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ghost
02-24-2011, 11:20 AM
Most of you know either through this forum or in the news that there is a legislative effort to end the diversity visa lottery program and reallocate those 50000 green cards to high-skilled immigrants (Immigration Voice members).

Original proposal is to allocate them for folks with PhD degrees in US but with IV Advocacy effort (Apr 4-5, 2011), we can effect a change in this proposed legislation to benefit a larger IV population.

But before even we think of getting these additional 50000 green cards, ask yourselves a simple question - do we deserve these additional 50000 green cards? Seriously - Do We?

We have 100s of members and guests visiting our forum every single day. For almost a month we've been trying to raise an awareness campaign for IV Apr 4-5 2001 Advocacy Event. I can understand that without the specifics being released on how we coordinate such a large scale event, some of you may be on the sidelines before committing to travel and participation. In addition, families and jobs take priority for folks. I understand that, I get it and IV gets it. IV is nothing but folks like you and me - they are common men and women and they understand our day to day priorities. Having said that, what is stopping us from making a small financial contribution towards this effort?

It's been 24 days this month and most of you can afford saving a dollar or two each day. Think about it, if we can spend 20 USD on a meal outside then we can set aside 25-50 USD per month for this noble effort - which is helping you and your family. We never question the restaurant owner whether the food we eat is worth 20 USD (they do a business and have their profit margin) then why do we question a non-profit organization that is trying to help ordinary folks like you and me.

Folks who wanted a 2 year combined EAD/AP get it now - thanks to IV advocacy

Folks who wanted certainty in GC process get more data from USCIS - thanks to IV

Folks who benefited from 2007 VB fiasco should thank IV for their strategy back then

IV has achieved something that none of us have envisioned 5 years back. IV is here to stay and assist us with something that we cannot do on our own.

All of us visiting this forum and reading this post are matured adults - we may have different perspectives but we are all mature enough to understand that this advocacy effort will only benefit you and your family.

Let's act mature and commit ourselves to raising 50000 USD - one dollar at a time!

Let's prove the naysayers wrong and match the potential 50000 green cards with 50000 USD contributions! Let's stop predicting priority dates and who gets what - let's unite in this effort with a goal of raising 50000 USD. Bottom line is that if we cannot raise 50000 in 2 months with our per capita income and our purchasing power then we do not deserve additional 50000 green cards, it's that simple!

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 01:13 PM
Original proposal is to allocate them for folks with PhD degrees in US but with IV Advocacy effort (Apr 4-5, 2011), we can effect a change in this proposed legislation to benefit a larger IV population.

What is IV's stand with respect to the 50 k lottery visa
A. relief to badly retrogressed categories Irrespective of category
B. relief to badly retrogressed categories according to category preference

If as i suspect the option is B then even if IV can effect a chnage we are where we started with respect to badly retrogressed categories (by which i mean peopke waiting in GC queue from 2002 - 9 years)

forever_waiting
02-24-2011, 01:15 PM
As pappu has pointed out several times on the forum, its only when faced with a specific problem with their own GC applicaton, that most of our community members decide to post on this forum and participate. Once their specific issue (ead/h1b/i485 delay, visa stamping issue etc etc) is sorted out, people vanish without thinking a second about resolving the issue for the entire community.
the two core people involved in IV efforts got their GCs 2-3 years back but still work on a daily basis, putting in all the spare time they have to resolve this issue for the EB community. If that cannot motivate our impacted members to come forward and act, I am not sure what can.
We are, for most parts, a selfish and narrow-minded community. Unforunately, we have to swallow that bitter pill and work with the few dedicated and selfless members we do have amidst us.

-Attended DC Advocacy in 2010
- Attending April-2011 Advocacy Event
- Met Reps in 4 Congressional districts in my area to push for EB provisions in DREAM Act in Nov/Dec 2010.

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 01:44 PM
Due respect, but if you're going to advocate for dollars, inform yourself first.

The DV elimination means 55,000, not 50,000 visas.

My Bad ...
55K visas from Lottery Program

Thank you for the correction

snathan
02-24-2011, 01:50 PM
Original proposal is to allocate them for folks with PhD degrees in US but with IV Advocacy effort (Apr 4-5, 2011), we can effect a change in this proposed legislation to benefit a larger IV population.

What is IV's stand with respect to the 50 k lottery visa
A. relief to badly retrogressed categories Irrespective of category
B. relief to badly retrogressed categories according to category preference

If as i suspect the option is B then even if IV can effect a chnage we are where we started with respect to badly retrogressed categories (by which i mean peopke waiting in GC queue from 2002 - 9 years)

There is no IV's stand on this...I am really sick of your 'ME me me....only me' attitude. Can you let us know what you have done so far for the most retrogressed category apart from picking fight. That’s not going to solve any issues.

If you are keep fighting and keep whining the same....nothing is going to change. Really your posts are irritating. Whats the point keep telling the same issue in every thread and every day. Do you think people are not aware of it or keep whining will fix the problem. If you really want to change, start your campaign and lead the effort. Go and meet your senator and tell your EB3 is most retrogressed and work to fix it. You can not sit on the fence and blame everyone else under the sun 'Not doing enough to fix your problem'.

I really resist post anything for you....but its really irritating. Dont pick fight with me rather spend time and find out what you can do to fix the EB3 problem.

I am not trying to beliitle you...we all know and several times IV core clearly stated their position - they can not work only for one category. If you start any campagin to fix the problem, we are ready join hands. But dont tell me 'you want to change spill over rules'...

ghost
02-24-2011, 01:51 PM
Due respect, but if you're going to advocate for dollars, inform yourself first.

The DV elimination means 55,000, not 50,000 visas.

Diversity Visa (DV) Lottery Program (http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1322.html)

I double-checked and it is 50000 according to DoS website above...thanks for making me double check this detail!

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 01:53 PM
Diversity Visa (DV) Lottery Program (http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1322.html)

I double-checked and it is 50000 according to DoS website above...thanks for making me double check this detail!

JeffDG - I revoke my Bad ... :p:p:p

Just kidding !

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 01:56 PM
There is no IV's stand on this...I am really sick of your 'ME me me....only me' attitude. Can you let us know what you have done so far for the most retrogressed category apart from picking fight. Thatís not going to solve any issues.

If you are keep fighting and keep whining the same....nothing is going to change. Really your posts are irritating. Whats the point keep telling the same issue in every thread and every day. Do you think people are not aware of it or keep whining will fix the problem. If you really want to change, start your campaign and lead the effort. Go and meet your senator and tell your EB3 is most retrogressed and work to fix it. You can not sit on the fence and blame everyone else under the sun 'Not doing enough to fix your problem'.

I really resist post anything for you....but its really irritating. Dont pick fight with me rather spend time and find out what you can do to fix the EB3 problem.

This has been repeated so many times i sometimes wonder if you just copy and paste the text. Since if i reply back in detail it would just be going down the same path we did in my last post i will just go ahead and say
No Comments !!!

snathan
02-24-2011, 02:00 PM
This has been repeated so many times i sometimes wonder if you just copy and paste the text. Since if i reply back in detail it would just be going down the same path we did in my last post i will just go ahead and say
No Comments !!!

Its the same way I feel whenever I read your post in every thread and every day. Are you using any robotics program to type the same more retrogressed whinning..isnt it boring for yourself to read your posts.

No comments either...!!!

NIW
02-24-2011, 02:03 PM
Hey admin guys,
I just tried to donate on the website but it did not give an option to choose my preferred amount. I feel you need to let the donor choose how much he/she wants to donate instead of the prefixed amounts.
Even a single dollar makes a difference, I assume.....

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 02:06 PM
Its the same way I feel whenever I read your post in every thread and every day. Are you using any robotics program to type the same more retrogressed whinning..isnt it boring for yourself to read your posts.

No comments either...!!!

We have digressed from a discussion level to sending post back and forth at a personal level. Would it make you happy if i let you have the last word (Only on this mud slinging between you an me not on the topic discussion at hand). Let me know and i am sure i can accomodate you on getting the last word. :D

snathan
02-24-2011, 02:09 PM
We have digressed from a discussion level to sending post back and forth at a personal level. Would it make you happy if i let you have the last word (Only on this mud slinging between you an me not on the topic discussion at hand). Let me know and i am sure i can accomodate you on getting the last word. :D

Would be more than happy not to see your same whinning every day and every post. If I dont believe in IV...I wouldnt mind even coming here. It’s my integrity/choice and I am not saying you should do that.

Are you trying to educate other people here about EB3 or USCIS/DOS through IV forum.

Good luck with your crap.!!!

tonyHK12
02-24-2011, 02:10 PM
Hey admin guys,
I just tried to donate on the website but it did not give an option to choose my preferred amount. I feel you need to let the donor choose how much he/she wants to donate instead of the prefixed amounts.
Even a single dollar makes a difference, I assume.....

You can send a check too. This is our main Advocacy day contribution thread with details - http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1904554-action-item-advocacy-day-contributions.html#post2305081

snathan
02-24-2011, 02:14 PM
Hey admin guys,
I just tried to donate on the website but it did not give an option to choose my preferred amount. I feel you need to let the donor choose how much he/she wants to donate instead of the prefixed amounts.
Even a single dollar makes a difference, I assume.....

You can send whatever amt you want from pay pal - just the email id and the amt of your choice.

rameshk
02-24-2011, 02:16 PM
Hey admin guys,
I just tried to donate on the website but it did not give an option to choose my preferred amount. I feel you need to let the donor choose how much he/she wants to donate instead of the prefixed amounts.
Even a single dollar makes a difference, I assume.....

I completely agree with NIW. We should be given the freedom to contribute as much as we like. This change may bring in more contributions.

snathan
02-24-2011, 02:18 PM
I completely agree with NIW. We should be given the freedom to contribute as much as we like. This change may bring in more contributions.

Hi...

The freedom is already there. Just use the pay and send whatever amt you want. You dont need to select the link from Donate. Go to pay pal directly and send money using the IV's email id.

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 02:19 PM
Would be more than happy not to see your same whinning every day and every post. If I dont believe in IV...I wouldnt mind even coming here. Itís my integrity/choice and I am not saying you should do that.

Are you trying to educate other people here about EB3 or USCIS/DOS through IV forum.

Good luck with your crap.!!!

Ok i will take that as a yes so for now you can go ahead and have teh last word but next time if you feel the need to respind to anything i state please go through my old posts and you will get an idea of what i stand for. Then you do not need to reply to my post in future :D

rameshk
02-24-2011, 02:24 PM
Hi...

The freedom is already there. Just use the pay and send whatever amt you want. You dont need to select the link from Donate. Go to pay pal directly and send money using the IV's email id.

Yes, I have noticed it. I have made my contribution of $100.

Thank you.

looneytunezez
02-24-2011, 02:26 PM
Ok i will take that as a yes so for now you can go ahead and have teh last word but next time if you feel the need to respind to anything i state please go through my old posts and you will get an idea of what i stand for. Then you do not need to reply to my post in future :D

I have been watching your whining for a while.....STOP IT and grow a pair.
no one wants to listen to your "whines" and/or "stands"....

snathan
02-24-2011, 02:33 PM
Ok i will take that as a yes so for now you can go ahead and have teh last word but next time if you feel the need to respind to anything i state please go through my old posts and you will get an idea of what i stand for. Then you do not need to reply to my post in future :D

May be whenever its itching for you to post your whinning....read your previous post and it will give relief for you. It will also save lots bandwith for IV.

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 03:09 PM
May be whenever its itching for you to post your whinning....read your previous post and it will give relief for you. It will also save lots bandwith for IV.

Pass

forever_waiting
02-24-2011, 03:12 PM
based on the feedback on the forums, my understanding is that IV does not have any stand on this bill and is not dedicating any resources towards a Diversity Bill since all folks (within IV and Other major immigration organizations) with any advocacy experience and who follow the Capitol Hill seem to be of the opinion that this or any similar bill eliminating the Diversity Visa program is not going anywhere (yes..even in the current Congress) as has been the case in the past.
The comment in the original post about Advocacy Day focussing on this bill is also incorrect - IV-admin can clarify.
IV advocacy is focussed on other EB specific bills that 1)recapture wasted visas 2) increase or eliminate per-country limit 3) allow some exemption for STEM and dependents 4) admin fixes for EAD/AP and allowing early I-485 filing.

Original proposal is to allocate them for folks with PhD degrees in US but with IV Advocacy effort (Apr 4-5, 2011), we can effect a change in this proposed legislation to benefit a larger IV population.

What is IV's stand with respect to the 50 k lottery visa
A. relief to badly retrogressed categories Irrespective of category
B. relief to badly retrogressed categories according to category preference

If as i suspect the option is B then even if IV can effect a chnage we are where we started with respect to badly retrogressed categories (by which i mean peopke waiting in GC queue from 2002 - 9 years)

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 03:13 PM
I have been watching your whining for a while.....STOP IT and grow a pair.
no one wants to listen to your "whines" and/or "stands"....

You know i thought of correcting you about the pair but what's the use ...
Why is it that whenever my views do not match with yours then i am whining:eek:
Ok from now on you beliong to teh same category as Nathan

Pass .......

snathan
02-24-2011, 03:17 PM
You know i thought of correcting you about the pair but what's the use ...
Why is it that whenever my views do not match with yours then i am whining:eek:
Ok from now on you beliong to teh same category as Nathan

Pass .......

What else you can do...when you specifically knows where you belongs to.

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 03:18 PM
based on the feedback on the forums, my understanding is that IV does not have any stand on this bill and is not dedicating any resources towards a Diversity Bill since all folks (within IV and Other major immigration organizations) with any advocacy experience and who follow the Capitol Hill seem to be of the opinion that this or any similar bill eliminating the Diversity Visa program is not going anywhere (yes..even in the current Congress) as has been the case in the past.
The comment in the original post about Advocacy Day focussing on this bill is also incorrect - IV-admin can clarify.
IV advocacy is focussed on other EB specific bills that 1)recapture wasted visas 2) increase or eliminate per-country limit 3) allow some exemption for STEM and dependents 4) admin fixes for EAD/AP and allowing early I-485 filing.


Ok that clarifes things ...

About the IV advocacy focus
points 1 and 2 i am not so sure about
Point 4 is commendable and actually is helping people
oint 3 (allow some exemption for STEM and dependents) i believe is the master brigade and blue blood so i will not even comment....

Thanks for clarifying foreever_waiting

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 03:20 PM
What else you can do...when you specifically knows where you belongs to.

snathan that was not for you but for looney tunes. :D so no need to get the last word in but if you do need to atleast do it to my reply to your post

forever_waiting
02-24-2011, 03:28 PM
If you get a chance to read the bills that Lofgren introduced in 2008 and other similar bills introduced since then..."dependents" usually refers to dependent applicants of ALL primary EB applicants. They are just grouped together with STEM applicants in the "exemption" category of the proposed bills. Immigration supporters try to push the reasoning that when feeder programs like H1B/l1 do not count dependents, why should EB-GC do that. Maybe, that will help reduce the hate a little bit :)..or maybe it might enrage you more to know that they are grouped together with the "master brigade".


Ok that clarifes things ...

About the IV advocacy focus
points 1 and 2 i am not so sure about
Point 4 is commendable and actually is helping people
oint 3 (allow some exemption for STEM and dependents) i believe is the master brigade and blue blood so i will not even comment....

Thanks for clarifying foreever_waiting

snathan
02-24-2011, 03:36 PM
snathan that was not for you but for looney tunes. :D so no need to get the last word in but if you do need to atleast do it to my reply to your post

Didnt you use my name in that reply. Are you also suffering SML and thats why keep repeating the same message.

Let me tell you once again. We all know the phlight of the EB3 and we all want to fix the issue. Just keep fighting and keep whining is not going to solve anything. So stop this and spend your energy on positive things.

good luck.

PlainSpeak
02-24-2011, 04:32 PM
If you get a chance to read the bills that Lofgren introduced in 2008 and other similar bills introduced since then..."dependents" usually refers to dependent applicants of ALL primary EB applicants. They are just grouped together with STEM applicants in the "exemption" category of the proposed bills. Immigration supporters try to push the reasoning that when feeder programs like H1B/l1 do not count dependents, why should EB-GC do that. Maybe, that will help reduce the hate a little bit :)..or maybe it might enrage you more to know that they are grouped together with the "master brigade".

And what is the status of Lofgren bill introduced in 2008. It went nowhere...
About master brigade what can i say anyone who is not a EB2 is a 3rd rate employee of a 4th rate consulting company with a 5th rate fake degree from india who has scrapped through in this country and who should be sent back to india
At least that is what some members here say
Not very polite and nice but that is the regular wisdom on here