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walking_dude
11-14-2007, 11:05 AM
Update : OUR Enemies are actively supporting LOU Dobbs (http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-91255-0-days0-orderasc-.html). While EB Immigrants are sleeping!

Lou "Liar" Dobbs is coming to Michigan to poison the minds of Michiganders against foreigners with his populist nativism.

Per WWJ 950 - " In recent books, he has tackled issues that are close to Michigan, including outsourcing of American manufacturing, immigration and what he has called "The War On The Middle Class."

Rest assured he'll be blaming the Auto Crisis on Immigrants just like he blames increase in crime, TB, leprosy etc. on Immigrants. This is happening as EB Immigrants in Michigan are content in their "masterly inactivity".

Don't be suprised if you start receiving dirty looks from American co-workers at your worksite. Worst case you and your family may get mugged by a stranger who has been fired up by the recent "progressive" baloney that cheap foreign labor is preventing "minority" communities from receiving their fair share of STEM jobs.

If such unfortunate incidents increase in the future, you know whom to blame - YOU. If only you were more active in protecting your interests, such incidents could've been avoided.

Your enemies are working 24 x 7 to kick you and your family out. Are you working equally hard to protect your family?

Here's the link

http://www.wwj.com/Lou-Dobbs:--The-Middle-Class-And-The-American-Spir/1168354

Contact - http://www.wwj.com/pages/7288.php

Sample Letter

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Dear News Editor(s),

As a WWJ 950 listener and an immigrant living in Michigan, I am concerned about the negative impacts on immigrants by the airing of your show "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

He is known to make exaggerated statements such as "Four hundred thousand H1Bs granted in a year" where as facts show otherwise. As per government figures, federal government awarded 124,096 H-1B visas in the fiscal year ending October 2005, the most recent annual totals available. That includes renewed visas, which don't count against the annual cap. These dramatic exaggerations distort the reality and provide a falsified alarmist view of the situation; which works against the interests of Immigrants ,businesses and American economy.

In the interests of fairness, you should also air the counter-views while providing coverage to such strong one-sided views. This would provide a balanced coverage to your viewers.

In the absence of such unbiased coverage, Mr. Dobbs verbal attacks may provoke physical attacks against foreigners as well as any foreign-looking persons by misguided elements provoked by your show. If such incidents do happen, please understand that your network will be indirectly responsible and liable to the foreigners affected.

As a concerned party I would like to know -

1) What action your network is taking to provide coverage of the other point of view, in the interests of fairness?

2) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs verbal attacks on foreigners do not translate into physical attacks on foreigners living in Michigan?

3) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs doesn't use exaggerated falsifications to justify his views. providing your listeners a wrong picture?

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
xxxxx
Phone: 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail : xxxxx@somemail.com

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walking_dude
11-14-2007, 11:17 AM
Contact WWJ and let them know your views.

Be polite. Don't make personal attacks on Lou Dobbs and WWJ. Don't threaten them. Nicely but firmly let them know that their one-sided coverage of "Populism" without covering the views of Immigrants provides a biased view to their patrons. Let them know that such anti-Immigrant coverage has the potential of provoking/inciting attacks against foreigners. WWJ would be responsible indirectly and liable if "Lou Dobbs show" leads to such attacks by misguided elements fired by Mr. Dobbs rhetoric.

Ask them -
1) What actions are WWJ taking to provide coverage of the other point of view, in the interests of fairness?
2) What actions is the network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs verbal attacks on foreigners do not translate into physical attacks on foreigners living in Michigan?

Contact - http://www.wwj.com/pages/7288.php

chanduv23
11-14-2007, 11:19 AM
Ha haaa - so Lou meet and greet events ehh. He chose the location because of the auto industry slowness - he can get more followers there.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 11:50 AM
Customize it! Don't use it word to word. This will make it lose it's personal touch, which is very important for WWJ to consider our requests. Otherwise it will be dismissed as orchestrated propoganda


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Dear News Editor(s),

As a WWJ 950 listener and an immigrant living in Michigan, I am concerned about the negative impacts on immigrants by the airing of your show "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

In the interests of fairness, you should also air the counter-views while providing coverage to such strong one-sided views. This would provide a balanced coverage to your viewers.

In the absence of such unbiased coverage, Mr. Dobbs verbal attacks may provoke physical attacks against foreigners as well as any foreign-looking persons by misguided elements provoked by your show. If such incidents do happen, please understand that your network will be indirectly responsible and liable to the foreigners affected.

As a concerned party I would like to know -

1) What action your network is taking to provide coverage of the other point of view, in the interests of fairness?

2) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs verbal attacks on foreigners do not translate into physical attacks on foreigners living in Michigan?

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
Vivek
Phone: 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail : xxxxx@somemail.com

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Maverick1
11-14-2007, 12:31 PM
Lou "Liar" Dobbs is coming to Michigan ...................................

Don't be suprised if you start receiving dirty looks from American co-workers at your worksite. Worst case you and your family may get mugged by a stranger who has been fired up by the recent "progressive" baloney that cheap foreign labor is preventing "minority" communities from receiving their fair share of STEM jobs.

If such unfortunate incidents increase in the future, you know whom to blame - YOU. If only you were more active in protecting your interests, such incidents could've been avoided.

....................................

Walking_dude I really appreciate your passion.

What do you mean by inactivity of a collective "YOU" ? Inactivity in taking on people like Lou or inactivity on participating IV campaigns to get GC quickly ?


If you are talking about taking on people like Lou, with all due respect, this is over simplification of the issue. Lets face it, He has the highest ranking show in CNN. Most people who indulge in populist propaganda will be successful , at least in the short run. You need a HUGE propaganda machine even to attempt to take on him. Just read the transcripts of his program to find what kind of words he used against Newyork governor (Indicative of his arrogance from success).

On the other hand if some one gives me a look based on how I look, they will give it even after I get my GC and Citizenship. The mugger will not ask me my visa status. I get mugged even after I became a citizen.

This is not to support the inactivity. I appreciate the efforts put in by one and all and I believe those actions help reduce the suffering.
This is just to point out the fact that some members wittingly or unwittingly suggesting that not having GC is cause for all problems. It certainly help alleviate some but it is not a cure all.

Once again I am merely trying to they are two different issues.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 12:33 PM
Please don't use the thread for just -- discussions sans actions .

Do take some actions - Have you contacted and posted your Comments to WWJ yet?


Coming to your point, just like he won't stop visiting hospitals for annual physicals to avoid Indian doctors and Phillipino nurses, he won't stop using Boeing either.

I bet he owns a foreign (European) car too. Like somebody pointed out CNN itself has hundreds of "cheap labor" H1B immigrants working for them. His wife is a Mexican. Do you think he's avoiding private moments with her to avoid TB and leprosy?

Lou Dobbs isn't a zealot. He is just an opportunistic hypocrite who's using "nativist populism" to get high TRP ratings for his show, and he has been immensely successful!


http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-526504-.html#526504

So do you think he will stop using Boeing and walk to Detroit?

swamy
11-14-2007, 12:40 PM
I would say ignore. If the hosts dont even use 'controversial' to describe him it's pointless trying to call in - its going to be an 'immigrant hate-fest' whether you call in or not and you are not going to win hearts or change minds. I remember 4 or 5 years ago he was raging against the H1 on air as usual and turned around to his staff and asked if CNN too was using the H1program - and the answer unsurprisingly was 'yes'. He has no sense of shame or a modicum of decency - none of his staff members either. And IV is ill-positioned and too narrowly focussed to take him on in any meaningful way given how a core member spoke against the z-visa (for illegals) to some n.carolina newspaper. But again I could be wrong so someone could give it a shot

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 12:48 PM
...........

What do you mean by inactivity of a collective "YOU" ? Inactivity in taking on people like Lou or inactivity on participating IV campaigns to get GC quickly ?

.............



Both. Inactivity and uncaring for personal and community interest is the root cause of both GC issue as well as increasing authenticity Lou Dobbs views have been gaining in media (spawning copy-cats in the process).



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Lets face it, He has the highest ranking show in CNN. Most people who indulge in populist propaganda will be successful , at least in the short run. You need a HUGE propaganda machine even to attempt to take on him. Just read the transcripts of his program to find what kind of words he used against Newyork governor (Indicative of his arrogance from success).

..............



I don't give a damn who he is, or how strong he is. All I care is me and my family might get mugged by the poison he's spewing, and how to stop him in his tracks. That's enough of a motivation to do my best to stop him.



On the other hand if some one gives me a look based on how I look, they will give it even after I get my GC and Citizenship. The mugger will not ask me my visa status. I get mugged even after I became a citizen.



That's why I say it - You are the victim. You should care.



This is not to support the inactivity. I appreciate the efforts put in by one and all and I believe those actions help reduce the suffering.
This is just to point out the fact that some members wittingly or unwittingly suggesting that not having GC is cause for all problems. It certainly help alleviate some but it is not a cure all.

Once again I am merely trying to they are two different issues.

Real issue in both situations is inaction which is harming our community.

Did I post something about GC here? I'm not the one linking GC with Lou Dobbs !

Now that you've linked them, let me put it this way - As long as Lou Dobbs keeps berating "cheap imported labor", and has a "perceived" majority acceptance of his views

1) forget any recapture of EB numbers
2) forget any increase in GC numbers


Did I make myself clear!

485Mbe4001
11-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Lou Dobbs was in Orange County this weekend as a Keynote speaker at the The World Affairs Council of Orange County. He launched into his usual vitriolic diatribe, there were many business leaders at the forum and he ended up polarizing the crowd. Some felt that he is all talk with no practical real life experience managing companies, his ideas are over the top and cannot be implemented. He never ran or lead a fortune 500 company or held a major political office, yet he critiqued the very organizations who sponsored tables for this dinner. A few did get carried away by his speech, i have to say that the crowd at the back was cheering wildly for him while the executives in the front were subduded. BTW this person with socialist leanings has hefty appearance fees.

We would be better off not wasting our time on him or rebutting his indirect accusations, he is playing to his crowd. We should play to ours.

Maverick1
11-14-2007, 01:02 PM
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I don't give a damn who he is, or how strong he is. All I care is me and my family might get mugged by the poison he's spewing, and how to stop him in his tracks. That's enough of a motivation to do my best to stop him.



That's why I say it - You are the victim. You should care.


Did I make myself clear!

So you made the problem statement which every one around here knows. What are your action items for poor souls like me who do not know how to take on, a person with successful TV show , using a placard and a megaphone ? What would be your solution ?

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 01:03 PM
Only issue is one of his crowd may mug me in a subway or lonely street, or puncture my tyres, or break my windshield, attack our children... and so on.

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We would be better off not wasting our time on him or rebutting his indirect accusations, he is playing to his crowd. We should play to ours.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 01:13 PM
First step - Write to WWJ Radio and let them know your concerns about the airtime provided to such nativist views which will result in attacks against foreigners.

Second, let's all call up/attend his show and dispute his views with facts, such as Presidents Economical report, DoL statistics on Full-Employment Economy. Lets corner him on issues such as collapse of the Social Security system if number of Tax payers decreases, and how does he intend to stop it without increasing Immigration as American fertility levels are currently below replacement levels. We can ask him if he proposes the Government should increase taxes instead which will place him on a sticky wicket.

Agreed. As individuals you and me cannot make much difference. But as a determined perseverant group, we can bring about change. If Gandhi can sucessfully take on the mighty British Empire "where the Sun never sets" with just a loin cloth and a staff, We are better equipped with Megaphones and Placards! Agreed I'm not a Gandhi, but then neither is Lou Dobbs, the emperor of a mighty empire with millions of soldiers at his command.

I have given my action items. Are you with me?

So you made the problem statement which every one around here knows. What are your action items for poor souls like me who do not know how to take on, a person with successful TV show , using a placard and a megaphone ? What would be your solution ?

swamy
11-14-2007, 01:26 PM
So you made the problem statement which every one around here knows. What are your action items for poor souls like me who do not know how to take on, a person with successful TV show , using a placard and a megaphone ? What would be your solution ?

I think WD already posted the action items - questioning the radio shows fairness and if they feel they have a responsibility in not inciting hate crimes toward immigrants both of which are very good points to raise. Lou Dobbs already has a huge platform from which he is spewing venom on immigrants and the last thing he needs is another medium - radio - to carry it even more.
GC is a pre-req to becoming a citizen and once you become one it is hoped that you would voice your opposition even more against hate-mongers like Lou. What he is indulging in is despicable - using the average American's economic insecurity and playing it off againts immigrants - & one does need to speak out if not for yourself atleast for others that can't do it themselves so WD is doing the right thing urging people to call in.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 01:27 PM
"Victory is always possible for the person who refuses to stop fighting." - Napoleon Hill


I would say ignore. If the hosts dont even use 'controversial' to describe him it's pointless trying to call in - its going to be an 'immigrant hate-fest' whether you call in or not and you are not going to win hearts or change minds. I remember 4 or 5 years ago he was raging against the H1 on air as usual and turned around to his staff and asked if CNN too was using the H1program - and the answer unsurprisingly was 'yes'. He has no sense of shame or a modicum of decency - none of his staff members either. And IV is ill-positioned and too narrowly focussed to take him on in any meaningful way given how a core member spoke against the z-visa (for illegals) to some n.carolina newspaper. But again I could be wrong so someone could give it a shot

485Mbe4001
11-14-2007, 01:29 PM
here are many other reasons why people get mugged..i understand the concern, but agitating against him is not going to produce anything substantial to the IV cause, you will end up providing free publicity to his show. You time will be better spent if you motivate others to join IV and
work with the congressmen and senators.

There is no way that he is going to change his tune. CNN will not drop him because he brings in $$$'s and according to them he is doing nothing wrong, just playing to his crowd.

is he your biggest problem? if he is then yes, please spend your time on trying to bring him down. Will all IV problems be solved if if he aplogizes tomorrow. I understand that we are all passionate about our issues, he about his and you about yours.

Only issue is one of his crowd may mug me in a subway or lonely street, or puncture my tyres, or break my windshield, attack our children... and so on.

Maverick1
11-14-2007, 01:43 PM
......................... If Gandhi can sucessfully take on the mighty British Empire "where the Sun never sets" with just a loin cloth and a staff, We are better equipped with Megaphones and Placards! Agreed I'm not a Gandhi, but then neither is Lou Dobbs, the emperor of a mighty empire with millions of soldiers at his command............................[/B]

I thought you would go there :) :)
He is on a book tour now and be prepared to see him on all major shows. Do you seriously think these stations will stop inviting him when you write to them ? CNN stop him from what he is doing of they receive 2000 letters ? There is a time and place for every thing....

atlfp
11-14-2007, 01:45 PM
He does not worth such attentions!

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 02:11 PM
Thanks guys for your suggestions. But no thanks!

Let me continue with my action while you continue with yours.

My posts are not intended for you. They are meant for the rare breed that think they can make a difference in this world. I'm sorry to know you aren't that.

I would rather spend my time working for causes that I beleive - IV as well as Immigrants Rights, instead of wasting time on an on-line brawl. I'm sure you guys also have better things to do in life.

Let's just move on.

cagedcactus
11-14-2007, 02:26 PM
WD, I am with you on this.
Heck, if no one will do it, I will send that letter with different names multiple times.....
Dobbs is not only unfair, he is the ultimate hypocrite. Nothing but an opportunistic Fagg*t.
And if WWJ cares to contact me back and ask me to justify my statement, I am ready to do it.
I am not going to sit on my comfy behind and wait for lunatics like Dobbs to decide what my future will be....
If I go down, I am going to go down swinging.....
I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.

cagedcactus
11-14-2007, 02:28 PM
He does not worth such attentions!


He might not be worth such attention at national level. But now he is in our area, attacking us. Trying to harm our future and create bad impression for us....
And that is worth every bit of attention my friend.

NIW
11-14-2007, 02:36 PM
Thanks guys for your suggestions. But no thanks!

Let me continue with my action while you continue with yours.

My posts are not intended for you. They are meant for the rare breed that think they can make a difference in this world. I'm sorry to know you aren't that.

I would rather spend my time working for causes that I beleive - IV as well as Immigrants Rights, instead of wasting time on an on-line brawl. I'm sure you guys also have better things to do in life.

Let's just move on.

I totally agree with you on this hypocrite Lou Dobbs and also admire your determination and sticking to your views. I too belive that we can make a change if we are determined. I have written my views to the radio station eventhough I don't listen to that channel as I live somewhere far. I hate to side track the issue but I couldn't control my self to accept that Alexander was great( that apprears in your posts) I stongly belive that he was not great but was a coward (I came to conclusion after reviewing the history)

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 03:39 PM
Thanks my friend. I knew I could count on you :)

WD, I am with you on this.

I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 03:42 PM
Keeping our differences on Alexander asides :), thanks for doing the right thing. I greatly appreciate you doing it though you don't live in Michigan.


I totally agree with you on this hypocrite Lou Dobbs and also admire your determination and sticking to your views. I too belive that we can make a change if we are determined. I have written my views to the radio station eventhough I don't listen to that channel as I live somewhere far. I hate to side track the issue but I couldn't control my self to accept that Alexander was great( that apprears in your posts) I stongly belive that he was not great but was a coward (I came to conclusion after reviewing the history)

485Mbe4001
11-14-2007, 04:55 PM
Well then why dont you picket against NumbersUSA, programmers guild et al too, i can name 20 conservative radio shows try emailing/talking them to change their opinion. I say this because i have emailed to a few and even tho they understand my point of view they will not change something that gets them ratings and propagates their cause.

IV has 25k members, i guess 10% out of those are really motivated to participate and ready do something, if you start diverting your resources towards such issues your team will not have much motivation or people remaining when you really need them to do something. IMO

Quoting Gandhi left and right is becoming passť now, its like desi politicians, invoking Gandhi for everything. Gandhi did not oppose or pick a fight every monkey who was against indepedence, he was focused on getting the british out and by creating a mass awareness. Try not to take his name in vain. (this is not directed at your post, i have been following your well written posts for a while. It a general comment after reading the forums.)


What will you do if you have convinced ALL lawmakers but they still do not vote for you because of public opposition generated by Lou DoGGS? The FACT (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=98473&postcount=595) (NOT opinion) on immigration: In evident pain and remorse, a Republican Senator confessed to a Hispanic group from Maryland that his vote to kill immigration reform was “a profile in political cowardice.”.

Todays New York's Id (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=194883&postcount=1455) example:

Mr. Spitzer’s decision to abandon his plan comes as a poll released Tuesday by Siena College found that seven in 10 New York voters who had heard about it — and more than 80 percent of the 625 registered voters polled had — opposed it. It also found that for the first time, more people viewed the governor unfavorably than favorably.

The governor and his aides said that they were not reacting to the slumping poll numbers, but acting pragmatically. That the dispute had even tripped up Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who stumbled to answer a question about it in a presidential debate, “was symptomatic of where we were,” he said.

“The issue was gaining traction not based on thoughtful discourse, but based on sound bites and less than careful analysis,” he added.

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 05:31 PM
Why do you jump the gun and reach conclusions??!!!

All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. We have nothing to lose by doing so. If we make him fumble, he stands to lose a good following.

I'm part of that 10% that you're speaking about. Are you? Have you joined your state chapter? Did you march in DC? Are you a regular contributor?

What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?

Any day a Gandhi quote is better than the - 'This can't be done. That can't be done. It's all in vain' statements, which are highly negative, demoralising and triter than the usage of Gandhi. At least Gandhi quotations are positive and uplifting. And we need that here to balance the pile of the negative statements that get posted.

It's a promise. Until you guys don't get tired of posting your negative and demoralizing posts, we won't be tired of invoking the Great man's name. We know it's vain to invoke Gandhi to you guys. But still hoping against odds that it may affect you in a positive way. :)


Well then why dont you picket against NumbersUSA, programmers guild et al too, i can name 20 conservative radio shows try emailing/talking them to change their opinion. I say this because i have emailed to a few and even tho they understand my point of view they will not change something that gets them ratings and propagates their cause.

IV has 25k members, i guess 10% out of those are really motivated to participate and ready do something, if you start diverting your resources towards such issues your team will not have much motivation or people remaining when you really need them to do something. IMO

Quoting Gandhi left and right is becoming passť now, its like desi politicians, invoking Gandhi for everything. Try not to take his name in vain. (this is not directed at your post, i have been following your well written posts for a while. It a general comment after reading the forums.)

485Mbe4001
11-14-2007, 06:23 PM
PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)

Why do you jump the gun and reach conclusions??!!!

All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. ....

What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?
it may affect you in a positive way. :)

walking_dude
11-14-2007, 06:36 PM
Responded to your PM. Thanks for your wishes.

PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)

Maverick1
11-14-2007, 06:45 PM
PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)

Responded to your PM. Thanks for your wishes.

:):)

needhelp!
11-14-2007, 07:49 PM
I would understand if walking_dude was asking me to fly to Michigan and stand with a placard in front of the radio station (which I MIGHT do btw), but sending an email is a five-minute effort, which everyone can do sitting at their home/office/library.

I don't think we will dilute any other effort through doing this.

needhelp!
11-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Please don't use the thread for just -- discussions sans actions .

Do take some actions - Have you contacted and posted your Comments to WWJ yet?

walking_dude
11-19-2007, 11:58 AM
Agreed you cannot march for your own rights. Least you can do is post your displeasure at a web page. Can we do that?

Contact - http://www.wwj.com/pages/7288.php

Sample Letter

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Dear News Editor(s),

As a WWJ 950 listener and an immigrant living in Michigan, I am concerned about the negative impacts on immigrants by the airing of your show "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

He is known to make exaggerated statements such as "Four hundred thousand H1Bs granted in a year" where as facts show otherwise. As per government figures, federal government awarded 124,096 H-1B visas in the fiscal year ending October 2005, the most recent annual totals available. That includes renewed visas, which don't count against the annual cap. These dramatic exaggerations distort the reality and provide a falsified alarmist view of the situation; which works against the interests of Immigrants ,businesses and American economy.

In the interests of fairness, you should also air the counter-views while providing coverage to such strong one-sided views. This would provide a balanced coverage to your viewers.

In the absence of such unbiased coverage, Mr. Dobbs verbal attacks may provoke physical attacks against foreigners as well as any foreign-looking persons by misguided elements provoked by your show. If such incidents do happen, please understand that your network will be indirectly responsible and liable to the foreigners affected.

As a concerned party I would like to know -

1) What action your network is taking to provide coverage of the other point of view, in the interests of fairness?

2) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs verbal attacks on foreigners do not translate into physical attacks on foreigners living in Michigan?

3) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs doesn't use exaggerated falsifications to justify his views. providing your listeners a wrong picture?

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
xxxxx
Phone: 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail : xxxxx@somemail.com

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walking_dude
11-19-2007, 01:09 PM
Macaca,

Thanks for the suggested "Addendum". A para on it, included in the letter (edited)

Thanks

swamy
11-19-2007, 03:19 PM
I thought SPCL too documented his lies very well. As I said earlier, some people are shameless and lack common decency - it's worse when they have a tv show to boot! They keep repeating discredited theories and lies ad-nauseum until the opposition tires out and gives in

walking_dude
11-20-2007, 11:12 AM
Join us in opposing the Hypocisy of Lou Dobbs.

swamy
11-20-2007, 02:29 PM
In CIR, border security and amnesty were together. Now border security is before amnesty with the hope that there will be NO amnsety.

This is the influence of Lou DoGGs!

they call it 'attrition'! how much is their level of loathing immigrants that they hope they become desperate and either die from hunger or leave the country

EkAurAaya
11-20-2007, 03:06 PM
May be its just me... but i think people like lou dobbs/Chris Simcox of Minute man defense corps/william gheen of Alipac (i think that's his name) thrive on misguiding and benefiting from innocent folks - I don't blame people who are misguided (who for the most part I would like to believe are genuinely concerned about illegal immigration). Its like the radio commercials... you want listeners to remember a phone #, keep repeating it... and the number sticks in your mind.

Lou Dobbs - Opportunist looking to make money from book sales and gain popularity for possible government public post
Chris Simcox - Raised millions to build a border fence which turned out to be a cow fence at best. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/07/border.fence/
Alipac guy - Has no job, lives on money raised from Alipac members (3000 a month + travel and other expenses - as posted by himself on his site)

Lot of people are been misguided and taken for a ride in my view...

walking_dude
11-20-2007, 04:06 PM
I agree guys. How about some actions to stop some of these that can? For instance, writing to WWJ 950 about concerns regarding 'Meet Lou Dobbs' show?

swamy
11-20-2007, 08:44 PM
I am still debating whether to call in or to write - but I will definitely do one of the two. I just read the other thread linked to by 'internet' above & thought I would say a couple of things to the losers at alipac who worship racists like tancredo and lou: Don't distort this thread's message - we not are trying to gag Mr.Lou however much I puke everytime I see him spewing venow on 'aliens' -and I sometimes even admire his constant state of outrage and complete lack of shame. He and his worshippers at alipac are a reminder that bigotry may have been outlawed offcially in the 60's but definitely wasn't completely eliminated for posterity -a lesson to all those who forget history and think we have always been 'civilized'; we are the nation we are today because of the tireless work of so many great leaders supported by so many forward thinking Americans of all colors -so lets be clear - we WANT LOU to spew his venom and unvarnished bigotry in Detroit - we WANT alipac to worship such hatemongers so when youngsters wonder how people could have been done horrible acts in the past we can point to you guys and say 'here you go - now know that every generation has its bigots and its the duty of decent folks to oppose them - its a constant never ending fight!'

walking_dude
11-21-2007, 10:52 AM
Don't debate. Send the E-mail NOW!

We can debate in pleasure later. I have created a poll to keep count of how many have responded to our request. So far it's just a handful. Wish IV members were as dedicated as the anti-immigrants at ALIPAC.

Folks, your silence is killing our cause. Don't fret and fume later when you get the 'Leave Immediately. You application is cancelled' notice. Remember then, you were responsible for you sorry state due to your silly inexcusable inaction.

It's useless to discuss with bigots at ALIPAC. They don't want to understand us!. Why do you think they didn't link to our website? There's so much you can do to those who run away from the truth, and hide their heads in the sand like an ostrich.

When we cannot make the 'Great Egoists' of the anti-IV immigrant crowd to see reason for a cause that benefits them, what chances we have with bigots who have a vested interest in opposing us?

I am still debating whether to call in or to write - but I will definitely do one of the two. I just read the other thread linked to by 'internet' above & thought I would say a couple of things to the losers at alipac who worship racists like tancredo and lou:

walking_dude
11-21-2007, 12:21 PM
Contact - http://www.wwj.com/pages/7288.php

Sample Letter

---------------
Dear News Editor(s),

As a WWJ 950 listener and an immigrant living in Michigan, I am concerned about the negative impacts on immigrants by the airing of your show "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

He is known to make exaggerated statements such as "Four hundred thousand H1Bs granted in a year" where as facts show otherwise. As per government figures, federal government awarded 124,096 H-1B visas in the fiscal year ending October 2005, the most recent annual totals available. That includes renewed visas, which don't count against the annual cap. These dramatic exaggerations distort the reality and provide a falsified alarmist view of the situation; which works against the interests of Immigrants ,businesses and American economy.

In the interests of fairness, you should also air the counter-views while providing coverage to such strong one-sided views. This would provide a balanced coverage to your viewers.

In the absence of such unbiased coverage, Mr. Dobbs verbal attacks may provoke physical attacks against foreigners as well as any foreign-looking persons by misguided elements provoked by your show. If such incidents do happen, please understand that your network will be indirectly responsible and liable to the foreigners affected.

As a concerned party I would like to know -

1) What action your network is taking to provide coverage of the other point of view, in the interests of fairness?

2) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs verbal attacks on foreigners do not translate into physical attacks on foreigners living in Michigan?

3) What action is your network taking to ensure that Lou Dobbs doesn't use exaggerated falsifications to justify his views. providing your listeners a wrong picture?

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
xxxxx
Phone: 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx
E-mail : xxxxx@somemail.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------

akkakarla
11-21-2007, 12:40 PM
There is a speculation that Lou Dobbs may run for President as Independent. Whaw I really want to see him run for President and see in debate what he tells about various issues.

Anil

walking_dude
11-21-2007, 12:46 PM
Please contact WWJ Radio about our concerns regarding Lou Dobbs show. Discussing Mr. Dobbs psuedo-presidential ambitions (he'll be a washout like Tancredo) will not help our cause.

If you have already done it (contacting WWJ) update the Poll.

Thanks.

There is a speculation that Lou Dobbs may run for President as Independent. Whaw I really want to see him run for President and see in debate what he tells about various issues.

Anil

485Mbe4001
11-27-2007, 01:49 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/opinion/27brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

NY Times Op-Ed Columnist
Follow the Fundamentals
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: November 27, 2007

Lou Dobbs is winning. He’s not winning personally. He’s not going to start winning presidential awards or elite respect. But his message is winning. Month by month the ideas that once prevailed on the angry fringe enter the mainstream and turn into conventional wisdom.

Once there was a majority in favor of liberal immigration policies, but apparently that’s not true anymore, at least if you judge by campaign rhetoric. Once there was a bipartisan consensus behind free trade, but that’s not true anymore, either. Even Republicans, by a two-to-one majority, believe free trade is bad for America, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.

Once upon a time, the fact that hundreds of millions of people around the world are rising out of poverty would have been a source of pride and optimism. But if you listen to the presidential candidates, improvements in the developing world are menacing. Their speeches constitute a symphony of woe about lead-painted toys, manipulated currencies and stolen jobs.

And if Dobbsianism is winning when times are good, you can imagine how attractive it’s going to seem if we enter the serious recession that Larry Summers convincingly and terrifyingly forecasts in yesterday’s Financial Times. If the economy dips as seriously as that, the political climate could shift in ugly ways.

So it’s worth pointing out now more than ever that Dobbsianism is fundamentally wrong. It plays on legitimate anxieties, but it rests at heart on a more existential fear — the fear that America is under assault and is fundamentally fragile. It rests on fears that the America we once knew is bleeding away.
And that’s just not true. In the first place, despite the ups and downs of the business cycle, the United States still possesses the most potent economy on earth. Recently the World Economic Forum and the International Institute for Management Development produced global competitiveness indexes, and once again they both ranked the United States first in the world.

In the World Economic Forum survey, the U.S. comes in just ahead of Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden and Germany (China is 34th). The U.S. gets poor marks for macroeconomic stability (the long-term federal debt), for its tax structure and for the low savings rate. But it leads the world in a range of categories: higher education and training, labor market flexibility, the ability to attract global talent, the availability of venture capital, the quality of corporate management and the capacity to innovate.

William W. Lewis of McKinsey surveyed global competitive in dozens of business sectors a few years ago, and concluded, “The United States is the productivity leader in virtually every industry.”

Second, America’s fundamental economic strength is rooted in the most stable of assets — its values. The U.S. is still an astonishing assimilation machine. It has successfully absorbed more than 20 million legal immigrants over the past quarter-century, an extraordinary influx of human capital. Americans are remarkably fertile. Birthrates are relatively high, meaning that in 2050, the average American will be under 40, while the average European, Chinese and Japanese will be more than a decade older.

The American economy benefits from low levels of corruption. American culture still transmits some ineffable spirit of adventure. American students can’t compete with, say, Singaporean students on standardized tests, but they are innovative and creative throughout their lives. The U.S. standard of living first surpassed the rest of the world’s in about 1740, and despite dozens of cycles of declinist foreboding, the country has resolutely refused to decay.

Third, not every economic dislocation has been caused by trade and the Chinese. Between 1991 and 2007, the U.S. trade deficit exploded to $818 billion from $31 billion. Yet as Robert Samuelson has pointed out, during that time the U.S. created 28 million jobs and the unemployment rate dipped to 4.6 percent from 6.8 percent.

That’s because, as Robert Lawrence of Harvard and Martin Baily of McKinsey have calculated, 90 percent of manufacturing job losses are due to domestic forces. As companies become more technologically advanced, they shed workers (the Chinese shed 25 million manufacturing jobs between 1994 and 2004).

Meanwhile, the number of jobs actually lost to outsourcing is small, and recent reports suggest the outsourcing trend is slowing down. They are swamped by the general churn of creative destruction. Every quarter the U.S. loses somewhere around seven million jobs, and creates a bit more than seven million more. That double-edged process is the essence of a dynamic economy.

I’m writing this column from Beijing. I can look out the window and see the explosive growth. But as the Chinese will be the first to tell you, their dazzling prosperity is built on fragile foundations. In the United States, the situation is the reverse. We have obvious problems. But the foundations of American prosperity are strong. The U.S. still has much more to gain than to lose from openness, trade and globalization.

swamy
11-27-2007, 04:45 PM
There's a book put out by three 'scholars' from the Manhattan Institute with an innocuous title and everything else inside it anything but! The debate is being pushed to dangerous new grounds - while many openly say that all of America's immigration problems began in the 60's, code for colored people allowed in legally, one author said it was 'wrong' to link opening up immigration to all races (by abolishing hemispherical quota) and the civil-rights movement. Ofcourse he didn't say why. They always have to make a big point about Kennedy predicting that immigration wouldn't surge with the 60's act but why the 'surge' is a bad thing in itself is never fully explained - making use of hazy data and cause and effects that are highly diffuse to be really a true 'cause/effect' is the scholarly methodology used.And ofcourse he also argued that previous waves of immigration are different from the current ones but when the argument is brought up that immigrants eventually assimilate suddenly history is no guidance - in other words don’t look at history now! Given the complete lack of spine or commonsense of IV browsers, one can only hope this is just an ugly cycle that plays itself out and decent people recover their sensibility

needhelp!
11-27-2007, 05:55 PM
Update : OUR Enemies are actively supporting LOU Dobbs (http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-91255-0-days0-orderasc-.html). While EB Immigrants are sleeping!

immigrationvoice1
11-27-2007, 06:12 PM
Sent reply few days ago.

needhelp!
11-27-2007, 07:52 PM
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-91255-0-days0-orderasc-.html

swamy
11-27-2007, 08:03 PM
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-91255-0-days0-orderasc-.html


I think I did last week - yeah they are the lowest of the low cheerleading xenophobes and nativisthatemongers like lou

alterego
11-27-2007, 08:38 PM
I am a highly skilled professional working in this state providing a valuable service. I have a green card petition pending. Those like Lou Dobbs oppose migration of those of my kind, virtually any kind. Please tell me why? What do I tell my grateful patients, about this self acclaimed patriot?
His is an agenda against all immigration. He just finds the most convenient arguments now against illegal immigration. Let me explain, I am on H1b visa, he criticizes that as well. My conclusion is he wants me to leave too. Ask him to name one kind of immigration he is for.
His is an agenda against all immigration. I trust America can see past it. Recently I went to an upper end car dealership in Detroit to buy a car. The dealer there commented that if it were not for professionals like myself buying his cars, his dealership would struggle. I'm not sure why Lou Dobbs does not wish to understand that. He is certainly smart enough to do so. Perhaps he does not want to understand. He preys on the worst fears of people, instead of building on their optimism. That is not what got this country where it is. If this country were full of Lou Dobbs, frankly I would not want to be part of it. Fortunately, I believe it is not.

walking_dude
11-28-2007, 01:09 PM
Tommorrow is the D-Day. Let's try to call-in and bust his arguments. What all troublesome questions can we ask him?

walking_dude
11-28-2007, 01:19 PM
Let's also E-mail the Sponsors! If we can get the sponors to backout may be the show will be cancelled.

Malace Solutions
-------------------
Larry Malace II ( President )

248-720-2500 (Extn 105)
E-mail : lmalace@malacehr.com

http://www.malacehrsolutions.com/contact.html

Franklin Bank
----------------

Craig L. Johnson ,
President & CEO of Franklin Bank
E-mail - clj@franklinbank.com

walking_dude
11-28-2007, 01:35 PM
Dear Mr. Larry Malace,

As a highly-skilled Employment-based immigrant living in Michigan, I am appalled to know a company like Malace - with a diverse workforce - is sponsoring an anti-immigrant show like "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

He is known to make exaggerated statements such as "Four hundred thousand H1Bs granted in a year" where as facts show otherwise. As per government figures, federal government awarded 124,096 H-1B visas in the fiscal year ending October 2005, the most recent annual totals available. That includes renewed visas, which don't count against the annual cap. These dramatic exaggerations distort the reality and provide a falsified alarmist view of the situation; which works against the interests of Immigrants ,businesses and American economy.

It's not in the best interests of a respected company like Malace & Associates to associate itself with a blatantly anti-immigrant show, that can harm the company's image in the community. I request you to withdraw sponsorship of the show in the best interests of your company and that of the immigrants in the community some of whom may be your workers and business associates.

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
xxxxx

walking_dude
11-28-2007, 01:36 PM
Dear Mr. Craig Johnson,

As a highly-skilled Employment-based immigrant living in Michigan, I am appalled to know a respected bank like Franklin Bank- with a diverse workforce - is sponsoring an anti-immigrant show like "WWJ Business Breakfast" with Mr. LOU DOBBS, which is scheduled to air on Nov 29 between 8 a.m. - 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Dobbs is known for his strong views against immigrants, including considering immigrants to be responsible for the spread of incurable diseases such as Drug-resistant Tuberculosis, Leprosy etc. From past experience on CNN, he is also highly likely to blame the current crisis in Auto Industry to the so-called "importation of cheap labor from third world countries".

He is known to make exaggerated statements such as "Four hundred thousand H1Bs granted in a year" where as facts show otherwise. As per government figures, federal government awarded 124,096 H-1B visas in the fiscal year ending October 2005, the most recent annual totals available. That includes renewed visas, which don't count against the annual cap. These dramatic exaggerations distort the reality and provide a falsified alarmist view of the situation; which works against the interests of Immigrants ,businesses and American economy.

It's not in the best interests of a respected bank like Franklin Bank to associate itself with a blatantly anti-immigrant show, that can harm the bank's image in the community. I request you to withdraw sponsorship of the show in the best interests of your bank and that of the immigrants in the community some of whom may be your workers, customers and business associates.

Appreciate hearing from you soon.

Yours sincerely,
xxxxx

swamy
11-28-2007, 02:02 PM
I am not sure we want to gag him - it's kind of late too to do that. But letting the sponsors know they are encouraging hate-groups is good. If this would work CNN itself may have pulled the plug on him

needhelp!
11-28-2007, 02:42 PM
Is there a way to listen to the show online?

swamy
11-28-2007, 02:47 PM
http://radiotime.com/station/s_23765/News_Radio_950.aspx

needhelp!
11-28-2007, 03:14 PM
Its eastern time zone, so I may be able to catch the show towards the end.

http://radiotime.com/station/s_23765/News_Radio_950.aspx

priderock
11-28-2007, 03:23 PM
Agree totally. If you look at the history there has been opposition to immigration. They said bad things about Italians, Irish and others. Some of the haters are once hated. But the life goes on !!!!

I am a highly skilled professional working in this state providing a valuable service. I have a green card petition pending. Those like Lou Dobbs oppose migration of those of my kind, virtually any kind. Please tell me why? What do I tell my grateful patients, about this self acclaimed patriot?
His is an agenda against all immigration. He just finds the most convenient arguments now against illegal immigration. Let me explain, I am on H1b visa, he criticizes that as well. My conclusion is he wants me to leave too. Ask him to name one kind of immigration he is for.
His is an agenda against all immigration. I trust America can see past it. Recently I went to an upper end car dealership in Detroit to buy a car. The dealer there commented that if it were not for professionals like myself buying his cars, his dealership would struggle. I'm not sure why Lou Dobbs does not wish to understand that. He is certainly smart enough to do so. Perhaps he does not want to understand. He preys on the worst fears of people, instead of building on their optimism. That is not what got this country where it is. If this country were full of Lou Dobbs, frankly I would not want to be part of it. Fortunately, I believe it is not.

abhijitp
11-28-2007, 03:55 PM
Thanks walking_dude for the initiative!
Sorry for the delay in doing it.