!
10-> Shipment date will be provided...Hurray!!!!!

I heard many are applying based on conversation with recruiters in NY....thought this will be useful for many in this forums.

smangc
05-07-2009, 01:41 PM
Hi s,
Did u do the medical? Did they ask u to do one? Asthma is a problem to army right? Are they allowing anyone with this history, but don't have now. Any idea, please help.

I don't know if they can enlist you with asthma...please post this queston on forums.goarmy.com. You will get response from army recruiters.

raja760
05-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Did u do the medical?

I don't know if they can enlist you with asthma...please post this queston on forums.goarmy.com. You will get response from army recruiters.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Hi s,
Did u do the medical? Did they ask u to do one? Asthma is a problem to army right? Are they allowing anyone with this history, but don't have now. Any idea, please help.

yes i did the medical...just done with the whole process about 2 wks ago...recruited as a army nurse...well i did fill out the medical and physical assessment papers but since i have no medcial problem i was only screened for blood & urine test, physical assessment. .....so I'm not sure about asthma....you might need to speak to a recruiter. :)

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 01:46 PM
Did u do the medical?

yes i am recruited as an amry nurse just 2wks ago.....well since i have no medical problem ,i was tested for blood and urine, then the physical assessment....so am not sure about asthma, you might wanna ask your recruiter. :)

Ravneetsingh
05-07-2009, 01:47 PM
to raja: There is a pre-medical screening form, which enlists asthma, u are suppose to answer it honestly, this i followed by an actual physical exam by army docs, the prescreening form also asks for ur primary care physician and insurance info, so that they can lookup ur medical history. I am pretty sure u can not get a waiver for asthma, and personally wud not proceed because u'll also have to go thru drills where asthma can act up....talk to a recruiter just to be sure, but do not hide any crucial medical info.

raja760
05-07-2009, 01:49 PM
yes i am recruited as an amry nurse just 2wks ago.....well since i have no medical problem ,i was tested for blood and urine, then the physical assessment....so am not sure about asthma, you might wanna ask your recruiter. :)


Thanks for the reply,
I was diagnosed for asthma when i was a kid. I have been in US 6+ years now, never had a attack, so was wondering if i will qualify, but i will check with the recruiter.

Thanks

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Thanks for the reply,
I was diagnosed for asthma when i was a kid. I have been in US 6+ years now, never had a attack, so was wondering if i will qualify, but i will check with the recruiter.

Thanks

you welcome...Are u goin for the lang/medical?

raja760
05-07-2009, 02:19 PM
for the language.

when i met local recruiter, I qualify for everything they are looking for and priority 1 language. I was so exited to apply and even called NY recruiter and sent the immi documents.

Now, i found out after little research about medical history of asthma. totally disappointed.
Well may be this is not the path for me.....
But, i will try as i started the process. Let's see how it goes.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 02:28 PM
for the language.

when i met local recruiter, I qualify for everything they are looking for and priority 1 language. I was so exited to apply and even called NY recruiter and sent the immi documents.

Now, i found out after little research about medical history of asthma. totally disappointed.
Well may be this is not the path for me.....
But, i will try as i started the process. Let's see how it goes.

yes i will continue with the process and if u couldn't get in at least u will know taht u tried ur best.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 02:42 PM
For everyone who is getting "enlisted" in the linguistic program - bottom line - Boots on Ground.

Translator is just a lingo to cover, you will be in front line, fighting and you will be surely below Sergent who is probably not even college passed with all the degrees and education that you have invested many years. If that is what you want go ahead. I personally would like to serve US army but at a rank that is consistent with my skills and education.

Remember that it is more honorable to serve Indian army (if you are from India) and you would be a commissioned officer not an enliste.

As for doctors, you will be commissioned officers but if you are in middle of residency or even have full license to practice and want to complete your training for some reason or another with US army. They will not let you do that remaining training in their institutions. Their GME programs are for US citizens only. So would they apply MAVNI to such doctors to let them get GME in army hospitals, the answer from office of surgeon general office is - NO.

So then the question is what kind of citizenship is there for doctors. The answer is that the doctor needs to serve overseas and once deployed overseas then only the citizenship is granted.

So everything is to their advantage.

You sir have absolutely no clue how the United States Army functions. Let me educate you:

1) Depending on your ASVAB score and your education you get assigned a MOS for which you are specially trained. If you sign up to be a cook, you will cook....you will not fight...you will cook. If you enlist a back end engineer you work as a back end engineer...you will not fight...you will fix things. If you enlist as a medic you work as a medic. The US army has only 49,000 Infantry....the Infantry does not accept every Tom, Dick and Harry. They only take people who can fight and trust me there is no shortage of proud Americans who will do this job very honorably.

2)Although in the MAVNI program you are joining under the linguist category you have a specified MOS just like any other American soldier. EVERY MAVNI ENLISTEE IS NOT GOING TO WORK AS A TRANSLATOR. Tell me, how will the army benefit by putting a Tamil speaking (non Indo-European language) person in Kabul to talk to Afghans? The Army is not going to spend thousands of dollars training you on a specific MOS and then send you to fight the Taliban with your 9 weeks of Basic Training. The US Army would not be the hard hitting mobile force it is without the excellent communication, medical and support services that back the soldiers fighting it out in the war zones.

BTW Ravneet, it worked out for me.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 02:49 PM
You sir have absolutely no clue how the United States Army functions. Let me educate you:

1) Depending on your ASVAB score and your education you get assigned a MOS for which you are specially trained. If you sign up to be a cook, you will cook....you will not fight...you will cook. If you enlist a back end engineer you work as a back end engineer...you will not fight...you will fix things. If you enlist as a medic you work as a medic. The US army has only 49,000 Infantry....the Infantry does not accept every Tom, Dick and Harry. They only take people who can fight and trust me there is no shortage of proud Americans who will do this job very honorably.

2)Although in the MAVNI program you are joining under the linguist category you have a specified MOS just like any other American soldier. EVERY MAVNI ENLISTEE IS NOT GOING TO WORK AS A TRANSLATOR. Tell me, how will the army benifit by putting a Tamil seaking (non Indo-European language) person in Kabul to talk to Afghans? The Army is not going to spend thousands of dollars training you on a specific MOS and then send you to fight the Taliban with your 9 weeks of Basic Training.

BTW Ravneet, it worked out for me.

sorry sir I am not signing for translator I was just recruited as a army nurse 2wks ago...done with the all process as at 29th april 09....so just waiting to be commisioned as army nurse ...so MOS is not for me is for those going as translator...spoke with my recruiter this morning and just told me when that will happen...so wish u the best of luck!

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 02:51 PM
Another thing I wanted to mention to those who are interested:

Do well on the ASVAB and choose a good MOS that will help you in your career after leaving the army. If when you leave the army you have your security clearence, 4 years of work experience in a good MOS, US Citizenship and veteran status you will be in a good place to get a job in this country.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 02:55 PM
sorry sir I am not signing for translator I was just recruited as a army nurse 2wks ago...done with the all process as at 29th april 09....so just waiting to be commisioned as army nurse ...so MOS is not for me is for those going as translator...spoke with my recruiter this morning and just told me when that will happen...so wish u the best of luck!

Actually your MOS as a Army Nurse is Branch 66. Look it up here:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blofficermos.htm

Trust me, there is no way in hell most people who join will ever use a rifle after BCT. However, that does not mean you will not be deployed. Engineers (non-combat), Doctors, Nurses, Cooks will most probably all be deployed and no one is saying your life will be a bed of roses. However, it is not going to be a mud hut village search and destroy mission either. If deployed you will be spending most of your time at base.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:01 PM
Actually your MOS as a Army Nurse is Branch 66. Look it up here:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blofficermos.htm

Trust me, there is no way in hell most people who join will ever use a rifle after BCT.

sir, I am not here for all these ...i know what I'm goin into and I don't even know the basis of ur argument......i know all u are saying.... its not new to me.... I have been working with military hospital for the past 3yrs under my present status and i hav made my choice....so am not sure what u are arguing about here?

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:05 PM
sir, I am not here for all these ...i know what I'm goin into and I don't even know the basis of ur argument......i know all u are saying.... its not new to me.... I have been working with military hospital for the past 3yrs under my present status and i hav made my choice....so am not sure what u are arguing about here?

Best of luck to you brother! The army needs people like you and I am glad you will be on my side :)

I admit I am not too familiar with the Medical aspect of the MAVNI program but as far as I know you will also be deployed, am I correct?

Ravneetsingh
05-07-2009, 03:06 PM
COOL down guys......mavniman and bsnrn u r the very few informative members of this thread....chill out u both r in, u have made a sound choice.
BSNRN: i think mavniman was quoting/replying to an earlier post by caypab about MOS being sent to combat missions...he was not referring to ur posts at all (which btw are 100% accurate, no doubt bout that). see post # 153 on this page

congarst to u both...i m following ur lead ;)

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:10 PM
COOL down guys......mavniman and bsnrn u r the very few informative members of this thread....chill out u both r in, u have made a sound choice.
BSNRN: i think mavniman was quoting/replying to an earlier post by caypab about MOS being sent to combat missions...he was not referring to ur posts at all. see post # 153 on this page

ROFL Ravneet. I wish people would actually read the posts before getting emotional. Indeed BSNRN, please look at the comment I quoted before posting next time. LOL.

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Best of luck to you brother! The army needs people like you and I am glad you will be on my side :)

I admit I am not too familiar with the Medical aspect of the MAVNI program but as far as I know you will also be deployed, am I correct?

deployed or not is not an issue...bcos anybody who decides to join the army shd know for sure that it is almost 100% that they will be deployed..... so I am surprised that people here are still concern about been deployed...i hav been reading the treads on here for the past 2months and i just don't get it.... the only difference is that most medical team taht goes to war usually stays at the medical station....they don't go to the war front....while others will be at the war fighting.....and also, for the medical u hav a choice of either goin as active duty or reserve....and am recruited as a reserve ....so am allowed to coninue working where i am and only will leave my presnet job if deployed to war......

Ravneetsingh
05-07-2009, 03:15 PM
deployed or not is not an issue...bcos anybody who decides to join the army shd know for sure that it is almost 100% that they will be deployed..... so I am surprised that people here are still concern about been deployed...i hav been reading the treads on here for the past 2months and i just don't get it.... the only difference is that most medical team taht goes to war usually stays at the medical station....they don't go to the war front....while others will be at the war fighting.....and also, for the medical u hav a choice of either goin as active duty or reserve....and am recruited as a reserve ....so am allowed to coninue working where i am and only will leave my presnet job if deployed to war......
so i we were to be deployed, then would u be considered as on active duty, and that time be deducted from 3 yrs (contract length for active duty) or 6 yrs (contract length for reserves)...kinda confusing.......:confused:

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:16 PM
ROFL Ravneet. I wish people would actually read the posts before getting emotional. Indeed BSNRN, please look at the comment I quoted before posting next time. LOL.

you replied to my post ...so i was replying base on what i hav been saying...so when i read urs it was off......to me...anyway...

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:19 PM
so i we were to be deployed, then would u be considered as on active duty, and that time be deducted from 3 yrs (contract length for active duty) or 6 yrs (contract length for reserves)...kinda confusing.......:confused:

there is no confusion.....if u are deployed...cool.... when u get back u just resume ur normal reserve thats it....My cousin who just came back she is reserve and when she got back from Iraq she just resumed her regular job at the hospital she works and that is the same for medical under MAVNI......either way if u sign 3 or 6 u will not be able to leave the army until after 8yrs.

wantthestars
05-07-2009, 03:20 PM
sorry sir I am not signing for translator I was just recruited as a army nurse 2wks ago...done with the all process as at 29th april 09....so just waiting to be commisioned as army nurse ...so MOS is not for me is for those going as translator...spoke with my recruiter this morning and just told me when that will happen...so wish u the best of luck!

Hey man it is a great thing that you are already enlisted congrats!!!
Do you think can describe me the process as you followed it?
I applied almost two months ago also in the HCP line (as a medical doctor) but the recruiter has done only nothing!
What type of visa were you? and How far were you from finishing your current Healthcare training?
Also do you know of any doctor who has been alrealdy enlisted?:confused:

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:25 PM
deployed or not is not an issue...bcos anybody who decides to join the army shd know for sure that it is almost 100% that they will be deployed..... so I am surprised that people here are still concern about been deployed...i hav been reading the treads on here for the past 2months and i just don't get it.... the only difference is that most medical team taht goes to war usually stays at the medical station....they don't go to the war front....while others will be at the war fighting.....and also, for the medical u hav a choice of either goin as active duty or reserve....and am recruited as a reserve ....so am allowed to coninue working where i am and only will leave my presnet job if deployed to war......

Again that part of your comment is not true. There are several MOS where the people are deployed only to Germany or Korea since the bases in Iraq and Afghanistan are not large enough/ capable enough for certain operations. In fact out of several thousands people at even forward army bases only a thousand or so soldiers have ever seen an Iraqi/Adghan in real life. Here is an article from the time of heavy insurgent problems is Iraq. I suggest everone read it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994_pf.html

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:28 PM
Again that part of your comment is not true. There are several MOS where the people are deployed only to Germany or Korea since the bases in Iraq and Afghanistan are not large enough/ capable enough for certain operations. In fact out of several thousands people at even forward army bases only a thousand or so soldiers have ever seen an Iraqi/Adghan in real life. Here is an article from the time of heavy insurgent problems is Iraq. I suggest everone read it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994_pf.html

well this is what i know about medical team ....u hav the right to believe whatever u want...i arrest my case!

BSNRN
05-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Hey man it is a great thing that you are already enlisted congrats!!!
Do you think can describe me the process as you followed it?
I applied almost two months ago also in the HCP line (as a medical doctor) but the recruiter has done only nothing!
What type of visa were you? and How far were you from finishing your current Healthcare training?
Also do you know of any doctor who has been alrealdy enlisted?:confused:

sir check your inbox...replied u there.

kumarc123
05-07-2009, 03:32 PM
Again that part of your comment is not true. There are several MOS where the people are deployed only to Germany or Korea since the bases in Iraq and Afghanistan are not large enough/ capable enough for certain operations. In fact out of several thousands people at even forward army bases only a thousand or so soldiers have ever seen an Iraqi/Adghan in real life. Here is an article from the time of heavy insurgent problems is Iraq. I suggest everone read it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994_pf.html

You are wrong my friend, Medics are always in field with the soldiers, my recruiter tried to trap me in this statement too. I googled in and was shocked with intensity to which army recruiters lie and the right job description of Medic. I have a friend, who has served as a medic, this not friend to friend type of information, this is something factual.

I would urge you to google the information and if possible find some people who have actually served in the army, their are a few members here who have been posting their opinions rather facts. You MOS can change, if they feel your skills are better in a different area they wills end you there, remember your citizenship will be provisional and that will become permamnent after the end of 4year contract on active duty. That allows them to send you wherever they feel like, cause they know you have less to say.

Joining the army is big decision, it is something you cannot waiver from, so good luck

Ravneetsingh
05-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Hey man it is a great thing that you are already enlisted congrats!!!
Do you think can describe me the process as you followed it?
I applied almost two months ago also in the HCP line (as a medical doctor) but the recruiter has done only nothing!
What type of visa were you? and How far were you from finishing your current Healthcare training?
Also do you know of any doctor who has been alrealdy enlisted?:confused:

I am in the process of enlisting as a army nurse, while i cant answer ur questions accurately, i wud suggest reading a few pages back and find a post by doctorsrk..he is applying as a doc and can guide u better.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:36 PM
well this is what i know about medical team ....u hav the right to believe whatever u want...i arrest my case!

I am not being argumentative for no reason. I want people here to get a very clear picture of how the US Army works. It is of course up to individuals to decide what tey want to do. But being informed about it is very important. Your comment was great except the part about all other non-medical people going to war. Just wanted people to know that is not true. Here is the article:

Biggest Base in Iraq Has Small-Town Feel
Most Troops at Balad Never Meet Iraqis

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 4, 2006; A14



BALAD, Iraq -- Staff Sgt. Chad Twigg is on a one-year tour of duty in the middle of the Sunni Triangle. But on a recent winter morning, he wasn't digging a foxhole or tracking an enemy sniper or trying to grab some sleep between firefights.

Instead, the Army mechanic was checking out iPod accessories in one of the two post exchanges here at the biggest American base in Iraq. He worries about the lure of the PX, with its walls of shiny electronic devices and racks of new CDs. "I try to stay away from it to save money," Twigg said. But on average, 15 soldiers a day succumb and buy a television, said John Burk, the PX manager.

Balad Air Base is a unique creation, a small American town smack in the middle of the most hostile part of Iraq. While soldiers drive as fast as they can beyond its perimeter to avoid roadside bombs and ambushes, on base they must drive their Humvees at a stately 10 mph, the strictly enforced speed limit.

The 20,000 troops based at Balad, home to the major Air Force operation in Iraq and also the biggest Army logistical support center in the country, live in air-conditioned containers. Plans are being made to wire the metal boxes to bring the troops Internet, cable television and overseas telephone access.

Balad is scheduled to be one of the last four U.S. bases in Iraq and probably will be the very last, officials say. "Balad will be here, I believe, to the very end," said Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Slovenian-born F-15 pilot who commands the Air Force side of the operation.

Like most towns, Balad has distinct neighborhoods. The southwest part, home to thousands of civilian contractors, is "KBR-land," a reference to the construction company. "CJSOTF," for Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, is home to a special operations unit and is hidden by especially high walls. Visitors aren't welcome there, and the Army public affairs chief on the base said he'd never been inside.

Next door to CJSOTF is the junkyard, one of the places where war comes closest -- it contains dozens of Army Humvees wrecked by bombs or rollovers. The other place where the war intrudes is the busy base hospital, where doctors perform 400 surgeries a month on the wounded.

The base boasts its own airline, "Catfish Air," that shuttles soldiers among the U.S. bases in Iraq. It also has its own customs post, run by a relaxed but savvy group of Navy reservists.

Searching for drugs, pornography and souvenir weapons, they have learned the favorite places that departing Army troops use to hide contraband -- Bibles, picture frames, soap dishes and the sleeves in body armor vests that hold the bulletproof plates. Army engineers undergo especially close inspections because "they think they know where to hide everything," sometimes building false bottoms in toolboxes and containers, said Petty Officer 1st Class Steven Honer.

Offenders simply suffer confiscation, but the base does have a genuine criminal element: Recently an Army enlisted man returning from medical leave went AWOL, living with a cousin in the Air Force part of the base for two weeks before being apprehended and placed in the base's small brig.

Of the 20,000 troops at Balad, only several hundred have jobs that take them off base. Most Americans posted here never interact with an Iraqi, and some never see one, said Army Lt. Col. Larry Dotson, who is effectively the city manager. The closest some troops here come to experiencing the Iraq seen on the evening news is the miniature golf course, which mimics a battlefield with its baby sandbags, little Jersey barriers, strands of concertina wire and, down at the end of the course, what appears to be a tiny detainee cage.
The town's most distinctive feature is the long runway that bisects it. Air Force officials say it is now one of the world's busiest. "We are behind only Heathrow right now," said Gorenc, the Air Force commander.

As a Black Hawk helicopter was landing recently, an unmanned Predator drone was taking off, two Hellfire missiles slung under its wings. Next to land was an Army RC-12 Guardrail, a sensor-laden aircraft bristling with antennae. It was followed in quick succession by an F-16 fighter, a C-130 propeller-driven cargo plane and a C-17 cargo jet that taxied near a sagging Russian IL-76 freighter plane with a bulging glass nose like a World War II bomber's.

More than 250 aircraft are based here -- 188 helicopters and 70 fixed-wing aircraft, including relatively obscure ones such as the Guardrail and the Army National Guard's C-23 Sherpa, which resembles a small flying boxcar. One of the challenges for air controllers is juggling the wide range of airspeeds of incoming aircraft, with five to 15 stacked up in the skies at a time. Having a Predator, with its lawnmower-like engine, flying near an F-16 jet is "like putting a VW bus on a NASCAR racetrack," said Capt. Brian Chandler, the chief of airfield operations.

Pilots find flying into the base a sporting challenge. "It's like putting Chicago-O'Hare right in the middle of Iraq," said Air Force Lt. Col. Tate Johnson, a C-130 pilot who flies here frequently. "It's a very complex air picture."

Another C-130 pilot, Lt. Col. Jim Barlow, said Balad reminded him more of Atlanta's airport. "But," he added, "in Atlanta, there's no one shooting at you."

That overstates the danger a bit. While the base still gets hit occasionally by mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades, it hasn't had a soldier killed in action for two years.

These days the most dangerous spot on the base might be one of its four mess halls. As at other U.S. installations, the food at Balad is both good and abundant, a major change from the early days of the U.S. presence here.

Dinner on the night of Friday, Jan. 27 offered entrees of baked salmon, roast turkey, grilled pork chops, fried crab bites, breaded scallops and fried rice. The smiling servers standing behind those dishes were from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India and Nepal.

Soldiers who were still hungry could hit the two salad bars, the sandwich line or a short-order stand for a cheeseburger, hot dog or grilled cheese sandwich. There were also two soup offerings and a dessert stand near the exit with chocolate mint and vanilla ice cream, banana pudding, pumpkin pie, cherry pie and yellow cake.

For those bored with the mess halls, there are a Subway, a Pizza Hut, a Popeye's, an ersatz Starbucks called "Green Beans" that serves up triple lattes, and a 24-hour Burger King.

It is little wonder that military nutritionists worry. Three years ago, the average U.S. soldier lost about 10 pounds while stationed in Iraq for a year. "Now they gain that much," reported Maj. Polly Graham, an Army dietitian here.

Back at the Balad West PX, Burk, the manager, is pleased that he has managed to tamp down panic buying by visiting troops -- the 82nd Airborne Division always wanting Copenhagen snuff, for instance, or the Air Force hoarding Marlboro Lights. The biggest change in buying preferences in the last two years, he said, is that T-shirts advertising service in Iraq no longer sell quickly.

"A lot of people don't want shirts with OIF on it," Burk said, citing the initials for Operation Iraqi Freedom. "They want clothes they can wear when they get home, and OIF has kind of lost its pizazz."

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:41 PM
You are wrong my friend, Medics are always in field with the soldiers, my recruiter tried to trap me in this statement too. I googled in and was shocked with intensity to which army recruiters lie and the right job description of Medic. I have a friend, who has served as a medic, this not friend to friend type of information, this is something factual.

I would urge you to google the information and if possible find some people who have actually served in the army, their are a few members here who have been posting their opinions rather facts. You MOS can change, if they feel your skills are better in a different area they wills end you there, remember your citizenship will be provisional and that will expire after the end of 4year contract. That allows them to send you wherever they feel like, cause they know you have less to say.

Joining the army is big decision, it is something you cannot waiver from, so good luck

Of course being a Combat Engineer or Field Medic will lead you to the front..no questions about it. Your MOS can change...however the army is very unlikely to do that if you have enlisted in a MOS that requires specialized skills and long training programs. That makes no economic or strategic sense for the army.

And what exactly do you mean by "remember your citizenship will be provisional and that will expire after the end of 4year contract" ?

Your citizenship only gets revoked if you do not honorably complete your 4 year contract term.

kumarc123
05-07-2009, 03:46 PM
Of course being a Combat Engineer or Field Medic will lead you to the front..no questions about it. Your MOS can change...however the army is very unlikely to do that if you have enlisted in a MOS that requires specialized skills and long training programs. That makes no economic or strategic sense for the army.

And what exactly do you mean by "remember your citizenship will be provisional and that will expire after the end of 4year contract" ?

Your citizenship only gets revoked if you do not honorably complete your 4 year contract term.

I am sorry what I meant was you get full and permanent citizenship after you complete the term of serving 4 years on active duty plus 1 more year. So if you decide to step out within that 4 years, your citizenship will get canceled. So my point in 4 years, they can move you around at their wish.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:49 PM
I am sorry what I meant was you get full and permanent citizenship after you complete the term of serving 4 years on active duty plus 1 more year. So if you decide to step out within that 4 years, your citizenship will get canceled. So my point in 4 years, they can move you around at their wish.

Agreed on the moving around part. That is an integral part of every army duty, regardless of your speciality.

From what I know, you get your citizenship within 6 months to 1 year. Of course it will get revoked if you do not complete your 4 year term for non-medical reasons.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 03:52 PM
Another quick bit of information. The Combat Engineer contract is for 3 years. That is because it is a very intense job.

Also, Ravneet I have concrete answers about the application process. Please let me know if I can help you in any way if you decide to join.

kumarc123
05-07-2009, 04:02 PM
Another quick bit of information. The Combat Engineer contract is for 3 years. That is because it is a very intense job.

I am sure you have doesn't you side of search, but I would double check, why would they waiver one year? Something doesn't click right over there.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 04:06 PM
I am sure you have doesn't you side of search, but I would double check, why would they waiver one year? Something doesn't click right over there.

Let me make this very clear, what I am posting is not my opinion or guesses as many members seem to do here. I personally saw the contract in the hand of my roomate who signed up as a combat engineer during MEPS where it clearly said 3 years. However as
a combat engineer you are constantly working with explosives, mines etc. so it makes sense.

MAVNIman
05-07-2009, 04:10 PM
you replied to my post ...so i was replying base on what i hav been saying...so when i read urs it was off......to me...anyway...

In this forum when you quote a poster, you are replying to that poster, not to the last man who posted. That I think is consistent in most forums :)

lexxin
05-12-2009, 02:27 AM
I am interested in the MAVNI program and have been considering enlisting. As I understand the program is implemented in NY. But I have read threads where people from different cities or even states do a MAVNI program. How is it done if I am not in NY, I can go there if I need to. Also is there a recruiter in NY that you would recommend. Thank you.

BSNRN
05-12-2009, 10:34 AM
I am interested in the MAVNI program and have been considering enlisting. As I understand the program is implemented in NY. But I have read threads where people from different cities or even states do a MAVNI program. How is it done if I am not in NY, I can go there if I need to. Also is there a recruiter in NY that you would recommend. Thank you.

yes for translators is only done in NY as at now, but if u are looking to join the medical u can get in touch with ur local recruter in ur state.....the army office at NY that has been very helpful that i know is at 3640 main st. flushing,NY 718-939-6330 was very helpful to me....but i guess any of the NY office will be ok.

MAVNIman
05-12-2009, 02:48 PM
I am interested in the MAVNI program and have been considering enlisting. As I understand the program is implemented in NY. But I have read threads where people from different cities or even states do a MAVNI program. How is it done if I am not in NY, I can go there if I need to. Also is there a recruiter in NY that you would recommend. Thank you.

lexxin, if you travel to New York on your own expenses you can enlist regardless of which state you currently reside in.

lexxin
05-12-2009, 06:32 PM
I called a recruiter in NY. He confirmed that I am eligible even thou I am not in NY. The only thing suspicious to me was that I felt like he was pushing me to do it faster and to sign a letter of intent ASAP because of the limited sits available. I was wondering did anybody else experienced this pressure and is there really a limited amount of people they recruit. I felt they don't have enough people that's why he was acting this way. Thanks.

kumarc123
05-12-2009, 06:42 PM
I called a recruiter in NY. He confirmed that I am eligible even thou I am not in NY. The only thing suspicious to me was that I felt like he was pushing me to do it faster and to sign a letter of intent ASAP because of the limited sits available. I was wondering did anybody else experienced this pressure and is there really a limited amount of people they recruit. I felt they don't have enough people that's why he was acting this way. Thanks.

They tried the same with me, Google about army recruiters, you will be shocked. They want to push you for it, and are known to lie and lure applicants to join army.

I thought about this program, but changed my mind, anything too good to be true, is never too true


Good luck

ichigo85
05-13-2009, 12:00 AM
Lexin,

Dude, the recruiters are trying to enlist people because that's their job. It's like any other marketing campaign you see.

However, it does not matter whether you sign a letter of intent or not. LOI is a agreement between you and the US ARMY that you are allowing them to search info about you. That's all is there to it. However, I would suggest, if you are interested then go for it. otherwise, if you are giving second thoughts, I would suggest, don't waste your time and recruiter's time. You will surely be deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq. As per the news, Obama is sending 20000 troops to Afghanistan for preparing against the fresh offense from Taliban. However, if one is joining the ARMY, being choosy is not the way to go about it.

Think Thoroughly before you act. Don't waste anyone's and your time, if you don't want to join. They will only provide you accommodation for the Physical examination. But before that you have to give ASVAB, which means you will be traveling to NY on your expense.

Take care

Wish_Good
05-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Hi All,

Can anyone post some information about is EST test for this MAVNI enrollment.

Thanks
Wish_Good.

Wish_Good
05-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Sorry there is a typo in my earlier posting.

Reposting here.


Hi All,

Can anyone post some information about EST test for this MAVNI enrollment.

Thanks
Wish_Good.

nomad_musafir
05-13-2009, 11:35 AM
that they had this program a few years ago. I would have been in the front of the line :)
Now that I am married, and have responsibilities, I cannot even think about doing this. All I can do is wish, and be envious of you guys.
I commend all of you who have signed up for MAVNI. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

Good Luck and Be Safe!!!

lexxin
05-13-2009, 12:46 PM
As I understand most of the people enrolling are single if not all. What if there is a spouse? Would I see her at all? How long the deployment overseas would last? How is the spouse thing will work during the 4 year military service. Please share your thoughts and knowledge. Thank you.

ych003
05-15-2009, 03:52 AM
Hey guys! For those who are enlisted as linguists, what rank they will be assigned if they have bachelor degree? Is that negotiable? How about benefits?

I talked to the local recruiter today and he told me thay I will be ranked E-4. I have two kids and married. Can I ask to stay cloase to my house or still will be deployed to Iraq? My native language is Chinese. Thanks.

jk_econ
05-16-2009, 02:24 PM
I am in the process . I have been waiting for approval about 2 month already. So I have a few question.

After you sign the letter of intent , How long have you guys waiting for? i called my recruiter and he said he have not heard from homeland security too. Is anyone in same situation like me?

Thank you for all answer in advance!!!!!! :):D

Ravneetsingh
05-16-2009, 03:32 PM
I am in the process . I have been waiting for approval about 2 month already. So I have a few question.

After you sign the letter of intent , How long have you guys waiting for? i called my recruiter and he said he have not heard from homeland security too. Is anyone in same situation like me?

Thank you for all answer in advance!!!!!! :):D

There is no defined timeframe as yet, however i got my homeland security clearance in 1 business day. I would suggest calling and staying in touch with ur recruiter, keep reminding him/her that how much u r interested....politely ask bout the progress and expected timeframe. Apart from doing that, all u can do is basically wait!!!! my process got slowed down and my recruiter has been "trying" to schedule my MEPS and ASVAb for last 3-4 weeks:mad:

jk_econ
05-17-2009, 01:13 AM
Only 1 business day!!! OMG!! how come my process is soooo slow? OK! i well be wait.....cuz i cant do anything else ....but wait.....haha ! thank you for ur answer, Ravneetsingh!!! I appriciate that!!!:D

lucha
05-17-2009, 03:17 PM
I applied and I got call. I do not know if I qualify or not , as per website the age limit is 41. I filed my 1485 in july 2007 my priority date is march 2004. I am married with two kids, If given chance should I go. I can not run or lift heavy stuff. Please advise/..

spymatrix
05-18-2009, 03:07 AM
Hey guys,

I have already got half way on the program and I will tell you whats to be done. PLEASE DO NOT WAIT TILL THEY CONTACT YOU! Find your own recruiter and get yourself to NY city and get the ball rolling.

They have enough of people coming there. So if you want get your self there get it started. I know Hindi is one rush language. So guys its up to you.

If there is any thing ask me. I have done the Asvab / Phycical and waiting on the OPI test (language test). Hope fully this week i would be enroled.

Anyone taking the asvab there are books for it online.

Good luck guys. I know i need it.

MAVNIman
05-18-2009, 02:43 PM
Hey guys,

I have already got half way on the program and I will tell you whats to be done. PLEASE DO NOT WAIT TILL THEY CONTACT YOU! Find your own recruiter and get yourself to NY city and get the ball rolling.

They have enough of people coming there. So if you want get your self there get it started. I know Hindi is one rush language. So guys its up to you.

If there is any thing ask me. I have done the Asvab / Phycical and waiting on the OPI test (language test). Hope fully this week i would be enroled.

Anyone taking the asvab there are books for it online.

Good luck guys. I know i need it.

Good Luk Spymatrix! While you wait for your OPI please look through the army MOSs to see which one you like.

spymatrix
05-18-2009, 02:48 PM
Yes. I passed all. The asvab / phycical / the g815 ( imigration reqirements) And they have put my OPI test on wednesday. Lets see whats next.

jk_econ
05-19-2009, 12:50 AM
spymatrix....I called my recruiter again! and he said he did not hear anything again....so what should i do? it is not a good thing if i go for new recruiter. And what would i tell my recruiter if i go to NY like u said? for roll the ball!!!! I have been wait already for 2 month. So worry!!!


thank you,

dave2350
05-25-2009, 02:36 AM
Hey guys,

I have done some research about the program but I am getting conflicting info about the contract length. Most of the sources say it's a 4 year term for anyone applying for MAVNI. So I was wondering out of people who have gone all the way and signed a contract if anyone has a less than 4 year term?

Any response is appreciated.

MAVNIman
05-25-2009, 02:40 PM
Hey guys,

I have done some research about the program but I am getting conflicting info about the contract length. Most of the sources say it's a 4 year term for anyone applying for MAVNI. So I was wondering out of people who have gone all the way and signed a contract if anyone has a less than 4 year term?

Any response is appreciated.

Dave the contract term depends on your MOS. Some MOS even have 5 or 6 years of contract term.

dave2350
05-25-2009, 05:37 PM
Dave the contract term depends on your MOS. Some MOS even have 5 or 6 years of contract term.

Ok, but let's say you get qualified for a MOS that has a 2 or 3 year contract for regular recruits. As a MAVNI applicant, do I get the 2 or 3 year contract or will I still have to sign for a minimum of 4 years regardless?

MAVNIman
05-25-2009, 06:37 PM
Ok, but let's say you get qualified for a MOS that has a 2 or 3 year contract for regular recruits. As a MAVNI applicant, do I get the 2 or 3 year contract or will I still have to sign for a minimum of 4 years regardless?

I am not sure there are too many 2 or 3 year contracts. Can you name a few?

dave2350
05-25-2009, 10:04 PM
I am not sure there are too many 2 or 3 year contracts. Can you name a few?

I haven't come across a list of army occupations and their contract terms. But less than 4 year contracts are fairly common. My uncle who served a few years back had a three year one. At one point they were even offering 15 month contracts. I'm not sure about the rules of this forum, if they allow links I can include a link to an article about that particular one.

Now I understand that every contract you sign with army is practically eight years and the active duty part can always be extended if the army needs you to stay longer, but I would like to know if anybody through the MAVNI program has had the option of signing for less than 4 years active duty.

MAVNIman
05-25-2009, 11:20 PM
I haven't come across a list of army occupations and their contract terms. But less than 4 year contracts are fairly common. My uncle who served a few years back had a three year one. At one point they were even offering 15 month contracts. I'm not sure about the rules of this forum, if they allow links I can include a link to an article about that particular one.

Now I understand that every contract you sign with army is practically eight years and the active duty part can always be extended if the army needs you to stay longer, but I would like to know if anybody through the MAVNI program has had the option of signing for less than 4 years active duty.

Dave I am not sure but I think Army MOS Combat Engineer has a 3 year contract. I think that is primarily because it is a tougher and more dangerous job than say Laundry and Shower Specialist.

Indeed the contract term is a total of 8 years with 3/4/5 years in active duty and the rest of the 8 in reserves. I think it is unlikely that your contract will get extended for active duty for the period of the entire 8 years. As far as the MAVNI specific question, I am not sure but I would think MAVNIs have to serve 4 years to earn their citizenship. Not sure though.

dave2350
05-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Dave I am not sure but I think Army MOS Combat Engineer has a 3 year contract. I think that is primarily because it is a tougher and more dangerous job than say Laundry and Shower Specialist.

Indeed the contract term is a total of 8 years with 3/4/5 years in active duty and the rest of the 8 in reserves. I think it is unlikely that your contract will get extended for active duty for the period of the entire 8 years. As far as the MAVNI specific question, I am not sure but I would think MAVNIs have to serve 4 years to earn their citizenship. Not sure though.

MAVNIman, I understand from reading earlier posts that you signed to serve. If you don't mind talking about it, how many different occupations where you offered to choose from? And were all of them 4 year terms?

arul
05-27-2009, 08:20 PM
Kumusta! On a totally unrelated note, how long will it take for you to get your green card on EB3? My wife's priority date is June or July 2008, she's on EB3, Pinoy too. Thanks.

BharatPremi
05-27-2009, 08:48 PM
....If you are not willing to die for your home country, you will most certainly not be willing to die for the USA. As thus, this is not for you.....

Logically and ethically this does not make sense. For an example, if you really are a patriot of your home country Phillipines you would be ready to die for Philipines and in that case you would not choose to take citizenship of any other country no matter what. You simply can not sell your soul if you are real patriot. period.

BharatPremi
05-27-2009, 09:11 PM
......MAVNIman, Ravneetsingh, derekjbj, darcons, and anyone else that is trying to join the military, I hope you succeed in doing so, you make us and this country proud..... Godspeed.

:p How come that act can make us proud? As long as any single person on this board who has not got US citizenship, how s/he can be proud of other person joining US Army? That does not make sense...And you are not a US citizen ( therfore you are on this board) then how can you tell that this country (Traslates to USA) is proud of their action? And if for the sake of argument let's say USA is proud of them then what about their home countries? Technically, ethically they should be loyal to their home country at this moment as they have citizenship of their home country.They are holding of citizenship of one particular home country right at this moment and they clearly show carelessnees and perhaps disloyality towards their home country right at this moment how they can be loyal to USA?

BharatPremi
05-27-2009, 09:23 PM
well, again this forum is for informative purposes, not to force ur judgments onto others. Its a shame to find such posts as by Kumarc123...do u think I dont know wat army means and wat wud be my job profile? thousands of young US citizens putting their life on stake for their country are A holes???:mad:, do they not know wat future beholds..they do it even though they are already US citizens. I am a RN, I respect the lifestyle, discipline and respect army, any country's army, get. I like to treat people on the verge, very critical. Wartime service has its own rewards, fulfilling beyond money or citizenship. U have ur opinions, but be thankful to ppl who make US a safer place. I am sure no one in ur family ever was in army, so u'll never understand. The point is if u can not provide any help, please move on, dont threadcrap. I am not sure why am i wasting time addressing u anyway, however, back to the original point, can somebdy provide insight on MAVNIman's issue as to wat possibly cud "update ur I94 means"? any help appreciates guys!

Not only conceptually but really you are a Indian citizen right now AT THIS MOMENT (As you are claiming on your profile). If you would become US Citizen first and then join US Army... That can completely be acceptable. All countries and societies of the world accept that.By remaining as Indian Citizen and joining US army or for the sake of argument any other army ( Except UN force) is a treason towards India. If you do not have that simple understanding then I pray for US army.. What kind of nuts it is going to hire.

ichigo85
05-27-2009, 10:56 PM
Woh...i came back after a month on this forum. And Apologies to all the people who sent me a private message but i was not available. I hope things are going smoothly for you guys out there. And lets stop this crap that I love US and I want to serve this country. MAN...be honest...the CARROT is US CITIZENSHIP.

JunRN
05-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Logically and ethically this does not make sense. For an example, if you really are a patriot of your home country Phillipines you would be ready to die for Philipines and in that case you would not choose to take citizenship of any other country no matter what. You simply can not sell your soul if you are real patriot. period.

Patriotism to country is the equivalent of fanaticism to a religion. While we don't call our love for our country a "religion", the concept is the same. If we look at the big picture, US military is fighting for their system of beliefs -- democracy-- against other system of belief.

The Philippines is a democratic country so it is alright for its citizen to fight with American soldiers in a fight to protect and propagate democracy.

MAVNIman
05-28-2009, 03:43 AM
Woh...i came back after a month on this forum. And Apologies to all the people who sent me a private message but i was not available. I hope things are going smoothly for you guys out there. And lets stop this crap that I love US and I want to serve this country. MAN...be honest...the CARROT is US CITIZENSHIP.

So you are living in the US only for the financial benefits and the freedom this society offers but will leave this country in a heartbeat if the ship wobbles or sinks?

I have lived in this country for almost a decade. Should I not call this my home? You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries. Some actually love this place? You can be born anywhere in the world and still live and love another country.

Yes the US Citizenship is a great benefit of this program. However what better way to gain your citizenship than to stand by it in its time of need? Marriage? Fake Assylum? 10-12 years no-guarantee naturalization process through employers and lawyers? I do not think so. Do you know how many European immigrants received their citizenship by fighting in WW2?

Thank about these things before making a sweeping one line generalization.

MAVNIman
05-28-2009, 03:58 AM
Not only conceptually but really you are a Indian citizen right now AT THIS MOMENT (As you are claiming on your profile). If you would become US Citizen first and then join US Army... That can completely be acceptable. All countries and societies of the world accept that.By remaining as Indian Citizen and joining US army or for the sake of argument any other army ( Except UN force) is a treason towards India. If you do not have that simple understanding then I pray for US army.. What kind of nuts it is going to hire.


BP, so tell me if I wanted to serve the US and I was born in another country how can I do so without the MAVNI program? I have a different passport now but what if I wanted to immigrate? Would I not have my current passport till my new passport came in the mail?You are mixing bureaucratic paperwork with one's identity of self. I am assuming you are working in the USA. So are you a traitor for leaving your home country for coming and utilizing your skills to serve this society (skills you mostly developed while in your homecountry)? I do not think so. People have the right to pursue their dreams, ideals and happiness. Who are you to call people traitors?

BharatPremi
05-28-2009, 10:58 PM
Patriotism to country is the equivalent of fanaticism to a religion.....

Very good. Would you try to discuss this fact with US military after joining it and/or after becoming US citizen? They wil give you a very good answer to this. Good for you that Phillipines allows you to join foreign army while you have its citizenship.

BharatPremi
05-28-2009, 11:13 PM
BP, so tell me if I wanted to serve the US and I was born in another country how can I do so without the MAVNI program? I have a different passport now but what if I wanted to immigrate? Would I not have my current passport till my new passport came in the mail?You are mixing bureaucratic paperwork with one's identity of self. I am assuming you are working in the USA. So are you a traitor for leaving your home country for coming and utilizing your skills to serve this society (skills you mostly developed while in your homecountry)? I do not think so. People have the right to pursue their dreams, ideals and happiness. Who are you to call people traitors?

Chill down, man. That fellow has already claimed that he is Indian Citizen right now and Indian constitution does not allow her citizen to join foreign army (Except UN and/or international forces). It is a treason. That fellow does not have a clue what he is upto and what consequences he will have to go though during the period he will not yet US citizen and serving US army whie holding Indian Citizenship. US army allow foreign persons to join its army does not make a person fully safe. S/he also need to see whether his/her country allows to serve foreign army while holdig the citizenship of that country.

And just for your knowledge, To work in USA (Even for a long time) does not translate for some persons to have US citizenship. That person can work in US with Green Card til s/he die. And at least for the citizens of India, as per the law of the land, working in foreign countries legally for any period of time is not a crime and/or treason. So without understanding the context do not pour your venom here.

Note: If your country allows to serve foreign army while holding its citizenship I or anybody
should not have any problem. And if at all you are a born citizen of India beware
about this fact. FIrst do your home work about what will happen to you while you
serve US Army while holding Indian Citizenship. For an example if you do not go to
India after joining US army till getting US citizenship you perhaps may be fine but if
you will try to land in India before getting US citizenship, land of the law would react
differently. I do not the consxequences, perhaps a good lawyer in India can guide
such a person.

sankap
05-29-2009, 01:33 AM
The Wall Street Journal: MAY 29, 2009

A Korean Invasion Blindsides the U.S. Army -- but in a Good Way (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355542084664647.html#mod%3Dtodays_us_page_one %26project%3DJAMESFULL0905%26articleTabs%3Darticle )
Immigrants From Peninsula Swamp Program Offering Citizenship; Other Groups Squeezed


By MIRIAM JORDAN

LOS ANGELES -- Suk Joon Lee, a South Korean immigrant, feared his days in the U.S. were numbered. His ice-cream shop wasn't doing well, and if it failed, his investor visa could be revoked.

Then Mr. Lee stumbled upon a Korean-language Web site that described a way out: a program that the Army was about to launch that offered a shortcut to getting U.S. citizenship. The site was created by another Korean immigrant, James Hwang, and it explained in minute detail the steps required to qualify.

"James knew everything about the program, and he wasn't even in the military," says the 27-year-old Mr. Lee. In February, Mr. Lee, along with hundreds of other Korean immigrants who had learned about the pilot program from Mr. Hwang, descended on Army recruiting centers in New York to enlist.
Citizen Force

The program was authorized without fanfare late last year by Defense Secretary Robert Gates to attract temporary immigrants who speak strategically important languages such as Arabic, Farsi and Korean. The bait: The soldiers could immediately apply for U.S. citizenship, skipping the sometimes decadelong process of securing a green card first.

So many Koreans have applied, however, that the Army doesn't need them all.

Koreans form the largest group among the 8,000 applicants for the program, launched on Feb. 23. Many have excellent credentials, including degrees in medicine and engineering. Almost all are veterans of South Korea's own compulsory military service.

"The quality of these applicants has been phenomenal," says Lt. Col. Peter Badoian, the project officer for the pilot program. "But we didn't anticipate one immigrant community would respond so strongly."

The promise of America lures thousands of South Koreans to the U.S. each year. Korean students enroll in U.S. colleges. Others start small businesses in order to get temporary visas.

But many get tied up in bureaucracy.

That's the predicament Mr. Hwang and his wife, Irene, found themselves in. The couple arrived in the U.S. in 2001 on student visas. Both of them are trained physicians. They held other temporary permits, including H1-B skilled-worker visas. After Mrs. Hwang gave birth to a son in California, the couple in 2006 applied for green cards. Immigration authorities approved Mrs. Hwang in eight months. Mr. Hwang's case languished, held up, he says, by a Federal Bureau of Investigation background check that hadn't been completed.

Immigrants who are permanent residents, such as Mrs. Hwang, have long been eligible to join the U.S. military. In May 2007, she enlisted so she could quickly secure U.S. citizenship and sponsor her dying father to remain with her in the U.S.

Yet her husband's frustration with the green-card process mounted. "Last year, I was one step away from suing the government" for the processing delay, he says.

Then he got wind of a program in the works that would enable temporary immigrants to enlist and become U.S. citizens in six months. Tapping into a Korean-American network in the Army, the Hwangs gathered details about the program months before it was official.

In November 2008, Secretary Gates approved a one-year pilot program that the Army would unveil in New York City within months. Mr. Hwang, who was eager to enlist, felt obligated to share his research with other Koreans in the same bind.

"If the program is going to offer people like me the opportunity to stay in the U.S., I thought I should give as many Koreans as possible the chance to learn about it," says Mr. Hwang.

He created a free site (cafe.daum.net/USmilitary). He specified the eligibility requirements for the program: Applicants must have lived in the U.S. for at least two years and have a valid temporary-resident visa. Enlistees with language skills must agree to a minimum four years of active duty, which could very well be in Iraq or Afghanistan, and four years in the Reserves.

Mr. Hwang started leading free study sessions live online to prepare applicants for the standardized military entrance exam. "He would give us a lot of homework," says Mr. Lee, the struggling ice-cream entrepreneur, about the prep classes held three nights a week.

Mr. Lee, who has spiky, gelled hair and is partial to pink polo shirts, served two years as a conscript in Korea. He says joining the U.S. Army doesn't daunt him.

Neither did the math he needed for the exam. Leafing through pages of algebra, geometry and trigonometry in Mr. Hwang's study guide, Mr. Lee says, "We learned this stuff in junior high in Korea."

But the English vocabulary was tough. Mr. Hwang advised his students to make flash cards. He then quizzed them on the meaning of words such as lament, hasten and mangle.

W.S. Yang, a 30-year-old vocational student who followed Mr. Hwang's tutorials from Salisbury, Md., says that sometimes the sessions stretched to 3 a.m. "I would fall asleep in my college classes the next day," he recalls. Another participant, who logged on from Seoul during work hours, got in some trouble when his boss caught him answering Mr. Hwang's questions.

As word spread about the Army pilot program, recruiting offices across the U.S. were inundated with calls and visits from Koreans. "They knew about the program before we did," says Sgt. Joshua Cannon, who runs an Army recruiting center in Los Angeles.

In February, Mr. Lee boarded a red-eye flight from Los Angeles to New York so he could be one of the first in line. He handed over his birth certificate, high-school diploma and college transcripts. He answered an "enlistment prescreening checklist" with questions like, "Do you have all your toes?" and "Have you ever had any body parts pierced?" He answered yes on the first, no on the second.

All told, he made three trips to New York and spent about $3,000 in his quest to enlist. He reports for basic training on Aug. 18 and then will train as a dental technician. Mr. Yang of Maryland is looking forward to working as an Apache helicopter repairman.

The Army recently expanded the pilot program to Los Angeles, home to the largest Korean community in the U.S. Koreans accounted for 20 out of the 22 applicants who had shown up at a recruiting station in a suburban mall by the second afternoon.

"It's crazy here," says Sgt. Cannon as he tried to help two Koreans and handle a barrage of phone inquiries.

The Army continues to process applications from Koreans, but it is unlikely to accept all those who qualify. "The Army also needs speakers of Pashtu, Urdu and Arabic," says Lt. Col. Badoian.

Mr. Hwang says he is committed to maintaining his site, which now includes tips from fresh enlistees. One recent post recommends a particular recruiter in Long Island City, N.Y.; another complains about the long wait for a physical exam.

This month, Mr. Hwang gathered about a dozen of his "recruits" for a celebratory weekend in Las Vegas. But after setting off the Korean enlistment frenzy, he himself won't be signing up.

It so happens, he received his green card in early February -- just before the Army launched the pilot program.

Write to Miriam Jordan at miriam.jordan@wsj.com

JunRN
05-29-2009, 02:11 AM
Very good. Would you try to discuss this fact with US military after joining it and/or after becoming US citizen? They wil give you a very good answer to this. Good for you that Phillipines allows you to join foreign army while you have its citizenship.

As a matter of fact, our great grandfathers/mothers fought along with US soldiers during WW1/2 and was promised same benefits as US Soldiers. After the war, US Congress rescinded the promise and only now, Obama signed the bill that pays veterans of what is due, when most of them are already dead or dying of old age.

arul
05-29-2009, 12:57 PM
As a matter of fact, our great grandfathers/mothers fought along with US soldiers during WW1/2 and was promised same benefits as US Soldiers.

I'm an Indian and my wife is a Filipina. Her grand-uncle fought in the war on the American side in the mid-40's. He's still alive and was very happy to hear the news about the 62-year old compensation that was due to him. My wife's grandfather also fought on the American side but he passed away long ago, so there's no compensation for his surviving family (the grandmother, we call her Lola). Lola still lives in the province in the Philippines, she chose not to go to the US.

I've also known a few Indians who had to fight on the British side (as pilots) during World War II.

Those times were different, and India and the Philippines were either under British or American rule. Those were times of war and people joined other powerful armies for various reasons (for a better life, etc).

Now the scenario is different. We left our countries to the US to study or work because we feel the opportunities here are better than in our home countries. Our selected paths are mostly in the areas of science, technology, and other non-combat areas.

From what I understood, the US army recruiters are marketing the rosy path to US citizenship while hiding the realities of where they'll really be shipped. They are targeting people on work visas - all the people I know in Fairfax, VA were on H1-B visas and on bench. People who signed up have little or no clue about army life. They are mostly engineers whose bodies definitely aren't trained for army careers if it involves active duty outside the US.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry if I offended anyone.

JunRN
05-29-2009, 01:18 PM
This is no different from WW. US is fighting 2 wars and recruiting even non-immigrants. During WW1/2, my grandfather was a simple carpenter but when the US Navy asked for volunteers to join them, my grandpa signed up and boarded the carrier. They were sent to Vietnam, I think. It came with a promise of same benefits as US soldiers and possible citizenship.

Now, non-immigrant engineers, nurses, etc are being recruited and promised almost same thing plus expedited citizenship.

BharatPremi
05-29-2009, 08:41 PM
As a matter of fact, our great grandfathers/mothers fought along with US soldiers during WW1/2 and was promised same benefits as US Soldiers. After the war, US Congress rescinded the promise and only now, Obama signed the bill that pays veterans of what is due, when most of them are already dead or dying of old age.

Well, I do not want to judge this event ( I take your word and consider this as fact, as I, as a citizen of thrid country - (Bharat that is India,) personally do not have a clue and knowledge about this fact)on behalf of Phillipines nationals but you or other national of Philipines who may be eager to enroll in this Program may certainly make judgements about future consequences.

JunRN
05-30-2009, 01:31 AM
Well, I do not want to judge this event ( I take your word and consider this as fact, as I, as a citizen of thrid country - (Bharat that is India,) personally do not have a clue and knowledge about this fact)on behalf of Phillipines nationals but you or other national of Philipines who may be eager to enroll in this Program may certainly make judgements about future consequences.

Actually, I am not enrolling. I already have an approved I-140 and my I-485 is already pre-adjudicated. This is not my calling though.

All I'm telling is that this is not new to Filipinos and as Filipinos, we can fight along side with American soldiers to depend democracy, anywhere in the world. This has been a tradition in the past and it continues until today. Getting citizenship is a bonus for Filipinos.

MAVNINovice
06-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Hey Guys,

Anyone who have joined MAVNI as a language professional. I am half way through and I am going for the Medical and the OPI. Confused what to do? I am on H1b visa and filed for extension.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

smangc
06-04-2009, 01:24 PM
Mavninovice I joined under Language specialist category what is your question?

MAVNINovice
06-04-2009, 01:38 PM
Cool. So can I get a number to reach so that I can talk to you in detail? because I have to call them and give an answer today :)

smangc
06-04-2009, 01:57 PM
MAVNINOVICE i just sent you a private message.

MAVNINovice
06-04-2009, 02:36 PM
Did you get my message Smangc

smangc
06-04-2009, 02:51 PM
I responded back to you.

simple1
06-04-2009, 03:48 PM
If you are a US citizen and serve in a foreign army, you can lose your US citizenship (unless you hold dual citizenship in the country of service).

The same applies to indian citizen.

Even applying for a postion in foreign army may create issues. So consult an indian lawyer and proceed. This is not a UN or a peace keeping force. you are applying for a foreign army.

That is the reason French foreign legion even creates psuedo name for new joinee. The contract is not signed in the legal name. It is also possible to pose as another national.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion

"When looking at the overall recruitment chart, one must keep in mind that the Legion accepts people enlisting under a nationality that is not their own. The large number of Swiss and Belgians are actually more likely than not Frenchmen who wish to avoid detection.[9]"

ych003
06-08-2009, 03:05 AM
Finally I decided to quit this pilot program.

I had been communicating with an Army Recruiter in CA who said that they can take care of MAVNI Program for a month or so. Suddenly my file was transferred to another station. Until now I had no idea what was going on. I asked why and nobody reponded me, even the Commender who is in charge of the whole Southern CA. I guess this is why so many people adviced me to be careful when they knew I am interested in joining the Army.

Acoording to what I was told by a local Commander who I believe is honest, I would like to warn those who are interestedof the Linguist Program (I don't know anything about the medical parts):

(1) There is no such thing to be enlisted as a Linguist. The US has their own Linguist Program and all of the MAVNI enlistees will be assigned or choose MOS based on the ASVAB score. Nobody will be a Linguist via this pilot program!

(2) For those who have bachelor degree or above, you will be an officer ONLY when you are younger than 29 years old limit. If you are 28 years old in 2009, and you get your citizenship in 2010, then you are no longer eligable to be an officer.

(3) Every enlistee through this program will definitely be deployed to the war, no matter what.

When I was told the truth by this Commender, I was stuned for a while and felt like being cheated. My suggest is that do not 100% believe what the recruiters say. Ask them to put promises in words by writing. This is an advice that an Navy Attorney offered. Good luck, folks! Citizenship is attractive, but nothing is free ...

kumarc123
06-08-2009, 10:37 AM
Finally I decided to quit this pilot program.

I had been communicating with an Army Recruiter in CA who said that they can take care of MAVNI Program for a month or so. Suddenly my file was transferred to another station. Until now I had no idea what was going on. I asked why and nobody reponded me, even the Commender who is in charge of the whole Southern CA. I guess this is why so many people adviced me to be careful when they knew I am interested in joining the Army.

Acoording to what I was told by a local Commander who I believe is honest, I would like to warn those who are interestedof the Linguist Program (I don't know anything about the medical parts):

(1) There is no such thing to be enlisted as a Linguist. The US has their own Linguist Program and all of the MAVNI enlistees will be assigned or choose MOS based on the ASVAB score. Nobody will be a Linguist via this pilot program!

(2) For those who have bachelor degree or above, you will be an officer ONLY when you are younger than 29 years old limit. If you are 28 years old in 2009, and you get your citizenship in 2010, then you are no longer eligable to be an officer.

(3) Every enlistee through this program will definitely be deployed to the war, no matter what.

When I was told the truth by this Commender, I was stuned for a while and felt like being cheated. My suggest is that do not 100% believe what the recruiters say. Ask them to put promises in words by writing. This is an advice that an Navy Attorney offered. Good luck, folks! Citizenship is attractive, but nothing is free ...


What did you think? US will give citizenship just like that,

To many loop holes in this process, I had someone also tell me, 4 years is a enlisted contract, but also includes an extension in the form of reserves. ( 4 +)

I love this country but not to the point , I will risk my life for it, it's just me ,


Good luck

maximus777
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM
What did you think? US will give citizenship just like that,

To many loop holes in this process, I had someone also tell me, 4 years is a enlisted contract, but also includes an extension in the form of reserves. ( 4 +)

I love this country but not to the point , I will risk my life for it, it's just me ,


Good luck

That's precisely what I was thinking too. Is USC a reward big enough to warrant risking my life and bringing misery to my dependents? :confused:

kumarc123
06-08-2009, 12:25 PM
That's precisely what I was thinking too. Is USC a reward big enough to warrant risking my life and bringing misery to my dependents? :confused:

I agree with you my friend, the moment my parents heard about this, their BP went up. India has much more to offer, why waste your education, time to something which has no future. Think about it, you spend 6 or 7 years in this process, you get citizenship, you then approach an employer, and employer is looking for some type of job experience and you tell him, I was in war for last 7 years, what are his chances to offer you that job?

1. You were not involved in any project lately, for which he is looking for a potential employee
2. If I am the employer I will be more concerned about employee's mental health, he may be suffering from a post dramatic stress


I know US citizenship is something, but not everything in the world. I know the backlog right now is a problem, but it will clear out soon. I am confident Obama administration will do something about this, Lets be positive about it,


Good luck to all

sriramkalyan
06-08-2009, 12:34 PM
Most of us love to work for this country. But not to the point of Joining Army.
We could have done that at our home country.

But personally i feel i want to contribute to NATIONAL SECURITY OF USA. May be like working for DISA, Network Security or NSA.

If US govt can offer similar thing for these jobs, they would get lot of good talent to fight Cyber Warfare.

sayantan76
06-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Most of us love to work for this country. But not to the point of Joining Army.
We could have done that at our home country.

But personally i feel i want to contribute to NATIONAL SECURITY OF USA. May be like working for DISA, Network Security or NSA.

If US govt can offer similar thing for these jobs, they would get lot of good talent to fight Cyber Warfare.
another point to consider is following (and without any disrespect to anyone in uniform - regardless of the country)

Assuming all EB folks here are at least holders of undergrad degrees - in their respective countries - they would be officers in armed forces and assuming folks are in late 20s or early to mid 30s - they would be at least Captains or Majors or equivalents in Navy or Air Force. Even in the current professions, most people would have made career advances and are not really at entry levels.

When you decide to join a highly hierarchical organization like the armed forces and are making a transition from being a mid career executive to a very junior enlisted recruit - there are huge psychological changes in your personality that you would have to make.....i have friends and relatives in armed forces (both in India and USA) - there is a huge (and really huge) difference in being an officer and a regular recruit.

lexxin
06-08-2009, 06:43 PM
Does anyone know what is the pay for the recruits through the MAVNI program. I heard its less then $20k does anyone know. Don't need any specifics just the possible range. Thank you.

92lima
06-11-2009, 09:53 AM
Does anyone know what is the pay for the recruits through the MAVNI program. I heard its less then $20k does anyone know. Don't need any specifics just the possible range. Thank you.

The pay is the same as other enlisted soldier. I am currently enlisted through MAVNI program. My ship out date for BCT is June 29. Please feel free to ask me any question regarding the MAVNI progra. You can also reach me at nyinyinaing8@yahoo.com

92lima
06-11-2009, 09:59 AM
What did you think? US will give citizenship just like that,

To many loop holes in this process, I had someone also tell me, 4 years is a enlisted contract, but also includes an extension in the form of reserves. ( 4 +)

I love this country but not to the point , I will risk my life for it, it's just me ,


Good luck

Every US military contract has 8 years of contract. From the 8 years, you have to serve 4 years for US Army if you join through MAVNI linguistic program. The rest 4 years is pretty much on call; we call it Inactive Reserve. They will call you back if they need you urgently. However, if you are medical professional, you can select join 3 years of Army active duty or 6 years of Army reserve duty. The same policy also apply here,,you still have to sign the contract for 8 years of military contract. However, it is very unlikely that they call you back during your Inactive Reserve period.
If anyone still have any question regarding the MAVNI program, please feel free to reach me at nyinyinaing8@yahoo.com I am not Army recruiter. I am just a normal enlisted through MAVNI program. I have been through visa problems as many of you do. Therefore, I understand exactly whats going on, and what you really expect from this program. I will try my best to give you the correction to enlist through MAVNI.

kumarc123
06-11-2009, 10:56 AM
Every US military contract has 8 years of contract. From the 8 years, you have to serve 4 years for US Army if you join through MAVNI linguistic program. The rest 4 years is pretty much on call; we call it Inactive Reserve. They will call you back if they need you urgently. However, if you are medical professional, you can select join 3 years of Army active duty or 6 years of Army reserve duty. The same policy also apply here,,you still have to sign the contract for 8 years of military contract. However, it is very unlikely that they call you back during your Inactive Reserve period.
If anyone still have any question regarding the MAVNI program, please feel free to reach me at nyinyinaing8@yahoo.com I am not Army recruiter. I am just a normal enlisted through MAVNI program. I have been through visa problems as many of you do. Therefore, I understand exactly whats going on, and what you really expect from this program. I will try my best to give you the correction to enlist through MAVNI.

What's your point? their is nothing on the call thing in the army! It is knows as reserves, the way things are going, do you really think, soldiers can be on reserve for long? How do we know US will not go on war against N. Korea?


Next time, when you quote something, please state the objective of the statement.

92lima
06-11-2009, 11:12 AM
What's your point? their is nothing on the call thing in the army! It is knows as reserves, the way things are going, do you really think, soldiers can be on reserve for long? How do we know US will not go on war against N. Korea?


Next time, when you quote something, please state the objective of the statement.

I just try to give you the info. I called it on call coz I want to make lay man like you understand what I talked about. In military term, the other four years I talked about is called Inactive Reserve. It is not reserve army. Reserve army enlist has to go to drill two days every month and 2 weeks in a year. Inactive Reserve do not have to go to drill at reserve. I hope you got my point. I have no idea of whether we are going to war against N. Korea or not. My concern is I am just trying to give you the correct information about US military contract. I dont want anybody upset by seeing 8 years in military contract while they expected to see only 4 years in contract. This is military contract. Just deal or no deal.

kumarc123
06-11-2009, 01:01 PM
I just try to give you the info. I called it on call coz I want to make lay man like you understand what I talked about. In military term, the other four years I talked about is called Inactive Reserve. It is not reserve army. Reserve army enlist has to go to drill two days every month and 2 weeks in a year. Inactive Reserve do not have to go to drill at reserve. I hope you got my point. I have no idea of whether we are going to war against N. Korea or not. My concern is I am just trying to give you the correct information about US military contract. I dont want anybody upset by seeing 8 years in military contract while they expected to see only 4 years in contract. This is military contract. Just deal or no deal.

Thanks for the update man,

ichigo85
06-11-2009, 01:10 PM
So you are living in the US only for the financial benefits and the freedom this society offers but will leave this country in a heartbeat if the ship wobbles or sinks?

I have lived in this country for almost a decade. Should I not call this my home? You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries. Some actually love this place? You can be born anywhere in the world and still live and love another country.

Yes the US Citizenship is a great benefit of this program. However what better way to gain your citizenship than to stand by it in its time of need? Marriage? Fake Assylum? 10-12 years no-guarantee naturalization process through employers and lawyers? I do not think so. Do you know how many European immigrants received their citizenship by fighting in WW2?

Thank about these things before making a sweeping one line generalization.


Hi Mavni man, Well if you have lived here for over a decade you might consider this as your home. I agree with you. But for a person who has not even spent 4 years here...I can not consider this as my Home country. Well I am not making a generalized statement. This is human nature --- people work for profit. Only when you achieve certain level, you work for welfare. this can be descibed very well in Maslow hierarchy of needs. Well, your point of view will be different from me because we are two different individuals.

At this point in my life, when I am starting my career -- yes I am here for financial gain and better job opportunities. I understand India has a very good economic growth and jobs are there, but the economic compensations are not that lucrative. As far as the freedom of society is concerned, i was born in a country which is also democratic, so this statement does not apply to me. For me to stick with the sinking boat, I would need a reason to protect it. As far as I know, US has not yet given me that reason.

Don't take my statement otherwise. i like this country as much as you do. When you are talking about LOVE about this country - what are you referring to? The society structure? The economic structure? ---It's the overall package you are talking about. this is what I am assuming. As far your statement goes "You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries" ---- I am not that kind of an individual either.

Also, i totally agree with you and disagree with methods of obtainign Citizenship via fake Marriage and Fake Assylum. I also agree that through lawyer the way is even more difficult. BUT BUT BUT........I am not going to clean the mess which US has created because of their interfering nature. Why should I go to a war in which I have no reason to participate. Joining the army is differen but going to a war in which I have no relation....I don't know. Again this is my opinion...I stand by it. You are entitled to your opinion and you will stand by it.

So if you read my earlier posts also, you will find, I have never discouraged anyone from joining. I have said...those who are joining, Be safe and do good. But if you don't consider this country your home country from the inside of your heart, DO NOT JOIN. I cannot sing the national anthem of this country and forget India's national anthem. ----I simply cannot do it. Its difficult to trade my life and family for US citizenship. the reward is great and once in a lifetime offer.....but not everyone can take it. :D

imhere
06-11-2009, 01:30 PM
Hi,

I am not sure that you can help me in this or not, but I see you guys are pretty aware of the program I wants to ask about “MAVNI.”.

• I am on H1B (exp- 2011) Wife/Son h4(Exp-2011)
• Joining MAVNI Sep 2009.
• F1 to H1 (Stamping Pending yet)

I have couple simple questions if you can help me to give answer.

1. As I will be in army training and they will adjust my status, but what will happen to my wife/son if they will be USA and their H4 want work as I want be no more on H1. And what will be their status during this time.
2. What if I send them back to my origin country and after coming back from training/naturalization how much time you see it may take? Do you see any difficulty reentering them? What will be their status, once they reenter?

About my background, none of us has any single criminal history except couple speeding ticket. 

I appreciate if you can through some light in this, which will help me to take faster decision for their accommodation and all.

Thankful to you.

kumarc123
06-11-2009, 02:24 PM
Hi Mavni man, Well if you have lived here for over a decade you might consider this as your home. I agree with you. But for a person who has not even spent 4 years here...I can not consider this as my Home country. Well I am not making a generalized statement. This is human nature --- people work for profit. Only when you achieve certain level, you work for welfare. this can be descibed very well in Maslow hierarchy of needs. Well, your point of view will be different from me because we are two different individuals.

At this point in my life, when I am starting my career -- yes I am here for financial gain and better job opportunities. I understand India has a very good economic growth and jobs are there, but the economic compensations are not that lucrative. As far as the freedom of society is concerned, i was born in a country which is also democratic, so this statement does not apply to me. For me to stick with the sinking boat, I would need a reason to protect it. As far as I know, US has not yet given me that reason.

Don't take my statement otherwise. i like this country as much as you do. When you are talking about LOVE about this country - what are you referring to? The society structure? The economic structure? ---It's the overall package you are talking about. this is what I am assuming. As far your statement goes "You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries" ---- I am not that kind of an individual either.

Also, i totally agree with you and disagree with methods of obtainign Citizenship via fake Marriage and Fake Assylum. I also agree that through lawyer the way is even more difficult. BUT BUT BUT........I am not going to clean the mess which US has created because of their interfering nature. Why should I go to a war in which I have no reason to participate. Joining the army is differen but going to a war in which I have no relation....I don't know. Again this is my opinion...I stand by it. You are entitled to your opinion and you will stand by it.

So if you read my earlier posts also, you will find, I have never discouraged anyone from joining. I have said...those who are joining, Be safe and do good. But if you don't consider this country your home country from the inside of your heart, DO NOT JOIN. I cannot sing the national anthem of this country and forget India's national anthem. ----I simply cannot do it. Its difficult to trade my life and family for US citizenship. the reward is great and once in a lifetime offer.....but not everyone can take it. :D


Very well said my friend, kudos to you

MAVNINovice
06-22-2009, 02:41 PM
I am also shiping in Sept 09 but army recruiter told me that first you will get your citizenship then you will apply for your family and they will help you expedite the process for your family. They recomended not to send your family out of country.

I will recommend have your wife change the status for a year until you get your citizenship to be on a safer side. Send me a private message if you need more information.

Thanks

MAVNINovice
06-22-2009, 03:31 PM
Smanc I sent you a private message. Pls read

maximus777
06-22-2009, 05:52 PM
Hi Mavni man, Well if you have lived here for over a decade you might consider this as your home. I agree with you. But for a person who has not even spent 4 years here...I can not consider this as my Home country. Well I am not making a generalized statement. This is human nature --- people work for profit. Only when you achieve certain level, you work for welfare. this can be descibed very well in Maslow hierarchy of needs. Well, your point of view will be different from me because we are two different individuals.

At this point in my life, when I am starting my career -- yes I am here for financial gain and better job opportunities. I understand India has a very good economic growth and jobs are there, but the economic compensations are not that lucrative. As far as the freedom of society is concerned, i was born in a country which is also democratic, so this statement does not apply to me. For me to stick with the sinking boat, I would need a reason to protect it. As far as I know, US has not yet given me that reason.

Don't take my statement otherwise. i like this country as much as you do. When you are talking about LOVE about this country - what are you referring to? The society structure? The economic structure? ---It's the overall package you are talking about. this is what I am assuming. As far your statement goes "You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries" ---- I am not that kind of an individual either.

Also, i totally agree with you and disagree with methods of obtainign Citizenship via fake Marriage and Fake Assylum. I also agree that through lawyer the way is even more difficult. BUT BUT BUT........I am not going to clean the mess which US has created because of their interfering nature. Why should I go to a war in which I have no reason to participate. Joining the army is differen but going to a war in which I have no relation....I don't know. Again this is my opinion...I stand by it. You are entitled to your opinion and you will stand by it.

So if you read my earlier posts also, you will find, I have never discouraged anyone from joining. I have said...those who are joining, Be safe and do good. But if you don't consider this country your home country from the inside of your heart, DO NOT JOIN. I cannot sing the national anthem of this country and forget India's national anthem. ----I simply cannot do it. Its difficult to trade my life and family for US citizenship. the reward is great and once in a lifetime offer.....but not everyone can take it. :D

Could not agree with you more. Very well put

sayantan76
06-22-2009, 08:06 PM
So you are living in the US only for the financial benefits and the freedom this society offers but will leave this country in a heartbeat if the ship wobbles or sinks?

I have lived in this country for almost a decade. Should I not call this my home? You do understand that not all people just use the US to store money in their home countries. Some actually love this place? You can be born anywhere in the world and still live and love another country.

Yes the US Citizenship is a great benefit of this program. However what better way to gain your citizenship than to stand by it in its time of need? Marriage? Fake Assylum? 10-12 years no-guarantee naturalization process through employers and lawyers? I do not think so. Do you know how many European immigrants received their citizenship by fighting in WW2?

Thank about these things before making a sweeping one line generalization.
its a debatable point of view.......a large majority of US Citizens are against the various "wars" that US is fighting right now. The Govt is carrying on with the wars against the wishes of its own people.....so by joining the Armed Forces and helping the Govt continue to ignore its Citizens' wishes - are you really proving your patriotism or actually betraying the country (since a country is nothing but the people who call it their motherland)?

just a point of view - without any disrespect to the men and women in uniform who are serving with honor and valor.

rksaigal
06-22-2009, 08:43 PM
Although people are against war in Iraq, but there is still a huge support for war in Afghanistan. Its just a feeling of patriotism that a citizen born and brought up has when he goes to defend his land even when it implies invasion.

When Kargill happened in India, there was a sense of patriotism in the country and people came in droves to enroll in Army. Joining another country's army basic requirement should be a sense of patriotism and ready to take oath to sacrifice one's life. If you have it, its good.

ichigo85
06-26-2009, 01:23 PM
Although people are against war in Iraq, but there is still a huge support for war in Afghanistan. Its just a feeling of patriotism that a citizen born and brought up has when he goes to defend his land even when it implies invasion.

When Kargill happened in India, there was a sense of patriotism in the country and people came in droves to enroll in Army. Joining another country's army basic requirement should be a sense of patriotism and ready to take oath to sacrifice one's life. If you have it, its good.

Very Well Said Sir! And this is what I am trying to State in my posts. I am not patriotic to this country as I am still Indian from my heart. The reward of US Citizenship is GREAT! but if you can't accept certain conditions, its difficult to survive there. A citizen born here will have a complete different mindset from the person born outside of this country. The same theory applies to all spheres of life. :D

ronhira
06-26-2009, 01:58 PM
Smanc I sent you a private message. Pls read

MAVANI,

Could you please send me the information too. I am thinking about serving in the Army. I can read + write + speak 6 languages. Will wait for your private message.

MAVNINovice
06-26-2009, 02:01 PM
please send me private message ronhira

ronhira
06-26-2009, 02:02 PM
Although people are against war in Iraq, but there is still a huge support for war in Afghanistan. Its just a feeling of patriotism that a citizen born and brought up has when he goes to defend his land even when it implies invasion.

When Kargill happened in India, there was a sense of patriotism in the country and people came in droves to enroll in Army. Joining another country's army basic requirement should be a sense of patriotism and ready to take oath to sacrifice one's life. If you have it, its good.

"Other country"? I lived here for 80% of my adult life. My two kids were born here. This is my country now. The paper that shows if I have GC/citizenshipis a formality. My kids will live their life here. No one can tell me this is not my country.