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vivache
09-22-2007, 04:07 AM
Hi everyone.
I was part of the San Jose rally .. where there were about 300 odd people.
My neighbors had been to the immigration rally in Washington(flew from San Jose) and they said that there were about 1000 people there.

I have been following the immigration issues for sometime .. and I'm not very convinced that such small numbers can make the difference.

Silicon Valley has maybe a 100,000 Indian engineers or more. Add families .. and a much higher number. Add Chinese and European immigrants .. and you have all of Silicon valley :)

We should hold a huge rally say in the campus of some company like Cisco .. or Google(who are immigrant friendly) on a work day .. say Friday lunch time .. and have everyone attend.

Being in Cisco .. you can pretty much get all their employees to attend... which is substantial.
Also have industry people talking in favor of better immigration policies.
(we could hold it in some other company or a common area .. anything works)

Unless we can have a substantial number of folks say 10,000 or more .. I don't honestly see too much of a point.
Even if IV collects a few million dollars .. and lobbies .. it will never have the impact of 10000 people protesting.

We need to see if we can have similar rallies ever month in major hubs like New York, Washington, Seattle, Houston.
Unless we have s sustained campaign and we have the numbers .. I personally do not see things really changing.

I see people being optimistic about 300 folks in San Jose rally and 1000 in Washington. But having been to the rally in San Jose I don't see how 3 times that number in Washington is going to cut it. (Read Logiclife's post ... but we still need the numbers !!)

I'm not being a pessimist .. appreciate all the efforts that IV core undertakes .. but am totally unconvinced of major immigration changes. Looking at something like CIR being struck down .. after being on television for long and being debated .. I think we should get real.

Thank you
V

Jaime
09-22-2007, 04:29 AM
Hi everyone.
I was part of the San Jose rally .. where there were about 300 odd people.
My neighbors had been to the immigration rally in Washington(flew from San Jose) and they said that there were about 1000 people there.

I have been following the immigration issues for sometime .. and I'm not very convinced that such small numbers can make the difference.

Silicon Valley has maybe a 100,000 Indian engineers or more. Add families .. and a much higher number. Add Chinese and European immigrants .. and you have all of Silicon valley :)

We should hold a huge rally say in the campus of some company like Cisco .. or Google(who are immigrant friendly) on a work day .. say Friday lunch time .. and have everyone attend.

Being in Cisco .. you can pretty much get all their employees to attend... which is substantial.
Also have industry people talking in favor of better immigration policies.
(we could hold it in some other company or a common area .. anything works)

Unless we can have a substantial number of folks say 10,000 or more .. I don't honestly see too much of a point.
Even if IV collects a few million dollars .. and lobbies .. it will never have the impact of 10000 people protesting.

We need to see if we can have similar rallies ever month in major hubs like New York, Washington, Seattle, Houston.
Unless we have s sustained campaign and we have the numbers .. I personally do not see things really changing.

I see people being optimistic about 300 folks in San Jose rally and 1000 in Washington. But having been to the rally in San Jose I don't see how 3 times that number in Washington is going to cut it. (Read Logiclife's post ... but we still need the numbers !!)

I'm not being a pessimist .. appreciate all the efforts that IV core undertakes .. but am totally unconvinced of major immigration changes. Looking at something like CIR being struck down .. after being on television for long and being debated .. I think we should get real.

Thank you
V

We really SHOULD get REAL NOW! Meaning that we PUSH HARDER NOW! Let's not let the iron cool!!!!

vivache
09-22-2007, 04:36 AM
Yes .. if people are pumped up now, we have the media looking in, we should push with all we have. No point making this a 5 year Plan.
Let's think 3 months and max mileage/reach.

seahawks
09-22-2007, 04:53 AM
First it wasn't 1000, we had over 2000 people registered and many joined after or did not register. So please don't say 1000, it is extremely painful for everyone who attended to be considered as "not counted".

1. Politically having a rally in D.C makes it more visible for all the law makers there. Laws/amendments and all the political activity happens there. Rallies else where would make it to one or two news cycle but won't be remembered after wards.

2. Meeting lawmakers, staff from various constituents wrapped around an event like a rally helps a lot in getting the message across. It raises a lot of awareness.

3. I would have agreed with you that numbers like 100,000 matters, but after being there and seeing the amazing capabilities of IV to organize meetings and having members meet over 100+ meetings with law makers, staff, talking to to them, sharing personal stories, advertisement and media campaigns around D.C has convinced me that it has and will make a difference! Personally for me, it was an eye opener on how the system works and I totally understood exactly why IV leaders set it up this way just by being around and them for a few days!

sayantan76
09-22-2007, 10:54 AM
First it wasn't 1000, we had over 2000 people registered and many joined after or did not register. So please don't say 1000, it is extremely painful for everyone who attended to be considered as "not counted".

1. Politically having a rally in D.C makes it more visible for all the law makers there. Laws/amendments and all the political activity happens there. Rallies else where would make it to one or two news cycle but won't be remembered after wards.

2. Meeting lawmakers, staff from various constituents wrapped around an event like a rally helps a lot in getting the message across. It raises a lot of awareness.

3. I would have agreed with you that numbers like 100,000 matters, but after being there and seeing the amazing capabilities of IV to organize meetings and having members meet over 100+ meetings with law makers, staff, talking to to them, sharing personal stories, advertisement and media campaigns around D.C has convinced me that it has and will make a difference! Personally for me, it was an eye opener on how the system works and I totally understood exactly why IV leaders set it up this way just by being around and them for a few days!
First it wasn't 1000, we had over 2000 people registered and many joined after or did not register. So please don't say 1000, it is extremely painful for everyone who attended to be considered as "not counted".

Agreed - but as far as the larger public is concerned......if washington post, a local dc mainstream newspaper, says it was 1,000 - the number in public mind is 1,000 (though 10,000 might have participated.....and when lawmakers set their priorities - all they are concerned about is ........


ok - 1,000 folks (none of them voters) are asking me for a comprehensive employment based GC reform......which is a pain in the .......!!

2,000 excited parents (85% of them registered voters) are asking for a new ice skating rink at a local school or residents of a neighborhood (again 65% voters, accounting for immigrants among residents) want a new station on commuter rail line or a new bus route or whatever......all of them easy to achieve.......

and the lawmaker wonders over a cup of decaf latte - what should i focus on......??? to him/ her - the choice is obvious.....and if it is not obvious to us........we should take a reality check.....

It would be a different thing - if 100,000 people do a silent lunch time gathering within the campuses of a revered american company like Cisco or Msoft.......with organizational blessings......people would sit up and listen.....

Personally, I did not attend the DC event because I was travelling on business and to me my perceived benefit (maybe wrong) of rally was not worth postponing an important business trip.......on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............

485_se_dukhi
09-22-2007, 11:41 AM
ok - 1,000 folks (none of them voters) are asking me for a comprehensive employment based GC reform......which is a pain in the .......!!

...

and the lawmaker wonders over a cup of decaf latte - what should i focus on......??? to him/ her - the choice is obvious.....and if it is not obvious to us........we should take a reality check.....


I agree that asking for complicated changes is a pain. But after meeting the lawmakers, I realized that this is the BEST way. Even the lawmakers agree and attest to this.

You are doing a reality check without even being there. Which, let's face it, is not really a reality check. It is more of your opinion and assumption.

Lets also not confuse facts vs opinions. The fact is that meeting lawmakers and educating them about our point of view is the key to this whole GC mess.



Personally, I did not attend the DC event because I was travelling on business and to me my perceived benefit (maybe wrong) of rally was not worth postponing an important business trip.......

Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?

Bringing attention to lawmakers about our plight. Bringing the issue right up to the Capitol. Bringing the issue up for even discussion in the various immigration meetings that are held every other day. Are these benefits not important enough for you?

gsc999
09-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Hi everyone.
I was part of the San Jose rally .. where there were about 300 odd people.
My neighbors had been to the immigration rally in Washington(flew from San Jose) and they said that there were about 1000 people there.

I have been following the immigration issues for sometime .. and I'm not very convinced that such small numbers can make the difference.
I'm not being a pessimist .. appreciate all the efforts that IV core undertakes .. but am totally unconvinced of major immigration changes. Looking at something like CIR being struck down .. after being on television for long and being debated .. I think we should get real.

Thank you
V
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Vivache, thanks for sharing your views.

Spartan King Leonidas and 300 Spartans fought to the last man against Persian King Xerxes and his army of over one million soldiers. Aren't these stories that inspire us and generate admiration about those brave few.

Now, the 300 number at San Jose is incorrect. There were around 400 to 450 people there.

When flower campaign started it was just a few people. They never waited for a large number of people before starting. Others were inspired by their leadership. This effort became huge, even skeptics joined in, smitten by the contagious enthusiasm of rest of the members. Same with San Jose rally. We just had five days to do it, 450 people showed up, that is amazing.

These two small successful events were instrumental in change of July visa bulletin fiasco. This clearly demonstrates that your argument about small numbers can't make a difference is incorrect. We have a past precedent of successful outcome based on a small grassroot effort.

As Andrew Jackson said, "One man with courage makes a majority"
Lets be leaders rather than followers.

On the other hand if you still want larger numbers than join us, we need your help. We have a Nor. Cal yahoo group where you will meet a lot of motivated people. Your neighbor was part of a 35 or so people who flew from California.

PM me and send your phone number if you want to chat. I can explain in more detail.

sayantan76
09-22-2007, 01:20 PM
I agree that asking for complicated changes is a pain. But after meeting the lawmakers, I realized that this is the BEST way. Even the lawmakers agree and attest to this.

You are doing a reality check without even being there. Which, let's face it, is not really a reality check. It is more of your opinion and assumption.

Lets also not confuse facts vs opinions. The fact is that meeting lawmakers and educating them about our point of view is the key to this whole GC mess.




Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?

Bringing attention to lawmakers about our plight. Bringing the issue right up to the Capitol. Bringing the issue up for even discussion in the various immigration meetings that are held every other day. Are these benefits not important enough for you?
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....

""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""


But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......

People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!


Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.

another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........


so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!

just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......

pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate

walking_dude
09-22-2007, 03:10 PM
Let me be objective, as much I can be, here.

....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......




Dear Sir, you didn't attend ,thinking that it was unworthy of postphoning a meeting. And yet you lament not more than 2,000 attended.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such statements.




.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc........who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!




The core issue is the same, back then and today - fight against Injustice, ill-treatment of human beings by Government.

Here's why Gandhi inspires people like me in our struggle.

"BE the change you'd like to see in the World" ( Gandhi's polite way of saying - cribbing doesn't help. Do it yourself, or ....)

He also said - " It's a bigger sin to suffer injustice than committing it" . [ He wasn't appreciative about Do-Nothings. Not at all. He called them the "greater sinners", as their silence encourages even more injustice]

I agree with you on one thing though. Gandhis struggle was bigger than ours. Ours is nothing compared to it - You talk of no "background checks" in Gandhis time... when people used to be beaten on their head for marching peacefully. Many of them would bleed to death. Our struggle may be inspired by Gandhiji, but we will never be able to match the sacrifices made by othose martyrs. We may be inspired by Gandhis principles, but we can never be the Gandhi.

But the least we can do to respect that great man, is to follow some of his principles (like those stated above) in to our daily lives. Is that too much to ask?





Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.


Another of those arm-chair conspiracy theories. Knowledge retention is critical to companys success. A guy fresh out of college is never equivalent a guy with several years of experience in the same field. Dollar value is dropping, Rupee is rising, salaries in India are rising. If people cannot get GC in a short period of time, there would very little incentive in coming and working here. As you must be aware most H1s these days are used to outsource work to India (by Infy and others), and not to get people to work permanently here. I suggest you read the Kauffman report thoroughly to understand the situation.


.....to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........


I admire your gall in dismissing us as shameless, self-serving, unpatriotic liars,in polite words of course , while doing absolutely nothing to help our cause.

Let me put this politely. "Don't do unto others, what you don't want others do unto you". Don't cast aspersions others, if you don't others to cast aspersions on you.


so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!



Dear Sir, what do YOU suggest that we do? You think peaceful rallies won't work. On the one hand, you suggest only disobedience movement will work. On the other, you scare us ,saying if we do that we are in deep-six.

In other words, you'd have us 'Do Nothing At All', and hope that our issues will vanish miraculously by the magic of Harry Potter.

Dear Sir, you deserve a Noble prize for your theories

alterego
09-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Hi everyone.
I was part of the San Jose rally .. where there were about 300 odd people.
My neighbors had been to the immigration rally in Washington(flew from San Jose) and they said that there were about 1000 people there.

I have been following the immigration issues for sometime .. and I'm not very convinced that such small numbers can make the difference.

Silicon Valley has maybe a 100,000 Indian engineers or more. Add families .. and a much higher number. Add Chinese and European immigrants .. and you have all of Silicon valley :)

We should hold a huge rally say in the campus of some company like Cisco .. or Google(who are immigrant friendly) on a work day .. say Friday lunch time .. and have everyone attend.

Being in Cisco .. you can pretty much get all their employees to attend... which is substantial.
Also have industry people talking in favor of better immigration policies.
(we could hold it in some other company or a common area .. anything works)

Unless we can have a substantial number of folks say 10,000 or more .. I don't honestly see too much of a point.
Even if IV collects a few million dollars .. and lobbies .. it will never have the impact of 10000 people protesting.

We need to see if we can have similar rallies ever month in major hubs like New York, Washington, Seattle, Houston.
Unless we have s sustained campaign and we have the numbers .. I personally do not see things really changing.

I see people being optimistic about 300 folks in San Jose rally and 1000 in Washington. But having been to the rally in San Jose I don't see how 3 times that number in Washington is going to cut it. (Read Logiclife's post ... but we still need the numbers !!)

I'm not being a pessimist .. appreciate all the efforts that IV core undertakes .. but am totally unconvinced of major immigration changes. Looking at something like CIR being struck down .. after being on television for long and being debated .. I think we should get real.

Thank you
V

Sounds like a very good idea if you guys can pull it off. I am not sure what is the level of support among American colleagues in Silicon valley, but their presence in significant numbers would make the biggest impact on the observers. I am sure there are those who see the bad in keeping talent out, many times the lack of certain skills needed might end up causing the whole project to be outsourced.
If that makes national news and you are right it would take about 10K or so for that to happen, then our cause is likely to get more visibility.

GreenSeaTurtle
09-22-2007, 05:07 PM
If there was more press coverage on the DC Rally i mean on TV it would bring the matter to the attention of more people. Someone suggested sending pizzas or roses to the media which I second.

If we can bring about a change so that current and future GC seekers don't suffer what scores have suffered till now we are bringing a positive change.

485_se_dukhi
09-22-2007, 08:44 PM
In trying to play the "devil's advocate", you still did not answer my question. i.e. "Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?"


i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).


People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........

I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?

unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!

Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.

You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.


if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??

Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.

My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).

Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.


appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....

""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""


But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......

People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!


Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.

another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........


so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!

just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......

pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate

sapota
09-22-2007, 10:38 PM
The suggestion for multiple simultaneous rallies didnt get pushed before DC rally as it would have possibly diluted DC rally attendance. But It looks like multiple simultaneous rallies will have an huge impact since

-people can travel to their nearest location so more attendance
-simultaneous local media coverage + more national media coverage
-sum of parts greater than the total.

Possible locations -
West Coast - Bay area & Seattle
Midwest - Chicago?
Southwest - Dallas, Austin or Houston
Northeast - NY?
Southeast - Atlanta?

vivache
09-24-2007, 05:30 PM
I read the views .. that talking to lawmakers makes the difference.
I'm a little surprised here.
The long wait for the GC is an age old issue. I know folks who came here in the 80's and 90's and went through the same issues. There were brief periods when the process did speed up .. but by and large it has been the way it is.
Lawmakers can say .. 'oh I did not know it took 7 years to get the green card." But I find that tough to believe that no one knew this until we went and said this to them? (h1 quotas get extinguished in a day .. and everyone knows this ..
The situation is still the same. CIR also puts out there .. the need for Immigration reforms. So pretty much everybody out there knows what the issue is. Now what can we do to make them move on it quickly.

I agree that getting together educated folks is difficult .. since they have no Union (like workers) and are not as close as blue collared folks. And that's the main reason why an illegal immigrant rally can get a million people on the street .. whereas a legal immigrant one gets in a 1000 people or 2000.

To summarize:
1. I think people in concern know that the immigration process is inefficient
2. Unless there is sufficient sustained pressure, nothing can change.

I would say this .. the question is this ... how can we get a huge rally going in key cities in successive weeks, so we get noticed and we can send across a stronger message?

tiinap
09-25-2007, 07:54 PM
I support this idea of a Silicon Valley rally. I also think that for our next rally we first need need some new concept or central idea that will make us heard loud and clear and get even more national attention. I guess we all agree that the next rally shouldn't be simply a repeat of DC in a different location, but in some way take things to the next level.

Our ranks are much smaller than the 12 million illegal immigrants, so we cannot get noticed based on sheer numbers alone. To get attention we need original & effective ideas. Like the flower campaign.

One idea that we could use in our next rally is to ask each participant to come with a sign that reads "Waiting since (year)" where the date is when you first came to the US as a student or H1 or J1. In my case that's 1999 and I'm not even able to get in line for a green card.

alterego
09-25-2007, 08:01 PM
We need 2 ingredients to grab the attention.

1) Starpower addressing the rally. Someone like The google guys, Cisco CEO John Chambers, or Gov. Schwartzenegger.

2) A well attended rally with preferably a mix of affected foreign employees as well as many of their US colleagues.

If you guys can pull that off then, it will quite literally be a very big statement.

vivache
09-25-2007, 08:13 PM
I agree with both the ideas.
In fact the idea of the banner with 'Waiting for X years' is fantastic ..
That would be an amazing sight where everyone holds placards that say since when they have been waiting.
If it's even 400 people .. we have 400 people saying look we've been waiting since 5,7 or 9 years.

It's also important to get in heavyweights like either local folks like Google HR head or any public face. Google has always supported the Immigration issues .. since they have problems because they couldn't hire folks when the h1 lottery happenned.

logiclife
09-25-2007, 08:22 PM
In theory, the idea that a gathering of even 200 people in company's parking lot (Cisco, goolge, microsoft) - IS GREAT.

Immigration Voice has always appreciated efforts of members who get employers involved.

However, I am inclined to believe that company HR will resist such activity on their own premises, especially during business hours or even lunch time. That's because its loss in terms of productivity and distractions for all employees, even those who are US citizens.

BUT...

If someone pulls this off and if there is a gathering to protest green card delays at any of these companies -- Cisco, Oracle, Microsoft, Google, Intel, Amazon...anyone...THEN IV leadership will fly to such an even from wherever they have to fly and attend it at a moments notice (provided your employer allows us in your buildings/premises of course).

Not only that, if you can pull it off, then IV will honor you will a "IMMIGRATION VOICE MEDAL OF HONOR" for doing that. Its a medal with imprint of GC on one side and EAD card on another side. :):)

So if you can, by all means, pursue that opportunity and email me or Aman on how we can help you do that. Microsoft has 3500 employees in green card wait line in Seattle alone. Cisco is also hundreds of employees in San Jose alone (and Cisco employees is one of my favorite groups of people in IV, they have shown up every where IV has done anything...must be something in the water out there in the bay area, its a land of activists...).

Thanks.

franklin
09-25-2007, 08:25 PM
I love how the majority of these "new" ideas are coming from people who didn't attend either rallies!

Good to see we have sparked some forward motion with more people becoming engaged

In reality, a few of the suggestions were carried out both in San Jose and in DC.

vivache
09-25-2007, 08:51 PM
I agree .. again :) .. that companies may not be too excited about the employees taking off for a few hours.

Can't we have something potent:
Say we have a page on IV that lists all the members with names, GC applied on, wait time to date, company working for. Accompanied by any info that makes this look authentic like SRC number .. or something (need not be displayed, but can be in database).

We could then get some graphs and statistics based on these figures and pass it on to lawmakers, other people who need to be influenced.
This way we have all teh facts .. rather than arbitrary data like:
"Today the system takes anywhere between 6-12 years to grant Green cards to some of the best and brightest of the world who have chosen America as their future home."

gsc999
09-25-2007, 10:15 PM
I agree with both the ideas.
In fact the idea of the banner with 'Waiting for X years' is fantastic ..
That would be an amazing sight where everyone holds placards that say since when they have been waiting.
If it's even 400 people .. we have 400 people saying look we've been waiting since 5,7 or 9 years.

It's also important to get in heavyweights like either local folks like Google HR head or any public face. Google has always supported the Immigration issues .. since they have problems because they couldn't hire folks when the h1 lottery happenned.
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vivache,

Thanks for the good ideas.

Can you PM me your ph# so we can chat. It would be great if you can take on this action item of organizing rally at the company campus you work for, it is pretty respectable company and I know this because I cover the semiconductor space. I think your example will inspire others to conduct a similar event at their campuses.

Please let me know what help you need from me.

vivache
09-25-2007, 10:25 PM
sure .. have sent you a pm